Re: [Internetradio] CBC News : Liberal government tables legislation to force online giants to compensate news outlets
--- Begin Message --- I'm all for helping journalists and their outlets survive but this isn't a tool for the "little guy". Who is this money going to in Australia? My suspicion is that it goes to the largest news outlets who have expensive lawyers to pursue enforcement. I very much doubt that a small regional newspaper sees much of anything. Even if they "earn" something, getting it from Google or Microsoft is not easy. The larger outlets already force users to pay to see content (beyond a few per month) for revenue. Smaller outlets can't do that, or they won't get any traffic. I own web domains in several countries and some of the material appears in search engines and news aggregators in Australia. Everything I publish has copyrights attached. Neither I nor my staff will be holding our breath that a payment is on the way. And yes, Google knows where to find me. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Internetradio On Behalf Of John A. Figliozzi Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2022 4:16 PM To: w...@groups.io; internet discussion Subject: [Internetradio] CBC News : Liberal government tables legislation to force online giants to compensate news outlets Australia first did this. The US Congress should do it too. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/online-giants-must-pay-for-news-bill-1.6408 856 --- End Message --- ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] reciva.com shutting?
--- Begin Message --- Paul, If it is necessary to support the rescue of the database or firmware, I am willing to help if I can. Thanks for checking with your contacts. I'd hate to see the database and support for the radios ability to work go away. -- -Rob de Santos, K8RKD Horizons (Trends in Technology) Columnist Contributing Editor CQ Magazine -Original Message- From: Internetradio On Behalf Of Paul Webster Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 1:21 PM To: Internet radio discussion Subject: Re: [Internetradio] reciva.com shutting? I have a Logic IR100 (probably was the most sold internet radio in UK at the start) and a Tangent Quattro - both Reciva powered. I recruited a small team of volunteers to help curate their database and handle lots of stream update requests in the early days - and I still have some editing rights there. If they could be persuaded to handover their domain names and ideally their backend application then it would be feasible for someone else to run it ... but no money in it and I think it would be quite a lot of work. Firmware is hackable though (see Sharpfin) so might be possible to rescue via a different route - still a lot of work though. Paul Webster > On 26 Oct 2020, at 17:01, John Figliozzi wrote: > > I wasn’t aware of the firmware situation. I assumed that all were using some > variant of Frontier Silicon because when their vTuner provider went dark over > a payment dispute their radios shifted over to Frontier’s set-up within a day > or two. > > I have a Pure Evoke F4 (no longer manufactured), Tivoli NetWorks (no longer > manufactured) and Como Audio Solo and Amico. All run Frontier Silicon. > > John > >> On Oct 26, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Paul Webster wrote: >> >> Reciva was not just a stream aggregator. >> They also provided the entire firmware for the radios. >> I think all of the radios that use(d) their service also ran their software. >> >> A while ago Grace Digital did a deal of some sort with them and >> gained access to the firmware - and I suspect they could also run the >> back-end ... but owners of other brands may well struggle because those >> brands gave up long ago. >> >> I have tried to contact someone who is/was at Reciva (Qualcomm) to see if I >> can get more information that I can share. >> No response yet. >> >> Paul Webster >> >>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 12:01:41 -0400, you wrote: >>> >>> Likely, the radio manufacturer will find another provider. But this >>> illustrates the weak spot of the wifi radio receiver — proprietary stream >>> amalgamators. What radio are you using? >>> >>> John Figliozzi >>> >>>> On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Eric Floden wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> This banner was atop their page when I logged in this morning >>>> >>>> Notice: With effect from 31 January 2021 this website will be withdrawn. >>>> Please refer to your radio manufacturer or supplier. >>>> >>>> What does it mean? Do I need to light my hair on fire? >>>> ___ --- End Message --- ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] reciva.com PS
--- Begin Message --- In reality, it can’t. However, the RSS feed behind it has been broken or flaky for a long time. -- -Rob de Santos, K8RKD Horizons (Trends in Technology) Columnist Contributing Editor CQ Magazine From: Internetradio On Behalf Of Eric Floden Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 2:45 PM To: Internet radio discussion Subject: [Internetradio] reciva.com PS BTW, I have had the feeling that the Latest Additions are the same old stations, recycled every so often. But that can't be, can it? --- End Message --- ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
[Internetradio] BBC Names Next Director General
--- Begin Message --- https://tbivision.com/2020/06/05/bbc-names-bbc-studios-ceo-tim-davie-as-new-chief/ -- -Rob de Santos --- End Message --- ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] vTuner and Frontier Silicon
--- Begin Message --- Thanks, John for update. The articles on the Dutch site were informative. I tend to agree with the observations there and yours that the truth here is somewhere in between all the accusations flying back and forth. The database maintenance for all the online systems has always been an Achilles heel. None of the manufacturers wanted to pay the freight for their firmware or the database maintenance. My sense is that we will soon be left with one less player in the game if vTuner closes shop. Most of the maintenance to Reciva is now done by volunteers (who do an admirable job, all things considered). TuneIn (the US company) is a purely commercial operation at this point and not particularly easy to work with as an end user. Work on the Logitech system continues as an open source project. Slim pickings. Airable.radio seems small at this stage and it's too early to see if they can get up to critical mass. Ultimately, some sort of user selected database and maintenance may be all the devices will have in a year or two. Is there anyone who can reach out to the vTuner people and see if they can preserve (archive) their database, at least? Perhaps ask if they would consider working with the iradioforum crew? (Not speaking for anyone at iradioforum or whether they would be interested.) Also, articles at: https://www.teltarif.de/wlanradio-internetradio-frontier-silicon-vtuner-airable/news/76539.html (German language site) https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2282513/frontier-silicon-portal-not-working/p1 -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Internetradio On Behalf Of John Figliozzi Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 11:28 PM To: internet discussion Subject: [Internetradio] vTuner and Frontier Silicon Late last week, I speculated in a comment in the SWLing Post that a May 1 vTuner 11 hour outage and a subsequent and sudden decision by several of its former internet radio manufacturer users to drop and replace it was possibly related to a financial dispute of some kind. One of the radio manufacturers claimed that while vTuner had been a reliable partner for two decades, subsequent management was stating that it could not guarantee that the service would be continuing indefinitely due to inadequate funding. That manufacturer implied that the outage, a demand from vTuner for increased payment and the claimed potential for continued service interruptions and even cancellation were related incidents. An article dated May 12, 2019 on radiovisie.eu in Dutch fills in a lot of the blanks. While vTuner has had the most accurate and reliable catalog of internet radio streams worldwide, companies had been starting to abandon it. The current management of vTuner, also in a comment on the SWLing Post, claimed that former employees are pirating its information and poaching its