Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
The commonly accepted definition of "unsolicited" is someone that you
don't have a first party relationship with. So if these are clients and
you include an unsubscribe, it's perfectly fine...if they are not, then
you and your clients are spammers. Regardless of which way you go, if
you send out enough E-mail you will be blacklisted, so never, ever, ever
do this from your mail server.
Matt
Steve Guluk wrote:
But yet in these economic times, mass mailing is a cheap means of
Marketing so many clients are looking to expand on this front.
Bulk can still be to their own mailing lists.
I'm thinking I may need to program something to send out small blasts
late at night with the proper DB opt-outs as a service for my clients.
On Dec 20, 2008, at 7:08 AM, Matt wrote:
Spam is E-mail that is both sent in bulk and is unsolicited. There
is no legitimate way to send E-mail that is sent in bulk and
unsolicited...WTF!
Matt
Adam Greene wrote:
Hey all,
Revisiting this topic ... one of our clients wants to be able to
send emails out to people who have not explicitly opted in to
receive their mailings. Most mass emailing companies I'm aware of
require opt-in and in particular don't allow emails to be sent to a
list of purchased email addresses. I can understand why -- who needs
more spam? I guess my question is ... how does a company
legitimately get their name and product out there without turning
into a spammer? Is anyone aware of mass emailing companies or even a
direct marketing company that uses legitimate means to do this, or
what those legitimate means are?
Maybe semi-OT for this list ...
Adam
- Original Message -
*From:* Adam Greene <mailto:maill...@webjogger.net>
*To:* Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
<mailto:Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:04 AM
*Subject:* Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
Steve,
We've been steering customers toward Emma (www.myemma.com
<http://www.myemma.com>). Customers still look to us for their
IT consulting needs, and get their basic (and advanced IMAP &
collaboration) email services from us. We have not found that
steering customers in this direction weakens our relationship
with the customer, but rather strengthens it as they get a good
mass email solution and don't have the constant headache /
stress of our not being able to service their mass email needs
smoothly. In many cases, we also manage their mass mailings for
them, for a fee (another source of income).
Thanks,
Adam
- Original Message -
*From:* Steve Guluk <mailto:st...@sgdesign.net>
*To:* Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
<mailto:Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:45 AM
*Subject:* [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
Hello,
As the economy prompts companies to do all they can to
market their products, email blasts are an attractive
inexpensive means to get marketing in front of many people.
Problem is, Blacklists from users that fail to subscribe to
whatever necessary standards are deemed essential to be a
legitimate email. And that one client can hurt the
other clients on the mail server that have nothing to do
with the offending clients mass mailing.
What do other server owners do? Tell the client no-way and
risk having them go elsewhere? I usually try to get them to
go to Constant Contact but some still push hard to use the
email account they have with me. I have a limitation of
50 recipients per email but what other resources are
available to us to help handle this condition in the best
manner?
What standards and policies do you do at your business?
Regards,
*Steve Guluk*
SGDesign
(949) 661-9333
Regards,
*Steve Guluk*
SGDesign
(949) 661-9333
Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
But yet in these economic times, mass mailing is a cheap means of Marketing so many clients are looking to expand on this front. Bulk can still be to their own mailing lists. I'm thinking I may need to program something to send out small blasts late at night with the proper DB opt-outs as a service for my clients. On Dec 20, 2008, at 7:08 AM, Matt wrote: Spam is E-mail that is both sent in bulk and is unsolicited. There is no legitimate way to send E-mail that is sent in bulk and unsolicited...WTF! Matt Adam Greene wrote: Hey all, Revisiting this topic ... one of our clients wants to be able to send emails out to people who have not explicitly opted in to receive their mailings. Most mass emailing companies I'm aware of require opt-in and in particular don't allow emails to be sent to a list of purchased email addresses. I can understand why -- who needs more spam? I guess my question is ... how does a company legitimately get their name and product out there without turning into a spammer? Is anyone aware of mass emailing companies or even a direct marketing company that uses legitimate means to do this, or what those legitimate means are? Maybe semi-OT for this list ... Adam - Original Message - From: Adam Greene To: Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails Steve, We've been steering customers toward Emma (www.myemma.com). Customers still look to us for their IT consulting needs, and get their basic (and advanced IMAP & collaboration) email services from us. We have not found that steering customers in this direction weakens our relationship with the customer, but rather strengthens it as they get a good mass email solution and don't have the constant headache / stress of our not being able to service their mass email needs smoothly. In many cases, we also manage their mass mailings for them, for a fee (another source of income). Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Steve Guluk To: Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails Hello, As the economy prompts companies to do all they can to market their products, email blasts are an attractive inexpensive means to get marketing in front of many people. Problem is, Blacklists from users that fail to subscribe to whatever necessary standards are deemed essential to be a legitimate email. And that one client can hurt the other clients on the mail server that have nothing to do with the offending clients mass mailing. What do other server owners do? Tell the client no-way and risk having them go elsewhere? I usually try to get them to go to Constant Contact but some still push hard to use the email account they have with me. I have a limitation of 50 recipients per email but what other resources are available to us to help handle this condition in the best manner? What standards and policies do you do at your business? Regards, Steve Guluk SGDesign (949) 661-9333 Regards, Steve Guluk SGDesign (949) 661-9333
Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
Spam is E-mail that is both sent in bulk and is unsolicited. There is
no legitimate way to send E-mail that is sent in bulk and unsolicited...WTF!
