[The Java Posse] Re: JavaFX Anyone?

On Aug 31, 6:29 am, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > From personal experience on ##java on freenode, where I routinely > advise folks new to swing to switch to either web development > (because, really, what swing GUI can you not at least write as HTML > GUI, and which swing GUIs are even nicer to wri

[The Java Posse] Re: JavaFX Anyone?

On Sep 2, 4:54 am, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > But 18 months after the release of 1.6, we got a major update. It's > just that sun marketing screwed up versioning and called it 1.6u10 > instead of 1.7. If Java's problems really do stem from Sun's persimonious use of version numbers then it is in

[The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

On Sep 1, 3:44 pm, Wildam Martin wrote: > I am still faster in delivering a project written in VB for many > cases, although there are many good and better paradigms for me using > Java. So I really like more programming in Java but this does not mean > that it helps the customer a lot who maybe i

[The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

You can't fork "Java" because the word is owned by Oracle. Sun were also very active at preventing other people using the J-word. What you can do is develop a language that is based on Java but contains extensions. Eamples currently include Groovy, Scala and Dalvik. You could also go further an

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: flash on android

Hi Reinier, Some fair points, but I really don't understand why you are so categorical that Flash can't work on a phone. We have some pretty impressive games that are running on phones today, why not Flash? Admittedly, the current implementations are pretty lackluster and buggy but they're less

[The Java Posse] Re: flash on android

Why does everyone continue to insist that the whole grey-rectangle-in- a-browser-window approach is feasible for the future of the web? Flash, *AND* crazy HTML5-powered experiments all aren't going to ever run right on a phone. The notion that it ever will is a total pipe dream. Adding flash suppo

[The Java Posse] Re: JavaFX Anyone?

But 18 months after the release of 1.6, we got a major update. It's just that sun marketing screwed up versioning and called it 1.6u10 instead of 1.7. Note that 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4 all had pretty much zero changes to syntax (1.4 brought assert, 1.3 brought strictfp, that's as far as I know all). New

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: flash on android

Yep Adobe really did nothing to make flash work good with cell phones, they should have added a very good touch API and use way less power - Adobe fail Sent from my iPhone 4 On 2010-09-01, at 1:10 PM, Glenn Bech wrote: > Sorry about the wrong link to the Civilsation 5 page. The correct link

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

ThoughtWorks seems to agree with the OP "Java End Of Life" is marked on their latest radar as something to assess: http://www.thoughtworks.com/radar F# has been promoted and, along with clojure, is now close to transitioning from "assess" to "trial" interestingly, Scala seems to be the only stati

[The Java Posse] Re: JavaFX Anyone?

> P.S.: JDK7 is late, but not massively, if you count the "JavaSE 6.5" > release that was the 6uN project (not even complete at u10: Sun/Oracle > continued to make important feature improvements in u14, u18, u21, now > u23). Indeed, it's well known that the 6uN project diverted a ton of > resources

[The Java Posse] Re: JavaFX Anyone?

On Aug 31, 5:45 am, Casper Bang wrote: > I still think Sun management made a mistake back in the day when they > positioned JavaFX to be a narrow Flash-like RIA technology rather than > a general purpose Java.Next - they actually had a chance of drawing a > line in the sand and open a new chapter.

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: flash on android

Sorry about the wrong link to the Civilsation 5 page. The correct link is http://www.civilization5.com/ Pages like that does not look good on android, and can see why someone like Steve Jobs might go crazy over blinking and resizing problems on his "precious" :) On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Gle

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

correction... Any method defined WITHOUT A PARAMETER LIST is a de facto property. On 1 September 2010 20:44, Kevin Wright wrote: > > > On 1 September 2010 20:24, Ricky Clarkson wrote: > >> > Scala's type system is richer than that embedded into the .NET IL spec, >> so >> > it's impossible to ful

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

On 1 September 2010 20:24, Ricky Clarkson wrote: > > Scala's type system is richer than that embedded into the .NET IL spec, > so > > it's impossible to fully reify on the platform. > > It is possible to reify what is supported by IL and reify the rest via > Manifest or a similar solution. > > >

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

> Scala's type system is richer than that embedded into the .NET IL spec, so > it's impossible to fully reify on the platform. It is possible to reify what is supported by IL and reify the rest via Manifest or a similar solution. > Coming from the other direction, allowing Scala to consume reifie

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

On 1 September 2010 10:05, Ricky Clarkson wrote: > Does Scala on .NET work past .NET 1.0 yet? > > If so, does it support .NET generics? > That's a double-edged sword... Scala's type system is richer than that embedded into the .NET IL spec, so it's impossible to fully reify on the platform. At

[The Java Posse] Re: flash on android

... Did you try out the civilisation5 page? I think it is http://www.helixfox.com/ Fail! I think it will be very difficult to create a good user experince where part is flash and part is HTML/CSS/Ajax. Steve Jobs might have been right on this one .-) I Am pro Flash Video and Flash applicatio

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

Does Scala on .NET work past .NET 1.0 yet? If so, does it support .NET generics? Is there a solution to the mismatch between .NET's PublicMethodNamesInCapitals and Scala's lowerCaseForAlmostEverything? Does Scala on .NET support .NET's properties without having to write Get_X and Set_X? Ricky.

