Re: [Interest] Is 6.x finally there ??

[Volker Hilsheimer via Interest]

Rejoice!

Once https://codereview.qt-project.org/c/qt/qtbase/+/443474 has merged 
succesfully there’ll be a public API again that allows applications to extend 
the list of supported clipboard formats with Windows and mac/iOS specific 
converter implementations.

Feedback very much welcome.

Volker


> On 23 Oct 2022, at 21:29, Volker Hilsheimer via Interest 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for pointing those out Bill, I did not have those helpers from the Qt 
> 5 Extras on my radar. Will check where we are with those.
> 
> 
> Volker
> 
> 
>> On 21 Oct 2022, at 23:18, Bill Jones  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Volker,
>> 
>> Another missing module in Qt 6.x that is very important to desktop 
>> applications is clipboard support. 
>> 
>> https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-93632
>> 
>> Without cross platform (at least MacOS and Windows) we will never be able to 
>> move from 5.15.x to Qt 6. This is an absolute necessity for us and I have 
>> not seen any progress on this issue. I apologize if I seem a little 
>> strident, but my questions to support have not gotten any movement on this.
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Volker Hilsheimer via Interest 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 On 20 Oct 2022, at 22:35, Scott Bloom  wrote:
 
 I haven’t been following the 6.x progress very much.  Only because it was 
 clear 6.0 and 6.1 were not ready to replace all the functionality of 5.x
 
 However, with 6.4 it appears that all functionality that is going to be 
 brought forward, has been completed.  Is that true? Or is there sill 
 chunks of 5.x missing (that will be brought forward) ?
 
 Scott
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The only module that is not officially available in Qt 6 yet, and that we 
>>> still want to bring back in some form, is Qt Location. Work is progressing 
>>> on that module [1].
>>> 
>>> [1] https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-96795
>>> 
>>> There are some modules that currently live only in Qt5Compat, such as Qt 
>>> Graphical Effects. We’re working on a replacement for that as well [2], 
>>> addressing some of the deficiencies of it Qt Graphical Effects, but if you 
>>> were happy with things in Qt 5, then the types in Qt5Compat as they are are 
>>> perfectly fine to use.
>>> 
>>> [2] https://www.qt.io/blog/introducing-qt-quick-effect-maker
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, unless you depend on Qt Location, there’s no point in waiting. And if 
>>> you do - we’ll soon share more updates on our blog.
>>> 
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Re: [Interest] Is 6.x finally there ??

[Roland Hughes via Interest]

On 10/27/22 03:09, Volker Hilsheimer wrote:

Yo Roland,

What makes you think that Qt 6 has no clipboard support? You obviously 
didn’t bother with opening the referenced JIRA ticket.

What Bill pointed out as missing are the platform-specific classes that 
facilitate the integration of platform specific clipboard formats on Windows 
and macOS into Qt’s mime-based framework. Qt supports clipboard operations for 
common mime types just fine.
And when you are working in VMs, cutting and pasting between different 
operating systems into text editors and word processors for notes and/or 
FDA regulated documentation, what you think is "text" turns out to be 
platform specific mime types.

Note that the basyskom blog is based on Qt 6.0. We are at Qt 6.4 now, and I 
would anyway almost think that you didn’t read it, given your implication that 
it must have been somehow difficult to port to this trunk-sized, clipboard-less 
Qt 6.
I read it and pointed them to a valid starting point. If you want the 
blog writer to update their post for every dot-release of Qt, take it up 
with them.


Indeed, what your clients do or don’t do would be a lot more interesting if we 
could assume that they get their information from someone who’s at least trying 
to keep up ;)

Until a paying customer actually has a project with Qt, there is little 
reason to remain up-to-the-minute. The only medical device company I 
know of still using Qt is the infusion pump group at Baxter. You can see 
how 2022 went for them yourself.


Cheers,

Roland

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Re: [Interest] Is 6.x finally there ??

