Dirk Stöcker schrieb:
> Hello,
>
> in revision 805 I implemented a new feature I want to know your opinions
> about:
>
> Virtual nodes.
>
> When in select mode and the displayed way is long enough, in the middle of
> the way a little + is added. When clicking this, a new node is created,
> which
On 18/08/2008 08:38, J.H. wrote:
> Dirk Stöcker schrieb:
>> Hello,
>>
>> in revision 805 I implemented a new feature I want to know your opinions
>> about:
>>
>> Virtual nodes.
>>
>> When in select mode and the displayed way is long enough, in the middle of
>> the way a little + is added. When cl
Hi,
it seems like this is a recurring topic on this mailing list, but this
only goes to show that there is an issue burning many people: the JOSM
architecture and design has countless deficits, but there is little hope
of fixing them while the Plugin-"API" consists of tons of public fields.
In kno
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, David Earl wrote:
>> That would have been high on my list to implement as well...
>
> Why would you want it, when SHIFT+CLICK does this? Or do you want it
> *exactly* half way? If you add a new node, I guess there are two things
> you might want to do next - extend a way from
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, J.H. wrote:
> This boils down to the following approach:
> - Assess which plugins are considered critical.
Already done. These are the ones we update frequently.
> - Make the source code of critical plugins available in the SVN
> repository if not already there.
Contacting
Dirk Stöcker wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, J.H. wrote:
>
> [..]
>
>> - Identify plugins which might just as well be moved into the JOSM code
>> base (I'm sure there's plenty of code which doesn't have to be a plugin).
>>
>
> Unglue is the only candidate ATM.
>
Add the AgPhoto plugin, as
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Shaun McDonald wrote:
>>> - Identify plugins which might just as well be moved into the JOSM code
>>> base (I'm sure there's plenty of code which doesn't have to be a plugin).
>>>
>>
>> Unglue is the only candidate ATM.
>>
> Add the AgPhoto plugin, as it is way more memory eff
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Mark Williams wrote:
> I don't get an exception, but I do find the preference dialog buttons
Ok, then the fix does work :-)
> are not displayed correctly (ie at all) in a Ubuntu system - they go off
> the bottom of the box, and there is no scroll facility to retrieve them.
>
Nice, quoting myself :-)
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, David Earl wrote:
>
>>> That would have been high on my list to implement as well...
>>
>> Why would you want it, when SHIFT+CLICK does this? Or do you want it
>> *exactly* half way? If you add a new node, I guess there are two things
>> you might wa
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Dirk Stöcker wrote, on 18.08.2008 10:42:
| If you have an old very inaccurate way
[...]
| and you want to change that to the GPS
| track you have. You have to switch dozens of times between S and A to
| create nodes, drag them, create more, check them
Dirk Stöcker napsal(a):
> Hello,
>
> in revision 805 I implemented a new feature I want to know your opinions
> about:
>
> Virtual nodes.
>
> When in select mode and the displayed way is long enough, in the middle of
> the way a little + is added. When clicking this, a new node is created,
>
Petr Nejedly napsal(a):
> Dirk Stöcker napsal(a):
>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>
>>> Gerv also hinted at the fact that JOSM is written in a way that is
>>> somewhat untypical for Java, and whenever a newcomer to JOSM programming
>>> said "this is all bullshit let's refactor it whol
Dirk Stöcker wrote:
> - Implement drawing ways in select mode and Add is no longer required and
>you have modeless editing. Start drawing mode using a key and ESC to
>stop is probably the best way to do this. Is C like "C"reate already
>used?
'C'ombine Ways
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On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 02:04:49PM +0200, Lennard voor den Dag wrote:
> Dirk St?cker wrote:
>
> > - Implement drawing ways in select mode and Add is no longer required and
> >you have modeless editing. Start drawing mode using a key and ESC to
> >stop is probably the best way to do this. I
Hi,
Dirk Stöcker schrieb:
> Why don't use the plugin installation in JOSM-Preferences?
Amazing ... I swear, it wasn't there yesterday :-)
Thanks!
Best regards,
Tobias
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> Solution for the dumb: Try removing the whole plugin directory on your
> other machine and redownload the whole set. When this works, fine. If not
> we need to find the reason.
>
> In my opinion computers sometimes do what they want. Reinstalling and
> deleting is the best in these situations :-)
On 18/08/2008 13:18, Maarten Deen wrote:
> This also circumvents the half broken option of placing nodes with SHIFT-CLICK
> (half broken because it always adds a segment to the node you placed
> before you release SHIFT).
No it doesn't. That's the whole point of the SHIFT modifier. Just click
add
Dirk Stöcker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> After a bit of thinking it is much easier: Adding a listener, which
> checks presses in Add-Modus and switches back to Select-Mode in case
> was pressed.
>
> You still have the modes, but that would not affect workflow at all.
It doesn't make much di
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 02:01:09PM +0100, David Earl wrote:
> On 18/08/2008 13:18, Maarten Deen wrote:
> >This also circumvents the half broken option of placing nodes with
> >SHIFT-CLICK
> >(half broken because it always adds a segment to the node you placed
> >before you release SHIFT).
