[Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Comment #309 from ther inp...@gmail.com --- (In reply to Donald Murray from comment #307) I'm going to have to unsubscribe too. I really am annoyed at those who seem to be fighting what the user's want. Outline mode as implemented in WORD is what people want. There is NOTHING in OOWriter that currently doesn't this Programmers are entitled to be annoyed that users want something for free, that took a commercial company much money to develop. To date, not one whiner seems prepared to put money on the table, whilst happily paying the m$ tax (legal users only, of course...) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue. You are the assignee for the issue.
[Issue 126367] New: existing command text is repeated, when insert formula
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126367 Issue ID: 126367 Issue Type: DEFECT Summary: existing command text is repeated, when insert formula Product: Math Version: OOo 3.3 or older Hardware: All URL: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/4369/ OS: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P5 Component: code Assignee: issues@openoffice.apache.org Reporter: rb.hensc...@t-online.de Created attachment 84795 -- https://bz.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=84795action=edit File to be inserted Start Math. Write 3= into command window. Goto Tools Import Formula and import the attached file. Notice that you do not get the expected 3=√9 but you get 3=3=√9. Try with other existing texts. It is doubled when importing a formula. The bug is in method SmXMLImport::endDocument in starmath/source/mathmlimport.cxx. The bug has been fixed for LibreOffice by Marcos Paulo de Souza. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the issue.
[Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Comment #312 from Keith Collyer ke...@collyer.uk.net --- (In reply to Keith Collyer from comment #305) Over on the LibreOffice wiki someone has created a page (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/WikiAction/history/Outline_view) for specifying what an Outliner should do. Unfortunately, it doesn't actually have any real content right ow, but maybe that's a place it could be developed. Added my notes to the LO Wiki page -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue. You are the assignee for the issue.
[Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Comment #313 from ther inp...@gmail.com --- (In reply to Keith Collyer from comment #311) Professionally I am a requirements engineer, and I can tell you that the last thing that most non-software developer users want is a specification in UML ;). Use Cases are a great way of understanding and structuring requirements, User Stories are in many ways better, but neither are requirements. Once we have an agreed (sub-)set of user requirements, then we can start creating the sort of detailed requirements developers need, and designing the solution. BTW, this can be done in an agile way by identifying the best value for least effort. The m$-clone fans do not seem prepared to acknowledge the difficulty of the task. After all these years, there does not seem to be a definitive specification, except for I do this in m$, make it happen in oo at once!. As for the Unix mindset, that is a valid point, though it isn't a mindset that is acceptable to most word processor users. If OO is to be seen as a credible alternative to MS Office, it has to be acceptable to those who have grown up using MS. That is just reality. Refusing to see that means that OO will remain like Linux, in many ways better than the MS alternative, but never reaching mass appeal. Disagree with the grown up with m$ excuse. Globally, there is a generation of IT users whose first experience will be via (gnu/linux android!) mobile phone. OO does not need to reach mass appeal immediately by being a m$ clone. A better long term strategy is to focus on superior features that justify a change, not oo is a free m$-clone, you can change today without learning anything new. As for Lyx / LaTeX, I would happily use them if I were producing documents just for myself. But I work with a large team and documents are produced collaboratively. Hell with be at absolute zero before they move away from standard word processors. We are supposed to all use OO, but most docs are still in Word. Change is painful, especially from those too old/profitable to change. Disruptive, innovative technology, is by definition a major threat to the status quo. Anyway, lyx/latex/subversion is a successful collaboration environment: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Collaborative_Writing_of_LaTeX_Documents I didn't say it couldn't be done, I said it would not happen. And where I work is fairly typical of most organizations. Even the geeks and nerds among us aren't geeky or nerdy enough to go against the flow and make our lives unnecessarily difficult. Read my earlier comments, I used to write Lisp professionally in EMACS, you don't get much more nerdy than that. Don't be too dismissive; having witnessed such a change, it can and does happen. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the issue. You are on the CC list for the issue.
[Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Comment #308 from ther inp...@gmail.com --- (In reply to Keith Collyer from comment #305) Over on the LibreOffice wiki someone has created a page (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/WikiAction/history/Outline_view) for specifying what an Outliner should do. Unfortunately, it doesn't actually have any real content right ow, but maybe that's a place it could be developed. Where it gets developed should be irrelevant; what's more important is that a defined specification is made to enable the decision to proceed (or not). Notice neither Word nor OO has all these features. With respect, proper user specification is required, analogous to UML. If features prove to be more powerful than m$, at last we would be seeing a real desire for other word processors to be more than an m$-clone for those that want free software without any need to change behaviour or to donate towards _free_ development. away. In Navigator, you wouldn't even see it. This is also why suggestions to use a separate outliner miss the point. You use outlining not just to create the initial structure, but also to work with it afterwards. And suggestions to go back and forth between an outliner and word processor are equally silly for reasons thrashed to death above. The xml/dita/latex paradigm; write content once, write presentation/format elsewhere. As such, what's wrong with multiple windows? Do one thing, well, is the unix mindset... As for Lyx / LaTeX, I would happily use them if I were producing documents just for myself. But I work with a large team and documents are produced collaboratively. Hell with be at absolute zero before they move away from standard word processors. We are supposed to all use OO, but most docs are still in Word. Change is painful, especially from those too old/profitable to change. Disruptive, innovative technology, is by definition a major threat to the status quo. Anyway, lyx/latex/subversion is a successful collaboration environment: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Collaborative_Writing_of_LaTeX_Documents -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue. You are the assignee for the issue.
[Issue 126366] New: Do not remove outer braces
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126366 Issue ID: 126366 Issue Type: DEFECT Summary: Do not remove outer braces Product: Math Version: OOo 3.3 or older Hardware: All URL: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?i d=e3b220a5ae82543ce7322ce7ab516dd3f5bdf8b0 OS: All Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: normal Priority: P5 Component: code Assignee: issues@openoffice.apache.org Reporter: rb.hensc...@t-online.de Created attachment 84794 -- https://bz.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=84794action=edit File withour annotation, so that the real mathml is used and the error is visible. Start Math. Use Tools Import Formula with the attached document. You should get a fraction with a+b as numerator and c+d as denominator. The bug is in method SmXMLImport::endDocument in starmath/source/mathmlimport.cxx The bug was fixed in LibreOffice by Ivan Timofeev timofeev@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the issue.
[Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Comment #311 from Keith Collyer ke...@collyer.uk.net --- (In reply to ther from comment #308) (In reply to Keith Collyer from comment #305) Over on the LibreOffice wiki someone has created a page (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/WikiAction/history/Outline_view) for specifying what an Outliner should do. Unfortunately, it doesn't actually have any real content right ow, but maybe that's a place it could be developed. Where it gets developed should be irrelevant; what's more important is that a defined specification is made to enable the decision to proceed (or not). Indeed, I should add my suggestions to the specification. Notice neither Word nor OO has all these features. With respect, proper user specification is required, analogous to UML. If features prove to be more powerful than m$, at last we would be seeing a real desire for other word processors to be more than an m$-clone for those that want free software without any need to change behaviour or to donate towards _free_ development. Professionally I am a requirements engineer, and I can tell you that the last thing that most non-software developer users want is a specification in UML ;). Use Cases are a great way of understanding and structuring requirements, User Stories are in many ways better, but neither are requirements. Once we have an agreed (sub-)set of user requirements, then we can start creating the sort of detailed requirements developers need, and designing the solution. BTW, this can be done in an agile way by identifying the best value for least effort. away. In Navigator, you wouldn't even see it. This is also why suggestions to use a separate outliner miss the point. You use outlining not just to create the initial structure, but also to work with it afterwards. And suggestions to go back and forth between an outliner and word processor are equally silly for reasons thrashed to death above. The xml/dita/latex paradigm; write content once, write presentation/format elsewhere. As such, what's wrong with multiple windows? Do one thing, well, is the unix mindset... Separating writing content and creating presentation is fine, so long as you can move seamlessly between the two. And you have to remember the audience, most users of word processors want WYSIWYG, they haven't made the conceptual switch needed to separate content and presentation. In some cases they don't want to - and we should acknowledge that there is nothing wrong with that, if you can do things in one tool why learn two? In some cases, they don't even realise that there is a difference. Again, this is the market that OO is in, like it or not. I am personally happy with that separation, though even I would prefer to use Lyx over a plain text editor to crate LaTeX material - it really does help to see things like headings clearly indicated on the screen. As for the Unix mindset, that is a valid point, though it isn't a mindset that is acceptable to most word processor users. If OO is to be seen as a credible alternative to MS Office, it has to be acceptable to those who have grown up using MS. That is just reality. Refusing to see that means that OO will remain like Linux, in many ways better than the MS alternative, but never reaching mass appeal. As for Lyx / LaTeX, I would happily use them if I were producing documents just for myself. But I work with a large team and documents are produced collaboratively. Hell with be at absolute zero before they move away from standard word processors. We are supposed to all use OO, but most docs are still in Word. Change is painful, especially from those too old/profitable to change. Disruptive, innovative technology, is by definition a major threat to the status quo. Anyway, lyx/latex/subversion is a successful collaboration environment: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Collaborative_Writing_of_LaTeX_Documents I didn't say it couldn't be done, I said it would not happen. And where I work is fairly typical of most organizations. Even the geeks and nerds among us aren't geeky or nerdy enough to go against the flow and make our lives unnecessarily difficult. Read my earlier comments, I used to write Lisp professionally in EMACS, you don't get much more nerdy than that. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue. You are the assignee for the issue.
