AMT/vPro MLD storms?

2014-02-06 Thread Phil Mayers
All, In the last week or so, we've started to see a problem on newer PCs with the Intel AMT/vPro (a kind of inline out-of-band management controller, for those unfamiliar with it) which now supports IPv6... after a fashion. The specific issues is that under certain as-yet unidentified

Re: AMT/vPro MLD storms?

2014-02-06 Thread Phil Mayers
On 06/02/14 12:42, Sam Wilson wrote: Note the v6 LL IP is a mutated form of EUI-64 (locally-assigned bit toggled?) Are you sure about that last? Surely the U/L bit should be flipped Oops. Quite right, well spotted.

So, time for some real action?

2014-02-06 Thread Dick Visser
http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/blog/2013/12/campaign-turn-off-ipv4-on-6-june-2014-for-one-day/ ​I fully support this idea. But I'm in doubt what to actually do on 6 June. There isn't much benefit in turning off IPv4 on client devices in our office, because we already have a good idea

Re: So, time for some real action?

2014-02-06 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 06/02/2014 14:51, Dick Visser wrote: http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/blog/2013/12/campaign-turn-off-ipv4-on-6-june-2014-for-one-day/ This is a terrible idea which will cause IPv6 to be associated with gratuitous breakage. Nick

Re: So, time for some real action?

2014-02-06 Thread Dick Visser
I know there are different opinions on this. But between black and white there are many shades of grey. That's why I was asking. I know that some stuff will break, I'm looking for ways to put this 'breakage' to positive use. On 6 February 2014 16:48, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: On

Re: So, time for some real action?

2014-02-06 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 06/02/2014 16:04, Dick Visser wrote: I know there are different opinions on this. But between black and white there are many shades of grey. That's why I was asking. I know that some stuff will break, I'm looking for ways to put this 'breakage' to positive use. people don't care about

Re: So, time for some real action?

2014-02-06 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Thu, 2014-02-06 at 15:48 +, Nick Hilliard wrote: On 06/02/2014 14:51, Dick Visser wrote: http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/blog/2013/12/campaign-turn-off-ipv4-on-6-june-2014-for-one-day/ This is a terrible idea which will cause IPv6 to be associated with gratuitous breakage.

Re: So, time for some real action?

2014-02-06 Thread Hannigan, Martin
On Feb 6, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: On 06/02/2014 16:04, Dick Visser wrote: I know there are different opinions on this. But between black and white there are many shades of grey. That's why I was asking. I know that some stuff will break, I'm looking for ways

Re: So, time for some real action?

2014-02-06 Thread Stephane.Dodeller
If I understand the proposal correctly, the idea is that individuals will disable IPv4 for a day, on their own personal equipment or workstations. If so: 1. That *might* be useful, but it's unclear to me why having a day for this is helpful; the purpose of IPv6 day #1 and #2 was to

Re: So, time for some real action?

2014-02-06 Thread SM
Hi Dick, At 06:51 06-02-2014, Dick Visser wrote: I fully support this idea. But I'm in doubt what to actually do on 6 June. Turning off IPv4 like that does not sound like a good idea to me. It is possible to determine what would break if the network is IPv6 only. The idea would only make

Re: So, time for some real action?

2014-02-06 Thread David Farmer
On 2/6/14, 08:51 , Dick Visser wrote: http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/blog/2013/12/campaign-turn-off-ipv4-on-6-june-2014-for-one-day/ ​I fully support this idea. But I'm in doubt what to actually do on 6 June. There isn't much benefit in turning off IPv4 on client devices in our

Re: So, time for some real action?

2014-02-06 Thread Andrew  Yourtchenko
On 2/6/14, Phil Mayers p.may...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: On 06/02/14 16:04, Dick Visser wrote: I know there are different opinions on this. But between black and white there are many shades of grey. Maybe. But this phrase: If turning IPv4 off results in inability to perform our job for our

Re: So, time for some real action?

2014-02-06 Thread Bill Owens
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 06:52:49PM +0100, Andrew ? Yourtchenko wrote: On 2/6/14, Phil Mayers p.may...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: Maybe. But this phrase: If turning IPv4 off results in inability to perform our job for our employers, we tell them the reason and take a day off. ...does not

Re: So, time for some real action?

2014-02-06 Thread Phil Mayers
On 06/02/2014 17:52, Andrew  Yourtchenko wrote: Last time I checked, anyone with available days off can take them at any time for any reason. Most places aren't quite that generous; notice, simultaneous team member leave and exceptional circumstance clauses typically apply. But I take

Re: So, time for some real action?

2014-02-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 07/02/2014 04:48, Nick Hilliard wrote: On 06/02/2014 14:51, Dick Visser wrote: http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/blog/2013/12/campaign-turn-off-ipv4-on-6-june-2014-for-one-day/ This is a terrible idea which will cause IPv6 to be associated with gratuitous breakage. That was my

Re: So, time for some real action?

2014-02-06 Thread Andrew  Yourtchenko
On 2/6/14, Phil Mayers p.may...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: That's exactly the idea. It's explicitly *NOT* to break others' networks nor to have the innocent users suffer. Ok. But if you read the replies to the original email, it's clear a lot of people didn't get that. So there is a messaging

Re: So, time for some real action?

2014-02-06 Thread Jen Linkova
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Andrew  Yourtchenko ayour...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe transforming this into a taking a day off and using this time to educate the others and help them with their IPv6 deployment could be a better option ? Take a day off because you can't do work without IPv6