clients. The Post expressed frustration with the low rate of payment and increasing expenses. Bose and Yamaha ended their agreements with vTuner in 2018. But the big blow came when Frontier Silicon, which has been an important development partner for vTuner for two decades, determined that vTuner was to blame for the May 1 11 hour outage that affected hundreds of thousand IP radio devices. The dispute apparently escalated in subsequent days to the point where Frontier decided to immediately and without prior warning switch to a new provider. That provider is a little known entity called airable.radio and offers far less in terms of user flexibility at least at this point in time. For its part, Frontier claims it had to move quickly to avoid the devices of its clients becoming completely unusable. vTuner claims it will probably have to close down soon given the current situation. Its CEO claims that, “The electronic consumer companies want everything for free, no matter how bad the quality of service is.” The move to airable.radio does represent a cheapening of the internet radio experience, a regrettable development given the expense involved in purchasing one of these devices. The article in radiovisie.eu says that there is increasing pressure on manufacturers to give users the option of selecting their own portals and using multiple portals instead of having to rely on the manufacturer’s choice of portals. This situation is a watershed moment for IP radio in general and internet radio manufacturers in particular. Absent a better solution that equals the expectations of those paying high prices for these quality units, this sector could be in dire trouble especially considering the competition presented by other radio playing devices. (There are two informative articles on this topic in radiovisie.eu which, in order to read, the reader must first translate the Dutch language articles to English. The airable.radio website appears to be only a placeholder with no information or details about its database
Re: [Internetradio] RT, Sputnik and Russia’s New Theory of War - NYTimes.com
Very interesting article. One take away is that we must be more vigilant than ever in questioning what we see and hear, regardless of our political perspective. It also suggests, at least to me, that social media is particularly suspect since there is often no journalistic credibility in what is repeated. The Russian media campaign is clearly miles ahead of where many thought it was. -- -Rob de Santos From: Internetradio [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Richard Cuff Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:23 PM To: Discussion list for the Winter SWL Fest <swlf...@hard-core-dx.com>; Internet radio discussion <internetradio@hard-core-dx.com>; Shortwave programming discussion <swprogr...@hard-core-dx.com> Subject: [Internetradio] RT, Sputnik and Russia’s New Theory of War - NYTimes.com https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/magazine/rt-sputnik-and-russias-new-theory-of-war.html?action=click <https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/magazine/rt-sputnik-and-russias-new-theory-of-war.html?action=click=Top%20Stories=Homepage> =Top%20Stories=Homepage Worthwhile reading... RC ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming
Makes sense. A cheap tablet and a speaker are easily integrated with other systems. Wondering aloud (in a virtual way) if the "portal" function can be duplicated in a public web site -- then you have the ability to use a "library" of personal stations across multiple devices. I know that several of the apps allow you to add your stations, but I'm thinking outside that. Something that duplicates what the portals for Reciva, Pure, Vtuner, etc. do but specifically for Android/iOS based devices functioning as "internet radios/media devices". Create it once and use it everywhere. Might have to require a small monthly subscription fee to be self-supporting. Might be a nice website. Like I need another project... -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Internetradio [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Richard Cuff Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 9:33 AM To: Internet radio discussion <internetradio@hard-core-dx.com> Subject: Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming I would agree. Whether one chooses an iOS device (iPhone / iPad) or an Android device (tablet / smartphone), marrying a good speaker to a device like this is probably the way to go. Sort of like the "component stereo" days of the 1970s onward, where we hooked up receivers (combination amplifiers / tuners), speakers, turntables, and cassette decks) for our home audio. For now, at least, the platform gatekeepers of these devices -- Apple and Google -- appear likely to maintain their dominant position in the technology ecosystem for the foreseeable future. What remains interesting is the power play between aggregators / directory servers (TuneIn top-of-mind) versus content providers... RC On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:50 AM, John Figliozzi <jfigl...@nycap.rr.com> wrote: > Hi Rob - > > I’m not sure I would purchase a Pure internet radio or any other internet > radio today. I’d be tempted to purchase a good portable bluetooth speaker > and link it to my iPhone. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming
Thanks for this post, Dan. Did they say what the change to the protocol was/is? More and more, all that matters is mobile devices. The older standalone devices are increasingly litter on the digital highway. Sad reality. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Internetradio [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Daniel L. Srebnick Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:15 PM To: Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com Subject: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming Since I first owned a Logitech Squeezebox, I've enjoyed the ability to use the Sirius app to stream the satellite radio service. In fact, many more program channels are available online than via satellite. A number of weeks back, I received an email from Sirius advising that they will be making some changes in their streaming protocol and that I should contact my device manufacturer to make sure that I would have continued service. I opened a ticket with Logitech support. At first I was advise that their developers were looking into the issue. This week, I received a response that they would not be supporting the protocol change. So, if you're interested in streaming SiriusXM on your internet radio device, don't buy a Logitech device. I don't yet know what the story will be on my Grace Reciva based devices. Dan Srebnick Aberdeen, NJ ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming
At least this time around, they are doing a public test and easing into it rather than just setting a cutoff date and leaving users to fend for themselves. No question this is the future of streaming but there is little reason to abandon half of your listeners as they have in the past. Hopefully this time they give users and vendors time to adjust. None of this helps legacy devices but so it goes. I own Grace Reciva and Logitech standalones. I guess a Pure is in my future... Anyone need a phone which has this nifty dial and hangs on your wall? -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Internetradio [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Richard Cuff Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 12:24 PM To: Internet radio discussion <internetradio@hard-core-dx.com> Subject: Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming It looks like the BBC has launched test usage of this new DASH format. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/html5 RC On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:56 AM, John Figliozzi <jfigl...@nycap.rr.com> wrote: > This changing of formats problem also affects or affected access to BBC streams, a topic that was discussed here at length when it first happened. In nosing around, I found this article that might serve as a more complete and accessible explanation than that offered by the BBC. ___ ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming
Thanks for posting hat link. The Guardian piece is one of the more balanced and reasonable articles on the whole mess. I remain amazed at the way the BBC handled all of this over the past year. It was, to borrow a phrase from the late Yogi Berra, "déjà vu all over again" for those who remember the abandonment of shortwave to the Americas. John - if you were buying a Pure tomorrow, which model would you recommend? The Evoke F4? Buy direct? -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Internetradio [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of John Figliozzi Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 11:57 AM To: Internet radio discussion <internetradio@hard-core-dx.com> Subject: Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming This changing of formats problem also affects or affected access to BBC streams, a topic that was discussed here at length when it first happened. In nosing around, I found this article that might serve as a more complete and accessible explanation than that offered by the BBC. http://gu.com/p/46c99/sbl jaf > On Sep 30, 2015, at 11:48 AM, John Figliozzi <jfigl...@nycap.rr.com> wrote: > > None of this seems to be affecting the Sirius/XM feature in Pure radios. (www.pure.com/us) The Pure Evoke F4 wifi internet radio is their latest such unit and it incorporates Sirius/XM for those who pay the latter for the privilege is listening to them via the internet. I know that Imagination Technologies, the parent company of Pure, has a working arrangement with Apple; but of course that would have nothing to do with Sirius/XM. > > John Figliozzi > >> On Sep 30, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Richard Cuff <rdc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> While I know it's no comfort when it comes to the existing Internet >> radio universe, I am sure these content providers see devices like >> $50 tablets and would rather we all migrate to those... >> >> RC >> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Daniel L. Srebnick <d...@islenet.com> >> wrote: >>> Here is a link to the SiriusXM hardware manufacturer list. I wonder >>> what other devices are now orphans? >> ___ >> Internetradio mailing list >> Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com >> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio >> >> To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. >> >> > > ___ > Internetradio mailing list > Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio > > To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. > > ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] BBC World Service to cease broadcasting in Abu Dhabi | The National
Is FM listening fading away in Abu Dhabi? If so, I get it. If not, this just seems like a cost cutting move which is justified by suggesting “other media”, i.e. smartphones as the excuse. Once it was FM that made shortwave obsolete. Now it is shortwave as an alternative to FM? Deep in the bowels of the BBC: A: the bosses want to drop FM in Abu Dhabi. They need a press statement. B: just take the one I wrote last year and switch around the outlets. Put FM where shortwave was and put smartphones where FM was and send it upstairs. A: done. B: time for lunch. -- -Rob de Santos From: Internetradio [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Richard Cuff Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 3:37 PM To: Internet radio discussion Subject: [Internetradio] BBC World Service to cease broadcasting in Abu Dhabi | The National Interesting in that FM has represented the first generation of how BBC has been reaching audiences after de-emphasizing shortwave, and now even FM is considered a sub-optimal approach there. While not explicitly stated, smartphone usage there is probably quite high, and that's likely what the BBC is banking on... Richard Cuff / Allentown, PA USA Shared link: http://www.thenational.ae/uae/bbc-world-service-to-cease-broadcasting-in-abu-dhabi ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
[Internetradio] FW: Radio World: Next Regional EAS Test On Track
Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, Michigan on March 18th. http://www.radioworld.com/article/next-regional-eas-test-on-track/274892 -- -Rob ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
[Internetradio] Slightly off topic: Latest HD radio announcements from CES
Latest list of HD radio products: http://radiomagonline.com/digital_radio/ibiquity_highlights_new_hd_radio_product s_at_2015_ces_0105/ or http://tinyurl.com/p2a657f Roberts to bring first product to North American market w/ HD radio: http://radiomagonline.com/digital_radio/roberts_radio_partners_with_ibiquity_010 6/ or http://tinyurl.com/nl5f5cl Price point seems high on this to me. Hard to see them moving lots of product at that price even allowing for the usual hefty discount between MSRP and retail. -- -Rob de Santos, K8RKD Horizons (Trends in Technology) Columnist CQ Plus Magazine ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] Radio Australia
It's difficult to know where to begin here but this is another nail in the coffin for international broadcasting. As happened at RCI, the gutted service will be of less and less value to listeners who will turn away from it and thus insure the final death knell a few years further on. RA was a valuable voice into underserved media markets in Asia and the Pacific. One only has to travel that region to understand that outside of a few major capitals and parts of China, Japan, and South Korea shortwave remains vitally important. I would note that there is a tiny bit of light here. The redundancies are almost certainly a violation of Australian labor law, as I understand it, and the courts may thus intervene. Also, the Australian Football League has already been assured it's coverage into Asia and the Pacific via Australia Television will not be affected for the remainder of the AFL season (through September 27) and will, in fact, increase to six games per week. A sad day as the voices on shortwave will be further diminished. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Internetradio [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of John A. Figliozzi Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 7:26 AM To: d...@yahoogroups.com; o...@yahoogroups.com; na...@yahoogroups.com; Shortwave programming discussion; Internet radio discussion Subject: [Internetradio] Radio Australia Here's what I've been able to assemble from various sources that I consider reliable about what can only be described as a truly catastrophic situation for Radio Australia. Keep in mind that RA management is left with few options, none of them good, in its efforts to preserve and maintain anything resembling a viable service for its regional and international audiences. - The English Language Programming department (ELP) is effectively gutted. The only remaining RA productions in English appear to be some hourly news bulletins and the Pacific Beat program. All else, including the excellent Asia Pacific program, ceases. - At least for the time being, RA intends to maintain a 24/7 English language service by pulling all of its content from ABC Radio domestic sources (except for the morsels described above). A revised ELP schedule is in preparation and will be announced and implemented shortly. - Language services in Tok Pisin, Vietnamese, Khmer, Chinese, French and Burmese appear to remain but only in some skeletal form since about 3/4 to 4/5 of those staffs are to be axed. Again, it appears the plan is to pull some content from domestic sources, this time from SBS whose administration is likely to be housed with what's left of RA at Southbank in Melbourne as indicated in a previous press report. - As unbelievable as this may sound, the situation is so dire and so immediate that there will be a culling of half of the journalists on staff via a random process -- no evaluations, experience, records of achievement or years of service considered. - No reduction in shortwave schedules has yet been indicated, but it's hard to see how that continues unaffected and unabated beyond anything but the very short term. Personally, I will reserve comment on all this at this time and let the facts speak for themselves. However, some of you will be aware of my admiration and appreciation for Radio Australia over the decades so you are free to draw your own conclusions in that regard. John Figliozzi The Worldwide Listening Guide wwlgonline.com ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] [Swprograms] Radio Australia