Matt
Adam Greene wrote:
Hey all,
Revisiting this topic ... one of our clients wants to be able to send
emails out to people who have not explicitly opted in to receive their
mailings. Most mass emailing companies I'm aware of require opt-in and
in particular don't allow emails to be sent to a list of purchased
email addresses. I can understand why -- who needs more spam? I guess
my question is ... how does a company legitimately get their name and
product out there without turning into a spammer? Is anyone aware of
mass emailing companies or even a direct marketing company that uses
legitimate means to do this, or what those legitimate means are?
Maybe semi-OT for this list ...
Adam
- Original Message -
*From:* Adam Greene <mailto:maill...@webjogger.net>
*To:* Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
<mailto:Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:04 AM
*Subject:* Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
Steve,
We've been steering customers toward Emma (www.myemma.com
<http://www.myemma.com>). Customers still look to us for their IT
consulting needs, and get their basic (and advanced IMAP &
collaboration) email services from us. We have not found that
steering customers in this direction weakens our relationship with
the customer, but rather strengthens it as they get a good mass
email solution and don't have the constant headache / stress of
our not being able to service their mass email needs smoothly. In
many cases, we also manage their mass mailings for them, for a fee
(another source of income).
Thanks,
Adam
- Original Message -
*From:* Steve Guluk <mailto:st...@sgdesign.net>
*To:* Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
<mailto:Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:45 AM
*Subject:* [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
Hello,
As the economy prompts companies to do all they can to market
their products, email blasts are an attractive inexpensive
means to get marketing in front of many people.
Problem is, Blacklists from users that fail to subscribe to
whatever necessary standards are deemed essential to be a
legitimate email. And that one client can hurt the
other clients on the mail server that have nothing to do with
the offending clients mass mailing.
What do other server owners do? Tell the client no-way and
risk having them go elsewhere? I usually try to get them to go
to Constant Contact but some still push hard to use the email
account they have with me. I have a limitation of
50 recipients per email but what other resources are available
to us to help handle this condition in the best manner?
What standards and policies do you do at your business?
Regards,
*Steve Guluk*
SGDesign
(949) 661-9333
Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
You know... I've been reporting this Robert Allen knucklehead for some
time now (to the FCC) and it seems the Federal Gov may have other fish
to fry than care about proper internet etiquette (opt outs being
honored etc) , even if it's their own laws. Is anyone else getting
overwhelms by Robert Allen emails that not even MessageSniffer cares
enough to write a rule to block?
On Dec 19, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Bruce Barnes wrote:
If you go and look at the Federal anti-spam laws they succinctly
state that
anyone having a PRIOR RELATIONSHIP with a customer may contact them
in any
manner - without prior permission and it is not spamming.
I do not agree with it, but if they have had any kind of contact
with the
company, made a purchase, filled out a form giving them their e-mail
address, ect, they can be legitimately placed on an e-mail list.
Note, too, that if they request such, the must be immediately
removed UNLESS
they have made a purchase from the source of the e-mail in which
case the
request can be legally ignored for a period of six months from the
date of
the purchase.
From: imail_forum-ow...@list.ipswitch.com
[mailto:imail_forum-ow...@list.ipswitch.com] On Behalf Of Adam Greene
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 15:45
To: Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
Hey all,
Revisiting this topic ... one of our clients wants to be able to
send emails
out to people who have not explicitly opted in to receive their
mailings.
Most mass emailing companies I'm aware of require opt-in and in
particular
don't allow emails to be sent to a list of purchased email
addresses. I can
understand why -- who needs more spam? I guess my question is ...
how does a
company legitimately get their name and product out there without
turning
into a spammer? Is anyone aware of mass emailing companies or even a
direct
marketing company that uses legitimate means to do this, or what those
legitimate means are?
Maybe semi-OT for this list ...
