It seems to me that there are two separate issues.
First, should this work be done within IETF, or would it be better done in
ITU (or ATIS, etc.)?
Second, if it is done within IETF, should it be done in IEPREP, or some
other working group?
In Sam's earlier emails, he seemed to be saying
There has also been a change in the external factors affecting the urgency
of this work.
At one time the perspective (from at least some of us) has been We know
we are going to need this stuff sometime in the future.
That perspective has changed to There are deadlines in place. If we don't
have talked with them about needing such
capabilities.
Kimberly
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http://ftp3.itu.ch/sg13sdo/
demands a user ID and password to see the document
Janet
Scott W Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/07/2006 01:13:43 PM:
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To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
But when I follow the link to the attachment it demands a user ID and
password.
Janet
Scott W Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/07/2006 02:58:07 PM:
Excerpts from Pekka Savola on Tue, Nov 07, 2006 09:40:07PM +0200:
Sigh. ftp3.itu.ch appears to be one of those sites where a
Before you all jump all over me, I apologize for forgetting to remove the
corporate sig on my previous email.
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Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/14/2006 11:36:40 AM:
...
This illustrates some of my concerns about this requirements work being
done outside the IETF.
...
2. The notion that solutions such as precedence and preemption
are (a) requirements and (b) applicable to
Yes, we absolutely must address them in the context of real-life
architecture deployment scenarios.
Janet
Dolly, Martin C, ALABS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/16/2006 08:29:59 AM:
Janet,
I agree that the items you listed below are best analyzed/discussed in
the IETF, for as long as
Brian Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/29/2006 08:16:35 AM:
However, what this subthread demonstrates is
that they were conceptually an incremental change, not a giant,
discontinuous, intellectual leap.
I thought we all knew that.
Oh, I agree, we knew that. There are very, very
Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/01/2006 05:20:31 AM:
Speaking only for myself: I'm now reasonably satisfied that if this work
is to be done, it will be done better in the IETF than in the ITU.
However, looking at the last draft of the charter that I've seen, I am
Martin,
yes, I agree.
Janet
Dolly, Martin C, ALABS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/01/2006 02:05:54 PM:
Janet, See inline, Cheers, Martin
Janet wrote:
The mis-perception that the WG is focused on precedence and preemption
is, unfortunately, reinforced by the list of milestones, which
IIRC the hotel web site has a map. You could use that to find the names of
nearby streets.
Janet
Andy Bierman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/18/2006 01:37:43 PM:
Hi,
There is only one hotel listed for IETF 68:
http://www3.ietf.org/meetings/68-hotels.html
There are no more rooms at the
My guidebook says 6 months.
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For those of you with experience in Prague/Czech Republic-
How practical is it to rent a car?
There are a couple of places outside Prague I would like to visit on the
weekend (in particular the JAWA Motorcycle Museum of Konopiště, about 20
miles outside Prague), and I am considering renting a
was an
Egyptologist.)
Thanks,
Janet
Regards,
Stephan
On Mar 7, 2007, at 8:38 PM, Janet P Gunn wrote:
For those of you with experience in Prague/Czech Republic-
How practical is it to rent a car?
There are a couple of places outside Prague I would like to visit on
the weekend
There was no place for comments on the breakfast question.
I think an important criterion is not just whether the CONTRACTED HOTEL
provides breakfast, but whether, in addition, the OTHER HOTELS IN THE AREA
where IETF-ers are likely to stay, provide breakfast.
If we are in a city where MOST
if it is not included in the room rate at the
contract hotel.
Janet
Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/19/2007 07:25:33 AM:
Janet P Gunn wrote:
But if it is ONLY the contracted hotel that provides breakfast, and
the other hotels do not, then I think that the meeting should
When I look at the 10 day forecast for Chicago, 5 of the 10 days include
some form of rain.
But they agree with you about the temperature.
Janet
Tim Chown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 07/16/2007 09:58:35 AM:
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 03:55:39PM -, John Levine wrote:
... walk from the
+1
I had some initial difficulty with the tool's inability to properly
extract the creation date, but eventually came up with a format it
accepted.
Overall, very slick.
Janet
Eric Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/12/2007 11:32:33 AM:
+1
Thanks!
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Eric Gray
Principal Engineer
A quick google search finds multiple restaurants in the villages of
Saggart (adjacent to the golf course) and Rathcoole (2k away)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/01/2008 08:43:12 AM:
--On Friday, 01 February, 2008 11:57 +0100 Jeroen Massar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(e.g., if we want to
I am still not convinced that there is a shortage of other places for
lunch.
Citywest (that the hotel is part of)
http://www.citywest.ie/
is a large business campus (including some companies that will be familiar
to IETF participants)
In their list of amenities it says that there is a choice
So would it make sense to rent a CAR at BRU or AMS and DRIVE to
Maastricht?
I am actually quite pleased with the choice, as Maastricht is quite close
to Aachen, which is somewhere I have long intended to visit.
Janet
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 05/24/2009 10:31:55 PM:
Ole Jacobsen
In Vienna there were lots of semi-open-air restaurants along the Danube,
very close to the meeting site. I remember particularly good fried
sardines- something I rarely find in the US.
Janet
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 03/29/2010 06:05:47 AM:
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Re: Advance travel info
Which hotel was it?
Two of the hotels (NH Maastricht and Crowne Plaza Maastricht) show two
sets of rates, a refundable rate and a non-refundable rate. It says that
if you choose the non-refundable rate your credit card will be charged
immediately.