>
> No
On 18/08/2008 14:13, Maarten Deen wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 02:01:09PM +0100, David Earl wrote:
>> On 18/08/2008 13:18, Maarten Deen wrote:
>>> This also circumvents the half broken option of placing nodes with
>>> SHIFT-CLICK
>>> (half broken because it always adds a segment to the node yo
Maarten Deen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Press 'A' or 'N' or select the 'Draw Nodes' tool. Press and hold
> SHIFT and click a few nodes. These nodes are drawn without a segment.
> So far so good. Now release SHIFT and move the mouse. You will see a
> segment that starts from the last node you en
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Matthias Julius wrote:
Dirk Stöcker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
After a bit of thinking it is much easier: Adding a listener, which
checks presses in Add-Modus and switches back to Select-Mode in case
was pressed.
You still have the modes, but that would not affect work
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Petr Nejedly wrote:
> I just don't like the appearance of the "virtual nodes". Could you turn them
> into
> small (nonzoomed), thin red plus signs instead of rendering them the same
> style
> as the way they sit on?
Sure. In SimplePaintVisitor there is one function drawing
David Earl wrote:
> On 18/08/2008 14:13, Maarten Deen wrote:
>> Press 'A' or 'N' or select the 'Draw Nodes' tool. Press and hold
>> SHIFT and click a few nodes. These nodes are drawn without a segment.
>> So far so good. Now release SHIFT and move the mouse. You will see a
>> segment that starts f
Maarten Deen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> You have just redefined the meaning of "shift-click".
> No key or mouse combination with a special key I know of changes when you
> release either key. JOSM is the first application I encounter that does so.
> Simple example: use shift and left mousebutt
J.H. schrieb:
> - Introduce an API version management for plugins (let a plugin return
> its expected API version. Assume pre-version-management version on
> NoSuchMethodError).
> - Make it easy for refactorers to run a workspace with all the
> (critical) plugins checked out.
> - By the way of refa
Matthias Julius wrote:
> Maarten Deen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> You have just redefined the meaning of "shift-click".
>> No key or mouse combination with a special key I know of changes when you
>> release either key. JOSM is the first application I encounter that does so.
>> Simple exampl
2008/8/18 Petr Nejedly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I just don't like the appearance of the "virtual nodes". Could you turn them
> into
> small (nonzoomed), thin red plus signs instead of rendering them the same
> style
> as the way they sit on?
I love this new functionality, which as you say, is per
Hi,
>> Add the AgPhoto plugin, as it is way more memory efficient than the
>> builtin photo linking.
>
> Frederik?
> I do not use photos, so I'm not the right contact here.
I don't either but I have heard a number of reports that Agpifoj was
indeed better than what we have built in, so throw ou
Maarten Deen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Matthias Julius wrote:
>> Maarten Deen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> You have just redefined the meaning of "shift-click".
>>> No key or mouse combination with a special key I know of changes when you
>>> release either key. JOSM is the first appli
Hi,
> Therefore I propose to refactor the current code base under the
> following assumptions:
> - It is not possible NOT to break compatibility with any plugin, so we
> better don't even try.
Anyone who refactors JOSM and willingly breaks plugins (that are checked
in to SVN and are in use) demo
Dirk Stöcker napsal(a):
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Petr Nejedly wrote:
>
>> I just don't like the appearance of the "virtual nodes". Could you turn them
>> into
>> small (nonzoomed), thin red plus signs instead of rendering them the same
>> style
>> as the way they sit on?
>
> Sure. In SimplePaintV
Hi,
Raphael Studer wrote:
> After restarting josm and try to update them again, the same plugins
> needed an update witch take again less then a second.
Here's a long-ish explanation of the way JOSM deals with plugins.
Please, please, everybody print this out and pin it to the wall or maybe
eve
Evgeny Mandrikov napsal(a):
> Why are you using ant instead of maven in JOSM-NG?
The obvious answer is 42 of course...
Guess what. I just created a new J2SE project in NetBeans and it created
an ant script for me with all the bells and whistles. It helps me debug,
it helps me profile. On the othe
Hi,
who had the brain-dead idea to put add-node hotspots into SELECT mode,
exactly where we used to click to SELECT ways before---and to leave out
a configuration setting to turn it off?
cu
Henry
PS: pissed, because I just found a couple of added nodes in my command
stack and have to redo my
2008/8/18 Henry Loenwind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> PS: pissed, because I just found a couple of added nodes in my command
> stack and have to redo my last 20 minutes of work because I don't know
> where they are and don't want to upload bogus nodes...
And that excuses rudeness on this scale directed
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Other plugins are again one step more complex. They use the SVN revision
> number as their version and thus make manual intervention unnecessary.
> There is a catch, however, at least with subversion under Linux. If you
> make a change to the plugin, the
Jonathan Bennett napsal(a):
> Petr Nejedly wrote:
>> When thinking of it now, I don't think starting josm-ng was a bad idea.
