Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Under Discussion] Constants in traits

, and avoid silent bugs. Please take everything I say with an extra pinch of salt. It has been a long time. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr School of Computing, University of Kent https://stefan-marr.de/research/ -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: https://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Complete traits redesign for 5.5

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits behavior still up in the air in 5.4

. And I do not find it in the docs either. static properties should work like normal properties. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits behavior still up in the air in 5.4

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits behavior still up in the air in 5.4

patch, or, you open a new thread and propose a change, start an RFC, and all that jazz. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits behavior still up in the air in 5.4

a E_STRICT warning. That's what we can do for the moment. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFCs and organisation

of semantics - a patch And then based on discussion: - FAQ or common misconceptions - alternative proposals - rejected features - change log Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32

Re: [PHP-DEV] Enforcing final in traits

as hints for the standard usage of a trait, but can be changed during composition. Thanks Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP Internals

Re: [PHP-DEV] Git Migration: Status Update for Todays Migration

Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Git Migration: Status Update

? Thanks Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] HEADS UP: 5.4 branch is open again

Hi: On 02 Mar 2012, at 01:33, David Soria Parra wrote: just a heads up. The PHP_5_4 branch is open for commits again. Thanks to Stat and you for all the work! When is cycle for 5.4.1 going to start? I got a few traits-related patches waiting for it. Thanks Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software

Re: [PHP-DEV] Bug #61033 __FUNCTION__ doesn't report correctly in alias trait methods

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[PHP-DEV] Test execution and created files

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Urgent patch for traits in PHP 5.4

, but the code seems to look good and the tests are there and work, too. Thanks Dmitry! Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] Urgent patch for traits in PHP 5.4

-time constants referring to the actual place where they occur. Adapting them to reflect the using classes would at least not seem to be the intuitive semantics, I think. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels

Re: [PHP-DEV] Urgent patch for traits in PHP 5.4

Jan 2012, at 23:22, Stefan Marr wrote: I was thinking that we might want to handle that in zend_do_early_binding but usually these ops get changed to NOPs after they have been evaluated. And that's not what we need when the op_arrays are shared, I think. However, the current implementation

Re: [PHP-DEV] Urgent patch for traits in PHP 5.4

Hi Dmitry: On 14 Jan 2012, at 01:24, Stefan Marr wrote: On 13 Jan 2012, at 19:53, Stas Malyshev wrote: trait foo { public $bar = __CLASS__; } Breakpoint 3, zend_do_early_binding () at zend_compile.c:4602 4602 zend_error(E_COMPILE_ERROR, Invalid binding type

Re: [PHP-DEV] Urgent patch for traits in PHP 5.4

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Urgent patch for traits in PHP 5.4

Hi: On 13 Jan 2012, at 11:13, Stefan Marr wrote: From the top of my head, it is the handling of __CLASS__ and the handling of static variables in methods. You did not mention that, is it taken care of explicitly, or do traits now share static state? The later would not be intended

Re: [PHP-DEV] Urgent patch for traits in PHP 5.4

relevant changes from the top of my head. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List

Re: [PHP-DEV] Urgent patch for traits in PHP 5.4

request: could you separate out the optimizations you do in zend_language_scanner.l? I think it would be better to have the proper use of interned strings committed on their own. Especially, since they regard not only trait-related functionality. Thanks Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages

Re: [PHP-DEV] Urgent patch for traits in PHP 5.4

) at zend.c:1264 #4 0x000100208683 in php_execute_script (primary_file=0x7fff5fbff200) at main.c:2476 #5 0x00010049bb83 in do_cli (argc=2, argv=0x7fff5fbff4b0) at php_cli.c:983 #6 0x00010049d8c5 in main (argc=2, argv=0x7fff5fbff4b0) at php_cli.c:1356 -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab

Re: [PHP-DEV] Return Type Hinting for Methods RFC

between the 'PHP should be more like Java' and the 'PHP should be more like PHP' people. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] some notes about traits

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Re: [PHP-DEV] some notes about traits

, but perhaps this feature is not quite mature enough for release just yet? On a personal note: never tell a mother that her child is ugly. Please stay constructive. Thanks! Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels

Re: [PHP-DEV] CI for 5.4

something? I just had such a case, where my local setup was insufficient to catch it. Thanks a lot Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] CI for 5.4

. Thanks to people like Antony, obviously stupid bugs get caught pretty fast. Thanks Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP Internals - PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] CI for 5.4

to normal, that way the list wouldn't be spammed, but some active contributors would be still continuously bugged. Does that meant that the committer could get an unconditional email with the result of his/her commit? Sounds very reasonable to me. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software

