Re: [jug-discussion] Mac Java Performance
Yes, but Drew, you are an outlying data point when it comes to screen size. What size did you get yours down to? 8000x8000 on a 17 inch monitor? On 9/23/05, Drew Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I use WebObjects (both 4.5.1 and 5.3).Of course I work for Appleso that makes me a bit biased :-) On the slow Java front, however, I have here at home (1) dual 800MHzG4 (1G RAM) with Jaguar,(2) dual 2GHz G5 (1G RAM) with Tiger, (3)1.5GHz PowerBook 15 (512MB RAM) with Tiger and (4) 3GHz Dell Inspiron 9100 (1G RAM) with WinXP Pro. For development I've found that Eclipseperforms better on my Win box than on my Macs, but not grossly so.Theonly reason I use Eclipse on Windows is because I can't change the fonts on my Mac to be small enough to suit me.Many of my co-workers useEclipse on the Mac and they are very productive.There are WOintegration tools (WOLips) that make WO development much easier.I evenuse Eclipse to work on Objective-C code. Just another data point.- Drew--+-+ Drew Davidson | OGNL Technology +-+|Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/|Web: http://www.ognl.org /|Vox: (520) 531-1966 |Fax: (520) 531-1965\| Mobile: (520) 405-2967 \+-+ josh zeidner wrote:I tend to agree on most things with the Mac + Java +Unix crowd.Mac is pretty nice overall... and you geta pretty nice machine for your money.It may happen that Mac does become an important platform, and Iwould be happy if it did.Anyone here use WebObjects?-To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Drew?! 8000 x 8000? Surely you jest!When I last saw him, Drew was investigating dye-pumped variable spectrum lasers capable of beaming 2^24 pixels directly onto the surface of his retina. Legend has it that he can see the entire source code for Java (and the JVM) at once. But then again, no one would knowSeriously though, the Mac's lack of font size adjustment is a pain. My wife is nearsighted and had to give up my handmedown 17 inch pbook because it hurt her eyes too much.NickOn Sep 23, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Eric Biesterfeld wrote:Yes, but Drew, you are an outlying data point when it comes to screen size. What size did you get yours down to? 8000x8000 on a 17 inch monitor? On 9/23/05, Drew Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I use WebObjects (both 4.5.1 and 5.3). Of course I work for Appleso that makes me a bit biased :-) On the "slow Java" front, however, I have here at home (1) dual 800MHzG4 (1G RAM) with Jaguar, (2) dual 2GHz G5 (1G RAM) with Tiger, (3)1.5GHz PowerBook 15" (512MB RAM) with Tiger and (4) 3GHz Dell Inspiron 9100 (1G RAM) with WinXP Pro. For development I've found that Eclipseperforms better on my Win box than on my Macs, but not grossly so. Theonly reason I use Eclipse on Windows is because I can't change the fonts on my Mac to be small enough to suit me. Many of my co-workers useEclipse on the Mac and they are very productive. There are WOintegration tools (WOLips) that make WO development much easier. I evenuse Eclipse to work on Objective-C code. Just another data point.- Drew--+-+ Drew Davidson | OGNL Technology +-+| Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /|Web: http://www.ognl.org /|Vox: (520) 531-1966 |Fax: (520) 531-1965\| Mobile: (520) 405-2967 \+-+ josh zeidner wrote: I tend to agree on most things with the Mac + Java +Unix crowd. Mac is pretty nice overall... and you geta pretty nice machine for your money. It may happen that Mac does become an important platform, and Iwould be happy if it did. Anyone here use WebObjects?-To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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He may be capable of such, but STC is a bunch of cheap bastids. :) --Eric (Bitter... finally brought in a 19 LCD screen and video card so I could dual monitor. I'm much better now. :)
Re: [jug-discussion] Mac Java Performance
Yes, Hello. My name is Saurabh Mittal. I'm working as a Research Engineer in Arizona Center of Modeling and Simulation, UofA. This is my first post to the group. Greetings to all the jug members. I have Tiger, 1GB RAM on my 15 1.5GHz Powerbook. Eclipse is slow. Try JBuilder. It is one IDE built totally in java. Helps in speeding but certainly it will be slow as compared to windows !! Going back to Thinkpad makes sense. Kindly let us know if anybody has any good means to increase the speed. Thanks, Saurabh Mittal --- Landon Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if this is off-topic, but I noticed that there appears to be some Mac users on this list. I recently purchased a 15 powerbook 1.67Ghz machine and for Java development... well, to be honest... it is sub-optimal. It appears that the JDK is just plain slow! On a project that I am working on, running the core unit tests on a 2 yr old thinkpad takes less than 1 min, on the brand new mac it takes over 2 minutes. Eclipse is equally slow compared to windows for me. The incremental rebuild of eclipse takes so long on my mac that I have gone back to using my Thinkpad for development. Here is what I have tried to improve performance: 1.Disable Spotlight on my dev folders. 2.Add memory (I have 1.5 GB on the mac, 1 GB on the thinkpad). 3.Tried the latest 1.5 version of the Apple JDK. So here are my questions: Are other people finding Eclipse / JDK slow on the Mac? Did tiger slow down the performance of Java (Tiger is a nice OS, but I think that I would have really liked Jaguar more. I find myself constantly on the verge of permanently disabling Spotlight and Dashboard Widgets haven't jumped out at me as necessary for the way I work.)? I am thinking that I might have to go back to my old laptop :( Thanks, Landon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Mac Java Performance
