Re: Last Call: NOPEER community for BGP route scope control to BCP

2002-11-03 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On Sun, 3 Nov 2002, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Prefix Taxonomy Ongoing Measurement Inter Network Experiment Working Group to consider NOPEER community for BGP route scope control draft-ietf-ptomaine-nopeer-00.txt as a BCP. The IESG plans to make a decision in

Re: kernelizing the network resolver

2002-11-05 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
. If anyone who is going to Atlanta is interested in hearing about what's happening in and around multi6, let me know. Iljitsch van Beijnum

Multihoming in IPv6

2002-11-11 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
, and we would be happy to provide an overview of what has been discussed on multi6 (not just our own drafts/ideas) to anyone who's interested. Contact me off-list for this. Iljitsch van Beijnum PS. Let me remind you in advance that this is NOT the forum to discuss the feasability

Re: authenticated email

2003-06-06 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On donderdag, jun 5, 2003, at 19:13 Europe/Amsterdam, Haren Visavadia wrote: Each CA has its own CPS. How do you the CA conduct its CPS accordingly? Fortunately, as far as the spam issue is concerned, this question is moot: unlike a breach of confidentiality, a breach of spamfreeness is

Re: Simple Internet Protocol, Again

2003-05-27 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On dinsdag, mei 27, 2003, at 03:35 Europe/Amsterdam, Masataka Ohta wrote: I've looked over your draft quickly, however I don't see what applicability statement is possible. It is a reality check agaist people dreaming of magical deployment of IPv6. It can also be a proposal to shutdown

Re: spam

2003-05-27 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On maandag, mei 26, 2003, at 20:36 Europe/Amsterdam, Eric A. Hall wrote: The issue of detecting abuse was the focus of the MIT anti-spam conference. There are many paths presently being pursued: Blacklists, header analysis, and various kinds of content analysis. I think the general consensus

Re: spam

2003-05-29 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On woensdag, mei 28, 2003, at 02:36 Europe/Amsterdam, J. Noel Chiappa wrote: Anyway, this whole discussion is moot. I couldn't agree more. The bottom line is that most people simply don't want to receive spam, often to the degree that they are willing to pay extra to get rid of it. I'm sure

Re: fighting spam, the protocol route

2003-05-30 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On woensdag, mei 28, 2003, at 19:56 Europe/Amsterdam, Christian Huitema wrote: It surprises me that so many people are so eager to declare defeat before even trying the protocol route. (With current protocols defeat is pretty much inevitable.) There is an obvious issue with the protocol route:

Re: spam

2003-05-30 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On woensdag, mei 28, 2003, at 21:39 Europe/Amsterdam, Dean Anderson wrote: It surprises me that so many people are so eager to declare defeat before even trying the protocol route. We tried protocols 5 years ago. They haven't worked. I've explained why specifically, and why in theory they

Re: spam

2003-05-30 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On donderdag, mei 29, 2003, at 17:44 Europe/Amsterdam, Vernon Schryver wrote: I found the following to be an interesting read: http://www.cdt.org/spam/ It shows that even five years ago or so most ligitimate businesses advertising legitimate services through spam employed header forgery. ...

Re: The utilitiy of IP is at stake here

2003-05-30 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On donderdag, mei 29, 2003, at 21:34 Europe/Amsterdam, Tony Hain wrote: The fundamental legal issue we need to deal with is the ability to absolutely identify the originator of the mail. Is that precluded by any existing privacy laws? If not, identity would provide the means to pursue financial

Re: spam

2003-05-30 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On donderdag, mei 29, 2003, at 23:06 Europe/Amsterdam, Dave Aronson wrote: [Having to do crypto for each outgoing spam] Keep in mind, they could always simply apply the usual Microsoft solution: throw more and faster hardware at it. Note also that a lot of spam is already sent to single

Re: spam

2003-05-31 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On vrijdag, mei 30, 2003, at 02:18 Europe/Amsterdam, Christian Huitema wrote: However, creating new publick/private key pairs is an incredibly expensive operation, Uh? Creating a Diffie-Hellman public/private key pair is actually quite simple. Even an RSA pair is not all that hard, considering

Re: spam

2003-05-31 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On vrijdag, mei 30, 2003, at 16:45 Europe/Amsterdam, Vernon Schryver wrote: spammer spams for an entire weekend until his account is yanked, I've picked that fragment out of context only as an example of the larger religion that holds most spam is forged as an article of faith. Most of it is.

