Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-30 Thread Lydia Pintscher 
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 7:58 PM Thomas Pfeiffer 
wrote:

> Looks like we've finally found what we've been searching for!
>
> Now let's get this out into the world next week and start working on the
> mission!
>
> Thank you everyone involved, it was a tough nut to crack but the patience
> and
> effort has paid off!
>

I have now created https://community.kde.org/KDE/Vision and am working on a
blog post.


Cheers
Lydia
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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-27 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer 
On Dienstag, 22. März 2016 17:24:40 CEST Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2016-03-15, David Jarvie  wrote:
> >>> > "A world in which everyone enjoys freedom and privacy and has
> >>
> >>control
> >>
> >>> > over their digital life."
> > 

"A world in which everyone has control over their digital life and enjoys
freedom and privacy."

> I've not been able to follow all these discussions (due to busy life). I
> did fear a bit what the outcome could have been from these discussions.
> 
> But. This is amazing.
> 
> Yes. That's exactly why I'm here.

Looks like we've finally found what we've been searching for!

Now let's get this out into the world next week and start working on the 
mission!

Thank you everyone involved, it was a tough nut to crack but the patience and 
effort has paid off!
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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-22 Thread Sune Vuorela 
On 2016-03-15, David Jarvie  wrote:
>>> > "A world in which everyone enjoys freedom and privacy and has
>>control
>>> > over their digital life."
>
> "A world in which everyone has control over their digital life and enjoys 
> freedom and privacy."

I've not been able to follow all these discussions (due to busy life). I
did fear a bit what the outcome could have been from these discussions.

But. This is amazing.

Yes. That's exactly why I'm here.

/Sune

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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-19 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer 
On Samstag, 19. März 2016 21:52:09 CET Michael Brade wrote:
> Am 19.03.2016 um 21:30 schrieb Alexander Neundorf:
> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 22:53:03 David Jarvie wrote:
> > ...
> > 
> >> This may read a bit better, although it does slightly alter the emphasis:
> >> 
> >> "A world in which everyone has control over their digital life and enjoys
> >> freedom and privacy."
> > 
> > How about one more tweak ?
> > 
> > "A world in which everyone can manage their digital life enjoying freedom
> > and privacy."

One can "manage" something without having full control over it, so I'd like us 
to keep the control part in there.

> Well, that's two tweaks (SCNR ;)
> 
> But I like the idea, so how about really just one tweak: getting rid of
> the double "and":
> 
> 
> "A world in which everyone has control over their digital life, enjoying
> freedom and privacy."

Makes it even better!
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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-19 Thread Michael Brade 
Am 19.03.2016 um 21:30 schrieb Alexander Neundorf:
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 22:53:03 David Jarvie wrote:
> ...
>> This may read a bit better, although it does slightly alter the emphasis:
>>
>> "A world in which everyone has control over their digital life and enjoys
>> freedom and privacy."
> 
> How about one more tweak ?
> 
> "A world in which everyone can manage their digital life enjoying freedom and 
> privacy."

Well, that's two tweaks (SCNR ;)

But I like the idea, so how about really just one tweak: getting rid of
the double "and":


"A world in which everyone has control over their digital life, enjoying
freedom and privacy."


Reason: I don't want to just manage it, I want full control.

cheers, Michael

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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-19 Thread Alexander Neundorf 
On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 22:53:03 David Jarvie wrote:
...
> This may read a bit better, although it does slightly alter the emphasis:
> 
> "A world in which everyone has control over their digital life and enjoys
> freedom and privacy."

How about one more tweak ?

"A world in which everyone can manage their digital life enjoying freedom and 
privacy."

(IMO "have control" and "privacy" are quite close in what they imply, and 
"manage" refers a bit more to the actual activities, than "just" control over 
them.)