John, In regards to the ABC, I'll disagree that this is purely ideological, but rather is wrapped in the internal politics of Australia. NewsCorp has been seething for several years now over the handling of the tender for the rights to operate the Australia Network TV service. My take is this: The Liberal government under John Howard had a mixed relationship with NewsCorp and didn't give them the chance to run the service when it launched as they had wanted. When the Labor government took power under Kevin Rudd in 2007, they promised to complete an open rights tender process for the TV service. In the first round of tender, NewsCorp won the rights but the courts determined the government mishandled it and threw it out. It then landed in the middle of the feuds between Julia Gilliard and Rudd over control of the Labor party and eventually when it was re-bid, the ABC won over NewsCorp. Ever since NewsCorp has been determined to hit back at the ABC and by throwing political support behind Abbott and his campaign in 2013 is now getting payment for that support. This is political. While ideological reasons might seem to be explanation here that's not the driving force IMHO. It's just convenient cover for Abbott. After all, every poll I've seen suggests that the Australians across all political persuasions support the ABC to some degree or another and it is essential in rural Australia where the Liberal-National coalition is strong. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: John A. Figliozzi [mailto:jfigl...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:40 PM To: Shortwave programming discussion Cc: Rob de Santos; Internet radio discussion Subject: Re: [Swprograms] [Internetradio] Radio Australia I have no disagreement whatsoever with your excellent (as usual) analysis. But I find it somewhat discordant that the BBCWS constantly touts increases in raw listening numbers worldwide and targets that represent near double digit growth year to year. I sincerely doubt there are 180 million opinion formers (or whatever phrase they're using these days) to target. In RA's case, however, none of this is the cause. This is, pure and simple, an ideological attack on public service broadcasting. RA knows full well who it's target audience is: media and information deprived areas in the Pacific island nations and principally urban audiences in Southeast Asia. It's in their recently revised charter as a major focus. It's not RA that is the genesis of this contraction, it's the Abbott government's design to strangle the ABC under the guise of rationalizing its organization and services and dramatically shrinking the public sector in favor of the private under the guise of necessary emergency efficiencies -- a manufactured crisis. This has been a pattern with conservative-oriented governments and factions the world over, including here. While no one should deny that there are reasons to pursue prudent efficiencies, those reasons are being falsely overblown and inflated in the pursuit of purely ideological objectives that demonstrably lack majority popular support. It might be the most successful propaganda effort in history and it is happening right underneath our noses. The stench is overpowering but we seem incapable of locating the air freshener. jaf Sent from my iPad On Jul 15, 2014, at 7:52 PM, Richard Cuff rdc...@gmail.com wrote: Over the past 10+ years, one of the fundamental changes in how international broadcasters operate is that broadcasters have become selective and purposeful in identifying audiences to serve. The BBC was one of the first to do this, focusing on opinion formers, if you remember their stated approach in 2001 when they cut English shortwave broadcasts to North America. Simply reaching the largest possible audience is no longer the goal. Rather, the goal is to identify a specifically defined target audience segment, and then figure out the best way to reach that segment. If that means abandoning your existing audience, so be it, if you don't believe that existing audience serves your national purpose. To Rob's point, if the people one believes are important to reach are those in the major capitals, or in the Internet-rich areas of South Korea and Japan, then that's where one puts the effort...shortwave be damned. This line of thinking is diametrically opposed to the thinking that drove the establishment and growth of international broadcasting from the 1920s to, say, 1990. In those days, bigger was better...you wanted to reach the largest possible audience as reliably as possible. You didn't worry about targeting -- the concept really hadn't developed yet. This approach was serendipitous for the listener...in these pre-Internet days...because those who wanted to hear diverse voices had no alternatives available to them. While this trend is understandable, it's also parochial and grievously short-sighted
Re: [Internetradio] Podding Along - Issue 2
Nice work, John. Some excellent choices. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Internetradio [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of John Figliozzi Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 12:48 PM To: DXLD; Internet radio discussion Cc: *NASWA; ODXA yg Subject: [Internetradio] Podding Along - Issue 2 Like many, I've discovered that my regular exercise regimen is much more interesting and productive when I combine it with podcast listening. Making the mind healthier and arguably more agile, along with the body, would seem a prudent thing to do, not to mention a more efficient use of time. In that regard, here are some podcasts from international and public radio sources that I've found particularly interesting and edifying in the hope that you might as well. In addition to via the websites referenced, these podcasts generally are made available through several other popular internet sources such as iTunes and TuneIn. BIG IDEAS - ABC Radio National Corporate Crime and Punishment Does the big end of town get an easy ride and, if so, are tougher penalties needed to curb white collar crime? Three regulators--Greg Medcraft, Chair Australian Securities and Investment Commission; Dr. John Laker AO, Chair Australian Prudential Regulation Authority; Rod Sims, Chair Australian Competition and Consumer Commission--talk with ethicist Simon Longstaff about what should be in their toolkit to punish corporate crime. (55') http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/corporate-crime-and-punish ment/5416326 THE MEDIA SHOW - BBC Radio 4 BBC Trust's Review of BBC News; Lachlan Murdoch A BBC Trust review into the corporation's news and current affairs output says that it needs to do more to make an impact. The report found that audiences looking for quality investigative journalism rated Channel 4 higher than the BBC. It also said that on and off screen diversity needs to be addressed. In his first interview for the Media Show, James Harding, head of BBC News, sets out how he's going to improve coverage. Also in the studio; Richard Sambrook former director of Global News and the BBC and Stewart Purvis, non-executive director of Channel Four and former editor in Chief at ITN, discuss how improvements might be made at a time when money needs to be saved. Lachlan Murdoch, son of Rupert, has been appointed non-executive co-chairman of both entertainment company 21st Century Fox and global newspaper company News Corp, alongside his father. He's finally been persuaded to rejoin the family business, and now looks set to be the heir to his father's empire. Richard Aedy, Presenter of The Media Report on ABC Radio National in Sydney, Australia - where Lachlan has been based - tells Steve Hewlett what's being made of the appointments back in the Murdochs' home country. (30') http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b041y1mz THE MEDIA REPORT - ABC Radio National The Invention of News You and I want to know what's going on and our ancestors did too. For them it was easy enough to be on top of what was happening in their village or district, but altogether more difficult to know much beyond that. Essentially, we relied on travellers to tell us what was happening in the wider world and then, as now, we had to trust the messenger if we were going to believe their stories. Andrew Pettegree is an historian whose particular expertise is Europe in the Reformation and Renaissance, so today's show focuses on the European origins of news. (29') http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/mediareport/the-origin-of-news/5395 272 - John Figliozzi The Worldwide Listening Guide - 6th edition now available wwlgonline.com ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] Guardian Article on Radio's Future