Re: The utilitiy of IP is at stake here

2003-06-02 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On zaterdag, mei 31, 2003, at 17:32 Europe/Amsterdam, Paul Hoffman / IMC wrote: To bludgeon the point a bit: - Big ISPs and other mail service providers know how much spam is costing them. Ah, but how much does spam earn them? I assume spammers pay for their bandwidth. Then there are all the

Re: The utilitiy of IP is at stake here

2003-06-02 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On zondag, jun 1, 2003, at 23:48 Europe/Amsterdam, Vernon Schryver wrote: So I'll repeat myself: let's have an anti-spam BOF Face to face talk is likely to be of even lower quality than this thread. But aren't you supposed to have a BOF first before you can have a wg? BOFs are transient

Re: Engineering to deal with the social problem of spam

2003-06-04 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
(I really wanted to stop this thread with my previous message, but...) On woensdag, jun 4, 2003, at 02:54 Europe/Amsterdam, Tony Hain wrote: Just adding authentication only solves a very small part of the problem: we can then accurately whitelist known senders. Two points: 1) besides white

Re: US Defense Department formally adopts IPv6

2003-06-16 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On maandag, jun 16, 2003, at 17:47 Europe/Amsterdam, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: The think I find mindboggling about all this is that I have yet to see a concise explanation of how the great transition to IPv6 is going to be managed and what the incentive for early adopters is going to be.

Re: myth of the great transition (was US Defense Department forma lly adopts IPv6)

2003-06-18 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On woensdag, jun 18, 2003, at 04:33 Europe/Amsterdam, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: I really wish that the IETF had designed a decent NAT box spec rather than adopting the ostrich position. http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/nat-charter.html

Re: myth of the great transition (was US Defense Department forma lly adopts IPv6)

2003-06-18 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On woensdag, jun 18, 2003, at 21:17 Europe/Amsterdam, Bob Braden wrote: Since 1980 we have believed that universal connectivity was one of the great achievements of the Internet design. Today, one must unfortunately question whether universal connectivity can be sustained (or is even the right

Re: myth of the great transition (was US Defense Department forma lly adopts IPv6)

2003-06-19 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On donderdag, jun 19, 2003, at 13:49 Europe/Amsterdam, J. Noel Chiappa wrote: Maybe NATs are, in fact, a result of a very deep problem with our architecture. My take is that NAT's respond to several flaws in the IPv4 architecture: - 1) Not enough addresses - this being the one that brought

Re: myth of the great transition (was US Defense Department forma lly adopts IPv6)

2003-06-23 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On donderdag, jun 19, 2003, at 23:42 Europe/Amsterdam, Eric Rescorla wrote: Realistically, there are three kinds of utility effects of someone choosing to install a NAT: (1) The effect on them personally. (2) The effect on other people who might potentially correspond with them (a rather

Re: the end-to-end name problem

2003-07-03 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On woensdag, jul 2, 2003, at 23:43 Europe/Amsterdam, S Woodside wrote: I think there's a problem with the name end-to-end. End is a word with a lot of definitions: for example wordnet [1] lists 14 senses for the noun end and 4 more for the verb. Indeed, we must walk down to the 5th definition

Re: basic refs

2003-07-06 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On zondag, jul 6, 2003, at 10:18 Europe/Amsterdam, Pedro Fortuny wrote: Getting started with the IPv6 protocol (and new to this list :) Any basic references (no need to be exhaustive at all) (I mean, six or seven rfc's would be more than ok). A good start would be: Internet Protocol, Version 6

Lawful interception

2003-07-10 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
With regard to draft-baker-slem-architecture-01.txt and the surrounding issues: is anything happening in this area in Vienna?

