Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

[Kevin Anderson via Internetradio]

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This thread reminds me of one on this forum about three years ago regarding 
appropriate el-cheapo smartphones that one doesn't use as a phone, but instead 
as an WiFi internet radio appliance.  Would one still go this route (and if so, 
which "phones" are the better choices now) or look to the now el-cheapo 7-inch 
Android tablets (some of which can be gotten for a low as $50 for off-brand 
Asian imports)?

In general I believe the Android or iOS device with TuneIn (or equivalent apps) 
is probably the way to go instead of an actual internet radio device. I have an 
8-inch Lenovo WiFi-only Android tablet that I bought a year ago for use on 
weekends as I travel to where my wife lives and works three hours away.  This 
tablet, or even the 7-inch size, seems too big for a something I might want to 
have on my bedside table as an always-plugged-in, internet-enabled replacement 
for a clock radio.  

I am otherwise not a smart phone user (still prefer a flip phone), so wondering 
what route others would recommend these days.

Kevin Anderson
Dubuque, Iowa

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Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

[Rob de Santos]

Makes sense. A cheap tablet and a speaker are easily integrated with other 
systems. Wondering aloud (in a virtual way) if the "portal" function can be 
duplicated in a public web site  -- then you have the ability to use a 
"library" of personal stations across multiple devices. I know that several of 
the apps allow you to add your stations, but I'm thinking outside that. 
Something that duplicates what the portals for Reciva, Pure, Vtuner, etc. do 
but specifically for Android/iOS based devices functioning as "internet 
radios/media devices". Create it once and use it everywhere. Might have to 
require a small monthly subscription fee to be self-supporting. 

Might be a nice website. Like I need another project...

--
-Rob de Santos

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Subject: Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

I would agree.  Whether one chooses an iOS device (iPhone / iPad) or an Android 
device (tablet / smartphone), marrying a good speaker to a device like this is 
probably the way to go.  Sort of like the "component stereo" days of the 1970s 
onward, where we hooked up receivers (combination amplifiers / tuners), 
speakers, turntables, and cassette decks) for our home audio.

For now, at least, the platform gatekeepers of these devices -- Apple and 
Google -- appear likely to maintain their dominant position in the technology 
ecosystem for the foreseeable future.

What remains interesting is the power play between aggregators / directory 
servers (TuneIn top-of-mind) versus content providers...

RC



On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:50 AM, John Figliozzi <jfigl...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> Hi Rob -
>
> I’m not sure I would purchase a Pure internet radio or any other internet 
> radio today.  I’d be tempted to purchase a good portable bluetooth speaker 
> and link it to my iPhone.
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Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

[Richard Cuff]

I would agree.  Whether one chooses an iOS device (iPhone / iPad) or
an Android device (tablet / smartphone), marrying a good speaker to a
device like this is probably the way to go.  Sort of like the
"component stereo" days of the 1970s onward, where we hooked up
receivers (combination amplifiers / tuners), speakers, turntables, and
cassette decks) for our home audio.

For now, at least, the platform gatekeepers of these devices -- Apple
and Google -- appear likely to maintain their dominant position in the
technology ecosystem for the foreseeable future.

What remains interesting is the power play between aggregators /
directory servers (TuneIn top-of-mind) versus content providers...

RC



On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:50 AM, John Figliozzi  wrote:
> Hi Rob -
>
> I’m not sure I would purchase a Pure internet radio or any other internet 
> radio today.  I’d be tempted to purchase a good portable bluetooth speaker 
> and link it to my iPhone.
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Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

[Richard Cuff]

I grabbed an LG 34C about a year ago from Walmart that is / was a
"Straight Talk Wireless" CDMA phone for $30 new.  Runs Android KitKat.
I didn't activate it as a smartphone; I just us it as an Internet
radio / mp3 device.  Doesn't have much of a speaker but I primarily
use it with headphones.  It has decent battery life; it also has
Bluetooth but I have never tried it.

Streaming audio doesn't put much demand on a smartphone, so just about
any would do.  Something that can take a microSD card at least gives
you more storage space, in case you want to dump audio books on the
device.

I checked Straight Talk Wireless for Dubuque and that same phone still
goes for $30 on the website; you actually might get it cheaper at the
Walmart website.

As for tablets, again I don't think it matters a lot, particularly if
you're going to keep it plugged in all the time.  I know some of the
$50 tablets out there only have a four-hour battery life.

And like John says, the "old-fashioned radio" experience is best, but
unfortunately just isn't very practical if one is looking at options
today...

