[The Java Posse] Pipes Output ??

2009-11-03 Thread Jesper de Jong
Hi JavaPosse, Today, the name of JavaPosse in my list of podcast subscribtions in iTunes has suddenly changed to "Pipes Output". What's happening? You're not renaming the podcast to "Pipes Output", are you? ;-) regards Jesper de Jong --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You re

[The Java Posse] Re: Java thread scheduling bug

2009-11-03 Thread Marcelo Fukushima
well one could argue that, though im not sure if native threads have such guarantee - in which case, java may only be delegating to native that said, you can try disabling biased locking (starting from java 6 i think) and see if it makes any difference On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Brent Ryan

[The Java Posse] Re: Java thread scheduling bug

2009-11-03 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Yes, I was indeed saying that java didn't break anything. your app was broken from the start by relying on something that isn't in the spec. Every release of the JVM *breaks* lots of things you shouldn't have relied upon, every time it updates, especially around the topic of threading. double-ch

[The Java Posse] Re: first step for learning Java

2009-11-03 Thread Graham Allan
> I'd start with BlueJ, if you're new to programming in general and Java > specifically (bluej.org). > > Wayne +1 BlueJ takes a different tack to learning Java, giving object oriented fundamentals a greater billing than syntax and other details like running Java apps from the command line. It

[The Java Posse] Re: Scala almost as good as C# .NET4

2009-11-03 Thread Dick Wall
Aha - one of my Alumni (but a few years before I was there). I believe that the for comprehension approach will gradually pick up features until it becomes something like LINQ although maybe without the SQLish syntax (which is a matter of taste anyway, I don't particularly like or dislike SQL so

[The Java Posse] Re: Scala almost as good as C# .NET4

2009-11-03 Thread Noctiluque
Dick, Thanks for dropping in. And I thought you loved the groovy! > does tend to conveniently ignore some features in Scala that really do > push Scala ahead in those areas. One such example is traits. Unless I Granted. Thats the problem with translating C# to Scala. Going the other way I might

Re: [Fwd: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Java thread scheduling bug]

2009-11-03 Thread Marcelo Fukushima
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:11 PM, kirk wrote: > > > > Marcelo Fukushima wrote: >> i should probably write in a better way (i guess i cant write in >> english as well as i can read) >> >> what i meant was that os thread could potentially behave like how java >> threads behave: there are not guarant

[The Java Posse] Re: Scala almost as good as C# .NET4

2009-11-03 Thread Michael Neale
I didn't even get a chance to reply but can I be in the scope of the idiot block too? On Nov 3, 7:47 pm, Steven Herod wrote: > Are you sure you needed to refer to the respondents as 'idiots'? > > Had a bad day? > > On Nov 3, 5:45 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > > > > > You write an _obvious_ t

[Fwd: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Java thread scheduling bug]

2009-11-03 Thread kirk
Marcelo Fukushima wrote: > i should probably write in a better way (i guess i cant write in > english as well as i can read) > > what i meant was that os thread could potentially behave like how java > threads behave: there are not guarantees that any given thread will be > given its timeslice i

[The Java Posse] Re: first step for learning Java

2009-11-03 Thread Andre Van Klaveren
Bayan, I agree with Brian. It's best to start off with your favorite text editor and command line compiling, etc. when learning the language. It will help you focus on the language and not the IDE. Eclipse is probably the industry defacto standard (at least owns majority popularity share) Java

[The Java Posse] Re: first step for learning Java

2009-11-03 Thread Matias Berrueta
I think that make a simple system is the best way. You must chose in two of the most popular ways, web develop, and win develop (is totally different) . Then, take an hello world example, and start coding. Lucky Matias Berrueta On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Brian Ehmann wrote: > > While

[The Java Posse] Re: JavaFX Maven Plugin and WebStart final version

2009-11-03 Thread Brian Leathem
No Problem! On Nov 3, 8:19 am, Carl wrote: > Thank you Brian. > > On Nov 1, 11:29 pm, Brian wrote: > > > On Nov 1, 6:21 am, Carl wrote: > > > > Brian, > > > > Since you have the standard one working (except for the issue about > > > jar signing you mentioned), would you mind posting a complete

[The Java Posse] Re: first step for learning Java

2009-11-03 Thread Wayne Fay
> I start learning Java in this month by reading Thinking in Jave book, > before this time i learn bit about C++ and C#, but I don't know what > best IDE i can use it? I'd start with BlueJ, if you're new to programming in general and Java specifically (bluej.org). Wayne --~--~-~--~~

[The Java Posse] first step for learning Java

2009-11-03 Thread Bayan
Hello everyone, I start learning Java in this month by reading Thinking in Jave book, before this time i learn bit about C++ and C#, but I don't know what best IDE i can use it? please, give me your advices for learning Java for go on it very good, becuase I .plan to complete my study in this lang

[The Java Posse] Re: Java thread scheduling bug

2009-11-03 Thread Brent Ryan
Then maybe the spec is where the flaw is... Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Marcelo Fukushima wrote: > > i guess what reinier was trying to say was that your code (as far as > vm spec goes) was broken from the start and (again, from the vm spec > perspective) lucky timing an