Re: re the plenary discussion on partial checksums

2003-07-17 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On woensdag, jul 16, 2003, at 21:59 Europe/Amsterdam, Keith Moore wrote: I'm not sure what the problem is here: - UDP checksums are optional Not in IPv6. If this is the only thing we need at the transport layer then we might want to change this back to the IPv4 behavior. - IPv6 could define an

Re: re the plenary discussion on partial checksums

2003-07-17 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On donderdag, jul 17, 2003, at 14:24 Europe/Amsterdam, Keith Moore wrote: ] I would have a hard time taking an IP header bit and making it the Do ] not drop this packet in the presense of a bit error somewhere in the ] frame from layer 2 - layer 3. Don't think it is a good idea. I don't know

Re: fixed wireless mesh

2003-08-08 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On woensdag, aug 6, 2003, at 23:41 Europe/Amsterdam, Vernon Schryver wrote: xactly what in http://www.ieee802.org/16/docs/03/C80216-03_07.pdf could possibly be a reasonable topic for the IETF to consider? I look forward to seeing the IEEE reinvent the network layer and put it _below_ the link

Re: fixed wireless mesh

2003-08-14 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On donderdag, aug 7, 2003, at 00:40 Europe/Amsterdam, Vernon Schryver wrote: I look forward to seeing the IEEE reinvent the network layer and put it _below_ the link layer. This should be fun. How is the IEEE reinventing the network layer this time? They really have tried in some previous

Re: [Fwd: Emerging Network Usage and Engineering Issues]

2003-08-19 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On dinsdag, aug 19, 2003, at 09:14 Europe/Amsterdam, NM Research wrote: Please qualify your false statement I would appreciate - what was A-net all about. The confusion that the ARPAnet supposedly had a military function stems from the research done by Paul Baran at the RAND Corporation in the

Re: AW: www.ietf.org.

2003-08-25 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On maandag, aug 25, 2003, at 10:15 Europe/Amsterdam, Randy Bush wrote: unless there is a reason why that host should not be using v6 services, hmm? because it works now? But for some boxes only if I use NAT, and having to use NAT makes for a liberal definition of works. v6 has one salient

Re: [Fwd: Emerging Network Usage and Engineering Issues]

2003-08-26 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On dinsdag, aug 26, 2003, at 10:09 Europe/Amsterdam, NM Research wrote: A scenario where all the ecommerce code and routing code ( paid traffic ) would fail is if the Financial Capital City of the World is Struck in a light nuke attack. Are you, or is the code capable of handle this ? This is

Re: Solving the right problems ...

2003-08-28 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On woensdag, aug 27, 2003, at 20:33 Europe/Amsterdam, Keith Moore wrote: we need to move the FQDNs and especially IP addresses away from identifying hosts, and introduce and explicit host or stack name identifier. mostly agree, except that I suspect it works better to put the new layer

Re: where the indirection layer belongs

2003-08-30 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On vrijdag, aug 29, 2003, at 23:06 Europe/Amsterdam, Keith Moore wrote: It's not uncommon to see a FQDN point to several IP addresses so that the service identified by the FQDN can be provided either by (a) multiple hosts, or (b) a host with multiple addresses. No. A client can't tell whether

Re: Testing Root A going away

2003-08-30 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On zaterdag, aug 30, 2003, at 21:28 Europe/Amsterdam, Christian Huitema wrote: Obviously, cutting of the A root would have some pretty drastic consequences. If that is the case then some people have been reading the relevant RFCs with their eyes closed. The only consequence should some sporadic

Re: Solving the right problems ...

2003-08-27 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On woensdag, aug 27, 2003, at 18:48 Europe/Amsterdam, Tony Hain wrote: but if that only applied to apps using a new stabilization layer, there wouldn't be as much complaint because those would see a clear benefit. So when will vendors recompile their apps for multihoming? Right after they're

Re: Solving the right problems ...