Adam
- Original Message -
From: Adam Greene <mailto:maill...@webjogger.net>
To: Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
Steve,
We've been steering customers toward Emma (www.myemma.com).
Customers still look to us for their IT consulting needs, and get
their
basic (and advanced IMAP & collaboration) email services from us. We
have
not found that steering customers in this direction weakens our
relationship
with the customer, but rather strengthens it as they get a good mass
email
solution and don't have the constant headache / stress of our not
being able
to service their mass email needs smoothly. In many cases, we also
manage
their mass mailings for them, for a fee (another source of income).
Thanks,
Adam
- Original Message -
From: Steve Guluk <mailto:st...@sgdesign.net>
To: Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:45 AM
Subject: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
Hello,
As the economy prompts companies to do all they can to
market their products, email blasts are an attractive inexpensive
means to
get marketing in front of many people.
Problem is, Blacklists from users that fail to subscribe to
whatever necessary standards are deemed essential to be a legitimate
email.
And that one client can hurt the other clients on the mail server
that have
nothing to do with the offending clients mass mailing.
What do other server owners do? Tell the client no-way and
risk having them go elsewhere? I usually try to get them to go to
Constant
Contact but some still push hard to use the email account they have
with me.
I have a limitation of 50 recipients per email but what other
resources are
available to us to help handle this condition in the best manner?
What standards and policies do you do at your business?
Regards,
Steve Guluk
SGDesign
(949) 661-9333
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Regards,
Steve Guluk
SGDesign
(949) 661-9333
RE: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
If you go and look at the Federal anti-spam laws they succinctly state that
anyone having a PRIOR RELATIONSHIP with a customer may contact them in any
manner - without prior permission and it is not spamming.
I do not agree with it, but if they have had any kind of contact with the
company, made a purchase, filled out a form giving them their e-mail
address, ect, they can be legitimately placed on an e-mail list.
Note, too, that if they request such, the must be immediately removed UNLESS
they have made a purchase from the source of the e-mail in which case the
request can be legally ignored for a period of six months from the date of
the purchase.
From: imail_forum-ow...@list.ipswitch.com
[mailto:imail_forum-ow...@list.ipswitch.com] On Behalf Of Adam Greene
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 15:45
To: Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
Hey all,
Revisiting this topic ... one of our clients wants to be able to send emails
out to people who have not explicitly opted in to receive their mailings.
Most mass emailing companies I'm aware of require opt-in and in particular
don't allow emails to be sent to a list of purchased email addresses. I can
understand why -- who needs more spam? I guess my question is ... how does a
company legitimately get their name and product out there without turning
into a spammer? Is anyone aware of mass emailing companies or even a direct
marketing company that uses legitimate means to do this, or what those
legitimate means are?
Maybe semi-OT for this list ...
Adam
- Original Message -
From: Adam Greene <mailto:maill...@webjogger.net>
To: Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
Steve,
We've been steering customers toward Emma (www.myemma.com).
Customers still look to us for their IT consulting needs, and get their
basic (and advanced IMAP & collaboration) email services from us. We have
not found that steering customers in this direction weakens our relationship
with the customer, but rather strengthens it as they get a good mass email
solution and don't have the constant headache / stress of our not being able
to service their mass email needs smoothly. In many cases, we also manage
their mass mailings for them, for a fee (another source of income).
Thanks,
Adam
- Original Message -
From: Steve Guluk <mailto:st...@sgdesign.net>
To: Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:45 AM
Subject: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
Hello,
As the economy prompts companies to do all they can to
market their products, email blasts are an attractive inexpensive means to
get marketing in front of many people.
Problem is, Blacklists from users that fail to subscribe to
whatever necessary standards are deemed essential to be a legitimate email.
And that one client can hurt the other clients on the mail server that have
nothing to do with the offending clients mass mailing.
What do other server owners do? Tell the client no-way and
risk having them go elsewhere? I usually try to get them to go to Constant
Contact but some still push hard to use the email account they have with me.
I have a limitation of 50 recipients per email but what other resources are
available to us to help handle this condition in the best manner?
What standards and policies do you do at your business?