[Issue 107734] Support for Math Input Panel in Windows 7
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=107734 Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de changed: What|Removed |Added Assignee|iss...@openoffice.apache.or |rb.hensc...@t-online.de |g | Keywords|needmoreinfo| --- Comment #5 from Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de --- I'm working on it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the issue. You are on the CC list for the issue.
[Issue 34781] Simple MathML are not loaded in the formula editor
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=34781 --- Comment #4 from Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de --- I have made the detection method less restrict. You should be able to use such *.mml files, when you first start Math and then use Tools Import Formula. The result might not be correct in some cases. But please keep in mind, that Apache OpenOffice only supports a subset of the MathML elements and attributes. You can test the changes in a developer version from http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/. To not overwrite you current version use an administrative installation. I've you need help with that, please ask on mailing list or forum. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the issue. You are on the CC list for the issue.
[Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Comment #310 from jmcvetta jason.mcve...@gmail.com --- MS-sponsored trolls, please stop insulting people. You are tiresome. I think it's safe to say that most (not all) people who would benefit heavily from real outlining support in OO are not software developers. And most software developers working on OO would not themselves benefit much from this feature. So it never gets implemented. Also, I get the impression this feature would be highly non-trivial to implement. Might require a huge amount of labor to do even a half-assed job. I have no personal experience with the OO codebase, but I have heard people say it can be overwhelming. So for the time being, it looks like there will be no Free Software version of this important tool. That will help prolong Microsoft's desktop dominance. Which is kind of the point of all the trolling here, I suspect. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the issue. You are on the CC list for the issue.
[Issue 125404] Document window is being replaced when FindReplace dialog is open
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125404 --- Comment #3 from Martin Senftleben li...@drmartinus.de --- Created attachment 84793 -- https://bz.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=84793action=edit where the document is placed when getting back to it -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the issue.
[Issue 125404] Document window is being replaced when FindReplace dialog is open
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125404 Martin Senftleben li...@drmartinus.de changed: What|Removed |Added Version|4.1.0 |4.1.1 --- Comment #4 from Martin Senftleben li...@drmartinus.de --- This still happens with AOO 4.1.1., build 9775, Rev. 1617669 Manjaro Linux 64-bit(always up-to-date), KDE 4.14.8 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the issue.
[Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Comment #318 from orcmid orc...@apache.org --- (In reply to William from comment #316) I give money from time to time to Ooo Fundation, to WP foundation and make donations to editors of freeware I use a lot. Thank you for your generosity. To be clear, the Ooo Foundation, whoever they are, have nothing to do with Apache OpenOffice, and there is no way to contribute directly to the Apache OpenOffice Project (although the Apache Software Foundation accepts contributions). The ASF also does not pay developers nor does it solicit proposals for contract development work. The Document Foundation operates with a different model and they do solicit development for LibreOffice and related software. That's not here though. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the issue. You are on the CC list for the issue.
[Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Comment #315 from Scott Kallen sc...@kallenconsulting.com --- OK. I must not have dropped myself from the list correctly, as I'm still getting these. So, what the hell. The m$-clone fans do not seem prepared to acknowledge the difficulty of the task. After all these years, there does not seem to be a definitive specification, except for I do this in m$, make it happen in oo at once!. OO does not need to reach mass appeal immediately by being a m$ clone. A better long term strategy is to focus on superior features that justify a change, not oo is a free m$-clone, you can change today without learning anything new. You can label us as M$-clone fans to try to lessen the validity of our request. As has been stated repeatedly, no one wants and clone of Word. Word is so cheap these days, it's not about wanting a Free version of Word. It's about wanting a tool that meets the needs. Also, many in the group have given clear, concise examples of how the Outline mode in MS is superior. Can you give me an example of how the current implementation of Navigator is SUPERIOR (not 'well, if you do this, then jump through that hoop, you can achieve an outline') to Word Outline mode? As I said before: I learned it, tried it and integrated it into my workflow. I learned something new but even at it's best, doing it the OO way was too slow and cumbersome so I went back to Word. Outlining is a core feature to how MANY writers work. It's the starting point... [INSERT 10+ YEARS OF PRO-OUTLINING DISCOURSE HERE] Programmers are entitled to be annoyed that users want something for free, that took a commercial company much money to develop. To date, not one whiner seems prepared to put money on the table, whilst happily paying the m$ tax (legal users only, of course...) If you're annoyed doing development for free, I suggest you stay away from coding Open Source--cuz that's kinda the deal, right? This generational thread started as a feature request for a better Outline mode. The OP cited MS as an example of a good implementation. Since then it has devolved into a small group of people who are bent on trying to discredit the need for an improved Outline mode vs. the users who want to use OO but can't (or won't) work with a tool that is inefficient and cumbersome at a core aspect of what they do. OO folks, do what you will. So much of what has been done with Open Office is so very good. However, as has been cited before, the lack of a good implementation of the Outline mode keeps OO from those of us who write (not necessarily code) for a living. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the issue. You are on the CC list for the issue.
[Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Comment #320 from orcmid orc...@apache.org --- (In reply to orcmid from comment #319) (In reply to Keith Collyer from comment #317) I have lost track of where you are consolidating requirements. It would be useful to do that on a wiki somewhere. Oh, you are doing it at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Outline_view. Please note that this is a LibreOffice Wiki and if you want to talk about having it in LibreOffide you might want to stop using this bugzilla for it. PS: It turns out Mathias Bauer did explain how things were left when he stopped working on OpenOffice in 2011. His explanation is on a different issue: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=81480#c10. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue. You are the assignee for the issue.
[Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Comment #314 from Grisemine jljov...@live.fr --- ther, if you where in front of me, I would kick you. Hard. I will not read your shit again, nor reply to you. I suggest other users do the same. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue. You are the assignee for the issue.
[Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Comment #317 from Keith Collyer ke...@collyer.uk.net --- (In reply to ther from comment #313) (In reply to Keith Collyer from comment #311) [snip] The m$-clone fans do not seem prepared to acknowledge the difficulty of the task. After all these years, there does not seem to be a definitive specification, except for I do this in m$, make it happen in oo at once!. Please stop your childish m$ nonsense, that was funny twenty years ago, it is just pathetic now. Nobody is denying it will be difficult. Nobody is expecting it to happen just because they want it. I made a start on stating requirements, feel free to add to it. As for the Unix mindset, that is a valid point, though it isn't a mindset that is acceptable to most word processor users. If OO is to be seen as a credible alternative to MS Office, it has to be acceptable to those who have grown up using MS. That is just reality. Refusing to see that means that OO will remain like Linux, in many ways better than the MS alternative, but never reaching mass appeal. Disagree with the grown up with m$ excuse. Globally, there is a generation of IT users whose first experience will be via (gnu/linux android!) mobile phone. Not an excuse, a fact. Some of us have to live in the real world. And as for Android being based on Linux, oh, please! Nobody outside us geeks even knows or cares that it is. They certainly don't see it in the UI. There is nothing in a standard Android distribution that is visible to a normal user as Unix-based. And how many people try to use office tools on a phone anyway? I know you can, I have more than one office suite installed on my phone and my tablet. But it isn't mass market. OO does not need to reach mass appeal immediately by being a m$ clone. A better long term strategy is to focus on superior features that justify a change, not oo is a free m$-clone, you can change today without learning anything new. Right, so help to specify and create an outliner that is better than Word. I already gave a couple of examples in the requirements I added. Having used both tools extensively, it is difficult to think of a feature that I have used where one is significantly better than the other - except for outlining. So the long-term strategy isn't working - yet. [snip] I didn't say it couldn't be done, I said it would not happen. And where I work is fairly typical of most organizations. Even the geeks and nerds among us aren't geeky or nerdy enough to go against the flow and make our lives unnecessarily difficult. Read my earlier comments, I used to write Lisp professionally in EMACS, you don't get much more nerdy than that. Don't be too dismissive; having witnessed such a change, it can and does happen. Trust me on this, it won't happen, not where I work. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the issue. You are on the CC list for the issue.