Thanks for posting the link John. A few thoughts in reaction: The radio industry wisdom is that standalone internet radios are a dead end. I suspect that is partly wrong. Radios with internet capability as well as FM reception would seem to be a viable product. My fairly new and expensive receiver at the heart of the entertainment center has a built-in internet radio. I've written in several places that radios should have more VCR/DVR like capability to record and playback. Maybe that's considered obsolete in an on-demand world but I have my doubts. The portal dependence issue remains a problem for internet radio. Reciva really missed the chance to be where the TuneIn app is now. They still have the 2nd largest database behind TuneIn. I use radios/apps which are based on Reciva, TuneIn, Vtuner, and a few more. I'd be much happier though if my favorites were portable. Content is the first thing you have to have. No technological delivery mechanism can overcome bad or missing content. DAB is an outdated technology. The British government remains wedded to it despite the obvious shortcomings. DAB+ is much better but much more expensive to implement. Ibiquity's HD radio is better than DAB but suffers from a variety of problems that I need not detail to those reading this. DRM seems largely forgotten by the analysts but as we know, it may have some limited life on shortwave in terms of combining voice or music with data transmission but given the general direction of shortwave it may be too late. Perhaps someone could update us on where India is with the digital decision and if DRM is still alive there. I've seen reports that Brazil is divided on the DRM vs. Ibiquity decision. From some indications, Ibiquity has won out in Mexico and maybe Canada? Anyone have clarity on that? I welcome any comments whether you agree or disagree with this take. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Internetradio [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of John Figliozzi Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 4:27 PM To: Internet radio discussion; Shortwave programming discussion Cc: DXLD; *NASWA Subject: [Internetradio] Guardian Article on Radio's Future It's not specifically shortwave focused--though the medium is mentioned within the comments section--but has relevance all the same. The comments pertaining to FM and digital, along with complaints that wifi radios can't be found easily, pertain primarily to the UK but much of that could be transferred to the NA situation as well. http://www.theguardian.com/media/media-blog/2013/oct/13/radio-industry-cool-toys John Figliozzi Halfmoon, NY ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
[Internetradio] FW: TuneIn on Samsung Shape: reinventing radio and consumer behavior | RAIN: Radio And Internet Newsletter
Samsung is out with a internet radio which isn't being marketed as an internet radio and depends primarily on TuneIn and Pandora. This seems to be the trend. Bose is also out with another device in the same vein but with a much higher price tag. There is info on that, too, on the RAIN web site. http://www.kurthanson.com/news/tunein-samsung-shape-reinventing-radio-and-consum er-behavior -Rob de Santos ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] College Freshmen and Radio
I think it's clear that radio (at least in the US) has not done a good job of marketing itself to younger listeners or given them reasons to listen. I also think that the ability to participate and be part of the dialog is important as David's experience suggests. With the rapid movement of talk and sport formats from AM to FM in the US, it does make you wonder if AM will be viable at all in the major markets a decade from now. Clearly, young people still want to be heard but have had little reason to see radio as a way to do that. That's very unlike the generation to which most of us in this discussion belong. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: David Goren [mailto:shortwaveol...@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:37 AM To: Internet radio discussion Cc: rdesan...@afana.com Subject: Re: [Internetradio] College Freshmen and Radio I certainly have come across my share of young people who not only don't listen to radio, but they don't even understand what it is. When I mention I'm a radio producer and make a weekly program I only see a glimmer of understanding in their eyes when I say: It's sort of like a podcast. That said there's a burgeoning corps of young people interested in storming the gates of public radio...or public media as they call it. I've recently been holding some intro to recording and production workshops. They've sold out right away my students are almost all under 30...and almost all lovely young women! Where were they in my radio youth? They're all in love with Ira Glass. On Aug 22, 2012, at 7:40 AM, John Figliozzi wrote: It's the same old story... Chasing the girl you want but can't impress while eschewing the one you have or could have... Sent from my iPad On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:45 PM, Rob de Santos rdesan...@afana.com wrote: I saw this, too. While I am wary of ever taking these sorts of over-generalized pieces seriously, there is a kernel of truth here. AM radio listening among those under 19 is in the low single digits and FM is only a few multiples better. I just wrote a column for the November PopComm discussing the future of AM radio in the US for just this reason. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Richard Cuff Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 2:37 PM To: Internet radio discussion; Shortwave programming discussion Subject: [Internetradio] College Freshmen and Radio So I come across this fluff news piece regarding the collegiate Class of 2016 as they begin their freshman year, and I found this one statement somewhat telling: Digital everything has always been a part of their lives -- be it music, movies or e-books. Having grown up with MP3s and iPods, they seldom listen to music on the car radio and pretty much have no use for radio at all. So is it any wonder why broadcasters seeking younger audiences are eschewing good ol' radio, let alone shortwave?? http://www.wfmz.com/lifestyle/List-charts-today-s-college-freshman-cu lture/-/121 514/16206996/-/jbak4yz/-/index.html Richard Cuff / Allentown, PA USA ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] Saving Auntie: Meet the BBC's new boss : CJR
What I have heard about BBC World News is that cable operators feel that they already have enough news channels and feel viewers don't want more international news. My sense is that in addition, they feel if they open the door to the BBC, they feel will have to open it to Al Jazeera and other channels. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finlayson Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 10:48 PM To: Internet radio discussion Cc: Internet radio discussion Subject: Re: [Internetradio] Saving Auntie: Meet the BBC's new boss : CJR I share your distress over how hard it is to find BBC World News. Where I live Verizon Fios carries it and some Comcast systems have carry it but neither Dish Network or DirecTV have it. I've long since given up asking DirecTV, they just refuse to comment. Sandy Finlayson On Jul 10, 2012, at 8:02 PM, John Figliozzi jfigl...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Yeah, let's hope that Jubilee show was just a stumble and not an example of what's to come. I've been complaining for years (it may seem longer to others) about the penchant for public broadcasters to recreate themselves as commercial broadcasting lite. They have markedly different missions and values, if they're doing the jobs correctly. A side issue: Why is it so damn hard to get stateside cable operators to add BBC World News Channel? I can't get a suitable answer from Time Warner officials... and I work in the industry! (as a regulator) They carry BBC America and I doubt it's a capacity issue. They just added about half a dozen adult pay per view) services. It's not a reach to say that the latter do make them money.. but the BBC services are not a heavy lift financially speaking. John Figliozzi On Jul 10, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Sandy Finlayson wrote: Interesting that the article picked up on the complaints over the Diamond Jubilee. The coverage I saw on BBC America was certainly a mixed bag ranging from the professional and traditional to the utterly frivolous and silly. The coverage of the Thames pageant will go down in history as some of the worst live coverage the BBC has ever done. Everyone gets things wrong but it was really bad. SF -Original Message- From: internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Richard Cuff Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 4:35 PM To: Shortwave programming discussion; Internet radio discussion Subject: [Internetradio] Saving Auntie: Meet the BBC's new boss : CJR From the Columbia Journalism Review RC http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/saving_auntie_meet_the_bbcs_ne.php ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] NYTimes.com: New Hits Needed; Apply to NPR
