Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-17 Thread Andrey Kostin
Your 960 will be choked if you are going to push a decent traffic volume through it. And circulation through backplane to and from service cards will only make it worse. Just imho. Your choice. Kind regards, Andrey Kostin Aaron Gould писал 2020-03-09 09:18: In my case, 960 has a lot of

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-09 Thread Aaron Gould
Just fyi, I'm running evpn-mpls between a couple dc's and ms-mpc-128g for my cable modem communities all in the same mx960 chassis's... been good so far. -Aaron ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-09 Thread Aaron Gould
-Original Message- From: juniper-nsp [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Chris Kawchuk Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:33 PM To: Tom Beecher Cc: juniper-nsp Subject: Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K Just to chime in --- for scale-out, wouldn't you be better offloading those MS-MPC

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-06 Thread Andrey Kostin
I'd be +1 for this. For DC GW the main concern should be reliability and simplicity. If you are going to bring EVPN there, then having fancy services mixed on the same chassis may affect your uptime. Also I'd take MX480 instead of 960 because of architecture compromises of the latter. I'm also

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-05 Thread Mark Tinka
On 5/Mar/20 18:29, Saku Ytti wrote: > > If you do it on d) it's done the NPU where the neighbour is, entirely > on the NPU. Not yet available for IPv6. Which reminds me - let me see where Juniper are with this ER. Mark. ___ juniper-nsp mailing

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-05 Thread Alexander Arseniev via juniper-nsp
actually not the PFE as "forwarding chip" but "PFE" as short way of saying "linecard CPU that runs PPMD" which processes BFD packets from all linecards. Thanks Alex -- Original Message -- From: "Saku Ytti" To: "Alexander Arseniev" Cc: "Ju

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-05 Thread Saku Ytti
On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 18:05, Alexander Arseniev wrote: > I would expect the "IPSEC anchor PFE", just like it is done with BFD et > al a.t.m. > That anchor PFE maintains IKE exchange sequences/anti-replay etc and any > IKE/IPSec packet arriving on a different PFE would be redirected there. >

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-05 Thread Alexander Arseniev via juniper-nsp
--- Begin Message --- -- Original Message -- From: "Saku Ytti" IPSEC isn't stateful in any meaningful way If you can implement MACSec it shouldn't take much more transistors to do IPSEC. I always thought maintaining anti-replay counters/IKEv exchange sequences etc is a stateful

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Saku Ytti
On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 05:52, Chris Kawchuk wrote: > Only question is if it needs stateful-ness or not (IPSEC, CGNAT etc...), but > only the OP can answer that. IPSEC isn't stateful in any meaningful way If you can implement MACSec it shouldn't take much more transistors to do IPSEC. Indeed

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Chris Kawchuk
Only question is if it needs stateful-ness or not (IPSEC, CGNAT etc...), but only the OP can answer that. - CK. > On 5 Mar 2020, at 2:39 pm, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 5/Mar/20 05:32, Chris Kawchuk wrote: > >> Just to chime in --- for scale-out, wouldn't you be better offloading those

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Mark Tinka
On 5/Mar/20 05:32, Chris Kawchuk wrote: > Just to chime in --- for scale-out, wouldn't you be better offloading those > MS-MPC functions to another box? (i.e. VM/Dedicated Appliance/etc..?). > > You burn slots for the MSMPC plus you burn the backplane crossing twice; so > it's at worst a

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Chris Kawchuk
Just to chime in --- for scale-out, wouldn't you be better offloading those MS-MPC functions to another box? (i.e. VM/Dedicated Appliance/etc..?). You burn slots for the MSMPC plus you burn the backplane crossing twice; so it's at worst a neutral proposition to externalise it and add low-cost

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Mark Tinka
On 4/Mar/20 20:50, Luis Balbinot wrote: > The MPC7E-MRATE is only good if you have to add a few 100G ports to a large > chassis (i.e. MX960) that has lots of 10G interfaces and/or service cards. > It's about 2/3 of the price of a new MX10003 with 12x100G. That's my point :-). We have several