2003-08-27 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On woensdag, aug 27, 2003, at 18:52 Europe/Amsterdam, jfcm wrote: Using a 1D numbering plan to support 5 (?) distinct dimensions (plan, technology, network routing, global host addressing and interface identification) looks like X121 or old telephony. Which additionnal information do you need

Re: the VoIP Paradox

2003-09-02 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On dinsdag, sep 2, 2003, at 20:22 Europe/Amsterdam, Scott Bradner wrote: Perhaps, perhaps not. I live in Ontario Canada and in the recent blackout, my phone kept working. i.e., you did not have a ISDN or wireless phone The telco can provide power over the ISDN line for a single device on the

Re: names, addresses, routes

2003-09-03 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On woensdag, sep 3, 2003, at 17:33 Europe/Amsterdam, Dave Crocker wrote: PN Well, I consider an *identifier* as something that is more or PN less intrisically bound to an identity and a *name* as something PN that merely indicates an entity, I had not run into this distinction before. Now that

Re: A modest proposal - allow the ID repository to hold xml

2003-09-04 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On woensdag, sep 3, 2003, at 23:34 Europe/Amsterdam, Vernon Schryver wrote: It is just plain ***WRONG!*** to even start to consider anything but ASCII for the official documents. As hard as it is for the unscared to believe, even XML will fade away completely and be replaced by something else

Re: A modest proposal - allow the ID repository to hold xml

2003-09-05 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
IANAXE*, so I may be saying something stupid here, but... Wouldn't it be possible to come up with a DTD that makes it possible to tag all the different parts of a draft or an RFC to enable all the automated processing we love so much, but in such a way that when all the .* sequences are

Re: Moving the ipng mailing list

2003-08-21 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On donderdag, aug 21, 2003, at 13:05 Europe/Amsterdam, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: Can the list be moved to a server that supports IPv6 transport? E.g., it looks like all the ops.ietf.org lists are delivered over IPv6 now. I have received messages for the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list over IPv6 once

Re: where the indirection layer belongs

2003-09-05 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On vrijdag, sep 5, 2003, at 23:15 Europe/Amsterdam, Spencer Dawkins wrote: Dave's MAST proposal was announced at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf-announce/Current/msg25938.html. It is not entirely clear where this draft should be discussed. I bailed and sent my comments to Dave offlist,

Re: Proposal to define a simple architecture to differentiate legitimate bulk email from Spam (UBE)

2003-09-07 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On zondag, sep 7, 2003, at 21:45 Europe/Amsterdam, Dean Anderson wrote: Information theory says that such things are impossible. One can not construct a spam-free protocol because this is the same problem as constructing a system free of covert channels, which information theory says is

Re: You Might Be An Anti-Spam Kook If ...

2003-09-08 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On maandag, sep 8, 2003, at 11:14 Europe/Amsterdam, Zefram wrote: Vernon Schryver wrote: I've been compiling a list in the style of Jeff Foxworthy. You Might Be An Anti-Spam Kook If Please publish this as an RFC. A collection of unworkable approaches to the spam problem

Re: Proposal to define a simple architecture to differentiate legitimate bulk email from Spam (UBE)

2003-09-09 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On maandag, sep 8, 2003, at 17:30 Europe/Amsterdam, Dean Anderson wrote: Nobody cares. Making a roof 100.00% impervious to water molecules may be impossible, but that doesn't mean we have to resign to getting wet every time it rains. People care because when someone comes around saying you

Re: Proposal to define a simple architecture to differentiate legitimate bulk email from Spam (UBE)

2003-09-09 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On dinsdag, sep 9, 2003, at 19:41 Europe/Amsterdam, Dean Anderson wrote: Let's first define our goal before declaring it impossible to reach. Well, I think the goal has been stated: Create an abuse-free email protocol. That goal is impossible. Thus, we have abusable protocols. Ok, not going to

Re: Careful with those spamtools.....

2003-09-15 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On maandag, sep 15, 2003, at 03:50 Europe/Amsterdam, Dean Anderson wrote: I think that content analysis holds much promise. Only a few years ago, we thought that speaker-independent voice recognition was science fiction. And in the '60s we thought we'd all be going to work in a rocket by now.