Richard Cuff / Allentown, PA  USA


On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Kevin Anderson via Internetradio
 wrote:

> This thread reminds me of one on this forum about three years ago regarding 
> appropriate el-cheapo smartphones that one doesn't use as a phone, but 
> instead as an WiFi internet radio appliance.  Would one still go this route 
> (and if so, which "phones" are the better choices now) or look to the now 
> el-cheapo 7-inch Android tablets (some of which can be gotten for a low as 
> $50 for off-brand Asian imports)?
>
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Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

[Daniel L. Srebnick]

Sirius has disappeared from the menu of both of my Grace radios.  It is
as if it was never there!

On Wed, 2015-09-30 at 12:23 -0400, Richard Cuff wrote:
> It looks like the BBC has launched test usage of this new DASH
> format.
> 
> See http://www.bbc.co.uk/html5
> 
> RC
> 
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:56 AM, John Figliozzi <
> jfigl...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> > This changing of formats problem also affects or affected access to
> > BBC streams, a topic that was discussed here at length when it
> > first happened.  In nosing around, I found this article that might
> > serve as a more complete and accessible explanation than that
> > offered by the BBC.
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Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

[Rob de Santos]

Thanks for this post, Dan. Did they say what the change to the protocol was/is?

More and more, all that matters is mobile devices. The older standalone devices
are increasingly litter on the digital highway. Sad reality. 

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Daniel L. Srebnick
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:15 PM
To: Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

Since I first owned a Logitech Squeezebox, I've enjoyed the ability to use the
Sirius app to stream the satellite radio service.  In fact, many more program
channels are available online than via satellite.

A number of weeks back, I received an email from Sirius advising that they will
be making some changes in their streaming protocol and that I should contact my
device manufacturer to make sure that I would have continued service.

I opened a ticket with Logitech support.  At first I was advise that their
developers were looking into the issue.  This week, I received a response that
they would not be supporting the protocol change.

So, if you're interested in streaming SiriusXM on your internet radio device,
don't buy a Logitech device.

I don't yet know what the story will be on my Grace Reciva based devices.

Dan Srebnick
Aberdeen, NJ

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Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

[Richard Cuff]

I would add tablets to that mix, Rob...the same operating systems run
both devices, so the technologists get extra bang for their
investment.  Plus they get to send us ads and other collateral
material if they control the apps we use.

I wonder what's unique about TuneIn's business model (if anything)
that enables them to navigate this process more deftly?  Are they
paying content providers for the privilege of linking to their
streams?  Did Reciva do this as well?

But as you say, the legacy standalone devices that Kim Elliott mused
about 15-odd years ago have generally become digital detritus...

RC

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Rob de Santos  wrote:

> More and more, all that matters is mobile devices. The older standalone 
> devices
> are increasingly litter on the digital highway. Sad reality.
>
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Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

[Rob de Santos]

At least this time around, they are doing a public test and easing into it
rather than just setting a cutoff date and leaving users to fend for themselves.


No question this is the future of streaming but there is little reason to
abandon half of your listeners as they have in the past. Hopefully this time
they give users and vendors time to adjust. 

None of this helps legacy devices but so it goes. I own Grace Reciva and
Logitech standalones. I guess a Pure is in my future...

Anyone need a phone which has this nifty dial and hangs on your wall?

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From: Internetradio [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Cuff
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 12:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

It looks like the BBC has launched test usage of this new DASH format.

See http://www.bbc.co.uk/html5

RC

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:56 AM, John Figliozzi <jfigl...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> This changing of formats problem also affects or affected access to BBC
streams, a topic that was discussed here at length when it first happened.  In
nosing around, I found this article that might serve as a more complete and
accessible explanation than that offered by the BBC.
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Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

[John Figliozzi]

Hi Rob -

I’m not sure I would purchase a Pure internet radio or any other internet radio 
today.  I’d be tempted to purchase a good portable bluetooth speaker and link 
it to my iPhone.  And Pure has some well rated ones with its Jongo series.  I’m 
also concerned that the product information for the Pure Evoke F4 with 
Bluetooth that I have no longer seems to mention access to Sirius/XM, although 
that feature still works on my unit as I write this.  I’ve written Pure Support 
for an explanation and will share their response when I receive it.  Pure 
Support is very responsive, usually within 24-48 hours.

