Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward))

2011-06-06 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Am 05.06.2011 22:05, schrieb Zeev Suraski: - There wasn't sufficient time, or nearly any time at all - between when Brian pulled it off the attic, and when a vote was called. If my proposal is accepted, there'll have to be at least two weeks between when a clearly marked [RFC] email hits

[PHP-DEV] RE: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward))

2011-06-06 Thread Zeev Suraski
-Original Message- From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:46 AM To: Zeev Suraski Cc: PHP Internals Subject: Re: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)) In any case, if you

[PHP-DEV] Re: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward))

2011-06-06 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
...@sugarcrm.com] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:17 PM To: Zeev Suraski Cc: Pierre Joye; PHP Internals Subject: Re: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)) Hi! I'd still like to hear from others what they think about my

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward))

2011-06-06 Thread dukeofgaming
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote: I'd to go with a 60% for language syntax, 50+1 for new exts or sapis. Other question is who can vote. For one, I like to have external people being able to vote, like frameworks/apps lead developers as well as @php.net

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward))

2011-06-06 Thread Chad Fulton
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:27 PM, dukeofgaming dukeofgam...@gmail.com wrote: I have a little proposition here. I'm not —at least currently— known for any app or framework, but I'd like my voice to count, that is, if and only if the rest of the community thinks I make sane arguments that are

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward))

2011-06-06 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
On 2011-06-06, Chad Fulton chadful...@gmail.com wrote: So, I would advocate a white list of core devs for formal voting (of which, for example, I would not be a member). I think this mailing list has grown sufficiently that public opinion can be gauged from here: everyone can write their

[PHP-DEV] RE: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward))

2011-06-05 Thread Zeev Suraski
Pierre, I'm happy that we agree pretty much completely about the clarifications updates needed for the RFC. I do however want to point out that the problematic way the short array syntax RFC was executed was the key reason that made me feel these updates were in fact necessary - I don't

[PHP-DEV] RE: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward))

2011-06-05 Thread Zeev Suraski
For those of you who lost these proposals in the flood of RFC related emails of recent days, here they are again: --- First, we need to make sure that the RFC is properly evaluated by the members of internals@, and that there's enough time for the RFC to be discussed here on the list. As

[PHP-DEV] Re: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward))

2011-06-05 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! I'd still like to hear from others what they think about my proposal. I'd like to update the Release Process RFC with these suggestions if people like them. I think these voting process additions totally make sense. But I am not sure it makes sense to put everything in one release RFC.

[PHP-DEV] RE: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward))

2011-06-05 Thread Zeev Suraski
...@sugarcrm.com] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:17 PM To: Zeev Suraski Cc: Pierre Joye; PHP Internals Subject: Re: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward)) Hi! I'd still like to hear from others what they think about my

[PHP-DEV] Re: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward))

2011-06-05 Thread Pierre Joye
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote: I'm fine if the entire 'Feature selection and development' part goes out of the RFC, but if there's any reference to how features are determined, we'd better get it right. Getting it totally out makes little sense as it

[PHP-DEV] Re: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward))

2011-06-05 Thread Pierre Joye
hi Zeev, On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote: Pierre, I'm happy that we agree pretty much completely about the clarifications updates needed for the RFC. Same here :) I do however want to point out that the problematic way the short array syntax RFC was

[PHP-DEV] RE: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward))

2011-06-05 Thread Zeev Suraski
[resending as the list appears to reject bit.ly URLs] As I agree on everything you wrote here, I don't feel like we need to redo it. The votes result is pretty clear, despite 2-3 people not willing to vote for whatever reasons: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/shortsyntaxforarrays/vote Take a

[PHP-DEV] Re: Voting Process (was: [PHP-DEV] Re: Voting does not belong on the wiki! (Was: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 moving forward))

2011-06-05 Thread Pierre Joye
take #4.. Hmmm, not sure I like the comparison (with Egypt). Major parts in the process weren't executed properly (I've spelled them out so I won't repeat them). It's quite possible that if they were executed properly, we'd have different results. Perhaps not, maybe even probably