[Alejandro Exojo]

On Thu, Oct 27, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Volker Hilsheimer via Interest wrote:
> What makes you think that Qt 6 has no clipboard support? You obviously didn’t 
> bother with opening the referenced JIRA ticket.
> (...)
> Indeed, what your clients do or don’t do would be a lot more interesting if 
> we could assume that they get their information from someone who’s at least 
> trying to keep up ;)

He also said in the other email that he doesn't do Windows or Mac 
development... so go figure what amount of insight he has on the topic of 
desktop application development.

Given that it's a person that:

- Hardly brings anything productive to the conversation, and can be borderline 
trolling.
- Is incapable of using an email client that sends replies to the mailing list, 
instead of sending new messages, making all his messages much more prominent 
than needed, because it's like starting tons of new threads.
- Has already a history of being toxic to the community, being pretty much 
directly responsible of at least an important community member leaving the list.

I would humbly bring up the topic of some moderator action.

I don't know if the previous mess that he caused ended up with a "soft ban" for 
some months, or that did not happen. I'm not saying that a ban is deserved now, 
but some kind of warning, maybe.

Let me add that I can say that my interest in the, ahem, Interest mailing list 
has declined. This mailing list used to be incredibly useful, and much more 
active. Now, not so much, and interactions with certain people make it even 
worse. Seeing all this improductive posts makes me wonder if I should even 
unsubscribe to avoid getting frustrated each time I peek at the topics.

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Re: [Interest] Is 6.x finally there ??

[Christoph Cullmann (cullmann.io) via Interest]

On 2022-10-27 10:09, Volker Hilsheimer via Interest wrote:

Yo Roland,

On 26 Oct 2022, at 20:52, Roland Hughes via Interest 
 wrote:

On 20 Oct 2022, at 22:35, Scott Bloom 
 wrote:

I haven?t been following the 6.x progress very much.  Only because 
it was clear 6.0 and 6.1 were not ready to replace all the 
functionality of 5.x


However, with 6.4 it appears that all functionality that is going to 
be brought forward, has been completed.  Is that true? Or is there 
sill chunks of 5.x missing (that will be brought forward) ?


Scott


Hello Scott,

I feel compelled to point out only developers creating Qt responded 
with "Good to Go!". In particular the sticky wicket would be this 
quote


"and that we still want to bring back in some form"

Qt 6 has become the rental car company definition of "full sized" 
which now fits in the trunk of what most customers would call "full 
sized." They mentioned QtLocation and Bill Jones brought up


"Another missing module in Qt 6.x that is very important to desktop 
applications is clipboard support."


I don't know how anyone could create a desktop application without any 
form of clipboard support since users like to select from text file 
and paste answers into fields, especially if they are scraping answers 
out of an email or something like that.



What makes you think that Qt 6 has no clipboard support? You obviously 
didn’t bother with opening the referenced JIRA ticket.


What Bill pointed out as missing are the platform-specific classes that 
facilitate the integration of platform specific clipboard formats on 
Windows and macOS into Qt’s mime-based framework. Qt supports clipboard 
operations for common mime types just fine.




You should probably also check here:

https://blog.basyskom.com/2021/porting-a-qt-5-application-to-qt-6/



Note that the basyskom blog is based on Qt 6.0. We are at Qt 6.4 now, 
and I would anyway almost think that you didn’t read it, given your 
implication that it must have been somehow difficult to port to this 
trunk-sized, clipboard-less Qt 6.



Not that it matters to you, but not one of my clients is moving to Qt 
6. Legacy products will continue to be maintained with Qt 4.8 custom 
spins as well as Qt 5.x custom spins but no new development will occur 
using Qt. That has been the feedback from one and all.



Indeed, what your clients do or don’t do would be a lot more 
interesting if we could assume that they get their information from 
someone who’s at least trying to keep up ;)


Hi,

I am totally unrelated to the Qt company.

I can only speak for myself, but I and colleagues successfully used now 
Qt 6.x on Linux, Windows and macOS (both x86 and ARM) and at least for 
us the most glitches

we did have with Qt 6 vanished with Qt 6.2 or 6.3.

And so far my early tries with Qt 6.x in the KDE project look fine, too.

And for the glitches we found, normally the people on the Qt side of the 
bug tracker were really helpful.


I somehow feel sad to always read these mails here that Qt 6 is totally 
useless, 
Naturally everybody can have his/her/... own opinion, but it would be 
nice to not get it repeated here XXX times all over.