Alex

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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-19 Thread Clemens Toennies 
+1

Regards, Clemens.
On Mar 16, 2016 1:09 PM, "Sebastian Kügler"  wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 10:53:03 PM David Jarvie wrote:
> > This may read a bit better, although it does slightly alter the emphasis:
> >
> > "A world in which everyone has control over their digital life and enjoys
> > freedom and privacy."
>
> I love this. It conveys what we want, and brings in a positive angle to the
> freedom and privacy goals.
> --
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>
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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-19 Thread Jaroslaw Staniek 
g

On 16 March 2016 at 21:48, Ingo Klöcker  wrote:

> On Wednesday 16 March 2016 12:09:27 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 10:53:03 PM David Jarvie wrote:
> > > This may read a bit better, although it does slightly alter the
> > > emphasis:
> > >
> > > "A world in which everyone has control over their digital life and
> > > enjoys freedom and privacy."
>
> Perfect.
>
>
> > I love this. It conveys what we want, and brings in a positive angle
> > to the freedom and privacy goals.
>
> +1
>

​Thanks everyone. This great result is motivating.

​


> Regards,
> Ingo
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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-19 Thread Sebastian Kügler 
On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 10:53:03 PM David Jarvie wrote:
> This may read a bit better, although it does slightly alter the emphasis:
> 
> "A world in which everyone has control over their digital life and enjoys
> freedom and privacy."

I love this. It conveys what we want, and brings in a positive angle to the 
freedom and privacy goals.
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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-15 Thread David Jarvie 
On 15 March 2016 21:15:38 GMT+00:00, Alexander Neundorf  
wrote:
>On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 08:26:15 Stephen Kelly wrote:
>> Lydia Pintscher wrote:
>> > Hi everyone,
>> > 
>> > "A world in which everyone enjoys freedom and privacy and has
>control
>> > over their digital life."
>> > 
>> > Unless there are major objections within the next week I would like
>to
>> > conclude the process and from now on use this as our vision
>statement.
>> 
>> Not a major objection, but some feedback: It's very wordy at the end
>> especially with all the 'and's in it.
>
>I agree, the two "and"'s sound a bit bumpy/"holprig".
>
>I very much like that freedom is in there, this fit's my wish to
>express some 
>kind of independence.
>How about skipping the "privacy" ? This is with no or only very little 
>interpretation included in "have control".


This may read a bit better, although it does slightly alter the emphasis:

"A world in which everyone has control over their digital life and enjoys 
freedom and privacy."

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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-15 Thread Alexander Neundorf 
On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 08:26:15 Stephen Kelly wrote:
> Lydia Pintscher wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > "A world in which everyone enjoys freedom and privacy and has control
> > over their digital life."
> > 
> > Unless there are major objections within the next week I would like to
> > conclude the process and from now on use this as our vision statement.
> 
> Not a major objection, but some feedback: It's very wordy at the end
> especially with all the 'and's in it.

I agree, the two "and"'s sound a bit bumpy/"holprig".

I very much like that freedom is in there, this fit's my wish to express some 
kind of independence.
How about skipping the "privacy" ? This is with no or only very little 
interpretation included in "have control".

Alex

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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-15 Thread Sebastian Kügler 
On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 08:26:15 AM Stephen Kelly wrote:
> Lydia Pintscher wrote:
> > "A world in which everyone enjoys freedom and privacy and has control
> > over their digital life."
> >
> > Unless there are major objections within the next week I would like to
> > conclude the process and from now on use this as our vision statement.
> 
> Not a major objection, but some feedback: It's very wordy at the end 
> especially with all the 'and's in it. 
> 
> For me that's loss of impact. 
> 
> I much preferred what Jos arrived at:  
> 
>  http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.community/2455/focus=2523
> 
> I didn't see what took it back in that wordy direction after that part of 
> the discussion.

We discussed it last week, and found that the shorter version proposed by Jos 
is leaving too much in the middle. While "control over digital life" captures 
very much the idea, we want it to be concrete as well and reference the core 
values freedom and privacy. I think it's still short enough.

We joked that if we cut out too much, we're reducing it to more or less "good 
stuff", while I can certainly agree with that, it's lacking a concrete 
direction.

Hence, we went back to the slightly wordier version, which includes freedom 
and privacy.