Regards,
Steve Guluk
SGDesign
(949) 661-9333
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Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
Hey all, Revisiting this topic ... one of our clients wants to be able to send emails out to people who have not explicitly opted in to receive their mailings. Most mass emailing companies I'm aware of require opt-in and in particular don't allow emails to be sent to a list of purchased email addresses. I can understand why -- who needs more spam? I guess my question is ... how does a company legitimately get their name and product out there without turning into a spammer? Is anyone aware of mass emailing companies or even a direct marketing company that uses legitimate means to do this, or what those legitimate means are? Maybe semi-OT for this list ... Adam - Original Message - From: Adam Greene To: Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails Steve, We've been steering customers toward Emma (www.myemma.com). Customers still look to us for their IT consulting needs, and get their basic (and advanced IMAP & collaboration) email services from us. We have not found that steering customers in this direction weakens our relationship with the customer, but rather strengthens it as they get a good mass email solution and don't have the constant headache / stress of our not being able to service their mass email needs smoothly. In many cases, we also manage their mass mailings for them, for a fee (another source of income). Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Steve Guluk To: Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails Hello, As the economy prompts companies to do all they can to market their products, email blasts are an attractive inexpensive means to get marketing in front of many people. Problem is, Blacklists from users that fail to subscribe to whatever necessary standards are deemed essential to be a legitimate email. And that one client can hurt the other clients on the mail server that have nothing to do with the offending clients mass mailing. What do other server owners do? Tell the client no-way and risk having them go elsewhere? I usually try to get them to go to Constant Contact but some still push hard to use the email account they have with me. I have a limitation of 50 recipients per email but what other resources are available to us to help handle this condition in the best manner? What standards and policies do you do at your business? Regards, Steve Guluk SGDesign (949) 661-9333
RE: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
Hi All, I like icontact very much. So much I became a reseller and help set up my client to use it (so they don't kill our mail servers) :-) If you don't mind... use my link to get there. http://proweb-icontact.com - the guys that developed this are a neat bunch. I met them at a big internet conference in Austin, TX... there interface is easy to use and I think their prices are better than other systems that have the same functionality. Regards, Emily -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Ognenoff Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:01 AM To: Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails In the same vein, check out CampaignMonitor (http://www.campaignmonitor.com), their pricing is a little easier to digest than most ($5 + $0.01 per recipient) and you only pay when you send so there is no monthly fee. - Andy O. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:05 AM To: Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails Steve, We've been steering customers toward Emma (www.myemma.com). Customers still look to us for their IT consulting needs, and get their basic (and advanced IMAP & collaboration) email services from us. We have not found that steering customers in this direction weakens our relationship with the customer, but rather strengthens it as they get a good mass email solution and don't have the constant headache / stress of our not being able to service their mass email needs smoothly. In many cases, we also manage their mass mailings for them, for a fee (another source of income). Thanks, Adam To Unsubscribe: http://imailserver.com/support/discussion_list/ List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://imailserver.com/support/kb.html To Unsubscribe: http://imailserver.com/support/discussion_list/ List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://imailserver.com/support/kb.html
RE: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
In the same vein, check out CampaignMonitor (http://www.campaignmonitor.com), their pricing is a little easier to digest than most ($5 + $0.01 per recipient) and you only pay when you send so there is no monthly fee. - Andy O. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:05 AM To: Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails Steve, We've been steering customers toward Emma (www.myemma.com). Customers still look to us for their IT consulting needs, and get their basic (and advanced IMAP & collaboration) email services from us. We have not found that steering customers in this direction weakens our relationship with the customer, but rather strengthens it as they get a good mass email solution and don't have the constant headache / stress of our not being able to service their mass email needs smoothly. In many cases, we also manage their mass mailings for them, for a fee (another source of income). Thanks, Adam To Unsubscribe: http://imailserver.com/support/discussion_list/ List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://imailserver.com/support/kb.html
Re: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails
Steve, We've been steering customers toward Emma (www.myemma.com). Customers still look to us for their IT consulting needs, and get their basic (and advanced IMAP & collaboration) email services from us. We have not found that steering customers in this direction weakens our relationship with the customer, but rather strengthens it as they get a good mass email solution and don't have the constant headache / stress of our not being able to service their mass email needs smoothly. In many cases, we also manage their mass mailings for them, for a fee (another source of income). Thanks, Adam - Original Message - From: Steve Guluk To: Imail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: [IMail Forum] Clients want to send mass emails Hello, As the economy prompts companies to do all they can to market their products, email blasts are an attractive inexpensive means to get marketing in front of many people. Problem is, Blacklists from users that fail to subscribe to whatever necessary standards are deemed essential to be a legitimate email. And that one client can hurt the other clients on the mail server that have nothing to do with the offending clients mass mailing. What do other server owners do? Tell the client no-way and risk having them go elsewhere? I usually try to get them to go to Constant Contact but some still push hard to use the email account they have with me. I have a limitation of 50 recipients per email but what other resources are available to us to help handle this condition in the best manner? What standards and policies do you do at your business? Regards, Steve Guluk SGDesign (949) 661-9333