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Luis Balbinot
The MPC7E-MRATE is only good if you have to add a few 100G ports to a large chassis (i.e. MX960) that has lots of 10G interfaces and/or service cards. It's about 2/3 of the price of a new MX10003 with 12x100G. On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 12:45 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 4/Mar/20 17:18, Tom

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Mark Tinka
On 4/Mar/20 17:18, Tom Beecher wrote: > Likely, but if you only need like 4  :) Then try the MPC7E :-). Cheaper than the MPC10E. Mark. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Tom Beecher
Likely, but if you only need like 4 :) On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 10:01 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > > On 4/Mar/20 16:53, Giuliano C. Medalha wrote: > > With the new MPC10 you can get 10 x 100G or 15 x 100G per slot in mx240 , > mx480 or mx960 > > But you will need premium 3 chassis with scbe3

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Mark Tinka
On 4/Mar/20 16:53, Giuliano C. Medalha wrote: > With the new MPC10 you can get 10 x 100G or 15 x 100G per slot in > mx240 , mx480 or mx960 > > But you will need premium 3 chassis with scbe3 boards to have maximum > capacity. An MX10008/10016 chassis can get you 24x 100Gbps per slot. That's

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Giuliano C. Medalha
eecher Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:47:29 AM To: Mark Tinka Cc: juniper-nsp Subject: Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K You can still get 100G ports on the 960 chassis with MPC5E/6/7s , depending on what kind of density you require. On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:42 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Mark Tinka
On 4/Mar/20 16:47, Tom Beecher wrote: > You can still get 100G ports on the 960 chassis with MPC5E/6/7s , > depending on what kind of density you require. I didn't say the MX960/480 doesn't support 100Gbps ports; I said they would be cheaper on an MX1 if you need more than a handful per

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Tom Beecher
You can still get 100G ports on the 960 chassis with MPC5E/6/7s , depending on what kind of density you require. On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 9:42 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 4/Mar/20 16:36, Tom Beecher wrote: > > It really depends on what you're going to be doing,but I still have > quite a > > few

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Mark Tinka
On 4/Mar/20 16:36, Tom Beecher wrote: > It really depends on what you're going to be doing,but I still have quite a > few MX960s out there running pretty significant workloads without issues. > > I would suspect you hit the limits of the MS-MPCs way before the limits of > the chassis. The

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Tom Beecher
It really depends on what you're going to be doing,but I still have quite a few MX960s out there running pretty significant workloads without issues. I would suspect you hit the limits of the MS-MPCs way before the limits of the chassis. On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 6:56 AM Ibariouen Khalid wrote: >

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Mark Tinka
On 4/Mar/20 13:55, Ibariouen Khalid wrote: > dear Juniper community > > is there any limitation of using MX960 as DC-GW compared to MX10K ? > > juniper always recommends to use MX10K , but i my case i need MS-MPC which > is not supported on MX10K and i want to knwo if i will have some

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Ibariouen Khalid
mx10008 On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 12:59 PM Alexandre Guimaraes < alexandre.guimar...@ascenty.com> wrote: > > > What model of MX10k? > > > Em 04/03/2020 08:56, "juniper-nsp em nome de Ibariouen Khalid" < > juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net em nome de ibario...@gmail.com> > escreveu: > > dear

Re: [j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Alexandre Guimaraes
What model of MX10k? Em 04/03/2020 08:56, "juniper-nsp em nome de Ibariouen Khalid" escreveu: dear Juniper community is there any limitation of using MX960 as DC-GW compared to MX10K ? juniper always recommends to use MX10K , but i my case i need MS-MPC which is

[j-nsp] MX960 vs MX10K

2020-03-04 Thread Ibariouen Khalid
dear Juniper community is there any limitation of using MX960 as DC-GW compared to MX10K ? juniper always recommends to use MX10K , but i my case i need MS-MPC which is not supported on MX10K and i want to knwo if i will have some limitation on MX960. Thanks