Re: [Fwd: [Asrg] Verisign: All Your Misspelling Are Belong To Us]

2003-09-16 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On dinsdag, sep 16, 2003, at 12:25 Europe/Amsterdam, Karl Auerbach wrote: 1. Via ICANN, instruct Verisign to remove the wildcard. It isn't clear that this power is vested in ICANN. There is a complicated arrangement of Cooperative Agreements, MOUs, CRADAs, and Purchase Orders that exist

ICANN special meeting about *.com/net

2003-09-30 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
For those who aren't on the ICANN press list: Marina del Rey, CA 30 September 2003 ICANN's Security and Stability Advisory Committee (SECSAC) announced today that it will hold a special meeting on 7 October 2003 to gather input regarding VeriSign's recent change to the operation of the

Re: Removing features

2003-10-10 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
-attachment Huh? Iljitsch van Beijnum

Re: Impact from rfc1918 leaks

2003-10-11 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On zaterdag, okt 11, 2003, at 09:40 Europe/Amsterdam, Leif Johansson wrote: |Tell that to the root zone operators and brace for the reaction. | Root zone operators, meaning like Verisign? Yes. I recently sat in on a presentation from the operators of I.root-servers.net. Currently 8-10% of

Re: accusations of cluelessness

2003-10-11 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
to become much more interesting. I guess it all depends on how you look at it: either the glass is half empty (still 1.5 billion addresses still free) or it's 97% full (31 bits down, one to go). Iljitsch van Beijnum

Re: accusations of cluelessness

2003-10-12 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On zondag, okt 12, 2003, at 03:23 Europe/Amsterdam, Scott Bradner wrote: If you have $2500 to ante up for the allocation. you might take a look at the RIR web pages - it does not cost an ISP $2500 to get additional address space allocated - the additional fee for additional space for large ISPs

Re: Removing features

2003-10-15 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 15 okt 2003, at 19:45, Keith Moore wrote: the marginal sin of intercepting DNS queries for private addresses, to prevent the sort of problems those queries cause, seems to me to be fairly small. I probably agree. But I guess my question is where does it end? It ends when IPv4 ends. That is,

Re: Palm version of schedule

2003-11-07 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 2 nov 2003, at 18:41, Eric Rescorla wrote: Has anyone out there worked out how to get the IETF schedule into your Palm in some fashion more convenient than just typing it in? I see lots of people use Macs, so an iCal shared calendar would be useful too. I typed in around 30 of the nearly 110

Re: fun with base stations...

2003-11-09 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 9-nov-03, at 16:53, Randy Bush wrote: Right now, I'm hearing (from where I'm sitting) eight different 802.11b base stations on channel 6. Is this the intended configuration? it is not an accident. it is not the production plan. but they are not charging extra for it at the moment. :-) So

Re: fun with base stations...

2003-11-10 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 10-nov-03, at 9:53, Joel Jaeggli wrote: It would be nice for whoever lays on such provision for the IETF to document their approach. I enquired about this on this list after Vienna, but got no reply.This would be helpful for other people organising events where a few hundred wireless

Re: IETF58 - Network Status

2003-11-13 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 13-nov-03, at 16:44, Carsten Bormann wrote: it turned out that when I replaced my Linksys 802.11b with a brand new Motorola 802.11g the problem went away; there is a Radio Shark on the third floor of City Center that sells them for $70. Similarly, when I put a $70 Linksys WPC54G (directly

Re: IETF58 - Network Status

2003-11-15 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 14-nov-03, at 23:08, Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC) wrote: I strongly encourage people to consider bringing 802.11a cards to future meetings! (Note: Of course, now that I've said that, the future hosts will decide against deploying it) If we go for 802.11a, I sugggest that we ask a vendor (or

Re: [58crew] RE: IETF58 - Network Status

2003-11-18 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 18-nov-03, at 15:56, Perry E.Metzger wrote: The fact that 802.11 tries to be reliable by doing its own retransmits results in massive congestive collapse when a protocol like TCP is run over it. Hardly. TCP plays nice and slows down when either the RTTs go up or there is packet loss (which