Re: [PHP-DEV] Revisit: Traits requiring composing class to implement interface

of these mechanisms will lead to a case where a method is completely missing from the eventual class. Implementation without any contract. Yes. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr

Re: [PHP-DEV] Revisit: Traits requiring composing class to implement interface

of course provide incompatible method implementations. (Which does not make traits any different from any other way to implement an interface.) Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr

[PHP-DEV] Re: typehinting traits

to the teacher. Another design might offer more freedom/power... Best regards Stefan -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: typehinting traits

. Thanks Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 undocumented stuff

Hi: On 16 Oct 2011, at 04:15, Stas Malyshev wrote: class_uses - Stefan Added with: http://news.php.net/php.doc.cvs/8942 Furthermore, I added the documentation of __TRAIT__, and extended the docs for __CLASS__: http://news.php.net/php.doc.cvs/8943 Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr

Re: [PHP-DEV] Issues with Traits / php crashes

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Reflection, Traits, Aliasing

Hi Johannes: 2011/7/25 Johannes Schlüter johan...@schlueters.de: Now I use reflection on this: $rc = new ReflectionClass('C'); print_r($rc-getTraitAliases()); Array (    [tc] = T1::t1 ) Great, that is nice. So far so nice but I'm missing the information where C::t1() is coming

[PHP-DEV] Fwd: Bug #55214 [Com]: use of __CLASS__ within trait returns trait name not class name

Hi: I would like to ask for a review of the solution for the following issue. A patch is currently available at: https://bugs.php.net/patch-display.php?bug=55214patch=__CLASS__-in-traits.002.patchrevision=1311532096 The problem is that __CLASS__ used in the body of a trait method does not behave

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4a2 trait attribute name conflict resolution

Hi: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Alex Howansky alex.howan...@gmail.com wrote: Hello folks, I've just grabbed 5.4a2 to play with traits. I've found some behaviour which I'm not sure is a bug, an inconsistency, or a design decision. Consider a trait and a class that implements it but

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4a2 trait attribute name conflict resolution

Hi Alex: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Alex Howansky alex.howan...@gmail.com wrote: Best practice, always choose trait property names carefully/~unique so that you don't run into conflicts. Sure, but in this case, I created the conflict intentionally because I *want* to override it, and

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4a2 trait attribute name conflict resolution

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Jonathan Bond-Caron jbo...@openmv.com wrote: On Fri Jul 22 01:46 PM, Alex Howansky wrote: Sure, but in this case, I created the conflict intentionally because I *want* to override it, and I'm not allowed to like I am with methods. Don't you think that's

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4a2 trait attribute name conflict resolution

Hi Mike: On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Mike Stowe mikegst...@gmail.com wrote: So am I understanding correctly that the initial properties must be identical both in type and value, otherwise it would throw an error. To me that would make the most sense as they could be overridden in a

Re: [PHP-DEV] autoconf 2.60+ support

the generated configure script works just fine. Same warning on OSX 10.6 with autoconf 2.68 (macports) However, configure and make work fine, too. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again

to the larger community. However, the stability/instability of the feature set should be clearly defined. Thanks Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again

be stalled in the end. I am not to optimistic about an actual release date within 2011. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again

. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http

Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again

repository. First it was developed completely outside of PHP and without asking anyone from internals, just because I wanted it... That is how open source works. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http

Re: [PHP-DEV] Releases, trunk, policy and the wardrobe (Was: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: built-in web server in CLI.)

and schedule. For me it is currently really hard to see what the next steps are. If a release manager gives me a deadline, I am sure that all the traits-related things can be finished. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels

Re: [PHP-DEV] Experiments with a threading library for Zend: spawning a new executor

Hi Sam: (becomes off-topic here, but for the sake of argument) On 19 Jan 2011, at 04:14, Sam Vilain wrote: On 19/01/11 10:50, Stefan Marr wrote: On 18 Jan 2011, at 22:16, Sam Vilain wrote: there doesn't seem to be an interpreter under the sun which has successfully pulled off threading

Re: [PHP-DEV] Experiments with a threading library for Zend: spawning a new executor

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Properties

On 06 Jan 2011, at 15:33, Johannes Schlüter wrote: On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 14:38 +0100, Stefan Marr wrote: On of those things is that you actually use ReflectionClass to reflect on a trait. That is really an implementation detail, and should be changed to not confuse anyone

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Properties

Hi: On 09 Jan 2011, at 17:23, Stefan Marr wrote: This is the same with interfaces. What does class_exists('some_trait') do? - I assume that returns true too. It does return false for interfaces, that should be consistent and return false for traits, too. Ok, that is fixed and I added

