Re: Use of bin versus libexec

2012-09-28 Thread David Faure
On Wednesday 26 September 2012 10:42:07 Jonathan Marten wrote: After a lot of discussion, is seems that there are some executables (as per Thiago's list) that can be moved out. For others (e.g. Akonadi) it is problematic because there is no standardization on the location for a system-wide

Re: Use of bin versus libexec

2012-09-26 Thread Jonathan Marten
After a lot of discussion, is seems that there are some executables (as per Thiago's list) that can be moved out. For others (e.g. Akonadi) it is problematic because there is no standardization on the location for a system-wide libexec as per David's comments below, so they will have to stay

Re: Use of bin versus libexec

2012-09-26 Thread Ralf Habacker
Am 20.09.2012 17:53, schrieb Thiago Macieira: On quinta-feira, 20 de setembro de 2012 16.50.57, Ralf Habacker wrote: kdeinit4 used on windows, need to stay Used by people? Or used by programs and scripts? used by people. On windows there are a few more options intended for command line

Re: Use of bin versus libexec

2012-09-21 Thread Ralf Habacker
kdeinit4 used on windows, need to stay

Re: Use of bin versus libexec

2012-09-21 Thread Vadim Zhukov
Hello all. Sorry for messing around here (I'm not a KDE developer) but in case anyone interested in OpenBSD look, I'll try to present it here via some thoughts and facts. 1. OpenBSD doesn't care about FHS, and all *nix except Linux distros do not care either. Because FHS is Linux-only itself. 2.

Re: Use of bin versus libexec

2012-09-21 Thread Michael Reeves
On 09/20/2012 11:53 AM, Thiago Macieira wrote: On quinta-feira, 20 de setembro de 2012 16.50.57, Ralf Habacker wrote: kdeinit4 used on windows, need to stay Used by people? Or used by programs and scripts? If it's the latter, it can be moved. The only reason I've ever run kdeinit4 is

Re: Use of bin versus libexec

2012-09-21 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-09-20, David Faure fa...@kde.org wrote: We really need a FHS addition for libexec. not really. the libexec executables is in general a implementation detail of the given library. We have the rare case in KDE that we actually call other libraries' executables, which is a different thing,

Re: Use of bin versus libexec

2012-09-20 Thread Thiago Macieira
On quinta-feira, 20 de setembro de 2012 12.46.47, Jonathan Marten wrote: There are a lot of executables in $KDEDIR/bin which are used for internal purposes within KDE and are not intended to be directly executed by the end user. Having these in the user's $PATH is not necessary and has

Re: Use of bin versus libexec

2012-09-20 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-09-20, Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote: Agreed. It is important, however, to remember that some of those (e.g.=20 akonadiserver, akonadi_control) are not KDE programs and can therefore not = be=20 in a KDE specific libexec location but have to go into a standard (FHS or=20

Re: Use of bin versus libexec

2012-09-20 Thread Jonathan Marten
Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org writes: Agreed. It is important, however, to remember that some of those (e.g. akonadiserver, akonadi_control) are not KDE programs and can therefore not be in a KDE specific libexec location but have to go into a standard (FHS or freedesktop.org) location for

Re: Use of bin versus libexec

2012-09-20 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Thursday, 2012-09-20, Jonathan Marten wrote: Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org writes: Agreed. It is important, however, to remember that some of those (e.g. akonadiserver, akonadi_control) are not KDE programs and can therefore not be in a KDE specific libexec location but have to go into a

Re: Use of bin versus libexec

2012-09-20 Thread Thiago Macieira
On quinta-feira, 20 de setembro de 2012 16.50.57, Ralf Habacker wrote: kdeinit4 used on windows, need to stay Used by people? Or used by programs and scripts? If it's the latter, it can be moved. -- Thiago Macieira - thiago (AT) macieira.info - thiago (AT) kde.org Software Architect -

Re: Use of bin versus libexec

2012-09-20 Thread Jonathan Marten
Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org writes: Do you mean $PREFIX/libexec, where $PREFIX will often be /usr (for distribution packages)? Yes, that's what I meant - in theory equivalent, since $KDEDIR will be set to the same at runtime. -- Jonathan Marten

Re: Use of bin versus libexec

2012-09-20 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-09-20, Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote: Do you mean $PREFIX/libexec, where $PREFIX will often be /usr (for=20 distribution packages)? that only works in redhat/fedora land. In other distributiotns, like debian and ubuntu, libexec is placed in directories under

Re: Use of bin versus libexec

2012-09-20 Thread David Faure
On Thursday 20 September 2012 19:36:39 Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2012-09-20, Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote: Do you mean $PREFIX/libexec, where $PREFIX will often be /usr (for=20 distribution packages)? that only works in redhat/fedora land. In other distributiotns, like debian and

Re: Use of bin versus libexec

2012-09-20 Thread Luigi Toscano
David Faure wrote: On Thursday 20 September 2012 19:36:39 Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2012-09-20, Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote: Do you mean $PREFIX/libexec, where $PREFIX will often be /usr (for=20 distribution packages)? that only works in redhat/fedora land. In other distributiotns, like