Re: The (dark) future of Java on desktop

2018-04-16 Thread Vincent Privat
Indeed, I think the JOSM message of the day in September won't be exactly polite against Oracle! 2018-04-16 20:44 GMT+02:00 Jo : > Good news! Who needs Oracle anyway :-) > > Polyglot > > 2018-04-16 20:36 GMT+02:00 Vincent Privat : > >> Hello, >> I got in contact with Jiri Vanek. He might be our s

Re: The (dark) future of Java on desktop

2018-04-16 Thread Jo
Good news! Who needs Oracle anyway :-) Polyglot 2018-04-16 20:36 GMT+02:00 Vincent Privat : > Hello, > I got in contact with Jiri Vanek. He might be our saviour. > As some of you may know, he's the one behind IcedTea-Web (ITW: the free & > open-source implementation of Java WebStart in the IcedT

Re: The (dark) future of Java on desktop

2018-04-16 Thread Vincent Privat
Hello, I got in contact with Jiri Vanek. He might be our saviour. As some of you may know, he's the one behind IcedTea-Web (ITW: the free & open-source implementation of Java WebStart in the IcedTea project): https://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/IcedTea-Web The project is still actively developed (t

Re: The (dark) future of Java on desktop

2018-04-11 Thread Vincent Privat
One month already and I still don't know what to do regarding WebStart. I found out this: https://developers.redhat.com/products/openjdk/download/ Red Hat is providing an implementation of OpenJDK 8 on Windows containing: - OpenJDK - OpenJFX - WebStart based on IcedTea-Web - An auto-update feature

Re: The (dark) future of Java on desktop

2018-03-10 Thread Vincent Privat
If we were to abandon AWT/Swing, migrating to SWT might be another option. I don't think it would be easy, but at least it's actively maintained: https://www.openhub.net/p/swt/contributors/summary 2018-03-09 10:40 GMT+01:00 Dirk Stöcker : > On Thu, 8 Mar 2018, Richard wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 08, 2

Re: The (dark) future of Java on desktop

2018-03-09 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Thu, 8 Mar 2018, Richard wrote: On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 08:36:21AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: You could sit down today and re-implement everything in, say, C++, and it would be relatively straightforward, and while the result would not share any of JOSM's codebase, it would still encapsula

Re: The (dark) future of Java on desktop

2018-03-09 Thread Michael Zangl
I don't think it's worth speculating now. (1) The linked document mostly focuses on Java web start (which is just a convenience for some users - but we can ship JOSM otherwise, e.g. using a launcher like many java programs do) and other non-JOSM technologies (we have only one class depending on Ja

Re: The (dark) future of Java on desktop

2018-03-08 Thread Wiktor Niesiobedzki
My reading of this Oracle post is that is to actually change the way you ship the applications. Instead of relying on JRE installation on client station - ship your code bundled with JRE as jlink does (and take care about all the updates yourself). Anyway I guess that we can assume that number of

Re: The (dark) future of Java on desktop

2018-03-08 Thread Richard
On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 08:36:21AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > You could sit down today and re-implement everything in, say, C++, and > it would be relatively straightforward, and while the result would not > share any of JOSM's codebase, it would still encapsulate all the > experience and brain

Re: The (dark) future of Java on desktop

2018-03-08 Thread Vincent Privat
WebStart is going away. It is the only part of Java that isn't open source and they explicitely stated they won't open source it: https://twitter.com/DonaldOJDK/status/971492781616136194 So at least starting from September we'll have to make the WebStart link less prominent as it won't work anymor

Re: The (dark) future of Java on desktop

2018-03-08 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Thu, 8 Mar 2018, Dirk Stöcker wrote: [nothing] Sorry, operator error :-) Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)

Re: The (dark) future of Java on desktop

2018-03-08 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Thu, 8 Mar 2018, Frederik Ramm wrote: You could sit down today and re-implement everything in, say, C++, and it would be relatively straightforward, and while the result would not share any of JOSM's codebase, it would still encapsulate all the experience and brainpower that has flown into JO

Re: The (dark) future of Java on desktop

2018-03-08 Thread Simon Poole
In any case, as I read it, the implication is that oracle simply doesn't want to be involved, not that anything will be going away. Simon Am 08.03.2018 um 08:36 schrieb Frederik Ramm: > Hi, > > On 08.03.2018 00:06, Vincent Privat wrote: >> I'm not sure what it implies for the long-term developme

Re: The (dark) future of Java on desktop

2018-03-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 08.03.2018 00:06, Vincent Privat wrote: > I'm not sure what it implies for the long-term development of JOSM, but > nothing good I fear. I wouldn't be too concerned. With all due respect for your coding work, I don't think that the actual program code is the essential thing about JOSM. It'

The (dark) future of Java on desktop

2018-03-07 Thread Vincent Privat
Oracle issued this sad, frustrating and almost depressing statement today: https://blogs.oracle.com/java-platform-group/the-future-of-javafx-and-other-java-client-roadmap-updates http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/javaclientroadmapupdate2018mar-4414431.pdf Forget the "yay this is an ex