[The Java Posse] Re: Java thread scheduling bug

2009-11-03 Thread Marcelo Fukushima
i guess what reinier was trying to say was that your code (as far as vm spec goes) was broken from the start and (again, from the vm spec perspective) lucky timing and scheduling just made it work correctly On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Brent wrote: > > I just don't think that it's a good idea

[The Java Posse] Re: first step for learning Java

2009-11-03 Thread Brian Ehmann
While learning language fundamentals, I would recommend you use your favorite text editor until you feel you are ready to write more complex applications like web apps. This way you will learn the language instead of the IDE. Plus it will help you become familiar with using the javadocs instead

[The Java Posse] Re: Java thread scheduling bug

2009-11-03 Thread Marcelo Fukushima
i should probably write in a better way (i guess i cant write in english as well as i can read) what i meant was that os thread could potentially behave like how java threads behave: there are not guarantees that any given thread will be given its timeslice in the CPU. In that regard, the jvm spe

[The Java Posse] Re: Java thread scheduling bug

2009-11-03 Thread kirk
Marcelo Fukushima wrote: > well one could argue that, though im not sure if native threads have > such guarantee - in which case, java may only be delegating to native > > that said, you can try disabling biased locking (starting from java 6 > i think) and see if it makes any difference > I may

[The Java Posse] Re: Java thread scheduling bug

2009-11-03 Thread Brent
I just don't think that it's a good idea to say...Let's break something so that we can optimize the JVM for most cases without providing an option that allows the JVM to execute threads one way vs. another. This used to work in JDK 1.4. Does anyone know how .NET solves this problem with the CLR?

[The Java Posse] Re: Scala almost as good as C# .NET4

2009-11-03 Thread Dick Wall
This is an interesting discussion nucleus for sure, but the article does tend to conveniently ignore some features in Scala that really do push Scala ahead in those areas. One such example is traits. Unless I have missed something, C# still doesn't have traits or mixins and relies on the interface

[The Java Posse] Re: JavaFX Maven Plugin and WebStart final version

2009-11-03 Thread Carl
Thank you Brian. On Nov 1, 11:29 pm, Brian wrote: > On Nov 1, 6:21 am, Carl wrote: > > > Brian, > > > Since you have the standard one working (except for the issue about > > jar signing you mentioned), would you mind posting a complete working > > example?   > > Here's my working pom.xml: > [..

[The Java Posse] Re: what you think about SWT on desktop

2009-11-03 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Casper Bang wrote: >> Well, I have co-workers wearing glasses and frankly nobody has ever >> complained about Swing :-) >> > > You misunderstand. Try booting up windows in a VM, and then inspect > Oops. thanks for pointing out my misunderstanding; I thought you was referring to the font re

[The Java Posse] Re: what you think about SWT on desktop

2009-11-03 Thread Casper Bang
> Well, I have co-workers wearing glasses and frankly nobody has ever > complained about Swing :-) You misunderstand. Try booting up windows in a VM, and then inspect the widget hierachy of a Swing app using Spy++ or similar. You will notice there's no way to introspect and extract any informatio

[The Java Posse] Re: what you think about SWT on desktop

2009-11-03 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Casper Bang wrote: > AFAIK that's entirely up to the native peer, how it chooses to render > - there shouldn't be anything preventing SWT from taking advantage > of the GPU. Then again, this topic is more interesting in Swing since > the whole UI effectively has to be emulated whereas SWT is us

[The Java Posse] Re: what you think about SWT on desktop

2009-11-03 Thread Casper Bang
AFAIK that's entirely up to the native peer, how it chooses to render - there shouldn't be anything preventing SWT from taking advantage of the GPU. Then again, this topic is more interesting in Swing since the whole UI effectively has to be emulated whereas SWT is using native stuff which is alre

[The Java Posse] Re: what you think about SWT on desktop

2009-11-03 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
Christian Catchpole wrote: > You can embed OpenGL panels from LWJGL or JOGL... I've done this. > Works nice. You can even embed Swing panels if you want. > > http://www.eclipse.org/swt/opengl/ > It's not what I'm talking of. You're referring to a direct use of OpenGL for 3D stuff and of cour

[The Java Posse] Re: Scala almost as good as C# .NET4

2009-11-03 Thread Steven Herod
Are you sure you needed to refer to the respondents as 'idiots'? Had a bad day? On Nov 3, 5:45 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > You write an _obvious_ trolling post, with a link to your own blog no > less, and yet you got 3 idiots to stop into your steaming pile? > > Wow. I'm impressed. > > NB:

[The Java Posse] Re: Scala almost as good as C# .NET4

2009-11-03 Thread Noctiluque
Reiner, thank you for your comments, There were some good comments on the blog so my (light) baiting worked. I know the title was provocative, yes. But "almost" leaves room for hope that Scala can be "better" than C# if some of the usabilty gaps are filled in. And those gaps could be filled in,