On 17/12/14 00:45, Andrea Faulds wrote:
Hi Pierre,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 23:42, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com
wrote:
On Dec 17, 2014 4:19 AM, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
Hmm, actually, a 2to3-esque tool and a formal extension of 5.6's
support by a year sounds like a better
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
- Rolling out a 5.7 with Warnings-of-any-kind + some little-or-not
new features cancels point number one
What else ?
Do nothing is still (IMHO) the most sensible option IMHO. We're not
seeing major compatibility breakages in 7.0 (at
could you clarify one thing for me?
from that sentence it seems that you aren't really against having small new
features (as those are already happened/happening in 5.6.x and you did not
mention that you have a problem with that) but you think that there would
be more/bigger features happening if
Am 17.12.2014 um 15:54 schrieb Zeev Suraski:
I’m opposed to having a 5.7 release that has new features on
top of 5.6.x.
Same here; 5.7 should only add deprecations etc. and must not add new
features.
I also think we should minimize any new work on 5.6.x as much as
possible, and focus all
Hey,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 07:58, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote:
We already has one accepted RFC which targets 5.7, and as I mentioned before
5.7.0 wouldn't be featureless, but would contain the small self-contained
features which are currently targeting 5.6.x.
So 5.7.0 would be a
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
Hey,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 07:58, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote:
We already has one accepted RFC which targets 5.7, and as I mentioned
before 5.7.0 wouldn't be featureless, but would contain the small
self-contained
On 16/12/14 07:29, Levi Morrison wrote:
There has been some debate about whether to make “PHP 5.7. I have made a
very simple RFC. It proposes a final minor version of PHP 5, PHP 5.7, to be
released at the same time as PHP 7, with no new features whatsoever.
I am wondering why we need
Hi!
There has been some debate about whether to make “PHP 5.7. I have
made a very simple RFC. It proposes a final minor version of PHP 5,
PHP 5.7, to be released at the same time as PHP 7, with no new
features whatsoever.
The hope is that we can put this to a vote in 2 weeks’ time and
On 16/12/2014 08:55, Andrea Faulds wrote:
Could you tell me which RFCs targeted 5.7 and didn’t just add deprecation
notices? I’m unaware of any.
I've tried to search the ML for such list of RFCs:
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/gc_fn_pointer
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/secure_unserialize (also 5.6 if
Hey Matteo,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 10:52, Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com wrote:
On 16/12/2014 08:55, Andrea Faulds wrote:
Could you tell me which RFCs targeted 5.7 and didn’t just add deprecation
notices? I’m unaware of any.
I've tried to search the ML for such list of RFCs:
Hey Stas,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 09:25, Stanislav Malyshev smalys...@gmail.com wrote:
There has been some debate about whether to make “PHP 5.7. I have
made a very simple RFC. It proposes a final minor version of PHP 5,
PHP 5.7, to be released at the same time as PHP 7, with no new
features
Hi Andrea,
On 16/12/2014 12:10, Andrea Faulds wrote:
It'd be nice to describe what we have now for 5.7 - i.e. which
deprecation messages and other warnings are on the agenda? Doesn't have
to be the exclusive list but at least to give the idea what we're
talking about.
At the moment, there’s
On 16/12/2014 12:03, Andrea Faulds wrote:
I wrote the Closure::call() and intdiv() RFCs. Truth be told, they
both targeted master, not a specific PHP version. master has become
PHP 7, so whatever the wording of them said, they really target PHP 7
now. They were written back before the whole PHP
Hey Matteo,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 11:29, Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com wrote:
This is what I meant when I previously mentioned seeing RFCs targeting 5.7. I
understand what you say and I do wholeheartedly agree with you.
However if one would have to strictly follow what has been voted,
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From: Andrea Faulds [mailto:a...@ajf.me]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:00 AM
To: Ferenc Kovacs
Cc: Matteo Beccati; Xinchen Hui; PHP Internals
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] PHP 5.7
Hey,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 07:58, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote:
We
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From: morrison.l...@gmail.com [mailto:morrison.l...@gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Levi Morrison
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:29 AM
To: Xinchen Hui
Cc: Andrea Faulds; PHP Internals
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] PHP 5.7
There has been some debate about whether
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Stanislav Malyshev smalys...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi!