Greetings
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Re: [Interest] Is 6.x finally there ??

[Volker Hilsheimer via Interest]

Yo Roland,

> On 26 Oct 2022, at 20:52, Roland Hughes via Interest 
>  wrote:
>>> On 20 Oct 2022, at 22:35, Scott Bloom 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I haven?t been following the 6.x progress very much.  Only because it was 
>>> clear 6.0 and 6.1 were not ready to replace all the functionality of 5.x
>>>  
>>> However, with 6.4 it appears that all functionality that is going to be 
>>> brought forward, has been completed.  Is that true? Or is there sill chunks 
>>> of 5.x missing (that will be brought forward) ?
>>>  
>>> Scott
>>> 
> Hello Scott,
> 
> I feel compelled to point out only developers creating Qt responded with 
> "Good to Go!". In particular the sticky wicket would be this quote
> 
> "and that we still want to bring back in some form"
> 
> Qt 6 has become the rental car company definition of "full sized" which now 
> fits in the trunk of what most customers would call "full sized." They 
> mentioned QtLocation and Bill Jones brought up
> 
> "Another missing module in Qt 6.x that is very important to desktop 
> applications is clipboard support."
> 
> I don't know how anyone could create a desktop application without any form 
> of clipboard support since users like to select from text file and paste 
> answers into fields, especially if they are scraping answers out of an email 
> or something like that.


What makes you think that Qt 6 has no clipboard support? You obviously didn’t 
bother with opening the referenced JIRA ticket.

What Bill pointed out as missing are the platform-specific classes that 
facilitate the integration of platform specific clipboard formats on Windows 
and macOS into Qt’s mime-based framework. Qt supports clipboard operations for 
common mime types just fine.


> You should probably also check here:
> 
> https://blog.basyskom.com/2021/porting-a-qt-5-application-to-qt-6/


Note that the basyskom blog is based on Qt 6.0. We are at Qt 6.4 now, and I 
would anyway almost think that you didn’t read it, given your implication that 
it must have been somehow difficult to port to this trunk-sized, clipboard-less 
Qt 6.


> Not that it matters to you, but not one of my clients is moving to Qt 6. 
> Legacy products will continue to be maintained with Qt 4.8 custom spins as 
> well as Qt 5.x custom spins but no new development will occur using Qt. That 
> has been the feedback from one and all.


Indeed, what your clients do or don’t do would be a lot more interesting if we 
could assume that they get their information from someone who’s at least trying 
to keep up ;)


Cheers,
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Re: [Interest] Is 6.x finally there ??

[Roland Hughes via Interest]

On 20 Oct 2022, at 22:35, Scott Bloom  wrote:

I haven?t been following the 6.x progress very much.  Only because it was clear 
6.0 and 6.1 were not ready to replace all the functionality of 5.x
  
However, with 6.4 it appears that all functionality that is going to be brought forward, has been completed.  Is that true? Or is there sill chunks of 5.x missing (that will be brought forward) ?
  
Scott


Hello Scott,

I feel compelled to point out only developers creating Qt responded with 
"Good to Go!". In particular the sticky wicket would be this quote


"and that we still want to bring back in some form"

Qt 6 has become the rental car company definition of "full sized" which 
now fits in the trunk of what most customers would call "full sized." 
They mentioned QtLocation and Bill Jones brought up


"Another missing module in Qt 6.x that is very important to desktop 
applications is clipboard support."


I don't know how anyone could create a desktop application without any 
form of clipboard support since users like to select from text file and 
paste answers into fields, especially if they are scraping answers out 
of an email or something like that.


You should probably also check here:

https://blog.basyskom.com/2021/porting-a-qt-5-application-to-qt-6/

Not that it matters to you, but not one of my clients is moving to Qt 6. 
Legacy products will continue to be maintained with Qt 4.8 custom spins 
as well as Qt 5.x custom spins but no new development will occur using 
Qt. That has been the feedback from one and all.


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Re: [Interest] Is 6.x finally there ??