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Properties

, but it was to easy to implement it in a library for JavaScript. To easy to be considered for a language feature... Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Properties

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Extensions to traits

in a later email. Thanks for the proposals Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List

Re: [PHP-DEV] Extensions to traits

... Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http

Re: [PHP-DEV] Extensions to traits

makes it easier for the community to comment on the different topics, too. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP Internals - PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Properties

for handling behavioral conflicts. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Properties

Hi Ben: On 03 Jan 2011, at 10:35, Ben Schmidt wrote: OK. So this comment from your email is outdated?: Yes, outdated since this email: http://marc.info/?l=php-internalsm=129288735205036w=2 Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Properties

cases. --Larry Garfield -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Properties

property definitions in traits (this is the case for methods). I think that will be useful for the very same reason. And well, I hope an educative error message will steer the crowed in the right direction to use accessors. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Properties

; ? --EXPECTF-- Fatal error: Conflicting definitions for property TraitsTest::$hello provided by THello1, THello2 in %s on line %d Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Properties

be inconsistent with the design of traits. though I'd be happy with simply E_FATAL until people start using traits What do you mean by the second part? (until people start using traits) Changing the design retrospectively does not seem to be the best option? Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Properties

TraitsTest { use THello1; use THello2; } $t = new TraitsTest; $t-hello = foo; ? --EXPECTF-- Fatal error: Cannot access private property TraitsTest::$foo in %s on line %d On 11 Dec 2010, at 17:47, Stefan Marr wrote: Hi: Traits do not provide any special provisioning

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Properties

., there is no collision handling for properties, the question is, how do we either promote to use explicit accessors or how do we deal with the inevitable and certainly justified use of properties in one or the other way. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Properties

Hi Richard: On 13 Dec 2010, at 14:31, Richard Quadling wrote: On 11 December 2010 23:31, Stefan Marr p...@stefan-marr.de wrote: The current status of the property behavior is not yet documented explicitly On the assumption that traits WILL include properties (with visibility) and aliasing

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Properties

for the last example, since here the state does not collide... Best regards Stefan PS: there has been discussion on stateful traits before, but the language solutions to that where considered to complex. -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits expecting interfaces implicitly leads to expensive runtime checks

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Properties

it is not handled at all... And, it is the only open question that 'needs' to be solved since it is an inconsistency. For instance the 'require Interface' is more like an additional feature. Best regards Stefan Thanks! On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Stefan Marr p...@stefan-marr.de wrote: Hi: Traits

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Properties

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits expecting interfaces implicitly leads to expensive runtime checks

my thought when I was writing my first answer. My second thought was, damn, not another keyword... But since you also seem to see the need, we should give it a thought. Anyone else with an opinion on that? Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits expecting interfaces implicitly leads to expensive runtime checks

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits expecting interfaces implicitly leads to expensive runtime checks

of A ... return $this-blah() * 5; } } You want to avoid the fatal error during runtime, right? Do you prefer dynamic checks over compile time checks? Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and Conflicts: Collisions as Warnings or Fatal?

state, thus, the code actually will work in that case, but perhaps produce unexpected results. In general, PHP uses fatals far to often for my taste, but well, to keep it consistent, we can go fatal here, too. Is there a general consensus on that? Thanks Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages

[PHP-DEV] Traits and Conflicts: Collisions as Warnings or Fatal?

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Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: C-sharp style property get/set syntax for PHP

example if isset($this-seconds) == FALSE. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: C-sharp style property get/set syntax for PHP

that there are methods. So, from my point of view isset/unset have perfectly valid semantics on many of the usual cases. Even so, I agree, there are cases where that is not so, but in those cases isset/unset could be specialize like set/get. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: C-sharp style property get/set syntax for PHP

it works on another level, on the same level as property_exists(). There are several possible approaches, but the main point here is that at least isset() still makes sense. property_exists() and unset() should be dealt with carefully in another way. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: C-sharp style property get/set syntax for PHP

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Hold off 5.4

classes - currently destroy_zend_class does not handle that case For support of internal classes was no clear interest yet, so it never got done. Is that a show stopper? Thanks Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and static methods

://svn.php.net/viewvc/php/php-src/trunk/Zend/tests/traits/language013.phpt?revision=300283view=markup The test case says it works ;) Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629

Re: [PHP-DEV] Trait behavior when providing a new name while no conflict exists

://svn.php.net/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=305512 Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development