Having said all that, I have two Pure radios that I like very much.  The 
original Pure Evoke (which is still available at a steep discount) I have now 
resides permanently in our condo in Florida.  I’ve had it for four or five 
years and it still works well and sounds good for a radio its size.  The only 
proviso with that one is that the changes made at the BBC make Listen Again 
inoperable on it due to firmware incompatibility.  Most BBC programs are also 
available as podcasts, so that is not a “fatal” issue.  The Evoke F4 lives in 
our home in New York.  Its audio seems a little more powerful with additional 
bass response over the original Evoke.  The Bluetooth feature is added in a 
rather clunky way via a small USB plug-in at the back of the set, but it works. 
 Both radios are made portable through use of a charge-pak (different ones for 
each model) that provide about 8-10 hours of wireless listening when fully 
charged.  The chargepaks are optional accessories that run about $50.  Worth 
it, in my opinion.

As with other internet radios, for full feature usability one needs to register 
the unit(s) on the pureconnect web site.  This works pretty much the same way 
similar sites work with their proprietary radios.  It is regularly updated and, 
as I said, the Pure support staff is very responsive.  Adding stations that 
aren’t yet in Pure’s database is very easily accomplished.  I’ve done it many 
times.

An alternative that works well also is the Pure Evoke One portable, which is 
smaller than the Evoke and Evoke F4.  We raffled one off at Winterfest a couple 
of years ago.  It has fewer features (no bluetooth) but does have a headphone 
jack to which a larger speaker could be connected if the audio from the unit is 
deemed not to be pleasing enough.

John

> On Sep 30, 2015, at 11:57 PM, Rob de Santos <rdesan...@afana.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for posting hat link. The Guardian piece is one of the more balanced 
> and
> reasonable articles on the whole mess. I remain amazed at the way the BBC
> handled all of this over the past year. It was, to borrow a phrase from the 
> late
> Yogi Berra, "déjà vu all over again" for those who remember the abandonment of
> shortwave to the Americas. 
> 
> John - if you were buying a Pure tomorrow, which model would you recommend? 
> The
> Evoke F4? Buy direct?
> 
> --
> -Rob de Santos
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Internetradio [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf 
> Of
> John Figliozzi
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 11:57 AM
> To: Internet radio discussion <internetradio@hard-core-dx.com>
> Subject: Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming
> 
> This changing of formats problem also affects or affected access to BBC 
> streams,
> a topic that was discussed here at length when it first happened.  In nosing
> around, I found this article that might serve as a more complete and 
> accessible
> explanation than that offered by the BBC.
> 
> http://gu.com/p/46c99/sbl
> 
> jaf
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2015, at 11:48 AM, John Figliozzi <jfigl...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>> 
>> None of this seems to be affecting the Sirius/XM feature in Pure radios.
> (www.pure.com/us)  The Pure Evoke F4 wifi internet radio is their latest such
> unit and it incorporates Sirius/XM for those who pay the latter for the
> privilege is listening to them via the internet.  I know that Imagination
> Technologies, the parent company of Pure, has a working arrangement with 
> Apple;
> but of course that would have nothing to do with Sirius/XM.  
>> 
>> John Figliozzi
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Richard Cuff <rdc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> While I know it's no comfort when it comes to the existing Internet 
>>> radio universe, I am sure these content providers see devices like 
>>> $50 tablets and would rather we all migrate to those...
>>> 
>>> RC
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Daniel L. Srebnick <d...@islenet.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Here is a link to the SiriusXM hardware manufacturer list.  I wonder 
>>>> what other devices are no

Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

[Rob de Santos]

Thanks for posting hat link. The Guardian piece is one of the more balanced and
reasonable articles on the whole mess. I remain amazed at the way the BBC
handled all of this over the past year. It was, to borrow a phrase from the late
Yogi Berra, "déjà vu all over again" for those who remember the abandonment of
shortwave to the Americas. 

John - if you were buying a Pure tomorrow, which model would you recommend? The
Evoke F4? Buy direct?