Hi Landon, I have some experience using Java and Eclipse on the Mac. I had similar experiences, Java is certainly slower on the Mac than on Windows. Apple is to some degree responsible for the development of the Mac JDK and they promote Java objects to 'first class citizens'. They are typically a few paces behind the windows version. The media libraries do work fairly well though I might add. If you are working with Imaging in Java I can certainly provide a lot of info. I am curious as to why you chose the Mac as your platform... The last few run-ins I had with the Mac were 1) a company that was receiving funding directly from Apple, 2) a small company whos owner was so absolutely fed up with Windows he was willing to try anything to get out, 3) my IPod. Macs are great but the user share is very small. They are virtually unused outside of America. Eastern European developers I work with have never even seen one... -josh --- Landon Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if this is off-topic, but I noticed that there appears to be some Mac users on this list. I recently purchased a 15 powerbook 1.67Ghz machine and for Java development... well, to be honest... it is sub-optimal. It appears that the JDK is just plain slow! On a project that I am working on, running the core unit tests on a 2 yr old thinkpad takes less than 1 min, on the brand new mac it takes over 2 minutes. Eclipse is equally slow compared to windows for me. The incremental rebuild of eclipse takes so long on my mac that I have gone back to using my Thinkpad for development. Here is what I have tried to improve performance: 1.Disable Spotlight on my dev folders. 2.Add memory (I have 1.5 GB on the mac, 1 GB on the thinkpad). 3.Tried the latest 1.5 version of the Apple JDK. So here are my questions: Are other people finding Eclipse / JDK slow on the Mac? Did tiger slow down the performance of Java (Tiger is a nice OS, but I think that I would have really liked Jaguar more. I find myself constantly on the verge of permanently disabling Spotlight and Dashboard Widgets haven't jumped out at me as necessary for the way I work.)? I am thinking that I might have to go back to my old laptop :( Thanks, Landon __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] Mac Java Performance
Hi Josh, I chose Mac because I was pretty fed up with my Thinkpad and the need to reinstall windows on it on a 6 month to yearly basis (the time is right about now that a good reinstall would do it some good). Over time, it has degraded to the point where it takes 5 minutes for me to have workable network connection from a fresh reboot. I liked the idea of mac over say linux because of the strong MS-Office support and linux never ran properly on my thinkpad (properly == with full wireless support). Also, the claim that Java was a first class citizen was very enticing. Also, I was dabbling with integrating some UNIX tools into a platform that we are building. GCC being the native compiler was attractive. Despite the Java (and Flash / Flex) performance issues on Mac, it is a very, very nice machine. There are things I LOVE about it, things I tolerate about it, and things I hate. I would say the same thing about Windows and Linux also, I suppose. Not great reasons, but who doesn't want to see if the grass really is greener? Landon -Original Message- From: josh zeidner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:14 PM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] Mac Java Performance Hi Landon, I have some experience using Java and Eclipse on the Mac. I had similar experiences, Java is certainly slower on the Mac than on Windows. Apple is to some degree responsible for the development of the Mac JDK and they promote Java objects to 'first class citizens'. They are typically a few paces behind the windows version. The media libraries do work fairly well though I might add. If you are working with Imaging in Java I can certainly provide a lot of info. I am curious as to why you chose the Mac as your platform... The last few run-ins I had with the Mac were 1) a company that was receiving funding directly from Apple, 2) a small company whos owner was so absolutely fed up with Windows he was willing to try anything to get out, 3) my IPod. Macs are great but the user share is very small. They are virtually unused outside of America. Eastern