[The Java Posse] Re: NetBeans getting support for the Fan language

2009-08-14 Thread Brian Frank
I mean I essentially want a language that has no baggage other than a new compiler. Scala, Clojure, JRuby, Groovy, Fan all fall down on this point because they drag a (sometimes very large) runtime library with them. I think java.next needs to compile down to just bytecodes and have no

[The Java Posse] Re: VMWare buys SpringSource - thoughts?

2009-08-14 Thread kramer31
First, let me say that I do not think that virtualization has become commodotized any more than databases have become commodotized. Although there are free solutions available, companies will always pay for enterprise capabilities/support. As to wholesale of cloud computing resources (such as

[The Java Posse] Cobertura, Maven, and Integration Tests

2009-08-14 Thread kramer31
Hi! We have instrumented cobertura to run under our build process. It seems to work well, but only really addresses unit tests. We have packaged our unit tests with the production code in the standard maven layout of: production code - {module}/src/main test code - {module}/src/test Cobertura

[The Java Posse] Re: Cobertura, Maven, and Integration Tests

2009-08-14 Thread Josh Suereth
I've never done this myself, but you're playing with a small fire. Basically, the integration tests are designed to use the already-packaged-artifact. So what you would need is some kind of cobertura plugin that spoofs the integration tests with an instrumented version of this artifact (which

[The Java Posse] Re: NetBeans getting support for the Fan language

2009-08-14 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
On Aug 14, 6:32 am, Ben Schulz ya...@gmx.net wrote: I like how you begin the paragraph On the contrary as if disagreeing with anything I said, insinuating I made the statistical fallacy you are talking about. You said x + 0 is still x in the end, which I presumed meant: Even if speeding is

[The Java Posse] Re: NetBeans getting support for the Fan language

2009-08-14 Thread Alex Buckley
True, I should have said 'use an annotation to trigger the rewriting'. That's my issue: you can only try out language features that are concerned with declarations, since that's all you can annotate. It's like being a sports car designer but insisting you can only work with an automatic

[The Java Posse] Re: Cobertura, Maven, and Integration Tests

2009-08-14 Thread klaasjan
I would not run integration tests on any instrumented code, because an integration test is for integrating the app with the environment (app server, database, fs). I have it as a requirement that the same artifact in the integration is going live, later on. The metric for integration tests is

[The Java Posse] Re: Cobertura, Maven, and Integration Tests

2009-08-14 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
klaasjan wrote: I would not run integration tests on any instrumented code, because an integration test is for integrating the app with the environment (app server, database, fs). I have it as a requirement that the same artifact in the integration is going live, later on. The metric for

[The Java Posse] Re: VMWare buys SpringSource - thoughts?

2009-08-14 Thread Josh Long
This economy makes for strange bedfellows.. I couldn't see how JBoss (professional open source JEE rebel ) and RedHat (old guard Linux) were compatible at first blush, either. In fact, at first it felt like the angle was the 'rebel' thing more than the synergistic software.. I think that's the

[The Java Posse] Re: NetBeans getting support for the Fan language

2009-08-14 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Hey, I have some lofty goals. I don't know if lombok can get there. I sure hope so, though. The sheer amount of 'coin isn't making changes fast enough' sentiment here and in the rest of the java community is -staggering-. But, apart from that, if lombok gets some traction and adds a bunch of

[The Java Posse] Re: NetBeans getting support for the Fan language

2009-08-14 Thread Josh Suereth
I'm not sure how others feel, but I think pretty soon this conversation will be finished with any kind of technical merit and turn into name-calling and one-uping. I usually reserve cuddle pictures of kittens (Everyone Loves Kittens) just for this kind of debate when it hits the Scala mailing

[The Java Posse] Re: NetBeans getting support for the Fan language

2009-08-14 Thread Alex Buckley
On Aug 14, 2:20 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote: The sheer amount of 'coin isn't making changes fast enough' sentiment here and in the rest of the java community is -staggering-. But, apart from that, if lombok gets some traction and adds a bunch of useful features, but this

[The Java Posse] Re: NetBeans getting support for the Fan language

2009-08-14 Thread Reinier Zwitserloot
Hypothesis: There is a central body in charge of (possibly amongst other things) picking on a case-by-case basis types for which java should add operator support. Proof that this hypothesis is false: Surely, BigInteger and BigDecimal have warranted operator support for many many years. If a

[The Java Posse] How do YOU handle Exceptions?

2009-08-14 Thread Hannu Leinonen
Hello posse (of The Posse)! I've been lately discussing about exception handling in Java with my workmates. And I've noticed that there's some uncertainty about Exceptions and how to use them. Currently we're working on a quite traditional three-tier Spring+Hibernate web app (using way too

[The Java Posse] Re: NetBeans getting support for the Fan language

2009-08-14 Thread Josh Suereth
all, That last email was meant for Reinier and Alex only. I apologize for whatever harm may have been caused. iPhone user #fail Maybe they should make a do you really want to send this to everyone? annoying popup for folk like me. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Josh

[The Java Posse] Re: How do YOU handle Exceptions?

2009-08-14 Thread Casper Bang
Are aware of the seminal book Effective Java by Joshua Bloch which devotes an entire chapter to Java exceptions? /Casper On 15 Aug., 02:31, Hannu Leinonen hlein...@gmail.com wrote: Hello posse (of The Posse)! I've been lately discussing about exception handling in Java with my workmates.

[The Java Posse] Re: How do YOU handle Exceptions?

2009-08-14 Thread Hannu Leinonen
Sure, working on reading it. For some reason I haven't read the Exception chapter yet, but I'll take that one next. Thanks for the suggestion! Eventhough I think at least some of my workmates have read that book, still they don't seem to have that clear view about exceptions. -Hannu Casper

[The Java Posse] Re: Cobertura, Maven, and Integration Tests

2009-08-14 Thread Paul King
These days with build farms and build clouds, this is my preferred approach too. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 5:35 AM, Fabrizio Giudicifabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: klaasjan wrote: I would not run integration tests on any instrumented code, because an integration test is for integrating