Re: IETF jabber room histories (Re: Virtual Water Coolers)

2011-10-31 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
In XMPP chatrooms, there are two separate things: 1. Room history. This is the messages that show up in your IM client when you join the room. 2. Chat logs. These are archived to a website somewhere and live there forever. In this conversation, we're talking about room history, not chat logs. O

Re: IETF jabber room histories (Re: Virtual Water Coolers)

2011-10-31 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Scott, Yes, of course you are right. Brian On 2011-11-01 10:00, Scott O. Bradner wrote: > the audio of sessions is recorded & (I assume) not destroyed before the next > meeting - why should the > jabber record be secret (by the process of removal) - why not dump the old > logs in a place

Re: IETF jabber room histories (Re: Virtual Water Coolers)

2011-10-31 Thread Dave Cridland
On Mon Oct 31 20:07:54 2011, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2011-10-31 23:18, Dave Cridland wrote: > That said, I think our existing chatrooms are configured not to have history - presumably to avoid confusing when they're only used for three single weeks throughout the year. Indeed. This is

Re: IETF jabber room histories (Re: Virtual Water Coolers)

2011-10-31 Thread Doug Barton
On 10/31/2011 13:07, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > I think all the rooms at jabber.ietf.org should have history enabled, but > cleared > out just prior to each meeting. +1 -- Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much. -- OK Go Breadth of IT ex

IETF jabber room histories (Re: Virtual Water Coolers)

2011-10-31 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2011-10-31 23:18, Dave Cridland wrote: > That said, I think our existing chatrooms are configured not to have history > - presumably to avoid confusing when they're only used for three single weeks > throughout the year. Indeed. This is a major annoyance when joining a session late or catch

Re: Virtual Water Coolers

2011-10-31 Thread Dave Cridland
On Fri Oct 28 21:50:40 2011, Brian E Carpenter wrote: There's a reason we use email here. It's called time zones. Jabber doesn't work when people are spread across all time zones. There are forum-style mechanisms that also avoid the time zone problem, but I've never found them as convenient as t

Re: Virtual Water Coolers

2011-10-28 Thread Brian E Carpenter
There's a reason we use email here. It's called time zones. Jabber doesn't work when people are spread across all time zones. There are forum-style mechanisms that also avoid the time zone problem, but I've never found them as convenient as threaded email. Brian (Saturday morning, 10:50 a.m) On

Re: Virtual Water Coolers

2011-10-28 Thread Dave Cridland
On Fri Oct 28 15:48:50 2011, Richard L. Barnes wrote: Cool idea. I would hang out if other people did. There are 5 people in hall...@jabber.ietf.org now. Hardly a critical mass, but it may be sufficient to count as "other people", at least. +1 to using protocols other than email for epheme

Re: Virtual Water Coolers

2011-10-28 Thread Richard L. Barnes
Cool idea. I would hang out if other people did. +1 to using protocols other than email for ephemeral discussions such as these :) --Richard On Oct 28, 2011, at 5:03 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: > On Wed Oct 26 17:30:04 2011, John C Klensin wrote: >> As others have pointed out, that doesn't so

Re: Virtual Water Coolers

2011-10-28 Thread Dave Cridland
On Wed Oct 26 17:30:04 2011, John C Klensin wrote: As others have pointed out, that doesn't solve the "water cooler" problem. It would probably require some rethinking of how we handle BOFs, WG creation, and other tasks. Creating a virtual water cooler is possible - XMPP chatrooms do provide