Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo
I guess its some kind of coincidence that I am noticing a high degree of informal commentary on UG lists lately. You do realize that this kind of thing reflects badly on customer and employer appeal? For instance, I could say some kind of offhand comment like they'll give a greencard to just about any slob who scraped up enough money to bribe the DOL!. Obviously, some may be deeply offended by such a statement. Although it is certainly the prerogative of a group to govern themselves the way they see fit, in the case of a JUG, there is the issue of the exploitation of the legitimacy that the JUG term provides. I'm wondering if there are any regulations that deal with this issue in the JCP or whether the JUG term is an entirely public-domain all-purpose term that can be utilized by any party. I would assume that if there are no such regulations then either 1) JUGs will likely degrade in relevance( a process already in effect ), 2) such regulations will be imposed in the future. The problems of such exploitation extend to all members of a local area. Thanks, Josh Zeidner --- Nick Lesiecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Tim and Jon: I nearly fell out of my freaking chair at White and Nerdy. To the rest of you: If you haven't seen it, it's a must see. Back to Tim: Even Google hasn't solved the problem of how to migrate all of your friends and relatives from your old address. Besides, this way I can spy on their new UI! FWIW: I couldn't survive without GMail for my work account. Only Gmail can handle the volume of internal mail I get. Back to the group: Oh, and anyone who's in the area for Hackday's welcome to come and visit the 'plex. Dunno what Yahoo has planned for HackDay, but I guarantee our cafe food is better on the average Tuesday than it is at Yahoo's special event. That's right. I went there. Nick On Sep 19, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote: Lol... am I the only one laughing that Nick sent this from his yahoo.com email? Hojillion -- number of hos you can fit in your car ... hmm, in my two-seater that'd only be one and she'd have to sit on the wife's lap...which would most likely end badly. grin It's too bad GOOG doesn't seem to have a remote worker option... or FYI... I'll be at the Yahoo Open Hack Day (hackday.org) in the Bay Area next weekend. Anybody else going to be there? Nick? Or are you too white and nerdy? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7939447080926152362q=white +and+ nerdy -Timo -Original Message- From: Nick Lesiecki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:23 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Fwd: Potentially interesting Seattle Times story I think this is an appropriate time to mention that Google has an office in Phoenix, and if you want to be part of a team that wins a hojillion* dollar award, you should send me your resume. I've already helped one of the Tucson JUG'ers find employ at Google, and I hope to shepherd a few more into our Island of Snacks in Tempe. Cheers, Nick * Hojillion: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hojillion P.S. This is my one chance for famous name dropping: I was in a meeting w/ Guido Van Rossum yesterday. WOot! P.P.S. Despite the tone of this email, I am serious. Send me your resume. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo
Sorry Mr. Zeidner, informal developer-related commentary is indeed inappropriate content for a USERS GROUP. In fact, I have seen on this list that at certain JUG meetings, discussion on non-Java technologies have been discussed. Everyone needs to get back to working on corporate project #101 immediately. And make sure it's written in Java(tm). I'll go back to lurking again. Art On Sep 21, 2006, at 10:36 AM, josh zeidner wrote: I guess its some kind of coincidence that I am noticing a high degree of informal commentary on UG lists lately. You do realize that this kind of thing reflects badly on customer and employer appeal? For instance, I could say some kind of offhand comment like they'll give a greencard to just about any slob who scraped up enough money to bribe the DOL!. Obviously, some may be deeply offended by such a statement. Although it is certainly the prerogative of a group to govern themselves the way they see fit, in the case of a JUG, there is the issue of the exploitation of the legitimacy that the JUG term provides. I'm wondering if there are any regulations that deal with this issue in the JCP or whether the JUG term is an entirely public-domain all-purpose term that can be utilized by any party. I would assume that if there are no such regulations then either 1) JUGs will likely degrade in relevance( a process already in effect ), 2) such regulations will be imposed in the future. The problems of such exploitation extend to all members of a local area. Thanks, Josh Zeidner --- Nick Lesiecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Tim and Jon: I nearly fell out of my freaking chair at White and Nerdy. To the rest of you: If you haven't seen it, it's a must see. Back to Tim: Even Google hasn't solved the problem of how to migrate all of your friends and relatives from your old address. Besides, this way I can spy on their new UI! FWIW: I couldn't survive without GMail for my work account. Only Gmail can handle the volume of internal mail I get. Back to the group: Oh, and anyone who's in the area for Hackday's welcome to come and visit the 'plex. Dunno what Yahoo has planned for HackDay, but I guarantee our cafe food is better on the average Tuesday than it is at Yahoo's special event. That's right. I went there. Nick On Sep 19, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote: Lol... am I the only one laughing that Nick sent this from his yahoo.com email? Hojillion -- number of hos you can fit in your car ... hmm, in my two-seater that'd only be one and she'd have to sit on the wife's lap...which would most likely end badly. grin It's too bad GOOG doesn't seem to have a remote worker option... or FYI... I'll be at the Yahoo Open Hack Day (hackday.org) in the Bay Area next weekend. Anybody else going to be there? Nick? Or are you too white and nerdy? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7939447080926152362q=white +and+ nerdy -Timo -Original Message- From: Nick Lesiecki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:23 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Fwd: Potentially interesting Seattle Times story I think this is an appropriate time to mention that Google has an office in Phoenix, and if you want to be part of a team that wins a hojillion* dollar award, you should send me your resume. I've already helped one of the Tucson JUG'ers find employ at Google, and I hope to shepherd a few more into our Island of Snacks in Tempe. Cheers, Nick * Hojillion: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hojillion P.S. This is my one chance for famous name dropping: I was in a meeting w/ Guido Van Rossum yesterday. WOot! P.P.S. Despite the tone of this email, I am serious. Send me your resume. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo
