Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 11:29:03 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >> On 26 Oct 2023, at 1:48 pm, Timothy Sipples wrote: >> Jon Perryman wrote: >>> Googles cloud backup/recovery is very different from IBM z/OS >> You headed off on a tangent here that I don’t think I encouraged. I’m not >> sure what

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On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:52:26 +0300, Arye Shemer wrote: >For several reasons (I am not allowed to disclose and.not entirely >agreed by our side) all rejected by this specific customer. I've been thinking about this some more, and there may be a solution acceptable to the customer, on the

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Sebastian Welton wrote: >Out of interest then, how do you get around the various data privacy rules such >as GDPR which may not allow storage of certain data outside of a certain >sphere? If AWS or

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On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 05:13:38 +, Timothy Sipples wrote: >I wrote: >> IBM Cloud Tape Connector for z/OS > >David Crayford wrote: >>That�s one of our products. Our team was only talking about >>it this week. One of the team had just returned from customer >>visits in SE Asia and quite a few

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I wrote: > IBM Cloud Tape Connector for z/OS David Crayford wrote: >That’s one of our products. Our team was only talking about >it this week. One of the team had just returned from customer >visits in SE Asia and quite a few muti-national banks are using >CTC so they can recover to data centers

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> On 26 Oct 2023, at 1:48 pm, Timothy Sipples wrote: > > Jon Perryman wrote: >> Googles cloud backup/recovery is very different from IBM z/OS > > You headed off on a tangent here that I don’t think I encouraged. I’m not > sure what you’re referring to. As usual! > >> No IBM z system has

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Jon Perryman wrote: >One very important detail I did not mention is the location of your data >in the cloud. You may connect to a cloud location thinking that is where >it will be stored. In order to be more efficient, some clouds may redirect >your request to a closer location. Potentially the

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On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 19:15:06 +, Jousma, David wrote: >So the issue of using public cloud storage is a question you have to answer >for yourself. > “How quickly do I need to be able to restore?” If its TB of data, streaming > in at network speed, > that could be days or weeks. Will

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It is based on the Amazon Rest API. It is not a product, just a solution we use here for testing and also runs on our appliances. You can follow the Amazon manual about the API. ITschak *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security

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On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 21:27:10 +0300, Itschak Mugzach wrote: > We backup our servers to Amazon S3 and wrong the protocols > ourselves, so it is possible. Hi Itschak, Can you give a very short overview of how your solution works. Which cloud API's you used? Is it z/OS, z/VM or z/VSE? Is it

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On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 06:23:25 +, Timothy Sipples wrote: >Jon Perryman wrote: >> Since there are lots of reasons, can you name 3 beyond those I mentioned? >> (backup to cloud) >How about everything else works this way (including z/OS), Googles cloud backup/recovery is very different from

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| Director, Technology Engineering From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Itschak Mugzach <0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Date: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 2:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the

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Mike, If you use S3, you can specify which zone to use. BTW, I think Amazon has a new local zone in Israel, but I think the requirement Arie put was outside of Israel. We backup our servers to Amazon S3 and wrong the protocols ourselves, so it is possible. ITschak *| **Itschak Mugzach |

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Most clouds store data in the nearest facility for reduced read write time. Some clouds replicate to other sites. Have been outages when a cloud site went down and the data was not available. 2022 Google outage when a fire occured.

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On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:08:20 +0300, Arye Shemer wrote: > one of the most important reason is the >time frame that should be immediately (preferably tomorrow :-) ). One very important detail I did not mention is the location of your data in the cloud. You may connect to a cloud location

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Thank you Jon, I will convey your suggestions to the customer and talk with them to see how it fits their needs. Arye Shemer On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 1:32 AM Jon Perryman wrote: > On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:52:26 +0300, Arye Shemer > wrote: > > >the standard existing backup policies (ex: taking

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Hi, As mentioned in my previous posts I do not have permission to disclose customer reasons, *but *I'll let myself state that one of the most important reason is the time frame that should be immediately (preferably tomorrow :-) ). Regards, Arye Shemer. On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:55 PM Jon

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Jon Perryman wrote: > Since there are lots of reasons, can you name 3 beyond those >I mentioned? "Save money? Offsite backup? It's new technology? >Don't need to worry because it's the cloud? They want to say they >are cloud enabled?" How about everything else works this way (including z/OS),

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On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:52:26 +0300, Arye Shemer wrote: >the standard existing backup policies (ex: taking copies to another remote >site in this country) are not sufficient. >Hence the idea of backup to another geographical (cloud) area is raised. I believe you are saying that you want offsite

Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 04:38:40 +, Timothy Sipples wrote: >> Why would anyone want to do z/VM backups to a cloud? >There are lots of great reasons to do that! Since there are lots of reasons, can you name 3 beyond those I mentioned? "Save money? Offsite backup? It's new technology? Don't

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Due to the situation in our country, some of the organization managements (and risk management) think (?) that the standard existing backup policies (ex: taking copies to another remote site in this country) are not sufficient. Hence the idea of backup to another geographical (cloud) area is

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Jon Perryman wrote: > Why would anyone want to do z/VM backups to a cloud? There are lots of great reasons to do that! Also, I understood the request to mean “cloud object storage” as the target. Cloud object storage can technically reside anywhere. Public commercial clouds’ object storage

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On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 16:19:20 +0300, Arye Shemer wrote: >Only a solution built on software running in z/VM would be accepted by the >customer. Why has your customer decided z/VM backup via the cloud? Save money? Offsite backup? It's new technology? Don't need to worry because it's the cloud?

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On Behalf Of Arye Shemer Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 9:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ? Hello Timothy, TS7700 baby, z/OS LPAR (or guest) and even Linux were introduced and offered to the customer but completely rejected

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Arie, Assuming your client agrees to use Amazon s3 bucket, they can develop their own rest api calls. The Amazon SDK is recommended, but not a requirement. At end, it is just a rest api. All sequence. Google for "developing with Amazon s3 using rest api" ITschak בתאריך יום ב׳, 23 באוק׳ 2023

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Hello Timothy, TS7700 baby, z/OS LPAR (or guest) and even Linux were introduced and offered to the customer but completely rejected Only a solution built on software running in z/VM would be accepted by the customer. Thank you all for the suggestions and help, Best Regards, Arye Shemer On Mon,

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I’m not aware of any pure software-based option from IBM or any other vendor that fits your/their description. However, IBM fairly recently introduced a “baby” TS7700 model that’s customer rack mounted. If they’re concerned about consuming another whole frame footprint it’s not that big. And

Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 14:02:39 -0500, Jon Perryman wrote: >Out of curiosity, what software is missing from z/VM that is a showstopper? The answer is "no" because z/VM DFSMS/rms, which provides the control point for tape libraries, does not provide the ability for applications to specify or

Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 08:17:43 +0300, Arye Shemer wrote: >we thought about this solution (TS7700), but customer requirements > are: solution must be software in the z/VM environment (no z/OS or other > guests), Out of curiosity, what software is missing from z/VM that is a showstopper?

Re: Does z/VM have a product/tool which can send backup to the Cloud ?

Thank you Timothy, we thought about this solution, but customer requirements are: solution must be software in the z/VM environment (no z/OS or other guests), Regards, Arye Shemer On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 9:18 AM Timothy Sipples wrote: > Arye Shemer asked: > > Does z/VM have a product/tool of

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Arye Shemer asked: > Does z/VM have a product/tool of any vendor which can send backups to the >Cloud (*no z/OS involvement*)? The IBM TS7700 can handle that via its Cloud Storage Tier feature. Details here: https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/redp5573.html For example, you can run your