There has been some debate about whether to make “PHP 5.7. I have
made a very simple RFC. It proposes a final minor version of PHP 5,
PHP 5.7, to be released at the same time as PHP 7, with no new
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
Hey Matteo,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 10:52, Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com wrote:
On 16/12/2014 08:55, Andrea Faulds wrote:
Could you tell me which RFCs targeted 5.7 and didn’t just add
deprecation notices? I’m unaware of
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
Hey Matteo,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 11:29, Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com wrote:
This is what I meant when I previously mentioned seeing RFCs targeting
5.7. I understand what you say and I do wholeheartedly agree with you.
: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] PHP 5.7
There has been some debate about whether to make “PHP 5.7. I have
made a very simple RFC. It proposes a final minor version of PHP 5, PHP
5.7,
to be released at the same time as PHP 7, with no new features
whatsoever.
I am wondering why we need
There has been some debate about whether to make “PHP 5.7. I have
made a very simple RFC. It proposes a final minor version of PHP 5, PHP
5.7,
to be released at the same time as PHP 7, with no new features whatsoever.
I am wondering why we need that? no new features
I think we
I was initially very much in favour of a 5.7 release, but given the current
lack of big BC breaks I'm not so sure. I can even run a dinosaur like Revive
on PHP7!
If the list of BC breaks grows (e.g. PHP4 constructors -- which I seriously
hope doesn't pass -- or other big / evil ones), then I
as you mentioned distros lock in to a specific micro version, so if we
introduce this deprecated messages in random micro version, we make it less
likely for the users to stumble upon those deprecated messages and it will
be also harder for us to communicate the upgrade path:
compare:
okay, you
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
as you mentioned distros lock in to a specific micro version, so if we
introduce this deprecated messages in random micro version, we make it less
likely for the users to stumble upon those deprecated messages and it will
be
On Dec 16, 2014 9:10 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Andrea Faulds [mailto:a...@ajf.me]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:00 AM
To: Ferenc Kovacs
Cc: Matteo Beccati; Xinchen Hui; PHP Internals
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] PHP 5.7
Hey
: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] PHP 5.7
There has been some debate about whether to make “PHP 5.7. I have
made a very simple RFC. It proposes a final minor version of PHP 5, PHP
5.7,
to be released at the same time as PHP 7, with no new features
whatsoever.
I am wondering why we need that? no new
Hi!
I've tried to search the ML for such list of RFCs:
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/gc_fn_pointer
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/secure_unserialize (also 5.6 if RMs agree)
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/closure_apply
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/pack_unpack_64bit_formats (targeting 5.6)
On 16 December 2014 16:44:59 GMT, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
as you mentioned distros lock in to a specific micro version, so if we
introduce this deprecated messages in random micro version, we make it
less
likely for the users to stumble upon those deprecated messages and it
will
be also
On 16 December 2014 at 10:38, Stanislav Malyshev smalys...@gmail.com wrote:
I've tried to search the ML for such list of RFCs:
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/gc_fn_pointer
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/secure_unserialize (also 5.6 if RMs agree)
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/closure_apply
Hi list,
I think having a minor PHP version for the only sake of adding E_DEPRECATED
is kind of pointless to be honest. Historically, PHP (or other languages
for the matter, I'm thinking of python) minor versions have brought new
features. Adding notices is not a reason for a new version imho.
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Florian Margaine flor...@margaine.com
wrote:
Hi list,
I think having a minor PHP version for the only sake of adding E_DEPRECATED
is kind of pointless to be honest. Historically, PHP (or other languages
for the matter, I'm thinking of python) minor versions
Hey Florian,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 19:55, Florian Margaine flor...@margaine.com wrote:
Hi list,
I think having a minor PHP version for the only sake of adding E_DEPRECATED
is kind of pointless to be honest. Historically, PHP (or other languages
for the matter, I'm thinking of python) minor
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Florian Margaine flor...@margaine.com
wrote:
Hi list,
I think having a minor PHP version for the only sake of adding E_DEPRECATED
is kind of pointless to be honest. Historically, PHP (or other languages
for the matter, I'm thinking of python) minor versions
-Original Message-
From: julienpa...@gmail.com [mailto:julienpa...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Julien Pauli
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:00 PM
To: Florian Margaine
Cc: Rowan Collins; PHP Internals
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] PHP 5.7
- We cannot patch 5.6 to add any Warnings
On 16 December 2014 at 13:18, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
Hmm, actually, a 2to3-esque tool and a formal extension of 5.6's support by a
year sounds like a better solution. If others agree, I might withdraw this
RFC.