Yes, very entertaining. Although the actual laws and guidelines that govern these issues remain to be seen( in this thread ), I do find that fostering an environment of informal discussion etc. provides an excellent cover for industry jackasses to effect the community in very negative ways. Back to the original question: Does Sun manage these problems? JCP? or the local community members? thanks, jmz --- Michael Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attention Attention, anyone reading this message without the intent of evaluating the javaness of it please disregard. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)866-9034 Cell:(518)378-6154 Fax:(702)974-0341 -Original Message- From: Art Gramlich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:49 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo Sorry Mr. Zeidner, informal developer-related commentary is indeed inappropriate content for a USERS GROUP. In fact, I have seen on this list that at certain JUG meetings, discussion on non-Java technologies have been discussed. Everyone needs to get back to working on corporate project #101 immediately. And make sure it's written in Java(tm). I'll go back to lurking again. Art On Sep 21, 2006, at 10:36 AM, josh zeidner wrote: I guess its some kind of coincidence that I am noticing a high degree of informal commentary on UG lists lately. You do realize that this kind of thing reflects badly on customer and employer appeal? For instance, I could say some kind of offhand comment like they'll give a greencard to just about any slob who scraped up enough money to bribe the DOL!. Obviously, some may be deeply offended by such a statement. Although it is certainly the prerogative of a group to govern themselves the way they see fit, in the case of a JUG, there is the issue of the exploitation of the legitimacy that the JUG term provides. I'm wondering if there are any regulations that deal with this issue in the JCP or whether the JUG term is an entirely public-domain all-purpose term that can be utilized by any party. I would assume that if there are no such regulations then either 1) JUGs will likely degrade in relevance( a process already in effect ), 2) such regulations will be imposed in the future. The problems of such exploitation extend to all members of a local area. Thanks, Josh Zeidner --- Nick Lesiecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Tim and Jon: I nearly fell out of my freaking chair at White and Nerdy. To the rest of you: If you haven't seen it, it's a must see. Back to Tim: Even Google hasn't solved the problem of how to migrate all of your friends and relatives from your old address. Besides, this way I can spy on their new UI! FWIW: I couldn't survive without GMail for my work account. Only Gmail can handle the volume of internal mail I get. Back to the group: Oh, and anyone who's in the area for Hackday's welcome to come and visit the 'plex. Dunno what Yahoo has planned for HackDay, but I guarantee our cafe food is better on the average Tuesday than it is at Yahoo's special event. That's right. I went there. Nick On Sep 19, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote: Lol... am I the only one laughing that Nick sent this from his yahoo.com email? Hojillion -- number of hos you can fit in your car ... hmm, in my two-seater that'd only be one and she'd have to sit on the wife's lap...which would most likely end badly. grin It's too bad GOOG doesn't seem to have a remote worker option... or FYI... I'll be at the Yahoo Open Hack Day (hackday.org) in the Bay Area next weekend. Anybody else going to be there? Nick? Or are you too white and nerdy? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7939447080926152362q=white +and+ nerdy -Timo -Original Message- From: Nick Lesiecki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:23 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Fwd: Potentially interesting Seattle Times story I think this is an appropriate time to mention that Google has an office in Phoenix, and if you want to be part of a team that wins a hojillion* dollar award, you should send me your resume. I've already helped one of the Tucson JUG'ers find employ at Google, and I hope to shepherd a few more into our Island of Snacks in Tempe. Cheers, Nick * Hojillion: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hojillion P.S. This is my one chance for famous name dropping: I was in a meeting w/ Guido Van Rossum yesterday. WOot! P.P.S. Despite the tone of this email, I am serious
Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo
On 9/21/06, josh zeidner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JUGs will likely degrade in relevance( a process already in effect ) Huh-Huh. Huh-Huh. He said jugs. Dunno about you, but jugs are still very high in relevance to me. Sorry, just doing my part to keep the quality of discussions on this group high... -- Chad - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo
i wish we could get an opinion out of this group On Sep 21, 2006, at 11:16 AM, josh zeidner wrote: Yes, very entertaining. Although the actual laws and guidelines that govern these issues remain to be seen( in this thread ), I do find that fostering an environment of informal discussion etc. provides an excellent cover for industry jackasses to effect the community in very negative ways. Back to the original question: Does Sun manage these problems? JCP? or the local community members? thanks, jmz --- Michael Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attention Attention, anyone reading this message without the intent of evaluating the javaness of it please disregard. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)866-9034 Cell:(518)378-6154 Fax:(702)974-0341 -Original Message- From: Art Gramlich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:49 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo Sorry Mr. Zeidner, informal developer-related commentary is indeed inappropriate content for a USERS GROUP. In fact, I have seen on this list that at certain JUG meetings, discussion on non-Java technologies have been discussed. Everyone needs to get back to working on corporate project #101 immediately. And make sure it's written in Java(tm). I'll go back to lurking again. Art On Sep 21, 2006, at 10:36 AM, josh zeidner wrote: I guess its some kind of coincidence that I am noticing a high degree of informal commentary on UG lists lately. You do realize that this kind of thing reflects badly on customer and employer appeal? For instance, I could say some kind of offhand comment like they'll give a greencard to just about any slob who scraped up enough money to bribe the DOL!. Obviously, some may be deeply offended by such a statement. Although it is certainly the prerogative of a group to govern themselves the way they see fit, in the case of a JUG, there is the issue of the exploitation of the legitimacy that the JUG term provides. I'm wondering if there are any regulations that deal with this issue in the JCP or whether the JUG term is an entirely public-domain all-purpose term that can be utilized by any party. I would assume that if there are no such regulations then either 1) JUGs will likely degrade in relevance( a process already in effect ), 2) such regulations will be imposed in the future. The problems of such exploitation extend to all members of a local area. Thanks, Josh Zeidner --- Nick Lesiecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Tim and Jon: I nearly fell out of my freaking chair at White and Nerdy. To the rest of you: If you haven't seen it, it's a must see. Back to Tim: Even Google hasn't solved the problem of how to migrate all of your friends and relatives from your old address. Besides, this way I can spy on their new UI! FWIW: I couldn't survive without GMail for my work account. Only Gmail can handle the volume of internal mail I get. Back to the group: Oh, and anyone who's in the area for Hackday's welcome to come and visit the 'plex. Dunno what Yahoo has planned for HackDay, but I guarantee our cafe food is better on the average Tuesday than it is at Yahoo's special event. That's right. I went there. Nick On Sep 19, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote: Lol... am I the only one laughing that Nick sent this from his yahoo.com email? Hojillion -- number of hos you can fit in your car ... hmm, in my two-seater that'd only be one and she'd have to sit on the wife's lap...which would most likely end badly. grin It's too bad GOOG doesn't seem to have a remote worker option... or FYI... I'll be at the Yahoo Open Hack Day (hackday.org) in the Bay Area next weekend. Anybody else going to be there? Nick? Or are you too white and nerdy? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7939447080926152362q=white +and+ nerdy -Timo -Original Message- From: Nick Lesiecki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:23 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Fwd: Potentially interesting Seattle Times story I think this is an appropriate time to mention that Google has an office in Phoenix, and if you want to be part of a team that wins a hojillion* dollar award, you should send me your resume. I've already helped one of the Tucson JUG'ers find employ at Google, and I hope to shepherd a few more into our Island of Snacks in Tempe. Cheers, Nick * Hojillion: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hojillion P.S. This is my one chance for famous name dropping: I was in a meeting w/ Guido Van Rossum yesterday. WOot! P.P.S. Despite the tone of this email, I am serious. Send me your resume. === message truncated === __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired
Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo
Thanks Chad. Your 'Beavis and Butthead' reference certainly helped to support your statement. -jmz --- Chad Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/21/06, josh zeidner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JUGs will likely degrade in relevance( a process already in effect ) Huh-Huh. Huh-Huh. He said jugs. Dunno about you, but jugs are still very high in relevance to me. Sorry, just doing my part to keep the quality of discussions on this group high... -- Chad __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo
Ok since any sort of frivolity is frowned upon by some, let's get serious. Call it govern themselves or sensorship or standards or regulations, etc. but the problem with that is who decides? If a discussion thread starts off on AJAX relative to Java and someone interjects some .NET code examples, is that off topic enough? Who decides? If someone is talking Apple Battery recalls and speaks of their Dell or an Airport travel problem, is that off topic or not Java enough to warrant expulsion? Who decides? If someone is just cranky and finds too much idle chatter clogging up their inbox and uses an obviously offensive sentence to illustrate a point, is that enough to sensor it? Who decides? If someone calls someone else a jackass but managed to veil it somewhat, is that enough? Who decides? Every list I am on has had some obnoxious person try to hijack the list for their own agenda and most times they get flamed enough to get pissed off and leave without having to bar them, which doesn't work BTW because a new email address is 30 seconds away. I think Warner is right on target, and I don't know of any degrading user that has needed to be banned or even heavily chastized, so if someone, including me gets too off topic to the point of degrading the list, somebody please just say so. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)866-9034 Cell:(518)378-6154 Fax:(702)974-0341 -Original Message- From: josh zeidner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:37 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo I guess its some kind of coincidence that I am noticing a high degree of informal commentary on UG lists lately. You do realize that this kind of thing reflects badly on customer and employer appeal? For instance, I could say some kind of offhand comment like they'll give a greencard to just about any slob who scraped up enough money to bribe the DOL!. Obviously, some may be deeply offended by such a statement. Although it is certainly the prerogative of a group to govern themselves the way they see fit, in the case of a JUG, there is the issue of the exploitation of the legitimacy that the JUG term provides. I'm wondering if there are any regulations that deal with this issue in the JCP or whether the JUG term is an entirely public-domain all-purpose term that can be utilized by any party. I would assume that if there are no such regulations then either 1) JUGs will likely degrade in relevance( a process already in effect ), 2) such regulations will be imposed in the future. The problems of such exploitation extend to all members of a local area. Thanks, Josh Zeidner --- Nick Lesiecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Tim and Jon: I nearly fell out of my freaking chair at White and Nerdy. To the rest of you: If you haven't seen it, it's a must see. Back to Tim: Even Google hasn't solved the problem of how to migrate all of your friends and relatives from your old address. Besides, this way I can spy on their new UI! FWIW: I couldn't survive without GMail for my work account. Only Gmail can handle the volume of internal mail I get. Back to the group: Oh, and anyone who's in the area for Hackday's welcome to come and visit the 'plex. Dunno what Yahoo has planned for HackDay, but I guarantee our cafe food is better on the average Tuesday than it is at Yahoo's special event. That's right. I went there. Nick On Sep 19, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote: Lol... am I the only one laughing that Nick sent this from his yahoo.com email? Hojillion -- number of hos you can fit in your car ... hmm, in my two-seater that'd only be one and she'd have to sit on the wife's lap...which would most likely end badly. grin It's too bad GOOG doesn't seem to have a remote worker option... or FYI... I'll be at the Yahoo Open Hack Day (hackday.org) in the Bay Area next weekend. Anybody else going to be there? Nick? Or are you too white and nerdy? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7939447080926152362q=white +and+ nerdy -Timo -Original Message- From: Nick Lesiecki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:23 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Fwd: Potentially interesting Seattle Times story I think this is an appropriate time to mention that Google has an office in Phoenix, and if you want to be part of a team that wins a hojillion* dollar award, you should send me your resume. I've already helped one of the Tucson JUG'ers find employ at Google, and I hope to shepherd a few more into our Island of Snacks in Tempe. Cheers, Nick * Hojillion: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hojillion P.S. This is my one chance for famous
RE: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo
Maybe it's a plot to get speaking time at the next United Nations General Assembly, they will let just about anyone speak about just about anything. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)866-9034 Cell:(518)378-6154 Fax:(702)974-0341 -Original Message- From: Jon Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:29 PM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo i wish we could get an opinion out of this group On Sep 21, 2006, at 11:16 AM, josh zeidner wrote: Yes, very entertaining. Although the actual laws and guidelines that govern these issues remain to be seen( in this thread ), I do find that fostering an environment of informal discussion etc. provides an excellent cover for industry jackasses to effect the community in very negative ways. Back to the original question: Does Sun manage these problems? JCP? or the local community members? thanks, jmz --- Michael Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attention Attention, anyone reading this message without the intent of evaluating the javaness of it please disregard. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)866-9034 Cell:(518)378-6154 Fax:(702)974-0341 -Original Message- From: Art Gramlich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:49 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo Sorry Mr. Zeidner, informal developer-related commentary is indeed inappropriate content for a USERS GROUP. In fact, I have seen on this list that at certain JUG meetings, discussion on non-Java technologies have been discussed. Everyone needs to get back to working on corporate project #101 immediately. And make sure it's written in Java(tm). I'll go back to lurking again. Art On Sep 21, 2006, at 10:36 AM, josh zeidner wrote: I guess its some kind of coincidence that I am noticing a high degree of informal commentary on UG lists lately. You do realize that this kind of thing reflects badly on customer and employer appeal? For instance, I could say some kind of offhand comment like they'll give a greencard to just about any slob who scraped up enough money to bribe the DOL!. Obviously, some may be deeply offended by such a statement. Although it is certainly the prerogative of a group to govern themselves the way they see fit, in the case of a JUG, there is the issue of the exploitation of the legitimacy that the JUG term provides. I'm wondering if there are any regulations that deal