Interesting article and yes, as good as some of the programming is, it has been slow to evolve. There are lots of talented people out there (some of them are on this list!), and there have to be good programs that would find an audience. I'd add that if you peruse the programs on the Public Radio exchange there is a good set of candidates already. -- -Rob de Santos From: internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of jfigl...@nycap.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:42 AM To: internetradio@hard-core-dx.com Subject: [Internetradio] NYTimes.com: New Hits Needed; Apply to NPR Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. http://www.nytimes.com/ Image removed by sender. The New York TimesImage removed by sender. E-mail This Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. This page was sent to you by: jfigl...@nycap.rr.com Message from sender: NPR tries to skew younger... New Hits Needed; Apply to NPR http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/19/arts/npr-looks-to-new-shows-like-ask-me-anoth er.html?emc=eta1 Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. Advertisement Lola Versus Starring Greta Gerwig and Zoe Lister-Jones. Now Playing in Select Theaters Watch the trailer http://www.nytimes.com/adx/bin/adx_click.html?type=gotoopznpage=www.nytimes.c om/mem/emailthis.htmlpos=Center1sn2=61a932e9/f76e0495sn1=aa61d899/e2a6401cam p=FSL2012_ArticleTools_120x60_1787507d_nyt5ad=LolaVersus_120x60_WithText_June8 goto=http://www.foxsearchlight.com/lolaversus http://www.nytimes.com/adx/bin/adx_click.html?type=gotoopznpage=www.nytimes.c om/mem/emailthis.htmlpos=Center1sn2=61a932e9/f76e0495sn1=aa61d899/e2a6401cam p=FSL2012_ArticleTools_120x60_1787507d_nyt5ad=LolaVersus_120x60_WithText_June8 goto=http://www.foxsearchlight.com/lolaversus Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. Copyright 2012 http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/help/copyright.html The New York Times Company http://www.nytco.com/ | Privacy Policy http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/help/privacy.html Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. ~WRD000.jpgimage001.jpgimage002.jpgimage003.jpgimage004.jpgimage005.jpgimage006.jpgimage007.jpgimage008.jpgimage009.jpgimage010.jpg___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] ABC Radio philosopher Alan Saunders dies - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Sad story and his broadcasts will be missed. Makes those warnings to see a doctor for any persistent cold or cough take on a whole new meaning. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of John Figliozzi Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 10:32 PM To: Internet radio discussion Cc: Shortwave programming discussion Subject: Re: [Internetradio] ABC Radio philosopher Alan Saunders dies - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) Felled by pneumonia in less than 24 hours at 58 years old. Didn't know that could happen and wonder if there were other illness involved which so weakened him. His wisdom and wit will most certainly be greatly missed by anyone who had the honor of hearing him on RN. John Figliozzi Halfmoon, NY On Jun 15, 2012, at 9:48 AM, Richard Cuff wrote: Sad news. He hosted programming with unusual themes - the Philosopher's Zone and By Design - that have been part of Radio Australia's offering over the years. Richard Cuff / Allentown, PA USA http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-15/abc-radio-philosopher-alan-saund ers-dies/4073618 ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] Shameless Self-Promotion Department
I recommend the book to customers that ask. Nice job John. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: jfigl...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:jfigl...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 11:25 AM To: swprogr...@hard-core-dx.com; internetradio@hard-core-dx.com; o...@yahoogroups.com; na...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Internetradio] Shameless Self-Promotion Department Andy Sennitt has reviewed a new book on the Media Network weblog. http://blogs.rnw.nl/medianetwork/sitemap/review-the-worldwide-listening-guide-5t h-edition ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] Internet Radio Holiday Gift Ideas
Interestingly, Rich, I made the same point regarding Adobe in another discussion forum a few days ago. The demise of Flash (probably on the desktop eventually, too) is likely to breathe new life into technologies more compatible with standalone Internet radios. I also think your observation on the general lack of Android docks is a good one. There is a market there and electronics manufacturers have been slow to go after it. A related note is that my Android based phone actually comes with an FM chip, too, and when you plug in earbuds it will use the earbud wires as an antenna and tune into FM broadcasts (alas no HD yet). Of course, with all the internet radio apps I have rarely had a reason to use it though my daughter (age 12) actually does use it. Imagine, radio from a broadcast. How retro. grin -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Richard Cuff [mailto:rdc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:13 PM To: Internet radio discussion Subject: Re: [Internetradio] Internet Radio Holiday Gift Ideas The whole iPod / iPhone dock world is a space unto itself. I bought an iHome unit a couple weeks ago as a hybrid clock radio - internet radio, since I already have the iPhone. Sound is OK, not great, but serviceable. Set me back $50 at Best Buy. https://www.ihomeaudio.com/iP21GVC/ Slightly off topic, but I wonder if the white flag being hoisted by Adobe regarding Flash for mobile devices will prolong the utility of Internet radios for those broadcasters who jumped headlong into flash audio without retaining MP3/AAC audio options. That's one thing the iPhone has going for it vs. Android devices -- I have seen very few choices for Android speaker-dock combinations. RC On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Sandy Finlayson sfinlay...@wts.edu wrote: PC Magazine reviewed this and said that while they like the look the sound wasn't great. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] Listening to BBC Radio overseas
On the Android side of the ledger, TuneIn is also very good with both a free and a paid (Pro) version. There are also some nice apps for BBC Radio, and radio related stuff such as Shortwave Schedules (automatically downloaded from primetimeshortwae.com), Scanner Radio, Stitcher (podcasts), etc. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Richard Cuff [mailto:rdc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:11 PM To: Internet radio discussion Subject: Re: [Internetradio] Listening to BBC Radio overseas Yeah, I would agree that TuneIn is the most useful iPhone app. It isn't sufficient on its own...the CBS Radio stations are no longer available, and one must use their app to listen, for those rare instances when a KYW/WCBS fix is in order... Rich C On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Sandy Finlayson sfinlay...@wts.edu wrote: I've become a major fan of the TuneIn Radio app since I acquired my iPad in the summer. With a bit of poking around and organizing of favorites it offers and amazing range of radio options. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
[Internetradio] BBC Audiopedia, Roku to add Pandora button to remotes, etc.
