Re: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-22 Thread David Jencks
On 2001.11.22 02:34:39 -0500 Jason Dillon wrote: This makes alot of sence, would it be hard to augment the deployer in such a fashion as to make the window smaller? --jason I think offhand this would not be so easy. I think (without having checked) that what takes the most time is

[JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread Rickard Öberg
Hey Developing with JBoss used to be very good due to hot deploy features. Now that our app is growing rapidly (mostly LOADS of JSP's) we're seeing that it's not so nice, because we have to package the app as an EAR file before deployment. If JBoss could work from a directory, that would cut

Re: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread David Jencks
How would this help in the least? My understanding is that if you use a directory, the dd is checked for time changes and if it changes the whole app is undeployed and redeployed. Unless you can put your app in independently deployable chunks, you will need to undeploy and redeploy the entire

Re: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread Rickard Öberg
David Jencks wrote: How would this help in the least? My understanding is that if you use a directory, the dd is checked for time changes For the auto-deployer, yes. I think I'd actually prefer to not use the auto-deployer, and instead make an Ant task that does the deploy command

Re: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread David Jencks
On 2001.11.21 11:53:03 -0500 Rickard Öberg wrote: David Jencks wrote: How would this help in the least? My understanding is that if you use a directory, the dd is checked for time changes For the auto-deployer, yes. I think I'd actually prefer to not use the auto-deployer, and

Re: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread Andrew Scherpbier
Rickard Öberg wrote: David Jencks wrote: How would this help in the least? My understanding is that if you use a directory, the dd is checked for time changes For the auto-deployer, yes. I think I'd actually prefer to not use the auto-deployer, and instead make an Ant task that does

Re: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread Rickard Öberg
Luke Taylor wrote: It's not just about the time for the deployment, which is minimal - if you're working on frontend stuff and just essentially modifying web pages, then you lose your whole session state. If you have a complicated web application with security, shopping carts etc, and

RE: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread Bill Burke
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Luke Taylor Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss Andrew Scherpbier wrote: Rickard Öberg wrote: David Jencks wrote: How would this help in the least? My

Re: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread Rickard Öberg
David Jencks wrote: Could work, but I'd rather do something portable. Plus, it's non-trivial to break up our app (it's rather monolithic). Plus, several EAR's - several web deployments - several web contexts - no session sharing - no good. You're talking about a non-portable development

RE: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread marc fleury
|I remember now raising the same sort of issue during the JBoss training |in London. I always end up running a separate web container during Yes I remember, |development because the turnaround of redeploying due to minor jsp |changes is just too frustrating. | |It's not just about the time for

RE: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread marc fleury
ago ? ;=) marcf | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Luke | Taylor | Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 12:59 PM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss | | | Andrew Scherpbier wrote: | | Rickard Öberg

RE: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread Bill Burke
-Original Message- From: marc fleury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 1:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Luke Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss |In our app, we don't use wars and ears, only jars for our EJBs. Our

Re: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread danch
Rickard Öberg wrote: That's much better, assuming I know where the tmp directory is. And I don't, since the name keeps changing for each deployment. :-( Something people have been compaining about roughly forever. ___ Jboss-development

Re: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread danch
Bill Burke wrote: In our app, we don't use wars and ears, only jars for our EJBs. Our jsps run off of a directory exposed through Jetty. That way we can easily modify jsps on the fly. Can't see why anybody would use WARS and EARS unless you were shipping a product. I've worked in a

Re: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Rickard [ISO-8859-1] Öberg wrote: What I want to avoid is the copying and packaging that goes on. Do you have any idea of the time it takes to package 1500 JSP's into a JAR, and then have that 3-4Mb file copied and exploded into a tmp dir, and this for every time you

Re: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread David Jencks
On 2001.11.21 14:06:58 -0500 danch wrote: Rickard Öberg wrote: That's much better, assuming I know where the tmp directory is. And I don't, since the name keeps changing for each deployment. :-( Something people have been compaining about roughly forever. I think there are

Re: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, David Jencks wrote: On 2001.11.21 14:06:58 -0500 danch wrote: Rickard Öberg wrote: That's much better, assuming I know where the tmp directory is. And I don't, since the name keeps changing for each deployment. :-( Something people have been

Re: [JBoss-dev] Developing with JBoss

2001-11-21 Thread Jason Dillon
This makes alot of sence, would it be hard to augment the deployer in such a fashion as to make the window smaller? --jason What I would really like, is to see that a redeploy needs to happen, and have the new file extracted into a new directory first, THEN have the old version undeployed,