I disagree. 2to3 wasn't a success in the Python world — in the end,
the
-Original Message-
From: Ferenc Kovacs [mailto:tyr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:53 PM
To: Florian Margaine
Cc: Rowan Collins; PHP Internals
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] PHP 5.7
please be aware the not everybody agrees on the no new features rule, but
from as I
On 16 December 2014 at 14:00, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
- We cannot patch 5.6 to add any Warnings-of-any-kind (stable release,
under release process that forbids that)
What part of the release process forbids that?
None, but I'd still advocate releasing a new minor because there's
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Julien Pauli jpa...@php.net wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Florian Margaine flor...@margaine.com
wrote:
Hi list,
I think having a minor PHP version for the only sake of adding
E_DEPRECATED
is kind of pointless to be honest. Historically, PHP
-Original Message-
From: a...@adamharvey.name [mailto:a...@adamharvey.name] On
Behalf Of Adam Harvey
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:10 AM
To: Zeev Suraski
Cc: PHP Internals
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] PHP 5.7
On 16 December 2014 at 14:00, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote
On 16 December 2014 at 14:19, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
-Original Message-
From: a...@adamharvey.name [mailto:a...@adamharvey.name] On
Behalf Of Adam Harvey
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:10 AM
To: Zeev Suraski
Cc: PHP Internals
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] PHP 5.7
- Rolling out a 5.7 with Warnings-of-any-kind + some little-or-not new
features cancels point number one
What else ?
Do nothing is still (IMHO) the most sensible option IMHO. We're not seeing
major compatibility breakages in 7.0 (at least not at this time), to the
level that
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Ferenc Kovacs [mailto:tyr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:53 PM
To: Florian Margaine
Cc: Rowan Collins; PHP Internals
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] PHP 5.7
please
On Dec 17, 2014 4:19 AM, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
Hey Florian,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 19:55, Florian Margaine flor...@margaine.com wrote:
Hi list,
I think having a minor PHP version for the only sake of adding
E_DEPRECATED
is kind of pointless to be honest. Historically, PHP (or
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
Hi Pierre,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 23:42, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 17, 2014 4:19 AM, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
Hmm, actually, a 2to3-esque tool and a formal extension of 5.6's support
by a year
Good evening,
There has been some debate about whether to make “PHP 5.7. I have made a very
simple RFC. It proposes a final minor version of PHP 5, PHP 5.7, to be released
at the same time as PHP 7, with no new features whatsoever.
The hope is that we can put this to a vote in 2 weeks’ time
Hi Adam,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 00:15, Adam Harvey ahar...@php.net wrote:
On 15 December 2014 at 16:09, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
The RFC can be found here: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php57
Thanks for the taking the initiative on this.
On timing: I think we should release 5.7 in
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
Hi Adam,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 00:15, Adam Harvey ahar...@php.net wrote:
On 15 December 2014 at 16:09, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
The RFC can be found here: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php57
Thanks for the taking the
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
Good evening,
There has been some debate about whether to make “PHP 5.7. I have made a
very simple RFC. It proposes a final minor version of PHP 5, PHP 5.7, to be
released at the same time as PHP 7, with no new features
Hi Xinchen,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 04:07, Xinchen Hui larue...@php.net wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
Good evening,
There has been some debate about whether to make “PHP 5.7. I have made a
very simple RFC. It proposes a final minor version of PHP 5,
There has been some debate about whether to make “PHP 5.7. I have made a
very simple RFC. It proposes a final minor version of PHP 5, PHP 5.7, to be
released at the same time as PHP 7, with no new features whatsoever.
I am wondering why we need that? no new features
I think we can
Hi everyone,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 00:15, Adam Harvey ahar...@php.net wrote:
On 15 December 2014 at 16:09, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
The RFC can be found here: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php57
Thanks for the taking the initiative on this.
On timing: I think we should release 5.7 in
On 16/12/2014 05:07, Xinchen Hui wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
Good evening,
There has been some debate about whether to make “PHP 5.7. I have made a very
simple RFC. It proposes a final minor version of PHP 5, PHP 5.7, to be released at
the same
Hi Matteo,
On 16 Dec 2014, at 07:52, Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com wrote:
On 16/12/2014 05:07, Xinchen Hui wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
Good evening,
There has been some debate about whether to make “PHP 5.7. I have made a
very simple RFC.
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Matteo Beccati p...@beccati.com wrote:
On 16/12/2014 05:07, Xinchen Hui wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Andrea Faulds a...@ajf.me wrote:
Good evening,
There has been some debate about whether to make “PHP 5.7. I have made
a very simple RFC. It
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