Re: IETF58 - Network Status

2003-11-18 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 18-nov-03, at 19:48, Keith Moore wrote: I already indicated before: 100-150 Euros more is not a big issue. I strongly and emphatically disagree, and I strongly object to attempts to use of increased meeting feeds to discourage some parties from participating at IETF. Basically this kind of

Re: IETF58 - Network Status

2003-11-18 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 18-nov-03, at 23:44, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: Maybe this would be a good time to explain what the IETF needs a 9.33 person secretariat for, and why the secretariat must be entirely funded by meeting fees. The Secretariat handles I-D processing, meeting planning, IESG telechats, software

Re: IETF58 - Network Status

2003-11-18 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 19-nov-03, at 1:38, Eliot Lear wrote: I think part of the blame should go to the access points that kept disappearing. Someone told me this was because the AP transmitters were set to just 1 mw. If this is true, it was obviously a very big mistake. Oh really?! Please explain why. Ok,

Re: i18n name badges (Modified by Iljitsch van Beijnum)

2003-11-19 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 19-nov-03, at 18:03, Dave Crocker wrote: I think that enhanced character sets is a perfect topic for having the IETF eat its own dogfood. Just dealing with the details of the name tags might well prove instructive to us, nevermind the basic politeness it offers to attendees. Easy to say

Re: [58crew] RE: IETF58 - Network Status

2003-11-19 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 19-nov-03, at 17:45, Perry E.Metzger wrote: However, RED like approach to attempt retries only a few times may be a good strategy to improve latency. A RED approach would be good, 15 authors of RFC 2309 can't be wrong. :-) but in general there has to be a limit on the queue. Your wireless

Re: [58crew] RE: IETF58 - Network Status

2003-11-19 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 19-nov-03, at 23:16, Perry E.Metzger wrote: I think there is some middle ground between 25000 and 10 ms. 10ms is the middle ground. That's enough for a bunch of retransmits on modern hardware. Retransmits on what type of hardware? At 1 Mbps transmitting a 1500 byte packet already takes 12

Re: i18n name badges

2003-11-20 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 20-nov-03, at 4:05, James Seng wrote: I think having the punycode form have no value on a name badge. Punycode, as it is designed, is meant for machine-to-machine communication. So why don't we come up with a machine-to-human transliteration mechanism? So if someone called (trouble with

Re: i18n name badges

2003-11-20 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 19-nov-03, at 22:28, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: It should be RFID, cheaper, and easier, not only for the blue sheets. Wouldn't it be even cheaper if everyone who has a laptop with wireless with them signs in on an electronic version of the blue sheets? This just takes a few hours of

Re: i18n name badges

2003-11-23 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 23-nov-03, at 12:47, James Seng wrote: Yes, there is leakage in Punycode now and will be for a while. It is not nice but I couldnt think of any encoding which wont leak. (UTF-8 will give you gibberish if client are not UTF-8 aware or with the right fonts). Same arguments we have in IDN WG

Re: national security

2003-11-28 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 27-nov-03, at 23:20, jfcm wrote: Some others have technical implications. I would like to quote some suggestions listed in the preparatory document, to get advices I could quote at the meeting or in its report. Also to list the alternative and additional suggestions some might do. Ok, I'm

Re: Re[4]: national security

2003-11-28 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 28-nov-03, at 14:47, Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: I guess not because I have no idea what you're talking about. There is a natural tendency to think that by dividing a 128-bit address field into two 64-bit fields, the address space is cut in half (or perhaps not diminished at all). Ah, I see

Re: IPv6 address space lifetime, was: national security

2003-11-30 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 30-nov-03, at 4:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The at current burn rate assumption is far from safe though... Oh? Have any better-than-handwaving reasons to suspect the current allocation rate will change drastically? I have a slightly better than handwaving indication that the current

Re: IPv6 addressing limitations (was national security)

2003-12-02 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 2-dec-03, at 20:42, Schiro, Dan wrote: Fortunately the mistake is easily rectified, so long as software doesn't get into the habit of expecting the lower 64 bits of an address to be a unique interface identifier. This is a dangerous prospect. The company I work for makes a networking

Re: IPv6 addressing limitations (was national security)