Janet
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on
I, on the other hand, prefer the July/August date. My husband is a school
teacher, and I have the option of bringing him with me in July/August, but
not in June or September.
Janet
Fred Baker
in fairness, anyplace we don't yet have a contract is open to
discussion. With care and in
For various reasons, I have participated in the last 3 meetings
remotely.
While I am very grateful for the technical tools (streaming audio, jabber
room, etc.) that make such remote participation possible, it is in no
way a substitute for the greater level of interaction I get when attending
I think San Diego was worse than Dublin in that respect. At least in
Dublin there were free busses to the city center.
Janet
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My own anecdotes.
Yes, it starts early.
When I was 3 I announced that I was going to be a physicist when I grew
up. WHY?
1 - a physicist has a chair that is on WHEELS, and spins ROUND and ROUND
2 - a physicist has a blackboard with COLORED CHALK
3 (and MOST important) a physicist has a CANDY
This is VERY narrow minded, and, to be honest, somewhat insulting.
You suggest that time at work and family are the only important things
to women.
First off, working too many hours, and too much travel are
considerably MORE onerous when you DON'T have a family to back you up -
especially if
But that leaves out all of us that started off in a different (technical)
field (Math and OR in my case) and ended up here..
Janet
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Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote on 05/01/2012 02:24:57 AM:
From: Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com
To: Janet P Gunn/USA/CSC@CSC
Cc: Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com, ietf-
boun...@ietf.org ietf-boun...@ietf.org, IETF discussion list
ietf@ietf.org
Date: 05/01/2012 02:26 AM
Subject: Re
Daytona Bike Week is March 8 - 17.
Janet
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 12/29/2012 10:18:31 AM:
From: Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net
To: IETF Discussion ietf@ietf.org
Date: 12/29/2012 10:18 AM
Subject: travel guide for the next IETF...
Sent by: ietf-boun...@ietf.org
Going
We definitely had an acoustic coupler, with its own phone line, so my
father could work from home, in the mid and late 70s.
He worked for IBM Research. If there had been a more technically advanced
way of doing it, I am sure they would have used that.
There was not much general
Do none of you know what the phrase a modest proposal refers to?
Try googling it.
Janet
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 01/21/2013 11:57:22 PM:
From: William Jordan wjordan...@gmail.com
To: ietf@ietf.org
Date: 01/22/2013 12:01 AM
Subject: A modest proposal
Sent by: ietf-boun...@ietf.org
Considering how long and painful the retrofit (RFC 4412) for SIP was,
yes, I think it is important to plan for it early.
Janet
.
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 05/25/2013 03:10:07 AM:
From: Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net
To: James Polk jmp...@cisco.com
Cc: ietf@ietf.org list ietf@ietf.org
I am another remote participant who would like to be able to subscribe to
the meeting-specific mailing list.
I can skip (myself) the ones about coffee and cookies, but definitely
want to read the ones about schedule changes, etc.
And even the other messages give me a taste of what it would
the VAT paid anyway.
--
Michael Richardson mcr+i...@sandelman.ca, Sandelman Software Works
[attachment attpcwe7.dat deleted by Janet P Gunn/USA/CSC]
As someone who has done it both ways (in person and remotely) I have a
couple of comments.
Having the slides available early is an advantage to BOTH in-person and
remote participants.
As a remote participant I need the slides available about 30 min before
the session.
As a participant
On the other hand, I DO think that the number of remote participants
for a
particular session IS a useful parameter for how important is it to
have an
active jabber scribe and how important is it to make sure the audio
streaming is working well.
Agreed. Again, it strengthens the
08/16/2013 09:10:54 AM:
From: Hadriel Kaplan hadriel.kap...@oracle.com
...I want it from
people who can't get approval for even a $100 expense, from people
who are between jobs, people from academia, and even from just plain
ordinary users rather than just vendors or big corps.
I agree.
I agree with Hadriel (probably because we attend a lot of the same WGs)
that remote participants are not actively ignored.
The problem is that, with the time lag, and the need to type in your
comments in quickly, then relay them through the jabber scribe
A- the discussion has often moved on
...@ietf.org wrote on 08/16/2013 09:50:58 AM:
From: Janet P Gunn/USA/CSC@CSC
I agree with Hadriel (probably because we attend a lot of the same
WGs) that remote participants are not actively ignored.
The problem is that, with the time lag, and the need to type in your
comments
I expect _I_ would pay $100 out of my own pocket, if it came to that.
But not all remote participants would be able to.
Janet
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 08/16/2013 10:56:27 AM:
From: Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com
On 08/16/2013 09:38 AM, Janet P Gunn wrote:
...I want
From: Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com
Date: 08/25/2013 08:40 AM
...
The reward/motivation from IETF to participants is to
acknowledge in writting their efforts, which I think still the IETF
management still does not motivate/encourage.
I COMPLETELY disagree with this. The
As my mother used to say What you lose on the roundabouts
you gain on the swings
I had to go Google that. To save others the trouble: it seems to
refer to rides at a carnival, and mean whatever losses you suffer in
one place, you usually make up elsewhere, implying that it all
From: Randy Presuhn randy_pres...@mindspring.com
I had to google it as well. The word roundabout (in the
sense of traffic circle) led me to mistakenly think it
had something to do with navigating British streets, but
this seems to be where the idiom comes from:
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 09/08/2013 08:14:07 AM:
From: Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com
Another worrying aspect of BULLRUN is that it is named after a
victory for the confederate side in the US civil war.
But the battles are only called the (First or Second) Battle of Bull Run
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