with this issue in the JCP or whether the JUG term is an entirely public-domain all-purpose term that can be utilized by any party. I would assume that if there are no such regulations then either 1) JUGs will likely degrade in relevance( a process already in effect ), 2) such regulations will be imposed in the future. The problems of such exploitation extend to all members of a local area. Thanks, Josh Zeidner --- Nick Lesiecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Tim and Jon: I nearly fell out of my freaking chair at White and Nerdy. To the rest of you: If you haven't seen it, it's a must see. Back to Tim: Even Google hasn't solved the problem of how to migrate all of your friends and relatives from your old address. Besides, this way I can spy on their new UI! FWIW: I couldn't survive without GMail for my work account. Only Gmail can handle the volume of internal mail I get. Back to the group: Oh, and anyone who's in the area for Hackday's welcome to come and visit the 'plex. Dunno what Yahoo has planned for HackDay, but I guarantee our cafe food is better on the average Tuesday than it is at Yahoo's special event. That's right. I went there. Nick On Sep 19, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote: Lol... am I the only one laughing that Nick sent this from his yahoo.com email? Hojillion -- number of hos you can fit in your car ... hmm, in my two-seater that'd only be one and she'd have to sit on the wife's lap...which would most likely end badly. grin It's too bad GOOG doesn't seem to have a remote worker option... or FYI... I'll be at the Yahoo Open Hack Day (hackday.org) in the Bay Area next weekend. Anybody else going to be there? Nick? Or are you too white and nerdy? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7939447080926152362q=white +and+ nerdy -Timo -Original Message- From: Nick Lesiecki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:23 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Fwd: Potentially interesting Seattle Times story I think this is an appropriate time to mention that Google has an office in Phoenix, and if you want to be part of a team that wins a hojillion
Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo
Thanks for a sane reply. On Sep 21, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Michael Oliver wrote: Ok since any sort of frivolity is frowned upon by some, let's get serious. Call it govern themselves or sensorship or standards or regulations, etc. but the problem with that is who decides? If a discussion thread starts off on AJAX relative to Java and someone interjects some .NET code examples, is that off topic enough? Who decides? If someone is talking Apple Battery recalls and speaks of their Dell or an Airport travel problem, is that off topic or not Java enough to warrant expulsion? Who decides? If someone is just cranky and finds too much idle chatter clogging up their inbox and uses an obviously offensive sentence to illustrate a point, is that enough to sensor it? Who decides? If someone calls someone else a jackass but managed to veil it somewhat, is that enough? Who decides? Every list I am on has had some obnoxious person try to hijack the list for their own agenda and most times they get flamed enough to get pissed off and leave without having to bar them, which doesn't work BTW because a new email address is 30 seconds away. I think Warner is right on target, and I don't know of any degrading user that has needed to be banned or even heavily chastized, so if someone, including me gets too off topic to the point of degrading the list, somebody please just say so. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)866-9034 Cell:(518)378-6154 Fax:(702)974-0341 -Original Message- From: josh zeidner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:37 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo I guess its some kind of coincidence that I am noticing a high degree of informal commentary on UG lists lately. You do realize that this kind of thing reflects badly on customer and employer appeal? For instance, I could say some kind of offhand comment like they'll give a greencard to just about any slob who scraped up enough money to bribe the DOL!. Obviously, some may be deeply offended by such a statement. Although it is certainly the prerogative of a group to govern themselves the way they see fit, in the case of a JUG, there is the issue of the exploitation of the legitimacy that the JUG term provides. I'm wondering if there are any regulations that deal with this issue in the JCP or whether the JUG term is an entirely public-domain all-purpose term that can be utilized by any party. I would assume that if there are no such regulations then either 1) JUGs will likely degrade in relevance( a process already in effect ), 2) such regulations will be imposed in the future. The problems of such exploitation extend to all members of a local area. Thanks, Josh Zeidner --- Nick Lesiecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Tim and Jon: I nearly fell out of my freaking chair at White and Nerdy. To the rest of you: If you haven't seen it, it's a must see. Back to Tim: Even Google hasn't solved the problem of how to migrate all of your friends and relatives from your old address. Besides, this way I can spy on their new UI! FWIW: I couldn't survive without GMail for my work account. Only Gmail can handle the volume of internal mail I get. Back to the group: Oh, and anyone who's in the area for Hackday's welcome to come and visit the 'plex. Dunno what Yahoo has planned for HackDay, but I guarantee our cafe food is better on the average Tuesday than it is at Yahoo's special event. That's right. I went there. Nick On Sep 19, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote: Lol... am I the only one laughing that Nick sent this from his yahoo.com email? Hojillion -- number of hos you can fit in your car ... hmm, in my two-seater that'd only be one and she'd have to sit on the wife's lap...which would most likely end badly. grin It's too bad GOOG doesn't seem to have a remote worker option... or FYI... I'll be at the Yahoo Open Hack Day (hackday.org) in the Bay Area next weekend. Anybody else going to be there? Nick? Or are you too white and nerdy? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7939447080926152362q=white +and+ nerdy -Timo -Original Message- From: Nick Lesiecki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:23 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Fwd: Potentially interesting Seattle Times story I think this is an appropriate time to mention that Google has an office in Phoenix, and if you want to be part of a team that wins a hojillion* dollar award, you should send me your resume. I've already helped one of the Tucson JUG'ers find employ at Google, and I hope to shepherd a few more into our Island of Snacks in Tempe. Cheers, Nick * Hojillion: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hojillion P.S. This is my one chance