>> It allowed me to prototype my ideas quickly and some of the ideas can
>> still be taken from josm-ng and ported to josm.
>
>
> Petr, just out of interest, why didn't you
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Henry Loenwind wrote:
> who had the brain-dead idea to put add-node hotspots into SELECT mode,
> exactly where we used to click to SELECT ways before---and to leave out
> a configuration setting to turn it off?
First: You should learn to behave.
Second: It can be turned off,
Frederik Ramm napsal(a):
> Can we make it mandatory in the future for everyone whining about JOSM's
> programming model to explain why they're not working on JOSM-NG?
;-)
So I can whine all the time...
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Nic Roets napsal(a):
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> But with JOSM-NG sitting around untouched by anyone but Petr himself,
>> and this for the best part of a year, the argument that a properly
>> designed JOSM would attract more programmers rings hollo
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Dermot McNally wrote:
>> PS: pissed, because I just found a couple of added nodes in my command
>> stack and have to redo my last 20 minutes of work because I don't know
>> where they are and don't want to upload bogus nodes...
>
> And that excuses rudeness on this scale direc
Maarten Deen wrote:
> So far so good. Now release SHIFT and move the mouse. You will see a
> segment that starts from the last node you entered.
> That is my gripe with the SHIFT-CLICK option. It works until you release
> SHIFT, which makes it broken.
Oops, then the brakes in my car are broken, t
Hi,
>> Anything else is fine with me as long as you don't go overboard
>> "refactoring", i.e. change what needs to be changed and leave the rest
>> alone (no wholesale refactoring just to be compliant with what people
>> call "standard practice").
> This is not about some fancy ivory tower pa
Hello,
find attached another usability improvement for the relation editor:
When starting the relation editor from within the properties dialog
the corresponding members will be selected. If necessary the the
member list will be scrolled accordingly.
Eg. if you want to edit a role of a way / node
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Dermot McNally wrote:
> And that excuses rudeness on this scale directed against somebody else
> giving up his personal time for the project? I think you need to watch
> your temper. I also just noticed the selecting difficulties caused by
> the placement of the otherwise very
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Dirk Stöcker wrote, on 18.08.2008 21:28:
|
| Third: These crosses are very obvious. If you did not see them, I can't
| help you.
Hello Dirk,
I cannot see any crosses when I select a GPX layer in the layers list. I
often use this because all ways will
Matthias Julius wrote:
> Maarten Deen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Or, if not node was selected, a node with a segment is created
>
> No, there is no segment created. There is only a line shown from the
> node to the mouse pointer to indicate that a segment would be created
> if you place/sele
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Bodo Meissner wrote:
> I cannot see any crosses when I select a GPX layer in the layers list. I
> often use this because all ways will be displayed in dark gray colour
> which makes it easier to see the GPX tracks.
Need to test if the element is in active layer. Display is co
On 18/08/2008 18:31, Maarten Deen wrote:
> Matthias Julius wrote:
> There is the catch. Shift-Click and a node without a segment is created.
> Release
> the shift and the segment is created. The only way to create a node without a
> segment is to created two nodes. Then the first is created with
David Earl wrote:
> On 18/08/2008 18:31, Maarten Deen wrote:
>> Matthias Julius wrote:
>> There is the catch. Shift-Click and a node without a segment is created.
>> Release
>> the shift and the segment is created. The only way to create a node without
>> a
>> segment is to created two nodes. T
Robin Rattay napsal(a):
> J.H. schrieb:
>> - Introduce an API version management for plugins (let a plugin return
>> its expected API version. Assume pre-version-management version on
>> NoSuchMethodError).
>> - Make it easy for refactorers to run a workspace with all the
>> (critical) plugins chec
On 18/08/2008 23:14, Maarten Deen wrote:
> David Earl wrote:
>> On 18/08/2008 18:31, Maarten Deen wrote:
>>> Matthias Julius wrote:
>>> There is the catch. Shift-Click and a node without a segment is created.
>>> Release
>>> the shift and the segment is created. The only way to create a node with
Till Amma napsal(a):
> It is good to know that there are two approaches right now. JOSM-ng for
> the guys liking encapsulated, design pattern driven code. And the existing
> JOSM providing a more loose access to fields making it easier to implement
> things.
Kind of marketing follows
Sorry, I co
Dirk Stöcker schrieb:
> Hmm. Good question. I thought that mode should only be usable in active
> layer. Enabling the display is probably easier than fixing the selection
> :-)
>
just fix #371 :-)
Regards, Florian
Ps: SCNR
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Frederik Ramm schrieb:
>
>> I don't see that NG or NG-2 would fly at this point.
>
> I don't see why not.
Well, I hope you actually *do* see the point - as I know personally that
you're really not an ignorant :-)
I'm astonished why everybody is so eager about
> fussing around with a piece of
>If there is great demand from the community (and there obviously is),
>you as a project develop lead shouldn't simply say "I don't like it ..."
>- so we don't do it.
This statement pretty much sums up my experience with OSM in general and is the
reason I no longer contribute. The project lea
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