Re: [PHP-DEV] Another question on traits

MyHelloWorld(); var_dump($o instanceof IHello); // bool (true) ? If that does not work, it is a bug I think. Best regards Stefan thx, -nathan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and static methods

that statement was referring to. http://wiki.php.net/rfc/horizontalreuse Hope that helps Best regards Stefan On 17 Nov 2010, at 08:55, Stefan Marr wrote: Hi Simas: On 17 Nov 2010, at 07:32, Simas Toleikis wrote: Alright then, I am sure someone will find more uses for static methods in Traits like

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and static methods

the top of my head, I don't see why it should not work. If I would have elaborated a bit more what I was thinking when I wrote that comment... Following the motto 'it is just compiler assisted copy and paste' I think it should be implemented. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits and static methods

before or after first 5.4 alphas! :) Send me the tests/phpt-files for it, and I will have a lock at it over the weekend. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974

Re: [PHP-DEV] GPU Acceleration

-bound application area. Best regards Stefan [1] https://github.com/facebook/hiphop-php [2] http://www.phpcompiler.org/ -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629

Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

would have expected. Changing to lemon is the only way to actually achieve something in the long run... Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits

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[PHP-DEV] Traits and static variables

Hi: Was just thinking about some details of the traits implementation. From my perspective, static variables in methods should work like the method would have been actually implemented in the class using the traits. Thus, static variables should be independent for the different traits usages.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits

Hi: On 04 Jun 2010, at 13:46, Christian Kaps wrote: A short while ago there was a discussion about implementing Traits in the next PHP version. How is the status of this? The code is committed to trunk, and thanks to the community there have already been some improvements and fixes for

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/trunk/ UPGRADING Zend/zend_builtin_functions.c

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[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] svn: /php/php-src/trunk/Zend/tests/traits/ error_001.phpt error_002.phpt error_003.phpt error_004.phpt error_005.phpt error_006.phpt error_007.phpt error_008.phpt error_009.p

Hi Felipe: Hope you don't mind that I post it on the list, think the discussion should be properly archived. On 06 May 2010, at 18:30, Felipe Pena wrote: Hello, 2010/5/6 Stefan Marr p...@stefan-marr.de Hi Felipe: On 05 May 2010, at 22:00, Felipe Pena wrote: One question... Looking

Re: [PHP-DEV] Obscure token name

On 27 Apr 2010, at 08:50, mathieu.suen wrote: Then T_DOUBLE_COLON would have been perfectly clear. Honestly, token names in error messages is so '80s. Instead of fixing internal details, form the users point of view it might be better to not expose token names at all, but have meaningful parser

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: svn: /php/php-src/trunk/Zend/tests/ traits/bugs/abstract-methods01.phpt traits/bugs/abstract-methods02.phpt traits/bugs/abstract-methods03.phpt traits/bugs/abstract-methods04.phpt tr

Hi Sebastian: On 22 Apr 2010, at 15:37, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: Am 15.04.2010 23:39, schrieb Stefan Marr: Added traits test cases. No engine changes for now. [TRAITS] do you have an ETA for when the actual implementation will be committed? I am currently fighting with some of the changes

Re: [PHP-DEV] traits

On 22 Apr 2010, at 22:17, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: On 04/22/2010 01:05 PM, Stefan Marr wrote: I must have missed some emails, so which one of the numerous proposals is this based on? I have some comments on the tests, but I don't want to start with it befor it's clear which one we're talking

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits

On 12 Apr 2010, at 10:39, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: On 12.04.2010, at 10:34, Derick Rethans wrote: Hi! Just had a look over the RFC, and from what I gathered was that only the issue of aliasing/renaming seems slightly controversional. Would it be possible to commit traits without this

Re: [PHP-DEV] Traits

On 12 Apr 2010, at 16:11, Jonathan Bond-Caron wrote: On Mon Apr 12 05:16 AM, Stefan Marr wrote: On 12 Apr 2010, at 10:39, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: On 12.04.2010, at 10:34, Derick Rethans wrote: Hi! But just as a quick response, without aliasing, there would be no way to use

[PHP-DEV] SVN Account Request: gron

I would like to contribute my Traits implementation to PHP. BTW, there is no Grafts implementation at the moment, and as long as there is not any vote from the community that you want Grafts but not Traits, I would like to commit my work. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing

Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposal: shorthand object property setting syntax.

/wiki/Pascal_(programming_language) new(pointertob); with pointertob^ do begin a := 10; b := 'A'; c := nil end; - Martin -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije

Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposal: shorthand object property setting syntax.

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Re: [PHP-DEV] horizontal reuse: traits vs. grafts

discussion on this, and the conclusion was, people are afraid of this additional complexity. That was my reason to design grafts. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32

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