Note that we can still use just one of these concepts in slogans, think for 
example about the "digital freedom" t-shirts we had for some time.

Cheers,
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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-15 Thread Andrew Lake 
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 7:00 AM Lydia Pintscher wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
>
> We've gone through two rounds of feedback and discussion now and I am
> very happy with all the input we've collected. Thank you! Thomas,
> sebas and I sat together and took all the feedback and merged it into
> the final version. It is now:
>
> "A world in which everyone enjoys freedom and privacy and has control
> over their digital life."
>
> Unless there are major objections within the next week I would like to
> conclude the process and from now on use this as our vision statement.
>

Congratulations to everyone involved! I quite like this vision. :-)

Much respect,
Andrew

>
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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-15 Thread Stephen Kelly 
Lydia Pintscher wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> "A world in which everyone enjoys freedom and privacy and has control
> over their digital life."
> 
> Unless there are major objections within the next week I would like to
> conclude the process and from now on use this as our vision statement.

Not a major objection, but some feedback: It's very wordy at the end 
especially with all the 'and's in it. 

For me that's loss of impact. 

I much preferred what Jos arrived at:  

 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.community/2455/focus=2523

I didn't see what took it back in that wordy direction after that part of 
the discussion.

Thanks!

Steve.
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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-14 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer 
On Montag, 14. März 2016 22:39:13 CET Alexander Neundorf wrote:
> On Monday, March 14, 2016 14:58:57 Lydia Pintscher wrote:
> ...
> 
> > * collect input for our mission statement. Alexander and others have
> > already collected a lot of that. I have created a page on-wiki for
> > this here: https://community.kde.org/KDE/Mission/Brainstorming
> 
> I added a very short version of the stuff we had there. I hope the format is
> more or less as you intended.

Thank you for adding your notes to get us started with this!
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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-14 Thread Sebastian Kügler 
On Monday, March 14, 2016 10:24:45 PM Alexander Neundorf wrote:
> On Monday, March 14, 2016 14:58:57 Lydia Pintscher wrote:
> ...
> 
> > Next steps:
> > * publish the vision. I'm still working out what needs doing.
> 
> can we please try to publish vision and mission together ?
> If things go well, maybe can get that done until end of April.

I wouldn't want to wait any more with this. We have discussed this at length, 
and I feel that it's time to get it sealed and published and then move on, one 
step at a time.

Let's finalize the first step, then move on to the next.

Delaying it makes it demotivating, and to be quite honest, the process has 
been dragging along in the past, multiple people have simply given up, waiting 
longer makes more people give up and the last thing we need is even less 
involvement, or mind-share.

Let's go ahead and seal this and publish.
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Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-14 Thread Alexander Neundorf 
On Monday, March 14, 2016 14:58:57 Lydia Pintscher wrote:
...
> Next steps:
> * publish the vision. I'm still working out what needs doing.

can we please try to publish vision and mission together ?
If things go well, maybe can get that done until end of April.

Alex

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[kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - final version

2016-03-14 Thread Lydia Pintscher 
Hi everyone,


We've gone through two rounds of feedback and discussion now and I am
very happy with all the input we've collected. Thank you! Thomas,
sebas and I sat together and took all the feedback and merged it into
the final version. It is now:

"A world in which everyone enjoys freedom and privacy and has control
over their digital life."

Unless there are major objections within the next week I would like to
conclude the process and from now on use this as our vision statement.
It's been a long process but I think it was worth going through and
once we've finished the mission we're much better set up for the
future.

Next steps:
* publish the vision. I'm still working out what needs doing.
* collect input for our mission statement. Alexander and others have
already collected a lot of that. I have created a page on-wiki for
this here: https://community.kde.org/KDE/Mission/Brainstorming  Please
leave your input there in the next 2 weeks. We'll then go through it
and try to distill it to the main themes that should go into the
mission. Thomas, sebas and I can use more help with this. Alexander
already said he'd help move the mission creation forward. Who else
would like to help?


Cheers
Lydia

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