2003-12-02 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 2-dec-03, at 21:04, Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: Why dedicated /64 to anything? We are getting by just fine on /32 for the whole world right now. Why is a sudden expansion of 2^32 required RIGHT NOW? Stateless autoconfiguration. See, that's the classic mistake: Everyone wants to divide the

Re: IPv6 addressing limitations (was national security)

2003-12-02 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 2-dec-03, at 20:03, Keith Moore wrote: RFC 3513 mandates that all unicast IPv6 addresses except the ones starting with the bits 000 must have a 64-bit interface identifier in the lower 64 bits. This was shortsighted, just like having the notion of class built into IPv4 addresses was

Re: Re[2]: IPv6 addressing limitations (was national security)

2003-12-03 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 3-dec-03, at 21:21, Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: It was well understood that it was important to keep most of the IPv6 address space open to allow for future use. If it were well understood, nobody would have ever been foolish enough to suggest blowing 2^125 addresses right up front. I've

Re: national security

2003-12-05 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 5-dec-03, at 1:37, Franck Martin wrote: Finally before a root-server is installed somewhere, someone will do an assessment of the local conditions and taylor it adequately. I want countries to request installation of root servers, and I know about 20 Pacific Islands countries that need

Re: national security

2003-12-05 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 5-dec-03, at 17:16, Dean Anderson wrote: Indeed, this is what they do when the agree to put the national root nameservers in their own nameserver root configs. It is far easier to have per-country stealth root slaves than it is to make every nameserver the stealth slave of every other domain

Re: national security

2003-12-06 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 6-dec-03, at 23:04, Dean Anderson wrote: I don't think this stealth business is a very good idea. If you want a root servers somewhere, use anycast. That means importing BGP problems into the DNS, which is iffy enough as it is. That seems to argue against anycast... If there were 65 actual

Re: national security

2003-12-07 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 7-dec-03, at 2:26, Paul Vixie wrote: ... (Selecting the best path is pretty much an after thought in BGP: the RFC doesn't even bother giving suggestions on how to do this.) congradulations, you're the millionth person to think that was an oversight. I don't think this is an oversight, I'm

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-07 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 7-dec-03, at 20:52, Paul Vixie wrote: Just for fun, I cooked up a named.root file with only those IPv6 addresses in it. This seems to confuse BIND such that its behavior becomes very unpredictable. hmmm. that configuration works fine for me here. Ok... But does it also do anything useful?

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 8-dec-03, at 22:01, Jeroen Massar wrote: There are currently quite some ISP's who filter anything /35. Generally ISP's should be filtering on allocation boundaries. Thus if a certain prefix is allocated as a /32, they should not be accepting anything smaller (/33, /34 etc) So how are ISPs

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
[my apologies for burning so much bandwith] On 8-dec-03, at 22:17, Zefram wrote: Just wondering, as I have about IPv4 anycast allocations: why can't we designate a block for microallocations, within which prefix length filters aren't applied? The number of routes in the DFZ is the same either

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-10 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 10-dec-03, at 10:28, leo vegoda wrote: http://lacnic.net/en/chapter-4.html http://ftp.apnic.net/apnic/docs/ipv6-address-policy http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6-policies.html http://www.arin.net/policy/ipv6_policy.html http://www.iana.org/ipaddress/ipv6-allocation-policy-26jun02 In fact, we

Re: Re[4]: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used

2003-12-12 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 12-dec-03, at 22:24, Theodore Ts'o wrote: Does that mean that Path MTU was badly designed, because it failed to take into account stupid firewalls? Path MTU disovery was implemented very poorly because implementations tend expect certain functionality in routers, and usually don't recover

Re: Re[4]: www.isoc.org unreachable when ECN is used

2003-12-15 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 15-dec-03, at 14:03, Spencer Dawkins wrote: Your definition of broken is a little off. I would think the broken implementation is the one that misunderstood the definition. reserved as i have been enlightened privately has been clearly defined at IETF as: a) Must be set to zero on

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-16 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 16-dec-03, at 12:06, jfcm wrote: I suggest ISO should define an international trans network numbering scheme that could be adopted as the IPv6.010 numbering plan, the same way as the ccTLD list is the ISO 3166 2 letters list, and IDNA uses unicodes etc. The ISO is already in charge of NSAP

Re: Adding SpamAssassin Headers to IETF mail

2003-12-17 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 17-dec-03, at 1:34, Sandy Wills wrote: I would like to propose a solution to the looming religious war: Some people are serious about wanting to see every message that crosses the ietf domain, and will offer violence to anyone who wants to keep their daily dose of spam away from them.

Re: Propose some information retrieval protocols for Internet

2003-12-31 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
You could find more information about our project in http://202.114.9.200/English/main.htm Hm, it won't open for me. I've looked over your other documents and it seems you mainly focus on organization in general and organization by domain in particular. I don't really have an opinion on whether

Re: Propose some information retrieval protocols for Internet

2004-01-01 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 31-dec-03, at 17:47, Scott W Brim wrote: I'd like to see more semantic information in search engines. Eventually, this would allow queries like which actors played in movies after books written by authors born in Chili in 1961? Is SCORM useful to you? http://www.adlnet.org As far as I can

Re: Death of the Internet - details at 11

2004-01-12 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 12-jan-04, at 20:55, Gordon Cook wrote: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/ is the really spooky essay. Excerpted in my December issue. Read the Digital Imprimatur if you haven't already. I find it a tad on the wordy side... (27731 words, to be precise, more than an hour

Re: Death of the Internet - details at 11

2004-01-12 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 12-jan-04, at 21:13, Paul Robinson wrote: The modern Internet is run by marketing, not technical, requirements. IPv6 will not take off any time soon because neither the end-user nor the service provider sees the need. The moment AOL, Wanadoo, Tiscali, World Online et al shout out we *need*

Re: Death of the Internet - details at 11

2004-01-13 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 13-jan-04, at 10:36, Paul Robinson wrote: Continuing work on IPv4 only creates the illusion that it is a viable protocol for application developers to rely on for future income. Are you suggesting then, that all RFCs based on IPv6 should be... stopped? I think that one should read IPv4...

Re: Processing of Expired Internet-Drafts

2004-01-14 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 14-jan-04, at 17:43, Fred Baker wrote: It seems to me that there is a better approach to the above, at least in the context of the above. If the tombstone is literally as described, it would be far more space/search/etc efficient for us to have the tombstone consist of an added text line in

Re: dubious assumptions about IPv6 (was death of the Internet)

2004-01-15 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 15-jan-04, at 12:48, Yuri Ismailov (KI/EAB) wrote: I share pretty much the views expressed on the page. I don't share all of them (9 billion people in 2050, 3.7 billion usable IPv4 addresses, show me some math that makes this work) but where on this page is there a point being made? It seems

Re: dubious assumptions about IPv6 (was death of the Internet)

2004-01-15 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 15-jan-04, at 18:12, Dean Anderson wrote: But whether you internetwork with IPv6 and NAT, or just keep IPv4, NAT will not go likely go away. Directly internetworking IPv4 and IPv6 (where an IPv4-only host talks to an IPv6-only host) is only possible for IPv6 hosts that use an IPv4-compatible

Re: The IETF Mission

2004-01-18 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 18-jan-04, at 19:39, Bob Braden wrote: So let's consciously endeavor to ensure that sigificant non-standards documents -- responsible position papers, white papers, new ideas, etc. -- become RFCs. Sigh. Even more RFCs. Pretty soon we're going to need a 32-bit RFC number space. (Making

Re: The IETF Mission

2004-01-18 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 18-jan-04, at 23:17, grenville armitage wrote: Actually it's pretty much the same topic, as there needs to be a way to preserve drafts that are important in some way or another. If it is important, it'll progress the work of some group in the IETF and be archived as an RFC. Really. What's

Re: packets of multiple users sent over the same TCP/IP session

2004-01-25 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 25-jan-04, at 18:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this case I cannot map the IP address of the TCP session to one specific mobile subscriber - and the only way I can identify the subscriber is by looking on the SMPP layer (above the TCP) and extract the subscriber mobile number. It's

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