Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC (fwd)

2007-03-18 Thread Pekka Savola
Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC I would appreciate it is someone would repost this to the IETF list. First, I want to say that I support an ASN.1 compiler in C++ and am considering a rewrite of that compiler's translated runtime to ADA to leverage some of ADA's

Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-16 Thread Ned Freed
Ned == Ned Freed [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --On Tuesday, 13 March, 2007 16:58 +0100 Simon Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it was a suggestion/ request that, before this document was published in _any_ form, that it at least acquire a clear discussion as to when one would

Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-14 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2007-03-14 04:29, David Kessens wrote: John, On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 09:04:52AM -0400, John C Klensin wrote: If the IESG is going to claim a silent majority in favor of approving this document, so be it. But to claim that there were no Last Call comments and that those that were solicited

Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 13 March, 2007 07:47 +0200 Pekka Savola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, The IESG wrote: A URL of this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-legg-xed-asd-07.txt ... Working Group Summary This document set was not produced by an IETF

Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread Brian E Carpenter
I saw almost no technical comments on the documents. Most of the last call comments I saw were on a side track about copyright issues. The one somewhat technical comment that I logged, from Tom Yu, didn't result in any changes but was certainly influential on me in agreeing to the documents

Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread Simon Josefsson
Pekka Savola [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, The IESG wrote: A URL of this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-legg-xed-asd-07.txt ... Working Group Summary This document set was not produced by an IETF working group, but by an individual. IETF

RE: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC I saw almost no technical comments on the documents. Most of the last call comments I saw were on a side track about copyright issues. The one somewhat technical comment that I logged, from Tom Yu, didn't result

Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 08:09:35AM -0700, Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 76 lines which said: Everything we do is complex. There are degrees in complexity. Compare RFC 3912 with 3981, both written by your co-workers :-) So, I do not think that the complexity

Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread Ted Hardie
At 7:47 AM +0200 3/13/07, Pekka Savola wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, The IESG wrote: A URL of this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-legg-xed-asd-07.txt ... Working Group Summary This document set was not produced by an IETF working group, but by an individual. IETF Last

Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread Simon Josefsson
Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Arguments on complexity are too easy to make. Every time a proposal is made I hear the complexity argument used against it. Everything we do is complex. Computers are complex. Committee process usually increases complexity somewhat. If an

RE: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
. -Original Message- From: Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 11:23 AM To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 08:09:35AM -0700, Hallam

RE: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
From: Simon Josefsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Arguments on complexity are too easy to make. Every time a proposal is made I hear the complexity argument used against it. Everything we do is complex. Computers are complex.

Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread Tom Yu
pbaker == Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: pbaker I agree that there were no technical comments but the summary pbaker states 'no comments'. Arguments on complexity are too easy to pbaker make. Every time a proposal is made I hear the complexity pbaker argument used against it.

Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 13 March, 2007 16:58 +0100 Simon Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Arguments on complexity are too easy to make. Every time a proposal is made I hear the complexity argument used against it. Everything we do is complex.

Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread Andy Bierman
John C Klensin wrote: --On Tuesday, 13 March, 2007 16:58 +0100 Simon Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Arguments on complexity are too easy to make. Every time a proposal is made I hear the complexity argument used against it. Everything we

Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread Ned Freed
--On Tuesday, 13 March, 2007 16:58 +0100 Simon Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Arguments on complexity are too easy to make. Every time a proposal is made I hear the complexity argument used against it. Everything we do is complex.

Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread Tom Yu
Ned == Ned Freed [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --On Tuesday, 13 March, 2007 16:58 +0100 Simon Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it was a suggestion/ request that, before this document was published in _any_ form, that it at least acquire a clear discussion as to when one would select this

RE: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
and LDAP. -Original Message- From: John C Klensin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:13 PM To: Simon Josefsson; Hallam-Baker, Phillip Cc: Brian E Carpenter; iesg@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; Pekka Savola Subject: Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X

Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 13 March, 2007 16:01 -0700 Andy Bierman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to raise this issue, but I deleted the mail when I realized this is going to be an Experimental RFC (according to the subject line). I don't think it harms interoperability to introduce an

Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread David Kessens
John, On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 09:04:52AM -0400, John C Klensin wrote: If the IESG is going to claim a silent majority in favor of approving this document, so be it. But to claim that there were no Last Call comments and that those that were solicited were positive is deeply problematic.

RE: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-13 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 13 March, 2007 17:30 -0700 Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Options are not necessarily complications. The only point to having XER that I can see is if you intend to allow an orderly transition from use of ASN.1 to use of XML. Both standards do their job fine,

Re: Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-12 Thread Pekka Savola
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, The IESG wrote: A URL of this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-legg-xed-asd-07.txt ... Working Group Summary This document set was not produced by an IETF working group, but by an individual. IETF Last Call produced no comments, and solicited

Document Action: 'Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)' to Experimental RFC

2007-03-12 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following documents: - 'Robust XML Encoding Rules (RXER) for Abstract Syntax Notation One (ASN.1) ' draft-legg-xed-rxer-07.txt as an Experimental RFC - 'Encoding Instructions for the Robust XML Encoding Rules (RXER) ' draft-legg-xed-rxer-ei-04.txt as an