[Volker Hilsheimer via Interest]

Thanks for pointing those out Bill, I did not have those helpers from the Qt 5 
Extras on my radar. Will check where we are with those.


Volker


> On 21 Oct 2022, at 23:18, Bill Jones  wrote:
> 
> Hi Volker,
> 
> Another missing module in Qt 6.x that is very important to desktop 
> applications is clipboard support. 
> 
> https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-93632
> 
> Without cross platform (at least MacOS and Windows) we will never be able to 
> move from 5.15.x to Qt 6. This is an absolute necessity for us and I have not 
> seen any progress on this issue. I apologize if I seem a little strident, but 
> my questions to support have not gotten any movement on this.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Volker Hilsheimer via Interest 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 20 Oct 2022, at 22:35, Scott Bloom  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I haven’t been following the 6.x progress very much.  Only because it was 
>>> clear 6.0 and 6.1 were not ready to replace all the functionality of 5.x
>>> 
>>> However, with 6.4 it appears that all functionality that is going to be 
>>> brought forward, has been completed.  Is that true? Or is there sill chunks 
>>> of 5.x missing (that will be brought forward) ?
>>> 
>>> Scott
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> 
>> The only module that is not officially available in Qt 6 yet, and that we 
>> still want to bring back in some form, is Qt Location. Work is progressing 
>> on that module [1].
>> 
>> [1] https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-96795
>> 
>> There are some modules that currently live only in Qt5Compat, such as Qt 
>> Graphical Effects. We’re working on a replacement for that as well [2], 
>> addressing some of the deficiencies of it Qt Graphical Effects, but if you 
>> were happy with things in Qt 5, then the types in Qt5Compat as they are are 
>> perfectly fine to use.
>> 
>> [2] https://www.qt.io/blog/introducing-qt-quick-effect-maker
>> 
>> 
>> So, unless you depend on Qt Location, there’s no point in waiting. And if 
>> you do - we’ll soon share more updates on our blog.
>> 
>> Volker
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Re: [Interest] Is 6.x finally there ??

[Scott Bloom]

@Bill Jones<mailto:jo...@synergy.com>,

Thanks.  That would have been a major issue for my group

Scott

From: Bill Jones 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 2:18 PM
To: interest@qt-project.org
Cc: Scott Bloom ; Volker Hilsheimer 
Subject: Re: [Interest] Is 6.x finally there ??

Hi Volker,

Another missing module in Qt 6.x that is very important to desktop applications 
is clipboard support.

https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-93632

Without cross platform (at least MacOS and Windows) we will never be able to 
move from 5.15.x to Qt 6. This is an absolute necessity for us and I have not 
seen any progress on this issue. I apologize if I seem a little strident, but 
my questions to support have not gotten any movement on this.

Bill



On Oct 21, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Volker Hilsheimer via Interest 
mailto:interest@qt-project.org>> wrote:

On 20 Oct 2022, at 22:35, Scott Bloom 
mailto:sc...@towel42.com>> wrote:

I haven’t been following the 6.x progress very much.  Only because it was clear 
6.0 and 6.1 were not ready to replace all the functionality of 5.x

However, with 6.4 it appears that all functionality that is going to be brought 
forward, has been completed.  Is that true? Or is there sill chunks of 5.x 
missing (that will be brought forward) ?

Scott

Hi Scott,


The only module that is not officially available in Qt 6 yet, and that we still 
want to bring back in some form, is Qt Location. Work is progressing on that 
module [1].

[1] https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-96795

There are some modules that currently live only in Qt5Compat, such as Qt 
Graphical Effects. We’re working on a replacement for that as well [2], 
addressing some of the deficiencies of it Qt Graphical Effects, but if you were 
happy with things in Qt 5, then the types in Qt5Compat as they are are 
perfectly fine to use.

[2] https://www.qt.io/blog/introducing-qt-quick-effect-maker


So, unless you depend on Qt Location, there’s no point in waiting. And if you 
do - we’ll soon share more updates on our blog.

Volker

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Re: [Interest] Is 6.x finally there ??

