s seem that there is no drive these days to
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again for PHP8? But the additional problems that case-insensitive then
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On 06/09/17 13:00, li...@rhsoft.net wrote:
> Am 06.09.2017 um 13:52 schrieb Lester Caine:
>> The likes of ADOdb datadict are still used as a base for metadata in
>> projects, but PDO destroyed the standardisation that used to exist by
>> spawning a number of competing wrapper
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> On 6 September 2017 09:29:37 BST, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>> My only problem with Yasuo's latest offering is once again it adds a
>> whole new set of defines that have to be mapped to existing me
finitions ... That and it is a lot of longhand code using a different
style to existing arrays. We need yet another wrapper to build these
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changed since ... and annotating that data in the code ...
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On 05/09/17 14:08, li...@rhsoft.net wrote:
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>
> Am 05.09.2017 um 13:36 schrieb Lester Caine:
>> On 05/09/17 12:18, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:
>>> I cannot guess people's thought. I appreciated feedback!
>>
>> With a decent database layer a lot of the validation you
ust adding to the
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e PDO at all in that
instance? For example a BLOB improvement to PDO should work
transparently across all databases that support blobs ... and error when
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needed. Add managed translations
then while a single static english copy of the main stuff is easy to
distribute, and dynamic set of content WOULD be easier going forward.
Except there would never be any agreement on how THAT would be managed
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> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 18/05/17 09:15, Dorin Marcoci wrote:
>>> Yes, null is a state, not a type. ->bindValue('Foo', PDO::PARAM_NULL) is
>>> awesome.
>
, it is also
a valid value for a parameter.
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y produce and none of the type systems being bodged in
currently can handle fixed precision numbers, so leave these as strings
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orrible its API is.
https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/content_management/all
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layers which don't rely on PDO or for the likes of things like wordpress
only support MySQL anyway so don't need a cross database layer.
None of the 'improvements' added to PDO recently do anything to improve
it's standing, it still lacks a real reason for existing ...
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there is not sufficient stock. Trying to create 'type's for all the
variants of the object is just wrong? int_instock, int_minorder,
int_backorder, int_special_production and so on as the types of LineItem
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tering of that data internally. Strict may provide some
users with a comfort blanket that internally they have to do fewer
checks on the data coming in but it is only creating an uncontrollable
mess instead since there are now even more ways to filter what is
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ase engine can actually work with rather than one that a
more capable database engine will process. Testing the innards of some
driver is simply wrong, one tests the whole process is working! And
IDEALLY the test suit for PDO should work which ever target is selected,
but that is not lightly to ha
e basic building block and make it work
the same way for everybody whether simply validating raw data, or
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he way the language is being pushed without a
substantial consensus that requires the the rules get more discussion
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ent RFC's have overlapping elements where a consensus on
the base approach may be of more use than patching individual parts in
isolation. A vote on the 'roadmap' element with sub sections on elements
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e seconds can be trimmed if
appropriate, so a 'default' string format would solve the problem of
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everything else into optional extensions ... beginners don't need all
the heavy stuff and I include Reflections in that ... A starter manual
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or retired. DB-Library should simply handle prepared statements by
converting them into simple SQL that the API CAN handle. That is the
point of 'emulation' and it should not need any additional tools to
debug it. The .phpt tests should be testing that the emu
ng old mysql could handle. I
presume that dblib has the same fundamental problem? But mssql has
prepared statements so dblib SHOULD provide that interface?
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e set cookie later? (ala mysql => mysqli)
Or perhaps a new object model for managing header that can be developed
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actually the right base to be building
on, or should a better attempt be made at solving the cross database
problems. ADOdb is still the better benchmark for a lot of the 'loose
ends' that plague PDO.
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On 18/10/16 12:37, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:
> The patch committed is pure bug fix.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%2Fdev%2Furandom+is+not+readable+by+php
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users can use things, but things like /dev/urandom may need some
additional notes to help identify problems when frameworks like owncloud
start throwing errors. As Niklas says it's shared environments where
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o 'assume' when in reality PDO has always
needed a proper schema facility either back from the connected database,
or internally in order to 'emulate' the correct set of data.
