On 6/21/2011 11:30 AM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
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Actually, it seems that the conference rates at IETF hotels are quite
predictable: a couple of months ago it was possible to book a room at
the QC Hilton for $176 CAD/night _during the IETF meeting_; if you check
the Hilton Web site right now,
On Jun 21, 2011, at 1:31 AM, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote:
On Jun 21, 2011, at 06:30 , Joel Jaeggli wrote:
It has been repeated ad-nausieum that conference rates subsidize the
rental of the meeting room block... The fact that the conference rates are
more expensive ( on a contract signed 24
On Jun 20, 2011, at 11:16 PM, Glen Zorn wrote:
On 6/21/2011 11:30 AM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
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Actually, it seems that the conference rates at IETF hotels are quite
predictable: a couple of months ago it was possible to book a room at
the QC Hilton for $176 CAD/night _during the IETF
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On 6/21/2011 1:16 PM, Glen Zorn wrote:
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please look at the balance sheet here:
http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/Meeting-Financials-2010-77.pdf
and note both the hotel commission, a credit, and the zero charge associated
with meeting rooms.
On 6/21/2011 1:48 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
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Which you are qualified to asses on the basis of you long experience in
meeting booking...
As a matter of fact, yes.
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On Jun 21, 2011, at 12:00 AM, Glen Zorn wrote:
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On 6/21/2011 1:16 PM, Glen Zorn wrote:
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please look at the balance sheet here:
http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/Meeting-Financials-2010-77.pdf
and note both the hotel commission, a
I agree with Thomas, the meeting fees should cover the meetings and the
hotel bill should cover only an individual's room. This would be more
transparent!
Please feel free to take this as criticism (of the current fee
distribution policy).
Lou
On 6/21/2011 1:31 AM, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote:
+1
And aware this might mean a sizeable hike in meeting fees.
The *only* wrinkle I can see is that it might be considered useful for a hotel
to block out a number of rooms for booking exclusively by IETF participants, and
the hotel might want to increase the price for that service (because it is
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Subject: Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't exorbitant?
Exactly. Given that we spend most of our days in
From: Thomas Heide Clausen [i...@thomasclausen.org]
For some of us, getting reimbursed for a higher meeting fee is
actually a lot easier than getting reimbursed for a higher
hotel-fee. Such would be the case when, for example, traveling on a
fixed per-diem intended for covering
On 19/06/2011 08:01, Glen Zorn wrote:
On 6/18/2011 9:52 PM, Keith Moore wrote:
Frankly, I'm appalled at the prices and think it's highly inappropriate for
IETF to be meeting in venues where the conference hotels are so
expensive.
May I point out that there has been a survey on the topic and
But that was then and now is now 8-. One could simply say suck it up.
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On Jun 19, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:
On 19/06/2011 08:01, Glen Zorn wrote:
On 6/18/2011 9:52 PM, Keith Moore wrote:
Frankly, I'm appalled at the prices and think it's highly inappropriate for
IETF to be meeting in venues where the conference hotels are so
expensive.
May I
Keith,
Here is the tradeoff:
The community has expressed a strong preference for one-roof venues
[which often translates to convention center + hotel next door in our
case] in a city setting (City West and Maastricht being non-examples).
This leads to (generally speaking):
* Somewhat
BTW, I found that like with many previous IETF meetings, if you call
your local travel department, they can often get far cheaper rates for the
rooms at the hotel. For some reason, the IETF negotiates rates that seem to
be MSRP. For this one, for example, I got something like a %40
Ole == Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com writes:
Ole Here is the tradeoff:
Ole The community has expressed a strong preference for one-roof
Ole venues [which often translates to convention center + hotel
Ole next door in our case] in a city setting (City West and
Ole Maastricht
On 2011-06-20 13:32, Michael Richardson wrote:
I'm staying at Laval University resident for $61/night. Hotwire did
find a few places equal in distance for ~$108, but the trip was harder
in my opinion. I might bring my folding bike, or not (I'm coming by
train). There are apparently dozens
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It's a peak season destination. We seem to do this a lot.
March would be no better, but early November there would be, I
think, low peak.
What's a non-peak destination for July?