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Which part was Beavis and which part was Butthead, for my reference only. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)866-9034 Cell:(518)378-6154 Fax:(702)974-0341 -Original Message- From: josh zeidner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:39 PM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo Thanks Chad. Your 'Beavis and Butthead' reference certainly helped to support your statement. -jmz --- Chad Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/21/06, josh zeidner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JUGs will likely degrade in relevance( a process already in effect ) Huh-Huh. Huh-Huh. He said jugs. Dunno about you, but jugs are still very high in relevance to me. Sorry, just doing my part to keep the quality of discussions on this group high... -- Chad __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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+1 Mike's reply. I hang out on this list despite being an ex-Tucsonan because I appreciate the diversity, spirit, and range of opinions expressed. The discussion is usually constructive, and almost always amusing. No changes necessary IMHO. Nick On Sep 21, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Art Gramlich wrote: Thanks for a sane reply. On Sep 21, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Michael Oliver wrote: Ok since any sort of frivolity is frowned upon by some, let's get serious. Call it govern themselves or sensorship or standards or regulations, etc. but the problem with that is who decides? If a discussion thread starts off on AJAX relative to Java and someone interjects some .NET code examples, is that off topic enough? Who decides? If someone is talking Apple Battery recalls and speaks of their Dell or an Airport travel problem, is that off topic or not Java enough to warrant expulsion? Who decides? If someone is just cranky and finds too much idle chatter clogging up their inbox and uses an obviously offensive sentence to illustrate a point, is that enough to sensor it? Who decides? If someone calls someone else a jackass but managed to veil it somewhat, is that enough? Who decides? Every list I am on has had some obnoxious person try to hijack the list for their own agenda and most times they get flamed enough to get pissed off and leave without having to bar them, which doesn't work BTW because a new email address is 30 seconds away. I think Warner is right on target, and I don't know of any degrading user that has needed to be banned or even heavily chastized, so if someone, including me gets too off topic to the point of degrading the list, somebody please just say so. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)866-9034 Cell:(518)378-6154 Fax:(702)974-0341 -Original Message- From: josh zeidner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:37 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo I guess its some kind of coincidence that I am noticing a high degree of informal commentary on UG lists lately. You do realize that this kind of thing reflects badly on customer and employer appeal? For instance, I could say some kind of offhand comment like they'll give a greencard to just about any slob who scraped up enough money to bribe the DOL!. Obviously, some may be deeply offended by such a statement. Although it is certainly the prerogative of a group to govern themselves the way they see fit, in the case of a JUG, there is the issue of the exploitation of the legitimacy that the JUG term provides. I'm wondering if there are any regulations that deal with this issue in the JCP or whether the JUG term is an entirely public-domain all-purpose term that can be utilized by any party. I would assume that if there are no such regulations then either 1) JUGs will likely degrade in relevance( a process already in effect ), 2) such regulations will be imposed in the future. The problems of such exploitation extend to all members of a local area. Thanks, Josh Zeidner --- Nick Lesiecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Tim and Jon: I nearly fell out of my freaking chair at White and Nerdy. To the rest of you: If you haven't seen it, it's a must see. Back to Tim: Even Google hasn't solved the problem of how to migrate all of your friends and relatives from your old address. Besides, this way I can spy on their new UI! FWIW: I couldn't survive without GMail for my work account. Only Gmail can handle the volume of internal mail I get. Back to the group: Oh, and anyone who's in the area for Hackday's welcome to come and visit the 'plex. Dunno what Yahoo has planned for HackDay, but I guarantee our cafe food is better on the average Tuesday than it is at Yahoo's special event. That's right. I went there. Nick On Sep 19, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote: Lol... am I the only one laughing that Nick sent this from his yahoo.com email? Hojillion -- number of hos you can fit in your car ... hmm, in my two-seater that'd only be one and she'd have to sit on the wife's lap...which would most likely end badly. grin It's too bad GOOG doesn't seem to have a remote worker option... or FYI... I'll be at the Yahoo Open Hack Day (hackday.org) in the Bay Area next weekend. Anybody else going to be there? Nick? Or are you too white and nerdy? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7939447080926152362q=white +and+ nerdy -Timo -Original Message- From: Nick Lesiecki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:23 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Fwd: Potentially interesting Seattle Times story I think this is an appropriate time to mention that Google has an office in Phoenix, and if you want to be part of a team that wins a hojillion* dollar
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What we all need is more people who take themselves too seriously. This group is what it is. I'm sure that most of us have worked together at some point and understand each others capacities and interests and I have seen some great and merited discussions on this list. I've also seen political statements from some but that goes with the territory. Part of what makes being a developer in this town fun is the cross pollination and varying interests and experiences of colleagues which is why I value the list and the people on it. I know in a heartbeat I could go to many of these listers with a question and get a good defended answer, and I appreciate that it keeps us talking even when Erik moves to Virginia or Nick to Cali. But the last thing we need is another special interest group that takes itself too seriously IMHO And I love Beavis and Butthead references but I prefer Family Guy (and in many ways I think that taste is pretty consistent across Java nerds). Back to cloaking a safe distance from Art. Jt On Sep 21, 2006, at 11:39 AM, josh zeidner wrote: Thanks Chad. Your 'Beavis and Butthead' reference certainly helped to support your statement. -jmz --- Chad Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/21/06, josh zeidner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JUGs will likely degrade in relevance( a process already in effect ) Huh-Huh. Huh-Huh. He said jugs. Dunno about you, but jugs are still very high in relevance to me. Sorry, just doing my part to keep the quality of discussions on this group high... -- Chad __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks, Jon. Your sentence fragment has been noted by the authorities. -jmz --- Jon Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i wish we could get an opinion out of this group On Sep 21, 2006, at 11:16 AM, josh zeidner wrote: Yes, very entertaining. Although the actual laws and guidelines that govern these issues remain to be seen( in this thread ), I do find that fostering an environment of informal discussion etc. provides an excellent cover for industry jackasses to effect the community in very negative ways. Back to the original question: Does Sun manage these problems? JCP? or the local community members? thanks, jmz --- Michael Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attention Attention, anyone reading this message without the intent of evaluating the javaness of it please disregard. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)866-9034 Cell:(518)378-6154 Fax:(702)974-0341 -Original Message- From: Art Gramlich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:49 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo Sorry Mr. Zeidner, informal developer-related commentary is indeed inappropriate content for a USERS GROUP. In fact, I have seen on this list that at certain JUG meetings, discussion on non-Java technologies have been discussed. Everyone needs to get back to working on corporate project #101 immediately. And make sure it's written in Java(tm). I'll go back to lurking again. Art On Sep 21, 2006, at 10:36 AM, josh zeidner wrote: I guess its some kind of coincidence that I am noticing a high degree of informal commentary on UG lists lately. You do realize that this kind of thing reflects badly on customer and employer appeal? For instance, I could say some kind of offhand comment like they'll give a greencard to just about any slob who scraped up enough money to bribe the DOL!. Obviously, some may be deeply offended by such a statement. Although it is certainly the prerogative of a group to govern themselves the way they see fit, in the case of a JUG, there is the issue of the exploitation of the legitimacy that the JUG term provides. I'm wondering if there are any regulations that deal with this issue in the JCP or whether the JUG term is an entirely public-domain all-purpose term that can be utilized by any party. I would assume that if there are no such regulations then either 1) JUGs will likely degrade in relevance( a process already in effect ), 2) such regulations will be imposed in the future. The problems of such exploitation extend to all members of a local area. Thanks, Josh Zeidner --- Nick Lesiecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Tim and Jon: I nearly fell out of my freaking chair at White and Nerdy. To the rest of you: If you haven't seen it, it's a must see. Back to Tim: Even Google hasn't solved the problem of how to migrate all of your friends and relatives from your old address. Besides, this way I can spy on their new UI! FWIW: I couldn't survive without GMail for my work account. Only Gmail can handle the volume of internal mail I get. Back to the group: Oh, and anyone who's in the area for Hackday's welcome to come and visit the 'plex. Dunno what Yahoo has planned for HackDay, but I guarantee our cafe food is better on the average Tuesday than it is at Yahoo's special event. That's right. I went there. Nick On Sep 19, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote: Lol... am I the only one laughing that Nick sent this from his yahoo.com email? Hojillion -- number of hos you can fit in your car ... hmm, in my two-seater that'd only be one and she'd have to sit on the wife's lap...which would most likely end badly. grin It's too bad GOOG doesn't seem to have a remote worker option... or FYI... I'll be at the Yahoo Open Hack Day (hackday.org) in the Bay Area next weekend. Anybody else going to be there? Nick? Or are you too white and nerdy? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7939447080926152362q=white +and+ nerdy === message truncated === __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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humorand by authorities do you mean the DOL or DOJ or JUGPD?/humor Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)866-9034 Cell:(518)378-6154 Fax:(702)974-0341 -Original Message- From: josh zeidner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:23 PM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo Thanks, Jon. Your sentence fragment has been noted by the authorities. -jmz --- Jon Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i wish we could get an opinion out of this group On Sep 21, 2006, at 11:16 AM, josh zeidner wrote: Yes, very entertaining. Although the actual laws and guidelines that govern these issues remain to be seen( in this thread ), I do find that fostering an environment of informal discussion etc. provides an excellent cover for industry jackasses to effect the community in very negative ways. Back to the original question: Does Sun manage these problems? JCP? or the local community members? thanks, jmz --- Michael Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attention Attention, anyone reading this message without the intent of evaluating the javaness of it please disregard. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)866-9034 Cell:(518)378-6154 Fax:(702)974-0341 -Original Message- From: Art Gramlich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:49 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo Sorry Mr. Zeidner, informal developer-related commentary is indeed inappropriate content for a USERS GROUP. In fact, I have seen on this list that at certain JUG meetings, discussion on non-Java technologies have been discussed. Everyone needs to get back to working on corporate project #101 immediately. And make sure it's written in Java(tm). I'll go back to lurking again. Art On Sep 21, 2006, at 10:36 AM, josh zeidner wrote: I guess its some kind of coincidence that I am noticing a high degree of informal commentary on UG lists lately. You do realize that this kind of thing reflects badly on customer and employer appeal? For instance, I could say some kind of offhand comment like they'll give a greencard to just about any slob who scraped up enough money to bribe the DOL!. Obviously, some may be deeply offended by such a statement. Although it is certainly the prerogative of a group to govern themselves the way they see fit, in the case of a JUG, there is the issue of the exploitation of the legitimacy that the JUG term provides. I'm wondering if there are any regulations that deal with this issue in the JCP or whether the JUG term is an entirely public-domain all-purpose term that can be utilized by any party. I would assume that if there are no such regulations then either 1) JUGs will likely degrade in relevance( a process already in effect ), 2) such regulations will be imposed in the future. The problems of such exploitation extend to all members of a local area. Thanks, Josh Zeidner --- Nick Lesiecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Tim and Jon: I nearly fell out of my freaking chair at White and Nerdy. To the rest of you: If you haven't seen it, it's a must see. Back to Tim: Even Google hasn't solved the problem of how to migrate all of your friends and relatives from your old address. Besides, this way I can spy on their new UI! FWIW: I couldn't survive without GMail for my work account. Only Gmail can handle the volume of internal mail I get. Back to the group: Oh, and anyone who's in the area for Hackday's welcome to come and visit the 'plex. Dunno what Yahoo has planned for HackDay, but I guarantee our cafe food is better on the average Tuesday than it is at Yahoo's special event. That's right. I went there. Nick On Sep 19, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote: Lol... am I the only one laughing that Nick sent this from his yahoo.com email? Hojillion -- number of hos you can fit in your car ... hmm, in my two-seater that'd only be one and she'd have to sit on the wife's lap...which would most likely end badly. grin It's too bad GOOG doesn't seem to have a remote worker option... or FYI... I'll be at the Yahoo Open Hack Day (hackday.org) in the Bay Area next weekend. Anybody else going to be there? Nick? Or are you too white and nerdy? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7939447080926152362q=white +and+ nerdy === message truncated === __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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Jon, I think all your statements are valid here. Remember, I was initially asking a question. I am certainly not looking to criticize the relationships between list members, but please keep in mind that having an official and functional resource for local Java developers makes everyones life a little bit easier, and contributes to all of our collective worth. This is the position that I am coming from. Sincerely, Josh Zeidner --- Jon Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What we all need is more people who take themselves too seriously. This group is what it is. I'm sure that most of us have worked together at some point and understand each others capacities and interests and I have seen some great and merited discussions on this list. I've also seen political statements from some but that goes with the territory. Part of what makes being a developer in this town fun is the cross pollination and varying interests and experiences of colleagues which is why I value the list and the people on it. I know in a heartbeat I could go to many of these listers with a question and get a good defended answer, and I appreciate that it keeps us talking even when Erik moves to Virginia or Nick to Cali. But the last thing we need is another special interest group that takes itself too seriously IMHO And I love Beavis and Butthead references but I prefer Family Guy (and in many ways I think that taste is pretty consistent across Java nerds). Back to cloaking a safe distance from Art. Jt On Sep 21, 2006, at 11:39 AM, josh zeidner wrote: Thanks Chad. Your 'Beavis and Butthead' reference certainly helped to support your statement. -jmz --- Chad Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/21/06, josh zeidner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JUGs will likely degrade in relevance( a process already in effect ) Huh-Huh. Huh-Huh. He said jugs. Dunno about you, but jugs are still very high in relevance to me. Sorry, just doing my part to keep the quality of discussions on this group high... -- Chad __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Actually, in one of the in-person meetings recently, I believe we officially decided to allow a wider-than-just-java focus for the group. We even took minutes, and I think there's a screenshot or notes somewhere on the confluence wiki. I'm don't have time to find it now, but it doesn't matter. Since that was the the consensus at the in-person meeting, I would think that applies to the lurkers and out-of-towners too. It's fine for the group to get off topic sometimes, and definitely OK to discuss non-java technical stuff. If anyone disagrees with this, please speak up now, since you didn't at the in-person meeting (or at least weren't in the majority who did, there may have been a dissenter or two). Personally, I don't even do much Java anymore, except hacking on open source tools I use to do my Ruby work. However, I still am a member of this group, though, AND still attend most of the in-person meetings, AND occasionally present to the 2-6 other people who show up, just because I like the people and diversity, occasional insightful post, and beer. -- Chad On 9/21/06, Michael Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok since any sort of frivolity is frowned upon by some, let's get serious. Call it govern themselves or sensorship or standards or regulations, etc. but the problem with that is who decides? If a discussion thread starts off on AJAX relative to Java and someone interjects some .NET code examples, is that off topic enough? Who decides? If someone is talking Apple Battery recalls and speaks of their Dell or an Airport travel problem, is that off topic or not Java enough to warrant expulsion? Who decides? If someone is just cranky and finds too much idle chatter clogging up their inbox and uses an obviously offensive sentence to illustrate a point, is that enough to sensor it? Who decides? If someone calls someone else a jackass but managed to veil it somewhat, is that enough? Who decides? Every list I am on has had some obnoxious person try to hijack the list for their own agenda and most times they get flamed enough to get pissed off and leave without having to bar them, which doesn't work BTW because a new email address is 30 seconds away. I think Warner is right on target, and I don't know of any degrading user that has needed to be banned or even heavily chastized, so if someone, including me gets too off topic to the point of degrading the list, somebody please just say so. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)866-9034 Cell:(518)378-6154 Fax:(702)974-0341 -Original Message- From: josh zeidner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:37 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo I guess its some kind of coincidence that I am noticing a high degree of informal commentary on UG lists lately. You do realize that this kind of thing reflects badly on customer and employer appeal? For instance, I could say some kind of offhand comment like they'll give a greencard to just about any slob who scraped up enough money to bribe the DOL!. Obviously, some may be deeply offended by such a statement. Although it is certainly the prerogative of a group to govern themselves the way they see fit, in the case of a JUG, there is the issue of the exploitation of the legitimacy that the JUG term provides. I'm wondering if there are any regulations that deal with this issue in the JCP or whether the JUG term is an entirely public-domain all-purpose term that can be utilized by any party. I would assume that if there are no such regulations then either 1) JUGs will likely degrade in relevance( a process already in effect ), 2) such regulations will be imposed in the future. The problems of such exploitation extend to all members of a local area. Thanks, Josh Zeidner --- Nick Lesiecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Tim and Jon: I nearly fell out of my freaking chair at White and Nerdy. To the rest of you: If you haven't seen it, it's a must see. Back to Tim: Even Google hasn't solved the problem of how to migrate all of your friends and relatives from your old address. Besides, this way I can spy on their new UI! FWIW: I couldn't survive without GMail for my work account. Only Gmail can handle the volume of internal mail I get. Back to the group: Oh, and anyone who's in the area for Hackday's welcome to come and visit the 'plex. Dunno what Yahoo has planned for HackDay, but I guarantee our cafe food is better on the average Tuesday than it is at Yahoo's special event. That's right. I went there. Nick On Sep 19, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote: Lol... am I the only one laughing that Nick sent this from his yahoo.com email? Hojillion -- number of hos you can fit in your car ... hmm, in my two-seater that'd only be one and she'd have to sit on the wife's lap...which would
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We're calling it Society 3.0 now. On Sep 21, 2006, at 1:19 PM, josh zeidner wrote: --- Michael Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok since any sort of frivolity is frowned upon by some, let's get serious. Call it govern themselves or sensorship or standards or regulations, etc. but the problem with that is who decides? If a discussion thread starts off on AJAX relative to Java and someone interjects some .NET code examples, is that off topic enough? Who decides? I might be completely off base here, but would THE LEADER OF THE GROUP DECIDE? If been running into more than one situation lately where the leaders of tech groups are playing 'the wizard behind the curtain' with the public. The leader decides what is valid and what is not. If anyone says something akin to 'this is Society 2.0' they are going on the idiot list. I am absolutely fed up with this drippy anarcho sophistry that has taken center stage in technology politics in the past few years. -jmz __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oh yea, gotcha, drippy anarcho sophistry being things like free speech. The most efficient kind of government is a dictatorship where the LEADER DECIDES. Call me drippy, I have been called much worse by much better, just today it's been rude and uncool and drippy is kind and gentle in comparison, so thanks for raising my status. Ollie -Original Message- From: josh zeidner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:19 PM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: RE: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo --- Michael Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok since any sort of frivolity is frowned upon by some, let's get serious. Call it govern themselves or sensorship or standards or regulations, etc. but the problem with that is who decides? If a discussion thread starts off on AJAX relative to Java and someone interjects some .NET code examples, is that off topic enough? Who decides? I might be completely off base here, but would THE LEADER OF THE GROUP DECIDE? If been running into more than one situation lately where the leaders of tech groups are playing 'the wizard behind the curtain' with the public. The leader decides what is valid and what is not. If anyone says something akin to 'this is Society 2.0' they are going on the idiot list. I am absolutely fed up with this drippy anarcho sophistry that has taken center stage in technology politics in the past few years. -jmz __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks I will make a note of that in my drippy journal. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)866-9034 Cell:(518)378-6154 Fax:(702)974-0341 -Original Message- From: Chad Woolley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:00 PM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo That would be Butthead. Beavis would have replied: hehe. hehe. Jugs RULE! On 9/21/06, Michael Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which part was Beavis and which part was Butthead, for my reference only. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I can see it now a new book deal. The rise and fall of the 3rd Society by Art Gramlich and preface by drippy. Soon to be indexed by Google and Yahoo (to remain on topic). Ollie, aka drippy. Sorry Timo I know you tried to close this thread already. -Original Message- From: Art Gramlich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:22 PM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Google and Yahoo We're calling it Society 3.0 now. On Sep 21, 2006, at 1:19 PM, josh zeidner wrote: --- Michael Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok since any sort of frivolity is frowned upon by some, let's get serious. Call it govern themselves or sensorship or standards or regulations, etc. but the problem with that is who decides? If a discussion thread starts off on AJAX relative to Java and someone interjects some .NET code examples, is that off topic enough? Who decides? I might be completely off base here, but would THE LEADER OF THE GROUP DECIDE? If been running into more than one situation lately where the leaders of tech groups are playing 'the wizard behind the curtain' with the public. The leader decides what is valid and what is not. If anyone says something akin to 'this is Society 2.0' they are going on the idiot list. I am absolutely fed up with this drippy anarcho sophistry that has taken center stage in technology politics in the past few years. -jmz __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 01:19 PM 9/21/2006, you wrote: --- Michael Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok since any sort of frivolity is frowned upon by some, let's get serious. Call it govern themselves or sensorship or standards or regulations, etc. but the problem with that is who decides? If a discussion thread starts off on AJAX relative to Java and someone interjects some .NET code examples, is that off topic enough? Who decides? I might be completely off base here, but would THE LEADER OF THE GROUP DECIDE? If been running into more than one situation lately where the leaders of tech groups are playing 'the wizard behind the curtain' with the public. The leader decides what is valid and what is not. I'm sorry to hear that. If anyone says something akin to 'this is Society 2.0' they are going on the idiot list. I am absolutely fed up with this drippy anarcho sophistry that has taken center stage in technology politics in the past few years. I don't agree with your labeling. It's not anarchy that's at play here: it's egalitarianism and (relatively) free-speech tempered by mutual respect and professionalism. Warner has already stated very well the general guidelines for the TJUG groups and I think most of us agree with him on this. Given that, I'm finding this thread is getting boring. regards, -tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To Tim and Jon: I nearly fell out of my freaking chair at White and Nerdy. To the rest of you: If you haven't seen it, it's a must see. Back to Tim: Even Google hasn't solved the problem of how to migrate all of your friends and relatives from your old address. Besides, this way I can spy on their new UI! FWIW: I couldn't survive without GMail for my work account. Only Gmail can handle the volume of internal mail I get. Back to the group: Oh, and anyone who's in the area for Hackday's welcome to come and visit the 'plex. Dunno what Yahoo has planned for HackDay, but I guarantee our cafe food is better on the average Tuesday than it is at Yahoo's special event. That's right. I went there. Nick On Sep 19, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote: Lol... am I the only one laughing that Nick sent this from his yahoo.com email? Hojillion -- number of hos you can fit in your car ... hmm, in my two-seater that'd only be one and she'd have to sit on the wife's lap...which would most likely end badly. grin It's too bad GOOG doesn't seem to have a remote worker option... or FYI... I'll be at the Yahoo Open Hack Day (hackday.org) in the Bay Area next weekend. Anybody else going to be there? Nick? Or are you too white and nerdy? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7939447080926152362q=white +and+ nerdy -Timo -Original Message- From: Nick Lesiecki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:23 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Fwd: Potentially interesting Seattle Times story I think this is an appropriate time to mention that Google has an office in Phoenix, and if you want to be part of a team that wins a hojillion* dollar award, you should send me your resume. I've already helped one of the Tucson JUG'ers find employ at Google, and I hope to shepherd a few more into our Island of Snacks in Tempe. Cheers, Nick * Hojillion: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hojillion P.S. This is my one chance for famous name dropping: I was in a meeting w/ Guido Van Rossum yesterday. WOot! P.P.S. Despite the tone of this email, I am serious. Send me your resume. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 9/20/06, Nick Lesiecki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and anyone who's in the area for Hackday's welcome to come and visit the 'plex. Dunno what Yahoo has planned for HackDay, but I guarantee our cafe food is better on the average Tuesday than it is at Yahoo's special event. He's right. The quantity and quality of food at google would ALMOST justify the 500% cost of living increase to relocate to Silicon Valley, or to relocate to the vast suburban hellhole that is called Phoenix. Almost, but not quite... -- Chad - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Nick, Are we really supposed to believe that a new gmail account can't subscribe to the Tjug mailing list?. that's some strong koolaid they are serving in the cafe :p -Todd *** Todd R. Ellermann President PHXJUG.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] 602-738-6187 cell *** Does getting an ASU MBA with existing UofA BSCE make me a SunCat? or a WildDevil? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Alright alright, you got me! I'm LAZY. :) Nick On Sep 20, 2006, at 1:58 PM, Todd Ellermann wrote: Nick, Are we really supposed to believe that a new gmail account can't subscribe to the Tjug mailing list?. that's some strong koolaid they are serving in the cafe :p -Todd *** Todd R. Ellermann President PHXJUG.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] 602-738-6187 cell *** Does getting an ASU MBA with existing UofA BSCE make me a SunCat? or a WildDevil? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lol... am I the only one laughing that Nick sent this from his yahoo.com email? Hojillion -- number of hos you can fit in your car ... hmm, in my two-seater that'd only be one and she'd have to sit on the wife's lap...which would most likely end badly. grin It's too bad GOOG doesn't seem to have a remote worker option... or FYI... I'll be at the Yahoo Open Hack Day (hackday.org) in the Bay Area next weekend. Anybody else going to be there? Nick? Or are you too white and nerdy? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7939447080926152362q=white+and+ nerdy -Timo -Original Message- From: Nick Lesiecki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:23 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] OT: Fwd: Potentially interesting Seattle Times story I think this is an appropriate time to mention that Google has an office in Phoenix, and if you want to be part of a team that wins a hojillion* dollar award, you should send me your resume. I've already helped one of the Tucson JUG'ers find employ at Google, and I hope to shepherd a few more into our Island of Snacks in Tempe. Cheers, Nick * Hojillion: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hojillion P.S. This is my one chance for famous name dropping: I was in a meeting w/ Guido Van Rossum yesterday. WOot! P.P.S. Despite the tone of this email, I am serious. Send me your resume. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
