Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-14 Thread Charles Mills
+1 Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) As a Californian, I have a special

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > behalf of Tony Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 4:13 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) > > > Wait - is

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-14 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > behalf of Tony Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 4:13 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) > > > Wait - is bottom-posting a

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
marc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 11:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 21:42:00 -0600, Grant Taylor wrote: >... >Notice how you can clearly see what was your comment, and how my >responses direct

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 21:42:00 -0600, Grant Taylor wrote: >... >Notice how you can clearly see what was your comment, and how my >responses directly relate to parts of your comment? > But only if your MUA distingushes quoted material. Am I a Luddite for eschewing HTML coloring (and even

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
: Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) Old WP users, among whom I count myself, mourn the loss of reveal-codes mode. When my company switched from WP to Word (which I still think was largely my fault), I judged that Word

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Grant Taylor
On 6/13/20 11:46 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: Wait - is bottom-posting a thing? Yes! Very MUCH so! I've always assumed that bottom-posters are just careless; they read down to a certain point, and then type in their responses without thinking about where. I'm sure there are some that are as

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Bob Bridges
Yes, they do sometimes. I got into the habit of cleaning up emails before replying to them: removing signatures, some of the headers (but always leaving the From and Date lines), sometimes even some of the content, as some of us do here. But I had a boss recently who objects strenuously to that

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Bob Bridges
Old WP users, among whom I count myself, mourn the loss of reveal-codes mode. When my company switched from WP to Word (which I still think was largely my fault), I judged that Word was easier to use for the easy things - italics and bold at keystroke, for instance - but harder to control for the

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Bob Bridges
Initials>, really? I didn't know anyone else does that. My best friend in high school moved to another state, and we started writing long letters to each other, swapping a little news but mostly debating religion. (He'd become an agnostic at about the time I became a religious fanatic.) When

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 22:07:05 -0400, Tony Thigpen wrote: >And, I have worked for companies that required you to leave all the >previous emails being quoted. > That's what archives are for. That's what "In-Reply-To:" headers are for. A companiy having such a concern should provide a viewer that

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Tony Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 10:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) The point being that they were using a standard

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Tony Thigpen
Thigpen [t...@vse2pdf.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 4:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) > Wait - is bottom-posting a thing? YES! The old newsgroup specification said bottom-posting was required. Back when I started using Thunderbird as an

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Tony Thigpen
: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) I'm no fan of Outlook, but top-posting doesn't bother me either. When it's necessary to address points, I say, see below. At least Outlook has HTML, so I generally change the font/color of my interleaved responses. Oh well. Fir

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
, June 13, 2020 9:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) I'm kind of rabid about including options in the programs I write, pretty much any option I can think might be useful if it isn't too hard to write in. How can ~I~ know what the user will find

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Bob Bridges
I'm kind of rabid about including options in the programs I write, pretty much any option I can think might be useful if it isn't too hard to write in. How can ~I~ know what the user will find useful? So if I can ask, that's great, but sometimes it's not possible. Maybe Microsoft overdoes it

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
pdf.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 4:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) > Wait - is bottom-posting a thing? YES! The old newsgroup specification said bottom-posting was required. Back when I started using Thunderbird as an email client (a

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
u/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 1:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) Wait - is bottom-posting a thing? I'

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
, June 13, 2020 1:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) I'm no fan of Outlook, but top-posting doesn't bother me either. When it's necessary to address points, I say, see below. At least Outlook has HTML, so I generally change the font/color

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
st [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 1:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) What is it with tech bulletin boards and the fuss about top-posting? I will bet I have gotten tens

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Seymour J Metz
M$ lookout automatically does top quoting and manually doing correct quoting is awkward. Gmail has similar issues. Legal disclaimers are normally appended by mail servers and the user has no control over them. The solution is to use a personal e-mail account, but some organizations prohibit

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
Le 13/06/2020 à 22:13, Tony Thigpen a écrit : >> Wait - is bottom-posting a thing? > Also, back in those days, it was clearly pointed out to the developers > that their "so called" standard was for newsgroups, not email but they > were stuck deep in their "we know what is right" mode. They also

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Tony Thigpen
> Wait - is bottom-posting a thing? YES! The old newsgroup specification said bottom-posting was required. Back when I started using Thunderbird as an email client (around 2002?), TB forced you to bottom-post and it took a special hidden option to allow top-posting. And, it did not really

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 10:21:19AM -0700, Charles Mills wrote: > What is it with tech bulletin boards and the fuss about top-posting? > I will bet I have gotten tens of thousands of business e-mail > replies in my life and every single one of them was "top-posted." Business: building roads too

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Jackson, Rob
First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 1:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) [External Email. Exercise caution wh

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2020-06-13, at 11:21:19, Charles Mills wrote: > > What is it with tech bulletin boards and the fuss about top-posting? > In some part tradition. > I will bet I have gotten tens of thousands of business e-mail replies in my > life and every single one of them was "top-posted." > > What is

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On Jun 13, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: > > Wait - is bottom-posting a thing? I've always assumed that bottom-posters > are just careless; they read down to a certain point, and then type in their > responses without thinking about where. Are you saying that some people post > at

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Bob Bridges
Wait - is bottom-posting a thing? I've always assumed that bottom-posters are just careless; they read down to a certain point, and then type in their responses without thinking about where. Are you saying that some people post at the bottom ON PURPOSE?! Why, for heaven's sake? --- Bob

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Jackson, Rob
Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 1:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... ) [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] What is it with tech

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Jackson, Rob
Outlook or OWA is required; access to private email service is blocked while on the network. Top-posting isn't enforced. Didn't you see my awesome manual job? I could edit quoted text. I cannot control the legal disclaimer; that's added after it leaves the Outbox. It's all audit; don't

Re: Quote style (was: ... Passive FTP ... )

2020-06-13 Thread Charles Mills
What is it with tech bulletin boards and the fuss about top-posting? I will bet I have gotten tens of thousands of business e-mail replies in my life and every single one of them was "top-posted." What is it about tech bulletin boards where folks seem to want the most relevant stuff -- the