European developers I work with have never even seen one... -josh --- Landon Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if this is off-topic, but I noticed that there appears to be some Mac users on this list. I recently purchased a 15 powerbook 1.67Ghz machine and for Java development... well, to be honest... it is sub-optimal. It appears that the JDK is just plain slow! On a project that I am working on, running the core unit tests on a 2 yr old thinkpad takes less than 1 min, on the brand new mac it takes over 2 minutes. Eclipse is equally slow compared to windows for me. The incremental rebuild of eclipse takes so long on my mac that I have gone back to using my Thinkpad for development. Here is what I have tried to improve performance: 1.Disable Spotlight on my dev folders. 2.Add memory (I have 1.5 GB on the mac, 1 GB on the thinkpad). 3.Tried the latest 1.5 version of the Apple JDK. So here are my questions: Are other people finding Eclipse / JDK slow on the Mac? Did tiger slow down the performance of Java (Tiger is a nice OS, but I think that I would have really liked Jaguar more. I find myself constantly on the verge of permanently disabling Spotlight and Dashboard Widgets haven't jumped out at me as necessary for the way I work.)? I am thinking that I might have to go back to my old laptop :( Thanks, Landon __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] Mac Java Performance
--- Landon Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Josh, I chose Mac because I was pretty fed up with my Thinkpad and the need to reinstall windows on it on a 6 month to yearly basis (the time is right about now that a good reinstall would do it some good). Over time, it has degraded to the point where it takes 5 minutes for me to have workable network connection from a fresh reboot. yes Ive worked with the thinkpad... I liked the idea of mac over say linux because of the strong MS-Office support and linux never ran properly on my thinkpad (properly == with full wireless support). that was a very standard problem( are you using the T40? ), I had the same issue. again, its doctoring the standards. Wifi was one of those technologies that was developed by a government funded organization. And the so called industry 'innovators' actually made it more difficult to use, because they exploited ambiguities in the specification to lock users into their own hardware/software( this story is kind of like that italian hero that you ate for lunch that you keep tasting for days afterward ). So Wifi exists as a problematic technology, because it was defined by a body that does not really have the financial power to enforce and qualify its specification. Technology is more about politics than technology. Again to reiterate some of the points made on Azipa... most things that are truly innovative, as in enable competition, provide a use-value or however you want to phrase it, rarely come out of a high-competition environment. Also, the claim that Java was a first class citizen was very enticing. Also, I was dabbling with integrating some UNIX tools into a platform that we are building. GCC being the native compiler was attractive. Despite the Java (and Flash / Flex) performance issues on Mac, it is a very, very nice machine. There are things I LOVE about it, things I tolerate about it, and things I hate. I would say the same thing about Windows and Linux also, I suppose. There are certainly short and long term advantages to either of them. So you are using Java for what exactly? -josh Not great reasons, but who doesn't want to see if the grass really is greener? Landon -Original Message- From: josh zeidner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:14 PM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] Mac Java Performance Hi Landon, I have some experience using Java and Eclipse on the Mac. I had similar experiences, Java is certainly slower on the Mac than on Windows. Apple is to some degree responsible for the development of the Mac JDK and they promote Java objects to 'first class citizens'. They are typically a few paces behind the windows version. The media libraries do work fairly well though I might add. If you are working with Imaging in Java I can certainly provide a lot of info. I am curious as to why you chose the Mac as your platform... The last few run-ins I had with the Mac were 1) a company that was receiving funding directly from Apple, 2) a small company whos owner was so absolutely fed up with Windows he was willing to try anything to get out, 3) my IPod. Macs are great but the user share is very small. They are virtually unused outside of America. Eastern European developers I work with have never even seen one... -josh --- Landon Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if this is off-topic, but I noticed that there appears to be some Mac users on this list. I recently purchased a 15 powerbook 1.67Ghz machine and for Java development... well, to be honest... it is sub-optimal. It appears that the JDK is just plain slow! On a project that I am working on, running the core unit tests on a 2 yr old thinkpad takes less than 1 min, on the brand new mac it takes over 2 minutes. Eclipse is equally slow compared to windows for me. The incremental rebuild of eclipse takes so long on my mac that I have gone back to using my Thinkpad for development. Here is what I have tried to improve performance: 1. Disable Spotlight on my dev folders. 