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So let me get this straight, you are complaining that all the new
features and changes in the 5.3.0 alpha releases are not perfectly
documented yet?
If that is the case I really wonder how you managed to survive the
releases before?
Let me just give you a break down of how much
. Then you have
to go back and add use statement for each internal class in each of
your files. Lot's of fun that would be.
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people on this list to
make sure they use language that encourages people from coming out of
the shadows on this topic, rather than scaring them off.
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On 31.08.2008, at 15:37, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
Hello all,
All the recent discussions about namespaces, have left many of us
wondering if our implementation is rock solid or not. However the
discussions were not really well organized. This is why I am
thankful that Marcus and Felipe
with the namespace discussion this
week. Johannes and I will then decide if we do alpha3 or beta1 next
over the weekend and publish a schedule next Monday.
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ext/soap does not use ext/libxml and therefore ignores my
libxml_set_stream_context() and libxml_use_internal_errors()
preferences?
Seems like something that would be nice to have fixed someday. Should
this be logged as a feature request?
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this, but I am quite
positive that bringing this discussion to a slightly more formal level
will give us a chance to make sure that in the end we can release PHP
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[1] http://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespacecurlies
[2] http
on line 1
CATCHED: SOAP-ERROR: Parsing WSDL: Couldn't load from 'non-
existent' : failed to load external entity non-existent
SoapServer does fatal errors, but it souldn't be a problem, because
servers use their own WSDL files which may be fixed.
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clear bug and build fixes. With a beta1 hopefully to follow
within 2-3 weeks. We will then see how soon we can move to RC stage. A
release in October seems optimistic at this point, but not totally
undoable. But things might have to slip into early November.
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On 07.08.2008, at 21:22, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
After speaking with several people about their todo items [1],
Johannes and I have settled on the 28th of August for the alpha2
release. We will package on the 27th. Seems like we have a good
chance for getting the open items completed
the
process we currently have (few people caring about Windows
compatibility of the code they submitted and therefore requiring the
php windows team to do the work for them), then bring it up (maybe
this is yet another reason for DVCS or whatever).
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]=
+ int(-2)
+ [uquux]=
+ int(0)
+}
+
+*** Testing array_reduce() to null ***
+unicode(19) foofoobarquxquxquux
+NULL
+
+Done
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Hope we havent missed any other we need to make this stuff complete ..
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Just as a clarification, it is Johannes and my understanding that this
is not targeted for inclusion into 5.3.0.
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@Greg: can you provide any further context information?
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. It
does not really make sense to start defining namespaces in templates
just to get around that warning.
I guess most of the time those using OP caches know what they are
doing.
So why should a warning be triggered here?
Thats a pretty big assumption.
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On 14.08.2008, at 00:09, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
On 13.08.2008, at 22:18, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
Simply include a script from two locations with different
namespaces or one
with namespace and the otherone without.
I'm afraid you misunderstand how namespaces work. As I explained
On 14.08.2008, at 00:54, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
Gregory Beaver wrote:
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
On 13.08.2008, at 22:18, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
Simply include a script from two locations with different
namespaces
or one
with namespace and the otherone without.
I'm afraid you
. They should
spend their open source brain cycles on fixing bugs not in this thread.
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On 12.08.2008, at 17:54, Antony Dovgal wrote:
On 12.08.2008 19:35, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
If we, the RMs, see that these extensions are not yet ready, we
will not hesitate to pull any of them. We will make such a
decision before we go into the RC phase. Until then it would be
only
that this will not be necessary.
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Hi,
I am sorry, but I cannot keep up with this thread. Is anyone even
presenting novel arguments? This is why I asked for a vote and not
more discussion. I guess my mistake was for asking for a summary.
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, that you use the [DOC] tag so that things get documented
(and adding a note to the 5.3 upgrading scratch pad [1] would also be
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would summarize the discussion (or maybe two people,
one from each camp) and then we can have a vote. Make it an RFC or
whatever. But this is definitely the last time we are going to vote on
the curly brackets stuff for namespaces in 5.3.
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a result of this change?
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I was just going to propose you :)
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guess starting with the beta we should have an UPGRADE file though.
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On 06.08.2008, at 17:18, Jani Taskinen wrote:
Lukas Kahwe Smith kirjoitti:
On 06.08.2008, at 07:34, Jani Taskinen wrote:
janiWed Aug 6 05:34:55 2008 UTC
Modified files:
/php-src/ext/sessionsession.c
/php-src/ext/session/testssession_decode_variation3.phpt
.. at least
nobody said it shouldnt, and brian and tony said it should ..