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e it's a simple exercise to restore
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identified in the prepared SQL. In this case :null has nothing to
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his. If I have a
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On 13/09/16 01:44, Pierre Joye wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:06 AM, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 12/09/16 20:31, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>>> On 11.09.2016 at 12:35, Lester Caine wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/09/16 11:05, Christoph M. B
On 12/09/16 20:31, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> On 11.09.2016 at 12:35, Lester Caine wrote:
>
>> On 11/09/16 11:05, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>
>> I have already debugged the problems and will tidy up the notes later
>> when I cross check things. This is the
etter job at maintaining a current
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On 11/09/16 11:05, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> On 10.09.2016 at 23:45, Lester Caine wrote:
>
>> On 10/09/16 16:41, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>>
>>> Despite the rather common myth, building PHP on Windows nowadays is not
>>> really harder than on Linux.
On 11/09/16 07:06, Pierre Joye wrote:
> On Sep 10, 2016 3:32 PM, "Lester Caine" <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I think I am right in saying Pierre originally needed pickle so that
>> PEAR could be dropped in the windows?
>
> It was not the reaso
evelopers who need the help here It's the end
user of a developers work who needs an easy way to install it. The vast
majority of users still stuck on PHP5.2/3 would probably not even know
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> Doing some digging I've found the conversations on this back in 2011. At
> that time the statement was made that 'php project does not provide
> binary builds' and 'if the user can't install a compiler they should not
> be using php'. I
On 09/09/16 14:28, Lester Caine wrote:
> I'd forgotten the official windows packages no longer had PEAR anyway.
> Does make the discussion on that somewhat academic? We have been
> installing Linux servers as replacements to the windows boxes so the
> need to actually load newer wi
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> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> > On 09/09/16 12:35, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
>>> > > but please, this is really offtopic on this list.
>> >
>> > See my oth
ges happily. I AM trying to
learn composer, and I can see now how it can be used, but simply passing
the buck to getcomposer is not the way to use it for a default PHP
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fashioned, but there is no clear alternative to replace
it, so if an element of that model such as PEAR needs to be replaced
with an alternative such as composer, the alternative should be used in
a manor that fits the overall installation model?
Now if there is a more modern installation m
have never had a full security audit of your systems! A new
user should NEVER install their own version of anything relating to the
running system. THAT is a potential hole in the security of the system.
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the details, but the results
are demonstrable. I presume similar methods are used by the other
database engines, so would it be worth seeing if there is some common
'fix' which gives good results across a few databases.
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'strict mode=1' enables it. Just as a read_only rule gets rid of the
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Of cause where sites are not being heavily audited for security we can
stick up two fingers and the only active user is root - totally
politically incorrect - but it prevents the bulk of the problems caused
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technician has their own login and these change year on year, so the
tool chains all need to be globally installed, something PEAR is
designed to provide? An installation of composer needs to emulate that
model at the 'PHP' level otherwise we are looking at a major
mean by "affect that installation"?
Currently having followed the installation guide I have things working
on a home directory. This is probably what people expect today, but I
still expect tools to be available which ever login I use ... testing
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> On 08.09.2016 at 12:35, Lester Caine wrote:
>
>> On 08/09/16 09:24, Daniel Morris wrote:
>>> On Thu, 8 Sep 2016, at 09:07 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
>>>> I've just been through an exercise to give PHP_CodeSniffe
ve script is replaced by $var->is_valid(); or if you prefer it
throws an exception when you try and set the variable with an invalid
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> On Thu, 8 Sep 2016, at 09:07 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
>> I've just been through an exercise to give PHP_CodeSniffer a go on my
>> code base. I've not worried too much about that in the past since
>> Eclipse in general flags style probl
o help with?
Main reason for loading was to give some of the PSR rule checks a try to
see just what affect they would have on the code, but I don't think this
approach will help with the structural changes needed?
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On 07/09/16 12:37, Rowan Collins wrote:
> On 07/09/2016 11:51, Lester Caine wrote:
>> This comes down simply to 'education', and just as we provide migration
>> guides to check deprecated code and help re-write it there needs to be
>> the same sort of guideline - provid
n W10, which is part of the reason I am concerned if the
likes of interbase is no longer available pre-compiled. I have no
problem playing on Linux, it's just keeping windows clients alive and
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of working that are
then at odds with the rest of the framework. Yes over a few years I can
probably migrate, but this change is adding yet another layer of options
without any regard to interoperability. I can't apply a simple set of
rules and switch style as everybody else has their own style
On 07/09/16 10:19, Lester Caine wrote:
> If the definition of a variable is
> improved to include ALL of the validation we ideally need and I include
> setStrict(int) in that then at run time we can both validate input and
> decide on the error model that is applied.