Several items of interest to internet radio folks in today's RAIN Newsletter: http://kurthanson.com/category/issue-title/rain-114-bbc-offer-immense-audio-arch ive-online-%22audiopedia%22-website BBC to make entire audio archive available as Audiopedia Roku to add Pandora button to remotes If you don't check RAIN out regularly and you have an interest in Radio and the Internet I highly recommend it. -- -Rob de Santos ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] Reciva changes direction and future of internet radios unclear
Well, Kevin, if you are satisfied with what you have then it's not an issue. However, I think any dependence on a specific media source (including NPR and the CBC) would seem to me to be fraught with risk these days. IMHO, the best strategy is to have as many options as possible. No technology or device is without risk of obsolescence. Your concern with the external database is misplaced in this discussion of Reciva. The Reciva database is the one thing that isn't at risk at present. The public statements indicate that the new strategy depends on that database and Reciva is still maintaining it on a daily basis. Nothing is forever but for now, the database is not at risk. As Dan has pointed out, the firmware in many cases can be replaced with the Sharpfin project (if it comes to that) and that allows use of a local or substitute database. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Kevin Anderson [mailto:k9...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 10:27 AM To: Internet radio discussion Subject: Re: [Internetradio] Reciva changes direction and future of internet radios unclear Not that I've had any desire to depend on an external database to make an internet appliance run, this type of change by Reciva has more-or-less cemented my likelihood of NOT buying such a device, no matter how cheap they might get. If I can't depend on the service behind the device, why bother? And since I don't have a smartphone and am not likely to get one in the future if I can help it, I probably won't be going the route of depending on, or even really listening to, audio programming via the internet or streaming platforms except for the occasional download or podcast to the computer. For the most part I'm content with NPR over-the-air programming and the slight variety in the timing of program selection by my having at least three different public radio stations/networks at my disposal over the air (who fortunately don't follow exactly the same schedule). Plus I keep one of my bedside radios on CBC R1 on the CBW 990 AM version out of Manitoba, which fortunately comes in on skip around my bedtime most nights. Old fashioned I guess, even at age 51. So is my wife. Kevin Anderson -- - Kevin Anderson, Dubuque IA USA, K9IUA k9iua (at) yahoo (dot) com - ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
[Internetradio] Reciva changes direction and future of internet radios unclear
Reciva has announced that it is moving away from development based on dedicated hardware for internet radios to a software based, web site based approach. http://corporate.reciva.com/pages/160 It seems to be that absent any information to the contrary, radios such as the Grace and CCrane based on the existing technology will be frozen in software time and will continue working for the immediate future. Unfortunately, they have not yet been forthcoming on all of this so this is just my reading between the lines. -- -Rob de Santos ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] Reciva changes direction and future of internet radios unclear
Excellent observations, Rich. There were hints the past few months that something was up. Development on beta versions all but stopped; the user forums were at least partially closed; and rumors were that large numbers of staff were laid off. Well before that though, Reciva has suffered from a failure to update their firmware in a timely manner and other competitors had added features that they failed to match with equivalent or better options. Anyone who has tried one of the latest versions of the Logitech products can see what is possible. My hope is that if they do abandon the hardware side, the firmware is made open source allowing those interested to keep it alive. Whether the new strategy can be implemented any more successfully than the old one is unclear. Their financial position is also unclear. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Richard Cuff [mailto:rdc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:22 PM To: rdesan...@afana.com; Internet radio discussion Subject: Re: [Internetradio] Reciva changes direction and future of internet radios unclear Not a real surprise when you stop think about how how computing technology is moving to an always-connected state. This shift, as they state, decouples their work from the gizmos themselves -- if a device can interact with the application-programming interface (the API) then the device can use whatever info that Reciva has created. The shift also allows Reciva to hedge their bets - by ignoring the platform itself and focusing on the value-added of their station information. Take this Google Mail website that I'm using -- doesn't matter if I use Windows 7, Mac OS, a Linux flavor, or a mobile phone; I can still access GMail. What could mess things up for Reciva-based hardware is a blessing of Flash audio by Apple for its iPhones / iPods / iPads. As long as a significant chunk of the web audience doesn't have access to Flash formatted material, we users of Internet Radio hardware won't likely be shut out. Richard Cuff / Allentown, PA ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] BBC World Service to end use of Real Media this month
It will have little to no impact, for a number of reasons. First, the dropping of Real formats by the BBC started a long time ago and most of the online listings that internet radios depend on (Reciva.com, Vtuner, etc.) have absorbed this already. Beyond that, most support either or both of Windows media and MP3 so nothing really has changed in that regard. As Rich noted, much of the material is available in MP3, too, they just don't publicize it. Finally, they won't stop supporting the Apple world so something beyond WMA will be there even if not promoted. Flash is a bigger problem as most internet radios do not support Flash. What we've seen though is that once the purveyors realize that Flash only cuts out a huge segment of the audience (keep in mind that you don't find Flash on many Apple devices... at least not officially) they add a non-Flash stream. There are a few radio stations that don't get this including at least one in Columbus. -- -Rob de Santos Columbus, OH -Original Message- From: Kevin Anderson [mailto:k9...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:17 AM To: Internet radio discussion Subject: Re: [Internetradio] BBC World Service to end use of Real Media this month I have not purchased an internet radio appliance - how will they deal with this change? Do any appliances run Flash? Or will appliances be left to do Windows media formats only? Kevin Anderson -- - Kevin Anderson, Dubuque IA USA, K9IUA k9iua (at) yahoo (dot) com - --- On Wed, 3/16/11, Richard Cuff rdc...@gmail.com wrote: From: Richard Cuff rdc...@gmail.com Subject: [Internetradio] BBC World Service to end use of Real Media this month To: Internet radio discussion internetradio@hard-core-dx.com Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 10:29 PM As of March 14th, live and on-demand programming will no longer be offered in Real Media format; only Windows Media and Flash alternatives will be offered. The World Service claims that both of these formats have eclipsed Real Media in percentage of listening. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/institutional/2011/03/110314_real_cessation.sh tml . Left unstated is the fact that downloadable audio (positioned as podcasts, actually) is available in MP3 format. -- Richard Cuff / Allentown, PA USA International broadcasting / shortwave blog: http://www.intlradio.blogspot.com ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above. ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] Two new iPhone apps using Reciva
