Re: [iaoc-rps] RPS Accessibility

2013-08-07 Thread Riccardo Bernardini
Just thinking out aloud What about a web-cam (maybe a wireless one? Never tried to use them...) right under the mic, so that it takes a picture of the badge and shows it on the screen? Everyone (right?) in a meeting has a badge wit his/her/its :) name and affiliation, so privacy concerns

Re: [iaoc-rps] RPS Accessibility

2013-08-07 Thread Keith Moore
On 08/07/2013 02:26 AM, Riccardo Bernardini wrote: Just thinking out aloud What about a web-cam (maybe a wireless one? Never tried to use them...) right under the mic, so that it takes a picture of the badge and shows it on the screen? Everyone (right?) in a meeting has a badge wit

Re: Last Call: draft-bormann-cbor-04.txt (Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR)) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-07 Thread Barry Leiba
A couple of procedural points here: The issue here is whether this proposal should be an IETF Proposed STANDARD. ... Usually when the IETF publishes an algorithm it is given INFORMATIONAL or EXPERIMENTAL status. That is what originally happened with JSON, RFC 4627 has INFORMATIONAL status

Re: Last Call: draft-bormann-cbor-04.txt (Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR)) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-07 Thread Carsten Bormann
On Aug 6, 2013, at 21:45, Joe Hildebrand hil...@cursive.net wrote: On 8/6/13 1:11 PM, Carsten Bormann c...@tzi.org wrote: If a CBOR application does require initial signature bytes for self-description purposes, I would suggest using something like 0xd8 0xf8 ...data item... which

Re: Last Call: draft-bormann-cbor-04.txt (Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR)) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-07 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org wrote: Using the individual submissions track as a way to circumvent working group process when there is an actual IETF JSON working group seems completely wrong to me. No one is circumventing anything. The JSON working

Re: [iaoc-rps] RPS Accessibility

2013-08-07 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 6, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Martin Rex m...@sap.com wrote: Maybe attaching such a sign to the MIC from the start could additionally improve the situation. There were signs like this attached to all the mics in all the rooms at this IETF. I never looked at them, and I doubt anybody else did

Re: RPS Accessibility

2013-08-07 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 6, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: What I've seen in other groups that has worked is a volunteer to record the names of speakers *before* they get to the mic, and then each speaker is announced. Of course that's one more volunteer to find, but it's pretty light

Re: [iaoc-rps] RPS Accessibility

2013-08-07 Thread Paul Aitken
Ted Lemon wrote: Ironically, this IETF everyone who stayed at the Intercontinental was walking around with an RFID key in their pocket the whole meeting. Could there be a conflict if IETF badges also have RFID tags attached, eg we get Room 1283 at the mic? P.

Re: [iaoc-rps] RPS Accessibility

2013-08-07 Thread Paul Aitken
Joe Abley wrote: Or perhaps future IETFers.app releases could talk using bluetooth to a transponder duct-taped to the mic stand and realise the same outcomes (and if you don't like that, you can always touch no in the appropriate place on your phone). Instead of requiring additional hardware

Re: Berlin was awesome, let's come again

2013-08-07 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 6, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Douglas Otis doug.mtv...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed. One minor downside was needing an additional flight. It seems AB who handles about a third of the traffic rather than Lufthansa that handles about one fifth, was not the best choice where a 6 hour layover extended

Re: Berlin was awesome, let's come again

2013-08-07 Thread Noel Chiappa
From: Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com I would personally love it if IETF did another Munich meeting, because I haven't been there since I was seven, and I've always wanted to go back Many fine lunches and dinners. Some things never change... Noel

Faraday cages...

2013-08-07 Thread Ted Lemon
Dare I ask how many IETFers also kept their cell phones in faraday cages for the duration of the conference?

Re: [iaoc-rps] RPS Accessibility

2013-08-07 Thread Hadriel Kaplan
On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:26 AM, Riccardo Bernardini framefri...@gmail.com wrote: Just thinking out aloud What about a web-cam (maybe a wireless one? Never tried to use them...) right under the mic, so that it takes a picture of the badge and shows it on the screen? Everyone (right?) in a

Re: Faraday cages...

2013-08-07 Thread Chris Elliott
My wallet supposedly has a RFID-blocking layer, but I've not actually tested it. I think the only RFID-capable thing in my wallet is my US passport. I used my cell phone in Berlin extensively, both roaming and on wifi, obviously, so both radios were active for most of the time I was there.

Re: [iaoc-rps] RPS Accessibility

2013-08-07 Thread manning bill
would this mandate wearing badges only in certain locations, e.g. over the left breast? /bill On 6August2013Tuesday, at 23:26, Riccardo Bernardini wrote: Just thinking out aloud What about a web-cam (maybe a wireless one? Never tried to use them...) right under the mic, so that it

Re: Faraday cages...