And I know I will
ing and it's that layer that needs to be at least prototyped
before current functional systems are switched off.
But I know the answer already ... not our problem :(
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firing offence, but the sort
of layer of security I'm looking at should not introduce any more delay
than the normal. The way it falls down is if people can't be bothered to
set the validation values up ... or create your filter array. Default
rules such as your crude filters are a point for discussion.
-
On 06/09/16 03:19, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:
> Hi Lester,
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>> A filter of "is this string corrupted with an injection attempt" seems
>> rather more difficult to define than "email"
On 05/09/16 19:51, Davey Shafik wrote:
> https://github.com/dshafik/php7-mysql-shim — I already solved that problem,
> at least in the short term.
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to mysqli. Restoring extensions from pecl still needs pecl to exist even
for pickle to access them including the web interface to catalogue them?
And I view PEAR in the same light. So this is not about 'Deprecate' the
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e to get back to some BASIC functionality
such as loading a form, validating it's content, and string the results
without having a dozen ways of filtering the inputs and a dozen ways of
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guidance to installing required tools and advise on optional ones.
Something that is easy to do with the PEAR/PECL/dynamic extension system
we currently have, but not so easy to manage with composer? A handler
can obviously be written to edit the composer setup on the fly, and it's
that sort of
2, and PSR-4 describe.
>
> You may not agree with the choices they made, like the people that made
> them, or approve of the processes they used, but all that would be just
> as likely if they happened to be hosted on a sub-domain of php.net.
So this RFC is simply proposing that PHP-FIG bec
what files. Irrelevant if
things just work, but when debugging an installation, the code flow
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> On 3 September 2016 09:18:48 BST, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>> Is Composer really all there is?
>> I'm looking at the problems projects like tiki have with trying to keep
>> composer working in an active project, a
he other similar package managers
for javascript, python and the like with their own manager and the
situation is simply a mess! I've half a dozen package managers listed
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be used ... as an alternative to the more difficult to define ones?
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8_decode internally. At that
time of cause there was no provision for multi-byte characters and the
decoding of a string is hard code in the function. If you look closer
you will see that xml_utf8_decode still expects strings of type XML_Char
* and so utf8_decode() wraps that to hide the differences.
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suspect data as each variable is built and having the logic to simply
create an exception on the first failure, only pass those fields that
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> On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, at 06:58 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
>> Can you justify that statement!
>
> A quick comparison on Google Trends will show this, since the beginning
> of 2013 Couchbase has been more popular, GitHub also has m
would help, but adding even a simple set of limits to the base
variables addresses the majority of what is being discussed? Even if you
leave the finer validation rules such as 'valid email' to later
'business' logic? But is it really that difficult to go from
'short_string' to 'email' as a validation rul
nd a
naive user who simply does not know you can't use cut and paste to copy
something over because the OS will also copy all the hidden html along
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EQUEST array. In exception mode the first
exception kills the process. In error mode we simply decide how to
handle the problem which may then involve checking what attack mechanism
is being used ... or simply say invalid data and reload the the form. If
it was just a problem with one field then that fie
On 17/08/16 10:36, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> On 17.08.2016 at 10:58, Lester Caine wrote:
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>> > ( and the javascript thing is more a case of upgrading PHP examples to
>> > use html5 validation by default )
> And thereby suggesting that HTML5 or JavaScript validati
( and the javascript thing is more a case of upgrading PHP examples to
use html5 validation by default )
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they try the next
option until they do get a response ...
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er down the wrong path
from day one ... so can we agree on something simple and easily
expandable? filter_require_var_array($_POST, $post_spec); could then use
those rules to build the $post_spec array, but why not just use the
rules direct?
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ng there has changed since I first used it back in 2004 and the
next step is to test with FB3 and PHP7 but I've not had time to set up a
suitable target site as yet. Any firebird user knows the password to get
in ... 'masterke' for those who don't ...
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ce the same
sequence of numbers. A UUID generator provided to ensure every
distributed service has a uniquely identifiable id for every 'session'
is not something that forms part of a single instance of PHP. It must be
centrally managed with a central session store. All that
On 16/08/16 02:11, Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote:
> 2016-08-16 1:27 GMT+02:00 Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk>:
>> None of the listed bugs are a problem in normal use. Some WERE fixed in
>> previous code, but those fixes were not merged with the master code base
>> in
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