Your welcome and thanks for the hands-on report. Helpful to know the app is useful. I imagine they'll fix most of the codec issues in due course. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Scott Walker [mailto:richardsco...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 5:56 PM To: rdesan...@afana.com; Internet radio discussion Subject: Re: [Internetradio] Two new iPhone apps using Reciva Rob: Thanks for the heads-up on this. I installed the Reciva iRadio app on my iPod Touch yesterday. Since then I have added all of the stations that I had in my ComOne Phoenix, except for the Realaudio streams, which the iRadio app does not play. This eliminates the VOA, for instance. I also found that it would not play C-SPAN radio, even in WM format, which I still don't understand, but I found that there is a free C-SPAN app for the iPod that works fine. Other than that, iRadio plays the public broadcasters from the U.S. and around the world that I listen to most often. With a docking station, this effectively replaces the Phoenix and is more user-friendly and flexible. The Reciva database appears to be very well populated with broadcasters. -Scott Walker On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Rob de Santos rdesan...@afana.com wrote: The Reciva.com database is finally making its way into apps for smartphones: http://dabdig.blogspot.com/2010/02/mobile-applications-using-reciva.html or http://tinyurl.com/ylrehpc I'm sure apps for the other smartphones like Blackberries and Androids will follow. -- -Rob de Santos ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] How does thelounge.com compare?
Here's a review of the Logitech Squeezebox, admittedly Eurocentric but still useful: http://www.pricemo.com/laptops/reviews-logitech-squeezebox-radio-36561/ or http://tinyurl.com/yhqclcs -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Scott Walker [mailto:richardsco...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:32 PM To: Internet radio discussion Subject: Re: [Internetradio] How does thelounge.com compare? Thanks for all the input on the subject I started. I've heard a lot of good opinions here. I understand that it can all be done with a netbook, but I really think that the ergonomics of a portable radio with a handle, battery and an easy to use interface (knobs) is important to me. We like to use the device in multiple rooms and have it by the bed at night. That is what the ComOne Phoenix offered. I think the Evoke Flow looks like a winner, but I would like to know if its display is large enough. John, can a middle-aged guy use the Flow without his reading glasses? -Scott Walker ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
[Internetradio] Logitech radios (was) How does thelounge.com compare?
I think the standalone internet radio has made all the difference for me. Listening over my computers at home tended to be more distracting than enjoyable. So far as that goes, I agree. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: John Figliozzi [mailto:jfigl...@mac.com] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 6:01 PM To: rdesan...@afana.com; Internet radio discussion Subject: Re: [Internetradio] How does thelounge.com compare? Logitech makes good stuff. That new color screen is impressive. And I agree with Scott's preference for something that looks and functions like a traditional radio. One of the reasons I was a little slow on the internet radio uptake is that listening via a computer sort of repelled me. Stupid? Perhaps, but there you have it. Ever since I got the Evoke Flow, me and it are virtually inseparable in the house just like it had been (and still is) with my favorite shortwave receivers. jaf On Feb 19, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Rob de Santos wrote: Here's a review of the Logitech Squeezebox, admittedly Eurocentric but still useful: http://www.pricemo.com/laptops/reviews-logitech-squeezebox- radio-36561/ or http://tinyurl.com/yhqclcs -- -Rob de Santos ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
[Internetradio] Review of CC Wi-Fi Radio
http://bit.ly/dqrAeF -- -Rob de Santos Columbus, OH ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
Re: [Internetradio] A short review of Internet radios on Boston.com
I would certainly see that MP3 players, as separate devices, will go away since everyone will have a phone. I would think that counter top Internet radio devices wouldn't but they may never be the dominant delivery platform. There are things my Internet radios can and should do that wouldn't necessarily make sense on a phone. -- -Rob de Santos -Original Message- From: Richard Cuff [mailto:rdc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:14 PM To: rdesan...@afana.com Cc: Internet radio discussion Subject: Re: [Internetradio] A short review of Internet radios on Boston.com I can't answer that, but your question relates to a news story on the mobile phone industry I heard out of the corner of my brain (!) this morning -- that MP3 players will largely be obsolete in a couple years, as all mobile phones will have MP3 capability. FWIW my Blackberry already has it, but I haven't yet used it that way...I already own an inexpensive 1Gb Sandisk. Mr. Srebnick gave us an example of mobile phones' Internet audio applications in his Internet radio demo / panel discussion at the Fest. Perhaps that's why Panasonic Sony have stayed away...they see these things as short-term products that are at risk for near-term obsolescence. Rich C ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
[Internetradio] Reciva web site changes
Those of you who use Reciva based Internet radios will note a change in the Reciva.com web site that occurred a few weeks ago. The new site has a much slicker interface and is generally more useful. Among the changes are two things I have noted: .The site now allows you to nest your favorite Stations and Streams listing in multi-level directories assuming your radio's firmware allows this, too. This permits you to create your own groupings and not have just one long and almost unmanageable list. So all my Brazilian Samba stations now are together. The one drawback I have seen in the interface is that you must create the directory, stream, and add the URL in multiple steps. This is unnecessarily laborious. The click and drag interface gets major points though. .The redesign broke all the search engine links to everything in their discussion areas. So, if you find a Google or Bing link to a particular topic on Reciva.com, odds are it doesn't work. Since they provided no automatic redirection (poor QA on that) it will take awhile for the search engines to catch up and re-index all the pages again. I've also noted that Google still has links to stations that have been deleted from the Reciva database. -- -Rob de Santos ___ Internetradio mailing list Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/internetradio To unsubscribe: Send an E-mail to internetradio-requ...@hard-core-dx.com?subject=unsubscribe, or visit the URL shown above.