2013-08-07 Thread Scott Brim
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Chris Elliott chell...@pobox.com wrote: My wallet supposedly has a RFID-blocking layer, but I've not actually tested it. I think the only RFID-capable thing in my wallet is my US passport. Take a look at what's in your passport with an NFC tool. For example,

Re: Faraday cages...

2013-08-07 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 7, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Scott Brim scott.b...@gmail.com wrote: I keep my passport in a cage when I'm not handing it to someone. I'm not concerned about my phone. Likewise. The point being, handing everyone in IETF an RFID tag probably doesn't have new privacy implications for most of

Re: Faraday cages...

2013-08-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-08-07, at 13:28, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: [...] I don't think you can argue that carrying an RFID tag with a simple number in it makes things any worse. That sounds right. The purpose of the badge is to dilute your personal privacy and announce your identity to those

Re: Faraday cages...

2013-08-07 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, August 07, 2013 13:43:06 Joe Abley wrote: On 2013-08-07, at 13:28, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: [...] I don't think you can argue that carrying an RFID tag with a simple number in it makes things any worse. That sounds right. The purpose of the badge is to dilute

Re: Faraday cages...

2013-08-07 Thread Scott Brim
I hope the RFID badges transmit (optional) pictures as well, so when I harvest them I can use them to associate names with faces.

Re: Berlin was awesome, let's come again

2013-08-07 Thread Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo
Agreed! Berlin - Vancouver - Prague my three favourites. cheers! ~Carlos On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Eggert, Lars l...@netapp.com wrote: Venue was great, food options here and in the city were great, all-around great experience. Let's come again! (I do kinda wonder how there wasn't a

Re: Speaking of VAT

2013-08-07 Thread Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo
Hello, On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 5:11 PM, John Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote: At last week's very successful Berlin meeting, the finances were thrown of whack by the late discovery that the IETF had to pay 19% German VAT on the registration fee. At the IAOC session they said that about half of

Re: Faraday cages...

2013-08-07 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Scott Brim scott.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Chris Elliott chell...@pobox.com wrote: My wallet supposedly has a RFID-blocking layer, but I've not actually tested it. I think the only RFID-capable thing in my wallet is my US passport.

Re: Faraday cages...

2013-08-07 Thread Ole Jacobsen
On Wed, 7 Aug 2013, Ted Lemon wrote: Actually, the main argument I'd make against IETF RFID tags is that it's more plastic to throw out. Unless we adopt the WIDE practice where the tag is re-used from meeting to meeting. It's an elegant solution, and not that different from the reason I

Re: Speaking of VAT

2013-08-07 Thread Carsten Bormann
On Aug 4, 2013, at 22:11, John Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote: At last week's very successful Berlin meeting, the finances were thrown of whack by the late discovery that the IETF had to pay 19% German VAT on the registration fee. At the IAOC session they said that about half of that is likely

Re: Faraday cages...

2013-08-07 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com wrote: Unless we adopt the WIDE practice where the tag is re-used from meeting to meeting. It's an elegant solution, and not that different from the reason I own a complete set of Suica, Pasmo, ICOCA, PASPY and London Oyster cards. That

RE: Faraday cages...

2013-08-07 Thread Christian Huitema
Unless we adopt the WIDE practice where the tag is re-used from meeting to meeting. It's an elegant solution, and not that different from the reason I own a complete set of Suica, Pasmo, ICOCA, PASPY and London Oyster cards. That is where I was going with that remark, yes. :) Why

Re: Faraday cages...

2013-08-07 Thread Henning Schulzrinne
As far as I know, the simple metallically-coated anti-static plastic bag that's provided with EZPass (and similar electronic toll systems) is quite effective and very cheap. Aluminum foil will also do in a pinch. On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Scott Kitterman sc...@kitterman.com wrote: On

Re: Faraday cages...

2013-08-07 Thread Henning Schulzrinne
What we tried for our experiment was simple: you turn in your RFID card at the end of the meeting, and it is randomly re-used for the next one, i.e., a new number is assigned each meeting. Unfortunately, we only got a relatively small fraction of RFID badges back, if I recall correctly, as

Re: Speaking of VAT

2013-08-07 Thread Ray Pelletier
On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Carsten Bormann c...@tzi.org wrote: On Aug 4, 2013, at 22:11, John Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote: At last week's very successful Berlin meeting, the finances were thrown of whack by the late discovery that the IETF had to pay 19% German VAT on the registration

RE: Faraday cages...

2013-08-07 Thread John R Levine
Why bother with RFID tags, or badges? Simply register with your cell phone. We can then scan your Wi-Fi and Blue-Tooth signals when you approach the mic. You must not have seen my cell phone. Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY I dropped the toothpaste,

Bi-weekly SCIM WG conference calls starting August 21, 2013

2013-08-07 Thread IESG Secretary
As discussed on the SCIM mailing list and Berlin WG meeting, the SCIM WG will be having a series of bi-weekly conference calls every other Wednesday at 11AM Pacific time starting on August 21st. The goal of these conference calls is to address remaining open issues and make progress advancing