Phoenix. Probably
Exactly. Given that we spend most of our days in air conditioned meeting
rooms, Phoenix or Dallas are not bad choices. Dallas is slightly better due
to air connections. Houston is not a good choice under any circumstance
IMHO - I don't think A/C can remove enough humidity to make it comfortable
Same in my case!
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Subject: Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 02:02:24PM -0500, Mary Barnes wrote:
rooms, Phoenix or Dallas are not bad choices. Dallas is slightly better due
to air connections. Houston is not a good choice under any circumstance
Speaking only for myself, I will note that the worst IETF experience I
ever had was
At 3:55 AM +0200 6/20/11, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:
May I point out that there has been a survey on the topic and the community
expressed a clear preference for Quebec over other Canadian cities, knowing
that travel would be longer and the number of cheap alternative hotels
smaller.
My
On 21/06/2011 03:24, Randall Gellens wrote:
At 3:55 AM +0200 6/20/11, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:
May I point out that there has been a survey on the topic and the community
expressed a clear preference for Quebec over other Canadian cities, knowing
that travel would be longer and the number
Vancouver is pretty expensive in summer. Can be twice the rate of November.
Weather.
Stephan
S.
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On Jun 20, 2011, at 21:49, Henk Uijterwaal henk.uijterw...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21/06/2011 03:24, Randall Gellens wrote:
At 3:55 AM +0200 6/20/11, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:
May I
On 6/20/2011 11:54 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
Keith,
Here is the tradeoff:
The community has expressed a strong preference for one-roof venues
[which often translates to convention center + hotel next door in our
case] in a city setting (City West and Maastricht being non-examples).
On 6/21/2011 2:02 AM, Mary Barnes wrote:
Exactly. Given that we spend most of our days in air conditioned
meeting rooms, Phoenix or Dallas are not bad choices. Dallas is slightly
better due to air connections. Houston is not a good choice under any
circumstance IMHO - I don't think A/C can
On 6/21/2011 3:14 AM, Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon) wrote:
Same in my case!
So why is that the case? The IAOC is virtually guaranteeing a a
sold-out hotel the week of the IETF meeting, a thing that has not
inconsiderable value in the hospitality. How can they possibly not do
better?
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Subject: Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't exorbitant?
What's a non-peak
On Jun 20, 2011, at 9:00 PM, Glen Zorn wrote:
On 6/20/2011 11:54 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
Keith,
Here is the tradeoff:
The community has expressed a strong preference for one-roof venues
[which often translates to convention center + hotel next door in our
case] in a city setting
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Randall Gellens
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 6:25 PM
To: Henk Uijterwaal; ietf@ietf.org
Cc: Dave Crocker
Subject: Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't exorbitant?
My
Thanks to those who replied with suggestions for accommodations.
Keith
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On 21/06/2011 06:31, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
How is travel significantly more difficult to Quebec City? It's one plane
change from most US and Canadian points of origin that I checked, or even
direct if you're close enough.
If you look at the number of cities served by direct flights from
Why is this being discussed here? Logistics about Quebec and how to
get there should be discussed on 81attendees.
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/81attendees
In message 4e00239f.4030...@gmail.com, Henk Uijterwaal writes:
On 21/06/2011 06:31, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
How is
Why is this being discussed here? Logistics about Quebec and how to
get there should be discussed on 81attendees.
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/81attendees
The archive link on that page is 404. Has anyone ever posted a
message to that list?
On Jun 21, 2011, at 06:30 , Joel Jaeggli wrote:
It has been repeated ad-nausieum that conference rates subsidize the rental
of the meeting room block... The fact that the conference rates are more
expensive ( on a contract signed 24 months out) than a spot check of the room
rate at any
On 6/18/2011 9:52 PM, Keith Moore wrote:
Frankly, I'm appalled at the prices and think it's highly inappropriate for
IETF to be meeting in venues where the conference hotels are so expensive.
Don't get me started on the negotiating skills of the IAOC. More to
the point, there are a lot of
Frankly, I'm appalled at the prices and think it's highly inappropriate for
IETF to be meeting in venues where the conference hotels are so expensive.
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I'm staying in the Delta for $209. That doesn't seem out of line to
me.
People who are very price sensitive can stay in the Laval university
dorms for $52/night. I know people who've stayed there for a
conference in the convention centre and said that it was fine. It's
too far to walk, so you
Chateau Laurier $135 via booking.com
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