2. Add memory (I have 1.5 GB on the mac, 1 GB on the thinkpad). 3. Tried the latest 1.5 version of the Apple JDK. So here are my questions: Are other people finding Eclipse / JDK slow on the Mac? Did tiger slow down the performance of Java (Tiger is a nice OS, but I think that I would have really liked Jaguar more. I find myself constantly on the verge of permanently disabling Spotlight and Dashboard Widgets haven't jumped out at me as necessary for the way I work.)? I am thinking that I might have to go back to my old laptop :( Thanks, Landon __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
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I almost sent the same email, Western Europe is very mac friendly. And FWIW I wrote my whole book using Eclipse on the mac (iBook G3 800, pBook G4 1.25 pBook G4 1.5). In my opinion the mac is just a far more elegant and dependable machine and platform. If after using a mac you still have to ask why you'd want to then it is probably not for you. There are great PCs out there that will do a great job. I make my living on a dell, but my heart belongs to my mac. Anyone else have an iSight camera? I got one this week and my life has changed again. :-) Jt PS: Macmails MessageBounce feature is worth the price of admission in and of itself. But I agree, I am leery of the 'niftiness' of widgets. Try doing a 'top' while Wow server status widget is running for example. On Sep 22, 2005, at 3:47 PM, Todd Ellermann wrote: Your kidding yourself if you think Mac's are a U.S. centric thing. Try western europe a bit. Actually found Mac's in many coffee shops when I was in Brussels and Nice. Been a few years now, but I don't think uncle Bill is that much more popular in europe. -Todd Todd R. Ellermann President PHXJUG.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] 602-738-6187 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's not that Java is slow on the Mac, the *Mac* is slow. There's a reason Apple's *mainstream* PowerMac's are dual-CPU G5s, and that same reason has to do with why they're switching to Intel. Still, I have a nice new Dell laptop, and a nice new PB G4 1.67GHz, and I always travel with the latter. The attention to detail (backlit keyboard, anyone?), ease-of-use, and Unix configurability are top-notch. And yeah, don't enable Dashboard. You'll get some nice JS code pinning your CPU all over the place. IDEA runs tolerably, but when I bill by the hour, I use my PC just because I'm so much more productive. Up until the recent version of IDEA, many hotkeys just didn't work. Very frustrating, as on the PC I don't touch the mouse for long periods. Once you have an Intel Mac, I'd be very surprised if it ran much slower; the Apple guys have access to Sun's code and much of their JRE is Sun code -- I assume they'll be on top of the Sun x86 codebase for the Intel JVM. Ben On Sep 22, 2005, at 6:54 PM, Jt wrote: I almost sent the same email, Western Europe is very mac friendly. And FWIW I wrote my whole book using Eclipse on the mac (iBook G3 800, pBook G4 1.25 pBook G4 1.5). In my opinion the mac is just a far more elegant and dependable machine and platform. If after using a mac you still have to ask why you'd want to then it is probably not for you. There are great PCs out there that will do a great job. I make my living on a dell, but my heart belongs to my mac. Anyone else have an iSight camera? I got one this week and my life has changed again. :-) Jt PS: Macmails MessageBounce feature is worth the price of admission in and of itself. But I agree, I am leery of the 'niftiness' of widgets. Try doing a 'top' while Wow server status widget is running for example. On Sep 22, 2005, at 3:47 PM, Todd Ellermann wrote: Your kidding yourself if you think Mac's are a U.S. centric thing. Try western europe a bit. Actually found Mac's in many coffee shops when I was in Brussels and Nice. Been a few years now, but I don't think uncle Bill is that much more popular in europe. -Todd Todd R. Ellermann President PHXJUG.