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This method also deals with case sensitivity. The API is not really a
beauty, but it gets the job done.
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still not MFH'ed .. or?
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. Of course if the item is already complete please also let
us know.
Furthermore if you feel an item still needs discussion please feel
free to open a new thread to discuss the item.
Finally if something is missing please also shoot an email.
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they want to include (like not all drivers of a DBAL).
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in libs from all sorts of libraries, add plugins etc.
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On 04.08.2008, at 11:42, Andrey Hristov wrote:
Hi,
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
On 04.08.2008, at 10:41, Marcus Boerger wrote:
Hello Lukas,
Monday, August 4, 2008, 10:32:26 AM, you wrote:
On 04.08.2008, at 10:28, Stefan Priebsch wrote:
Hannes Magnusson schrieb:
I don't think anyone
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Hello!
Johannes has packed PHP 5.3.0alpha1 yesterday evening, which you can
find here:
http://downloads.php.net/johannes/
Please test it carefully, and report any bugs in the bug system, but
only if you have a short reproducable test case. The final release is
expected sometime between
own /
use another
The entire intl extension is already ready in the 5.3 branch. So you
can test it out from CVS today!
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the next PHP version after 5.3.0.
we still need to agree about the syntax of how to deal with
collisions, as this is the key point of this proposal. its not support
to be magical .. its supposed to be explicit.
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this committed over the
weekend. Johannes did a quick review and it seems like it has enough
support from people and is low risk enough to get committed now. Lets
hope no extension stumbled over this one ..
@Dmitry: Can you get this applied today?
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coffin.
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would be the only 5.3.0 release mentioned on php.net before
5.3.0 stable).
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confusion. The correct
way of comparing would obviously be using ===, that won't cause these
hickups.
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the deprecation flags as is in HEAD and 5.3.
Could you also update the http://wiki.php.net/doc/scratchpad/upgrade/
53 page?
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not
have any more feature engine additions and only very specific self
contained extensions would be allowed to see feature additions (if
they are nodded off by the RMs).
Bug fixes are another story of course ..
Is this ok with everybody? Any stumbling blocks?
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for and people
that want to do the right thing can use an error handler to make sure
they change their code to do the right thing.
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On 27.07.2008, at 15:07, Knut Urdalen wrote:
Hi David,
That would be great! Currently I need to call the WSDL-file two
times to be able to handle the exception.
Resolution of this issue is scheduled for alpha2 (around mid to end of
August).
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, we really really
really need someone that looks after PDO).
Of course there are also still tons of open 5.2 bugs [1] :(
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task of many):
http://wiki.php.net/vcs/cvstosvnmigration
In case anyone has any other documents to store in regards to this
general topic it should go into the vcs namespace as well.
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in the fopen wrapper change
Can we get a quick in formal vote on each of the above items?
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On 26.07.2008, at 22:17, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
On 26.07.2008, at 13:02, Johannes Schlüter wrote:
- undeprecate ticks: as long as we have no replacement for the signal
handling we shouldn't deprecate the only way to do that.
crashes with ticks. Tony says he is using tick's and we do
into the central svn repository.
However I think we should provide the infrastructure for developers to
setup a dvcs. I dont know if we want to standardize on a specific one.
But collaboration on exterimental stuff that requires a dvcs should be
possible on php.net servers.
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The git and hg integration with svn is also good so any developer
who
prefers to have a local repository can very easily use either git or
hg and easily merge into the central svn repository.
However I think we
(think re2c, PDO_MYSQLND, etc. pp.)
BTW: I talked to some mercurial developers at a recent google code
event here in Zurich. They said that their svn bridging is still not
at the same level as that of git, but its being actively addressed.
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to standardize on a specific dvcs or we have to start offering
mirrors for all candidates.
Hope I am not too far off-base with these observations ..
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Did you yet? :)
yes .. it has been commited.
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On 25.07.2008, at 12:41, Scott MacVicar wrote:
On 25 Jul 2008, at 10:58, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
On 25.07.2008, at 11:46, Marcus Boerger wrote:
I mean that if several people work on a changeset, that they still
might want to have a join central repo. Of course dvcs allows
direct
-reflection/reflection-closure-fixes-6.patch
if this isnt commited yet .. could someone handle this ASAP?
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be implemented in a future PHP version. IMHO.
I agree that both are not super high priority. So lets keep them for
5.4/6.0, ok?
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Hi,
This is just a reminder from your friendly co-RMs that the PHP 5.3
feature freeze is rapidly approaching:
http://wiki.php.net/todo/php53
As you can see there are still a bunch of open topics. For the very
important ones we have tried to contact the authors and work out a
schedule to
affect windows? Is this planned
to go into 5.3?
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A frequent use case is merging a multi dimensional configuration array
with a multi dimensional array containing defaults. At the same time I
cannot find a single use case for the current array_merge_recursive().
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done any rules .. just common sense. if you create
a new page in the rfc namespace, it already comes up with a template
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}
}
}
to be able to catch that problem as an Exception.
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Hi,
why do I get warnings when I have failures in my ext/soap ctor?
try {
$client = new SoapClient('http://i_dont_exist.com/some.wsdl',
array('exceptions' = true));
} catch
that there is a use case.
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On 22.07.2008, at 08:04, Dmitry Stogov wrote:
Please show me the patch before commit (the last patch I saw wasn't
good enough).
err which patch?
i just suggested to go with the status quo for namespaces in alpha1.
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should be removed)
Hmm .. am I right to assume that phar is currently only being
developed in 5.3 and HEAD is kept out of sync?
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a closure using the cloning keyword:
$a = function(){};
$b = clone $a;
This makes it hard to make a copy of the closure because of objects
always are
passed by reference.
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1) Closures on class properties just don't work, the only way to do
it is
to do something like:
$c = $a-b;
$c();
Calling: $a-b(); will result in method A::B() does not exists.
would be nice to get this fixed, but at worst it should
://lars.schokokeks.org/php/E_USER_DEPRECATED.diff
HEAD: http://lars.schokokeks.org/php/E_USER_DEPRECATED-HEAD.diff
Can someone with ZE karma commit this for Lars?
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that being said, on the page i only see benchmarks with artificial
data/code. did you also run some benchmarks again some popular php
applications so see what the real world benefits are in terms of
requests per second?
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I had a chat with Etienne and Stas on IRC to try and figure out how to
approach things. We decided that its best to go with only having
parent:: be forwarding for alpha1. Depending on user feedback we might
revisit the topic, but for now it seems that with this solution the
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this fixed for alpha1, but if no one has time
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it will probably not make the cut by the 24th
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users looking to get super
stream lined binaries, with the work by the windows team its more
feasible than ever to make your own binaries (or have someone else do
it for them).
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they are exposed to closures we might want to
add this in 5.4/6.0?
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a piecemeal fashion.
someone already took care of this job. i presume its pretty complete,
since all cases should be easily greppable. try out 5.3 and lets us
know if you find any places that still need to be migrated.
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that the exact output is dependent on the full path of the
relevant script
phpt provides a fair amount of ways to make the expected result dynamic.
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with autoload? You sound like autoload is somehow
contrary to performance, which is not true.
There is nothing wrong with autoload. However it adds overhead so if
you want super duper high performance, you use explicit includes/
requires with absolute paths instead.
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On 16.07.2008, at 16:13, Christopher Jones wrote:
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
On 16.07.2008, at 00:50, Christopher Jones wrote:
We could still support older Oracle versions with an optional
download. If we want to be super fancy, we might even include a
note
in an error message when
by
Marcus/Etienne.
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that is
rarely useful is just needlessly confusing, because it makes you think
there is something you are missing.
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breaking features in the
first couple patch releases. So stuff like this could also just wait
for 5.3.x (where 0 x 5). so in this context future php releases
means any php release after 5.3.0
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On 15.07.2008, at 23:09, Christopher Jones wrote:
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
In our dreams someone would also make PDO a focus area, since the
number
of open bugs is getting ridiculous. This is also a call to the
general
community to try and help to find a PDO maintainer. In the mean
On 14.07.2008, at 11:29, Ulf Wendel wrote:
Lars Strojny schrieb:
Hi Lukas, hi Johannes,
Am Freitag, den 11.07.2008, 11:59 +0200 schrieb Lukas Kahwe Smith:
- MySQLnd
what's with PDO MySQLnd, will it be part of 5.3?
We did a tough development sprint in the last weeks to make the
patch
months. Its been only a development sprint that made me
getting back to PHP.
there are also a few in PECL:
http://pecl.php.net/bugs/search.php?
cmd=displaystatus=Openpackage_name[]=PDO_mysql
generally all of PDO suffers from the lack of maintainers ..
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