Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-24 Thread Martin Packer
/MartinPacker From: Jon Butler butl...@us.ibm.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 07/24/2012 07:24 PM Subject: Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu There was a 3090-180J uni that was rated at 23.5. The 3090-300J (3+3

Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-22 Thread Timothy Sipples
Mike Ward writes: This is one area where I really have a problem. It used to be back in the 370 days that if a machine was rated at 50 mips and you moved up to 100 mips you really noticed the difference in execution time I know I'm on a rant Was there even a 100 MIPS uniprocessor model in

Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-20 Thread Ward, Mike S
This is one area where I really have a problem. It used to be back in the 370 days that if a machine was rated at 50 mips and you moved up to 100 mips you really noticed the difference in execution time. Today if you have a 100 mip machine (I know they're rated at msu's not mips) and you moved

Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-20 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
mw...@ssfcu.org (Ward, Mike S) writes: This is one area where I really have a problem. It used to be back in the 370 days that if a machine was rated at 50 mips and you moved up to 100 mips you really noticed the difference in execution time. Today if you have a 100 mip machine (I know they're

Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-20 Thread Ward, Mike S
, 2012 11:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question mw...@ssfcu.org (Ward, Mike S) writes: This is one area where I really have a problem. It used to be back in the 370 days that if a machine was rated at 50 mips and you moved up to 100 mips you really

Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-19 Thread Dave Barry
: Help with elementary CPU speed question On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:47:13 -0400, Dave Barry wrote: In theory, you divide the rated SU/second by the number of processors giving SUs/processor/second, adjusting for MP effect overhead. No, the SU/second is called the SRM constant and it is used to convert

Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c21e5c49...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com, on 07/17/2012 at 12:04 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com said: t SHOULD NOT be necessary to have considerable statistical prowess or have access to DCOLLECT output (which most normal application

Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-18 Thread John Gilmore
Another problem with Peter Farley's formulation of this issue is his use of the phrase normally skilled professional application programmer. The question just what skills such a person should have is controversial. The question what skills they do in fact usually have is less so. A great figure

Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-18 Thread Hal Merritt
Short answer: most likely not. Slightly longer answer: although all CPU's wait at the same speed, they vary in most everything else. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-18 Thread Charles Mills
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question As has been pointed out, there are many IBM tools such as zPCR that you can download to help with this exercise. The tools require either a good estimate or RMF data from the LPARs to give you an accurate

Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-18 Thread Finch, Steve (ES - Mainframe)
Steve Finch -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 2:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question Jon, thanks for the thoughtful reply

Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-18 Thread Chris Mason
Steve For my sins, I started work in an industrial research laboratory. One time the laboratory was having some sort of open day[1] and one of my colleagues had a printed card announcing the rate of migration of chlorine ions through magnetite which must have had some bearing upon the

Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-17 Thread Rob Scott
Charles How many It depends.. answers do you want? :-) If all the program does is increment a register in a tight loop then I would imagine that your assumption would be roughly OK. If it does anything more complicated (eg open a dataset, maybe call a system routine, DB2 subsystem, XCF

Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-17 Thread John Gilmore
Rob Scott has pointed you in the right direction. Worth emphasizing is that CP-SU ratios are most useful for botionally 'scientific' , CP-intensive applications. Many 'business' applications are I/O-bound, some of them--MFUs are the classic example--to the extent that shrinking CP processing to

Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-17 Thread Charles Mills
Lizette, thanks, you're always helpful. Answers in line below. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Help with elementary

Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-17 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
17, 2012 11:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question Rob Scott has pointed you in the right direction. Worth emphasizing is that CP-SU ratios are most useful for botionally 'scientific' , CP-intensive applications. Many 'business' applications are I

Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question

2012-07-17 Thread Charles Mills
. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Help with elementary CPU speed question Rob Scott has pointed you in the right direction