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: flash on android

the only problem i see with flash on my nexus is that most flash apps / sites are not prepared for a non mouse interaction - they expect hover and whatnot. That is also true for some pure html sites too, but to a lesser extent - or at least that is my perception. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:48 AM, J

Re: [The Java Posse] Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

okay... 3 different languages :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more o

Re: [The Java Posse] Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

Surely it's not some absolute measure of benefit that counts here, but a more relative measure like cost/benefit. Imagine 2 possible languages: language A: very similar syntax to Java, uses the same IDE via plugins, can build with Ant or Maven, runs on the JVM language B: loosely Java-like syntax,

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

ikvm! ... *facepalm* I'm glad someone else got it, I couldn't for the life of me remember the name of that project... On 1 September 2010 15:51, Casper Bang wrote: > On Sep 1, 3:30 pm, Kevin Wright wrote: > > Give the existence of mono, it might be argued that all of these benefits > > are a

Re: [The Java Posse] Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Wildam Martin wrote: > I am still faster in delivering a project written in VB for many > cases, although there are many good and better paradigms for me using > Java. So I really like more programming in Java but this does not mean > that it helps the customer a

[The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

On Sep 1, 3:30 pm, Kevin Wright wrote: > Give the existence of mono, it might be argued that all of these benefits > are available on the .NET VM. > Although last I heard, JVM was still outperforming in benchmarks. Yup, Mono has no trouble running Java code thanks to iKVM. cas...@workstation:~$

[The Java Posse] #321 - Engineering vs Management

Just a few days ago I listened to another podcast's episode that I thought of a few times while listening to javaposse #321, so I consider this very related and therefore I want to share the link: http://techcast.chariotsolutions.com/index.php?post_id=634076 -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.co

RE: [The Java Posse] Re: flash on android

“Can be done” is different than “done”. :) There is a lot of Flash content out there and it’s nice to have a phone that can render it. In my experience more of the Flash content that is out there works on my Nexus One with Flash Player 10.1 than the HTML5 content and galleries. Many of the d

Re: [The Java Posse] Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 15:31, Josh Berry wrote: > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Wildam Martin wrote: >> Solving end-user problems is far more important than learning crazy >> new programming paradigms. > Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it appears to be saying "new programming > paradigms don'

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: flash on android

Hi Nice sites :) But when Google says HTML5 they really means (HTML5 + CSS + JS) Actionscript is based on JavaScript ( ECMAScript )! >From that list of 10 sites - don't see anything that can't be done with HTML5 + CSS + JS :) Paul On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Steven Herod wrote: > Have

Re: [The Java Posse] Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

I must take offence at the automatic classification of new languages as being "crazy"! That term has often been used in the past to criticise many scientific theories now accepted as fact. Is it crazy for me to believe that a type system should be turing complete, and based upon the rigorous found

Re: [The Java Posse] Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Wildam Martin wrote: > Solving end-user problems is far more important than learning crazy > new programming paradigms. > > Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it appears to be saying "new programming paradigms don't help solve end-user problems." I agree that they

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

Give the existence of mono, it might be argued that all of these benefits are available on the .NET VM. Although last I heard, JVM was still outperforming in benchmarks. And bear in mind... This is not simply about "getting rid of Oracle software". It's about: 1) Having an easy option to move awa

Re: [The Java Posse] Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 19:00, CKoerner wrote: > Subject says it all. People like you continously try to push me into moving to other languages. And I continously loose time by starting (new) evaluations, that all get me to the same conclusion again and again: NO, there is no alternative to Java

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

But if you go the non-JVM way, you'll loose all the advantages it offers too: cross-platform, hotspot code tuning, memory management, ... Would you go back the bronze-age software development - just for the sake of getting rid of oracle software ? If it's worth such a radical change, maybe you'd r

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

Not really. We said that Ruby code can be run on the JVM, and later ported to the Ruby runtime (or to IronRuby) if that becomes necessary. It was also stated that, for Scala in particular, there are development environments and build tools available that aren't tied to the JVM. For languages tha

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

But did you not just state that one can easily replace JRuby with the real thing at any time as java the platform and its wealth of libraries, tools etc is not an major priority in the platform decision making process ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

Why JRuby instead of Ruby? Mostly because Ruby has some spectacularly poor concurrency handling, largely thanks to the global interpreter lock http://www.igvita.com/2008/11/13/concurrency-is-a-myth-in-ruby/ That, and other numerous optimisations that the JVM can offer.

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

So why bother with JRuby if you dont care for Java or any of the zillion libraries..You might as well jump straight to the real thing from the beginning... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to ja

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

What kind of metrics, for that matter? Even if you don't release as JVM bytecode, it's still okay to produce some for the sake of a static analysis tool. Profiling, OTOH, is best done on the target platform, for obvious reasons! On 1 September 2010 11:54, Viktor Klang wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Moandji Ezana wrote: > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Roland Tepp wrote: > >> The only thing tying your Scala programs to JVM is your own use of Java >> libraries. >> > > And build tools, metrics tools, integration tools, IDEs, etc. > SBT is written in Scala, T

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Roland Tepp wrote: > The only thing tying your Scala programs to JVM is your own use of Java > libraries. > And build tools, metrics tools, integration tools, IDEs, etc. A mere detail. Moandji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goog

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Kevin Wright wrote: > Oh, this isn't just about Scala. That would be my preferred language for > other reasons :) > To my knowledge, choices that allow you some level of abstraction from any > specific virtual machine are: > > JRuby (can migrate to Ruby) > Jython (

Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Management: "For now Java is no longer an option for new development"

Oh, this isn't just about Scala. That would be my preferred language for other reasons :) To my knowledge, choices that allow you some level of abstraction from any specific virtual machine are: JRuby (can migrate to Ruby) Jython (can migrate to Python) Jaskell (can migrate to... oh, you get the

[The Java Posse] Re: flash on android

I don't think it's all that bad. It's true that you can see studdering when the content resolution is too high (lack of resources for downscaling?), but for websites and most casual video I run into, it isn't a problem. I don't have any fancy video camera and my memcoder skills are limited, but thi