[Issue 126362] Vlookup may return incorrect values from list if there are similar list items
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126362 brinzing oliver.brinz...@gmx.de changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|--- |NOT_AN_ISSUE CC||oliver.brinz...@gmx.de Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED --- Comment #2 from brinzing oliver.brinz...@gmx.de --- i would say this issue is invalid, cause your content.xml contains: office:body office:spreadsheet table:calculation-settings table:case-sensitive=false table:search-criteria-must-apply-to-whole-cell=false table:use-regular-expressions=false/ change search-criteria-must-apply-to-whole-cell to true and it will work you can do this via the tools - options menu -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the issue.
[Issue 126368] New: is becomes El
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126368 Issue ID: 126368 Issue Type: DEFECT Summary: is becomes El Product: Writer Version: 4.0.1 Hardware: PC OS: Windows 7 Status: UNCONFIRMED Severity: major Priority: P5 Component: editing Assignee: issues@openoffice.apache.org Reporter: dadzone43...@aol.com using Open Office 4.0.1 on Windows 7. Every time I type is I get El. I do not know why this is or how to fix it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the issue.
[Issue 126368] is becomes El
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126368 --- Comment #1 from dadzone43...@aol.com --- This started when I upgraded and perhaps when I added (or tried to add) a Spanish dictionary. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the issue.
[Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Comment #319 from orcmid orc...@apache.org --- (In reply to Keith Collyer from comment #317) [ ... ] I made a start on stating requirements, feel free to add to it. [ ... ] Right, so help to specify and create an outliner that is better than Word. I already gave a couple of examples in the requirements I added. [ ... ] I have lost track of where you are consolidating requirements. It would be useful to do that on a wiki somewhere. I don't know how that will move any office productivity software closer to having an implementation given the current state of affairs. Clear requirements might be helpful in having the problem be appreciated though. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue. You are the assignee for the issue.
[Issue 81480] Refactor sw code to support multiple layouts
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=81480 orcmid orc...@apache.org changed: What|Removed |Added Assignee|mathias_ba...@gmx.net |iss...@openoffice.apache.or ||g QA Contact|iss...@sw.openoffice.org| CC||orc...@apache.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the issue. You are on the CC list for the issue.
[Issue 126300] Misspelling Üerschrift
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126300 Rainer Bielefeld rainerbielefeld_ooo...@bielefeldundbuss.de changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |CONFIRMED Ever confirmed|0 |1 CC||rainerbielefeld_ooo_qa@biel ||efeldundbuss.de OS|Windows 8 |All --- Comment #1 from Rainer Bielefeld rainerbielefeld_ooo...@bielefeldundbuss.de --- Reproducible with AOO420m1(Build:9800) - Rev. 1661141 in Menu Table - Split Table -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the issue.
[Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Comment #316 from William w...@free.fr --- Programmers are entitled to be annoyed that users want something for free, that took a commercial company much money to develop. To date, not one whiner seems prepared to put money on the table, whilst happily paying the m$ tax (legal users only, of course...) Why do you put words in our mouth ? Seriously ! I'm shocked. Did you see anybody there saying clearly he refuses to giva any money and want all for free ? I give money from time to time to Ooo Fundation, to WP foundation and make donations to editors of freeware I use a lot. I'd never been told to have the right to contribute to an Open Source project, you have to be ready to pay for explaining your wishes. I will go on to give money from time to time to Open Source foundations, not because of one feature, but because of the project and the Open Source concept. You could accuse any Open Source software user to want things without paying for. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the issue. You are the assignee for the issue.
