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Carmen Vitullo
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 17:12:47 -0800, Charles Mills
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 17:12:47 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>Should be called "Why Doctors Should Hate Local Time."
>
So many things to go wrong.
Late one week a while ago, I got an E-invitation to a meeting early the
next week which showed both local time and GMT. They disagreed by
one hour,
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 17:12:47 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>Should be called "Why Doctors Should Hate Local Time."
>
Particularly for health care centers whose networks span time zones.
This could be only a few years old; how could the designers be so
ignorant about a long-solved problem?
The DB
Should be called "Why Doctors Should Hate Local Time."
Charles
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On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 13:10:03 -0600, Carmen Vitullo wrote:
>has anyone used the Sysplex timer option to automatically switch time zones?
>...
>
From:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/11/12/why-doctors-hate-their-computers
...
Last fall, the night before daylight-saving time ended,
On 8/11/2018 3:06 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:19:43 +1100, Andrew Rowley wrote:
This means that (if your system follows the rules for DST changes) ...
Why should any system choose *not* to "follow the rules"?
z/OS has a weird culture.
I guess some sites change times
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:19:43 +1100, Andrew Rowley wrote:
>
>This means that (if your system follows the rules for DST changes) ...
>
Why should any system choose *not* to "follow the rules"?
z/OS has a weird culture.
>... you can apply a timezone to local time values and use the built in Java
On 7/11/2018 10:17 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
You're right of course. I still stand by my assertion that most of the formats
are stupid, and the standard SMF format is no prize-winner. Milliseconds (or
even microseconds) since the start of some era would have fit conveniently in
64 bits, would
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 15:17:00 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>You're right of course. I still stand by my assertion that most of the formats
>are stupid, and the standard SMF format is no prize-winner. Milliseconds (or
>even microseconds) since the start of some era would have fit conveniently in
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 14:21:26 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>Frankly, most are stupid. Many are just some programmer's bright but
>thoughtless idea. The &qu
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 14:21:26 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>Frankly, most are stupid. Many are just some programmer's bright but
>thoughtless idea. The "standard" SMF timestamp (seconds * 100)||0cyydddF takes
>up just as much room as an STCK, has much less precision, and as originally
>designed
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:47:53 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>Yeah John, &
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:47:53 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>Yeah John, "standard" SMF timestamps are in local time. Sigh.
>
So the last possible value before midnight last Sunday would have
been 899 (25 hours minus 0.01 seconds)? Can anyone verify?
>I have documented TWENTY-FIVE (really!)
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John,
Where does SMF use UTC? Most times are recorded as 'TIME SINC
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Syncsort, Inc.
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What makes you think that either (a) Db2
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 13:01:49 -0500, John Eells wrote:
>
>What makes you think that either (a) Db2 is broken or (b) SMF does not
>use UTC?
>
A couple contributors to this thread reported problems. But they subsequently
clarified that the problems are in user code, not DB2 or SMF.
Does TIME TZ=LT
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Helps keep your operators from nodding off at oh-dark-thirty. ;-)
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Southern California Edison Company
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We do a one hour moratorium as well. No IPL; just bring down CICS regions and
don't run any
Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 08:39:38 -0500, Carmen Vitullo wrote:
Thanks Mike and thanks to Allan Staller, I didn't see his response in my email
but I wanted to thank him also - on fall back we do shut the systems down, wait
an hour, mostly due to DB2, and some home grown
ime). Why bother just to get back
one hour per year? That's my philosophy, anyway.
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 10:26:57 -0500, Phil Smith III wrote:
>Re moving the DST dates: we have a "smart" clock that does DST automatically,
>to save you the hassle. However, there's no way to disable that, so since they
>moved the dates, it means we now get to reset it *four* times a year. Lovely.
Nice ! :)
Carmen Vitullo
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Here is my $0.02 on Time Change:
https://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2017/
AM
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 08:39:38 -0500, Carmen Vitullo wrote:
>Thanks Mike and thanks to Allan Staller, I didn't see his response in my email
>but I wanted to thank him also - on fall back we do shut the systems down,
>wait an hour, mostly due to
Gilmartin
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 08:39:38 -0500, Carmen Vitullo wrote:
>Thanks Mike and thanks to Allan Staller, I didn't see his response in my email
>but I wanted to thank him also - o
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 08:39:38 -0500, Carmen Vitullo wrote:
>Thanks Mike and thanks to Allan Staller, I didn't see his response in my email
>but I wanted to thank him also - on fall back we do shut the systems down,
>wait an hour, mostly due to DB2, and some home grown applications that read
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Re moving the DST dates: we have a "smart" clock that does DST automatically,
to save you the hassl
Re moving the DST dates: we have a "smart" clock that does DST automatically,
to save you the hassle. However, there's no way to disable that, so since they
moved the dates, it means we now get to reset it *four* times a year. Lovely. I
assume they didn't sell it in AZ and parts of IN :)
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Sorry
perpetuate the old behavior.
HTH,
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Carmen Vitullo
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Thanks Mike and thanks to Allan Staller, I didn't see his resp
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Carmen, you don’t mention it, but are you running with your system clocks at
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Thanks Mike and thanks to Allan Staller, I didn't see his
but I had to vent... thanks again
all
Carmen Vitullo
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From: "Mike Schwab"
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Whatever abbreviations you put in will be displayed. And it
On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:05:36 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote:
>Whatever abbreviations you put in will be displayed. And it does work
>for Australia and other Down Under locations.
>
In Linux, I can:
507 $ TZ=Zulu date; TZ=Australia/Canberra date
Tue Nov 6 01:53:51 UTC 2018
Tue Nov 6
Whatever abbreviations you put in will be displayed. And it does work
for Australia and other Down Under locations.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:11 PM Paul Gilmartin
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> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:49:01 -0500, Carmen Vitullo wrote:
>
> >I remember
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> > We've us
On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:32:58 -0800, Tom Brennan wrote:
>I always thought Spring Forward and Fall Back were not the greatest way
>to remember which way to move the clock. I mean, I could just as easily
>trip and Fall Forward, or Spring Back if I get scared.
>
Like many mnemonics this relies more
: Monday, November 05, 2018 11:37 AM
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We've used 'sysplex timer' exclusively to control time zone since the days of
9037 in the mid-90s. It's now STP (Server Time Protocol), no longer an external
gizmo but optional
Works great. However, everyone here has colde feet and insists on a 1 hour
moratorium.
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Carmen Vitullo
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has anyone
November 5, 2018 2:29:13 PM
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I'm myself am not sure and I am still researching this option.
Carmen Vitullo
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I'm myself am not sure and I am still researching this option.
Carmen Vitullo
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On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:49:01 -0500, Carmen Vitullo wrote:
>I remember the external timers well, and the limitations, this is the first
>place I've been at for a long time that requires an IPL or for US to perform
>the IPL. I'm trying to get them into 21st century, scratching and crawling.
>
>
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We've used 'sysplex timer' exclusively to control time zone since the days of
9037 in the mid-90s. It's now STP (Server Time Protocol), no longer an external
gizmo but optional hardware in the CEC.
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We've used 'sysplex timer' exclusively to control time zone since the days of
9037 in the mid-90s. It's
We've used 'sysplex timer' exclusively to control time zone since the days of
9037 in the mid-90s. It's now STP (Server Time Protocol), no longer an external
gizmo but optional hardware in the CEC.
The 9037's biggest limitation was that it had to be (re)programmed for each
time change, so you
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