[Bill Jones]

Hi Volker,

Another missing module in Qt 6.x that is very important to desktop applications 
is clipboard support.

https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-93632

Without cross platform (at least MacOS and Windows) we will never be able to 
move from 5.15.x to Qt 6. This is an absolute necessity for us and I have not 
seen any progress on this issue. I apologize if I seem a little strident, but 
my questions to support have not gotten any movement on this.

Bill


On Oct 21, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Volker Hilsheimer via Interest 
mailto:interest@qt-project.org>> wrote:

On 20 Oct 2022, at 22:35, Scott Bloom 
mailto:sc...@towel42.com>> wrote:

I haven’t been following the 6.x progress very much.  Only because it was clear 
6.0 and 6.1 were not ready to replace all the functionality of 5.x

However, with 6.4 it appears that all functionality that is going to be brought 
forward, has been completed.  Is that true? Or is there sill chunks of 5.x 
missing (that will be brought forward) ?

Scott

Hi Scott,


The only module that is not officially available in Qt 6 yet, and that we still 
want to bring back in some form, is Qt Location. Work is progressing on that 
module [1].

[1] https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-96795

There are some modules that currently live only in Qt5Compat, such as Qt 
Graphical Effects. We’re working on a replacement for that as well [2], 
addressing some of the deficiencies of it Qt Graphical Effects, but if you were 
happy with things in Qt 5, then the types in Qt5Compat as they are are 
perfectly fine to use.

[2] https://www.qt.io/blog/introducing-qt-quick-effect-maker


So, unless you depend on Qt Location, there’s no point in waiting. And if you 
do - we’ll soon share more updates on our blog.

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Re: [Interest] Is 6.x finally there ??

[Scott Bloom]

Thanks for the reply!  Ill let the team know

-Original Message-
From: Volker Hilsheimer  
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 7:01 AM
To: Scott Bloom 
Cc: interest@qt-project.org
Subject: Re: [Interest] Is 6.x finally there ??

> On 20 Oct 2022, at 22:35, Scott Bloom  wrote:
> 
> I haven’t been following the 6.x progress very much.  Only because it was 
> clear 6.0 and 6.1 were not ready to replace all the functionality of 5.x
>  
> However, with 6.4 it appears that all functionality that is going to be 
> brought forward, has been completed.  Is that true? Or is there sill chunks 
> of 5.x missing (that will be brought forward) ?
>  
> Scott

Hi Scott,


The only module that is not officially available in Qt 6 yet, and that we still 
want to bring back in some form, is Qt Location. Work is progressing on that 
module [1].

[1] https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-96795

There are some modules that currently live only in Qt5Compat, such as Qt 
Graphical Effects. We’re working on a replacement for that as well [2], 
addressing some of the deficiencies of it Qt Graphical Effects, but if you were 
happy with things in Qt 5, then the types in Qt5Compat as they are are 
perfectly fine to use.

[2] https://www.qt.io/blog/introducing-qt-quick-effect-maker


So, unless you depend on Qt Location, there’s no point in waiting. And if you 
do - we’ll soon share more updates on our blog.

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Re: [Interest] Is 6.x finally there ??

[Volker Hilsheimer via Interest]

> On 20 Oct 2022, at 22:35, Scott Bloom  wrote:
> 
> I haven’t been following the 6.x progress very much.  Only because it was 
> clear 6.0 and 6.1 were not ready to replace all the functionality of 5.x
>  
> However, with 6.4 it appears that all functionality that is going to be 
> brought forward, has been completed.  Is that true? Or is there sill chunks 
> of 5.x missing (that will be brought forward) ?
>  
> Scott

Hi Scott,


The only module that is not officially available in Qt 6 yet, and that we still 
want to bring back in some form, is Qt Location. Work is progressing on that 
module [1].

[1] https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-96795

There are some modules that currently live only in Qt5Compat, such as Qt 
Graphical Effects. We’re working on a replacement for that as well [2], 
addressing some of the deficiencies of it Qt Graphical Effects, but if you were 
happy with things in Qt 5, then the types in Qt5Compat as they are are 
perfectly fine to use.

[2] https://www.qt.io/blog/introducing-qt-quick-effect-maker


So, unless you depend on Qt Location, there’s no point in waiting. And if you 
do - we’ll soon share more updates on our blog.

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