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] 602-738-6187 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hey Todd, I said Eastern Europe. France and Belgium, as usual is the exception as their politics tends to favor whatever is not dominant in the US. They have been the Mac outpost possibly since the 80s. There is some in UK, Sweden and few others. Very little in Germany- they are very linux/java friendly with SuSE( now Novell ). Anything east of there they are rarely found outside of maybe Greece or Israel. It comes down to dollars and cents- they can't afford the things. Overall, most macs live in the US. I like to chat with foreign developers and I find that in Eastern Europe, Java is extremely popular for developers and for some odd reason the Sun EJB server is popular( Ukraine and Russia ) and I have yet to see it used in the US, also JBoss and Apache tech is very well utilized. In India you have a situation where internal competition is getting higher and groups are certainly looking towards open source for cheaper solutions( see Daffodil DB ). Macs are also rarely found there. I currently work with an Indian group and they are very happy to be using an Open source CRM solution. Europe typically uses a combo of Windows and Linux for biz apps. They begrudgingly use Windows. MSFT is extremely belligerent in their business tactics with European companies, and many of the large ones have just been bludgeoned into submission. MSFT has recently been under scrutiny of the European Commission for anti-competitive practices. They will possibly be fined yet again. They refuse to cooperate with the ECs demands to separate their media player from the rest of the OS. The MSFT software patent lobby utterly failed in their purpose to fortify EU patent law. The synopsis is: EU says MSoft go home! Us lucky americans get MSFT all to ourselves. -josh --- Todd Ellermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your kidding yourself if you think Mac's are a U.S. centric thing. Try western europe a bit. Actually found Mac's in many coffee shops when I was in Brussels and Nice. Been a few years now, but I don't think uncle Bill is that much more popular in europe. -Todd Todd R. Ellermann President PHXJUG.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] 602-738-6187 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A general response to the why Mac with so few users remark. I think a lot of people are starting to take a serious look at the Mac platform now that OS X is getting more mature. I've been living in a PCWindows-PCLinux-Solaris world for many years and it has driven me starkers. I just recently purchased a 20 G5 iMac to play with at home and see whether it's ready for use at work, and I've about convinced myself that it is. I'm still on Panther but plan to jump to Tiger (and disable Spotlight and pull all widgets) in the near future. I think you'll be seeing more developers and power-users moving to the Mac platform, particularly with the upcoming jump to Intel processors. I have seen complaints here and there on the web regarding poor Java performance on OS X, but I've not cared enough to look closely. You might try googling OS X Java performance and see what you get. Jim *-*---* | Jim Secan | Northwest Research Assoc, Inc | | ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | 2455 E. Speedway, Suite 204 | | (520) 319-7773 | Tucson, Arizona 85719 | |Space Weather Info: http://www.nwra-az.com/ | *-*---* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But everyone's been forgetting the best reason to use the Mac: Quicksilver http://vjarmy.com/archives/2004/03/quicksilver_a_b.php (the tutorial explains it better than I can.) I keep my G4 laptop on my desk next to my Linux box. I use the G4 for everything except development. It is a joy. Compared to OS X, RedHat + KDE seems balky, uncoordinated, and rough-hewn. And I don't have nearly the productivity at tasks like email, web searching, outlining, drawing, etc. I can't wait for the superior performance of the Intel Mac. Nick P.S. I wrote a blog posting today about why I hate Linux: --- I HATE LINUX, by Nick Here is an email thread that I found when looking at how to make my new mouse stop rocketing around the screen like a goddamn jack russel terrier on speed: My mouse was far too sensitive when I started. (By any chance did you switch to a Evoluent Vertical Mouse 2?) My problem turned out to be that all my mouse input was being read twice in XF86Config. (Once by Mouse0 and another time by DevInputMouse) This resulted in my cursor moving twice as far as it would normally whenever I moved it. One fix (assuming this is your problem) is to comment out the DevInputMouse line in the SeverLayout section of XF86Config. Now mine looks like this: Section ServerLayout Identifier AGPTwinView Screen Monitor InputDevice Keyboard0 CoreKeyboard InputDevice Mouse0 CorePointer #InputDeviceDevInputMice AlwaysCore Option blank time5 Option standby time 10 Option suspend time 15 Option off time 20 EndSection Hope that helps, Andy NB: This makes as much sense to me, a trained programmer as it does to you, the non techie. [This post was written for a non-tech audience.] What the fuck is wrong with this OS? Why does modifying your fucking mouse settings have to be such a complicated fucking disaster? --- On Sep 22, 2005, at 4:42 PM, Jim Secan wrote: A general response to the why Mac with so few users remark. I think a lot of people are starting to take a serious look at the Mac platform now that OS X is getting more mature. I've been living in a PCWindows-PCLinux-Solaris world for many years and it has driven me starkers. I just recently purchased a 20 G5 iMac to play with at home and see whether it's