--
-Rob de Santos

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From: Internetradio [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of
John Figliozzi
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 11:57 AM
To: Internet radio discussion <internetradio@hard-core-dx.com>
Subject: Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

This changing of formats problem also affects or affected access to BBC streams,
a topic that was discussed here at length when it first happened.  In nosing
around, I found this article that might serve as a more complete and accessible
explanation than that offered by the BBC.

http://gu.com/p/46c99/sbl

jaf

> On Sep 30, 2015, at 11:48 AM, John Figliozzi <jfigl...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> None of this seems to be affecting the Sirius/XM feature in Pure radios.
(www.pure.com/us)  The Pure Evoke F4 wifi internet radio is their latest such
unit and it incorporates Sirius/XM for those who pay the latter for the
privilege is listening to them via the internet.  I know that Imagination
Technologies, the parent company of Pure, has a working arrangement with Apple;
but of course that would have nothing to do with Sirius/XM.  
> 
> John Figliozzi
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Richard Cuff <rdc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> While I know it's no comfort when it comes to the existing Internet 
>> radio universe, I am sure these content providers see devices like 
>> $50 tablets and would rather we all migrate to those...
>> 
>> RC
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Daniel L. Srebnick <d...@islenet.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> Here is a link to the SiriusXM hardware manufacturer list.  I wonder 
>>> what other devices are now orphans?
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Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

[Daniel L. Srebnick]

No technical information about the changes was provided by SiriusXM in
the email to customers.

Now, when I try to access any channel via the Squeezebox a continuous
loop plays indicating that that "If you're hearing this message then
you have a device that will need an upgrade..."  It encourages the
listener to switch to a current technology platform.

On Wed, 2015-09-30 at 06:23 -0400, Rob de Santos wrote:
> Thanks for this post, Dan. Did they say what the change to the
> protocol was/is?
> 
> More and more, all that matters is mobile devices. The older
> standalone devices
> are increasingly litter on the digital highway. Sad reality. 
> 
> --
> -Rob de Santos
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Internetradio [mailto:internetradio-boun...@hard-core-dx.com]
> On Behalf Of
> Daniel L. Srebnick
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:15 PM
> To: Internetradio@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming
> 
> Since I first owned a Logitech Squeezebox, I've enjoyed the ability
> to use the
> Sirius app to stream the satellite radio service.  In fact, many more
> program
> channels are available online than via satellite.
> 
> A number of weeks back, I received an email from Sirius advising that
> they will
> be making some changes in their streaming protocol and that I should
> contact my
> device manufacturer to make sure that I would have continued service.
> 
> I opened a ticket with Logitech support.  At first I was advise that
> their
> developers were looking into the issue.  This week, I received a
> response that
> they would not be supporting the protocol change.
> 
> So, if you're interested in streaming SiriusXM on your internet radio
> device,
> don't buy a Logitech device.
> 
> I don't yet know what the story will be on my Grace Reciva based
> devices.
> 
> Dan Srebnick
> Aberdeen, NJ
> 
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Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

[Daniel L. Srebnick]

Here is a link to the SiriusXM hardware manufacturer list.  I wonder
what other devices are now orphans?

https://www.siriusxm.com/servlet/Satellite?c=SXM_PageDetail_C
name=SXM%2FSXM_PageDetail_C%2FOpenContent=1282009813711=SX
M%2FWrapper
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Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

[Richard Cuff]

It looks like the BBC has launched test usage of this new DASH format.

See http://www.bbc.co.uk/html5

RC

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:56 AM, John Figliozzi  wrote:
> This changing of formats problem also affects or affected access to BBC 
> streams, a topic that was discussed here at length when it first happened.  
> In nosing around, I found this article that might serve as a more complete 
> and accessible explanation than that offered by the BBC.
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Re: [Internetradio] SiriusXM Streaming

[John Figliozzi]

This changing of formats problem also affects or affected access to BBC 
streams, a topic that was discussed here at length when it first happened.  In 
nosing around, I found this article that might serve as a more complete and 
accessible explanation than that offered by the BBC.

http://gu.com/p/46c99/sbl

jaf

> On Sep 30, 2015, at 11:48 AM, John Figliozzi  wrote:
> 
> None of this seems to be affecting the Sirius/XM feature in Pure radios.  
> (www.pure.com/us)  The Pure Evoke F4 wifi internet radio is their latest such 
> unit and it incorporates Sirius/XM for those who pay the latter for the 
> privilege is listening to them via the internet.  I know that Imagination 
> Technologies, the parent company of Pure, has a working arrangement with 
> Apple; but of course that would have nothing to do with Sirius/XM.  
> 
> John Figliozzi
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Richard Cuff  wrote:
>> 
>> While I know it's no comfort when it comes to the existing Internet
>> radio universe, I am sure these content providers see devices like $50
>> tablets and would rather we all migrate to those...
>> 
>> RC
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Daniel L. Srebnick  
>> wrote:
>>> Here is a link to the SiriusXM hardware manufacturer list.  I wonder
>>> what other devices are now orphans?
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