ready for use at work, and I've about convinced myself that it is. I'm still on Panther but plan to jump to Tiger (and disable Spotlight and pull all widgets) in the near future. I think you'll be seeing more developers and power-users moving to the Mac platform, particularly with the upcoming jump to Intel processors. I have seen complaints here and there on the web regarding poor Java performance on OS X, but I've not cared enough to look closely. You might try googling OS X Java performance and see what you get. Jim *-*---* | Jim Secan | Northwest Research Assoc, Inc | | ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | 2455 E. Speedway, Suite 204 | | (520) 319-7773 | Tucson, Arizona 85719 | |Space Weather Info: http://www.nwra-az.com/ | *-*---* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A lot of general config issues were solved in Fedora. Of course the hard core slashdotters have repudiated this distribution in favor of more nutty varieties like Gentoo or Debian. Fact is, writing mouse config scripts is not exactly the most glamorous thing in the world. The thing just installs itself with no problems in typical setups. Its pretty nice, nice graphics etc. And if you want to really deck it out, it is linux after all so go have your fun. RPMs can get a little obnoxious sometimes, granted. Most of MS outsiders such as myself appreciate Red Hat and the fact that people are making money on Linux. L. Torvalds recently tried to trademark the word 'Linux' and this was met with some serious backlash amongst powerful nerds worldwide. This certainly shows an important progression happening. What the moderates are interested in is a general reform of our concept of intellectual property and are trying to prototype situations where work is generally easier and less costly. I want the right people to get payed after all, and I think that is the general idea. Secondly, I want to be able to use cheap foreign labor without it upsetting natural domestic costs scales. The fact is that if there were a consensus as to higher level standards, then most low level programming tasks would no longer be a problem. This puts lots of people out of business naturally, but also opens up a lot more possibilities for the market in general. But generally I believe that nothing serious is going to happen until some third party steps in and breaks up the ruckus. Because until someone or something stops the constant backstabbing, this evolution is not going to take place. IBM is premier org that is pushing for Linux + Java primarily because it bypasses you know who. It shows you what a problem they have become. -jmz --- I HATE LINUX, by Nick Here is an email thread that I found when looking at how to make my new mouse stop rocketing around the screen like a goddamn jack russel terrier on speed: My mouse was far too sensitive when I started. (By any chance did you switch to a Evoluent Vertical Mouse 2?) My problem turned out to be that all my mouse input was being read twice in XF86Config. (Once by Mouse0 and another time by DevInputMouse) This resulted in my cursor moving twice as far as it would normally whenever I moved it. One fix (assuming this is your problem) is to comment out the DevInputMouse line in the SeverLayout section of XF86Config. Now mine looks like this: Section ServerLayout Identifier AGPTwinView Screen Monitor InputDevice Keyboard0 CoreKeyboard InputDevice Mouse0 CorePointer #InputDeviceDevInputMice AlwaysCore Option blank time5 Option standby time 10 Option suspend time 15 Option off time 20 EndSection Hope that helps, Andy NB: This makes as much sense to me, a trained programmer as it does to you, the non techie. [This post was written for a non-tech audience.] What the fuck is wrong with this OS? Why does modifying your fucking mouse settings have to be such a complicated fucking disaster? --- On Sep 22, 2005, at 4:42 PM, Jim Secan wrote: A general response to the why Mac with so few users remark. I think a lot of people are starting to take a serious look at the Mac platform now that OS X is getting more mature. I've been living in a PCWindows-PCLinux-Solaris world for many years and it has driven me starkers. I just recently purchased a 20 G5 iMac to play with at home and see whether it's ready for use at work, and I've about convinced myself that it is. I'm still on Panther but plan to jump to Tiger (and disable Spotlight and pull all widgets) in the near future. I think you'll be seeing more developers and power-users moving to the Mac platform, particularly with the upcoming jump to Intel processors. I have seen complaints here and there on the web regarding poor Java performance on OS X, but I've not cared enough to look closely. You might try googling OS X Java performance and see what you get. Jim *-*---* | Jim Secan | Northwest Research Assoc, Inc | | ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | 2455 E. Speedway, Suite 204 | | (520) 319-7773 | Tucson, Arizona 85719 | |Space Weather Info: http://www.nwra-az.com/ | *-*---* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL
