[kicad-users] Footprint for a Relay ?

2010-01-23 Thread yukku yukkoooooo
Hi, I am using the Relay RELAY_2RT from the EEschema device library. I have a couple of question about it - 1. Why does it not use contiguous pin numbers instead using pins 1,3,5 8,9 and 12,14,16 ? My guess is it uses a standard package with missing pins to get double spacing. Please

Re: [kicad-users] Footprint for a Relay ?

2010-01-23 Thread Veronica Merryfield
It all depend what actual device the part was based on, but essentially it is as you say. Relay bases have a long history. Find the data sheet for the actual relay you are going to use and pick the footprint from that. My suspicion is that the device in the library is a DIL16 part so you

[kicad-users] Active and Inactive space

2010-01-23 Thread h_manbeing
Hi all, I wish someday the Kicad developpers will have the time to divide a sheet (as of eeschema for example) as two independent spaces: (1) The area inside the page limits, in which all components and connections are treated as usual so it can be called active or Real. (2) Outside the

Re: [kicad-users] Footprint for a Relay ?

2010-01-23 Thread Andy Eskelson
Many relays have a standard numbering system, especially if they are intended to be plugged into some form of holder. there are some variations, but generally they are two digit such as 11, 12, 13, 21, 22, 23 and so on, the coils are normally A1 and A2. I have also seen some bases with a letter

Re: [kicad-users] Active and Inactive space

2010-01-23 Thread Andy Eskelson
If I understand correctly what you are asking for, it's already there. Just add a range of components that you are using once. If you wish you can place them outside the drawing outline. Then right click on a component, select copy and place the copy wherever you need it. I generally don't

Re: [kicad-users] Footprint for a Relay ?

2010-01-23 Thread yukku yukkoooooo
Hi, Thank you for the answer. That brings me to the question as to what to do if I do not have a data sheet for the part. Can I measure various lengths on the part and gaps between the pins and create my footprint ? What should be the minimum tolerance (in inches) to get a decent footprint ?

Re: [kicad-users] Footprint for a Relay ?

2010-01-23 Thread yukku yukkoooooo
Andy, Thank you. Please send me the schematic part as well as the foot prints. Regards yukku From: Andy Eskelson andyya...@g0poy.co.uk To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 4:36:45 PM Subject: Re: [kicad-users] Footprint for a Relay ?

Re: [kicad-users] Footprint for a Relay ?

2010-01-23 Thread Andy Eskelson
One trick I sometime use if I cannot find a datasheet, (rare as you can usually find one in the various suppliers catalogues.) is to use a piece of matrix board. Most leaded components are on a 0.1 inch grid (there are exceptions but there are not too many) You can then count the hole spacing.

[kicad-users] Re: Active and Inactive space

2010-01-23 Thread h_manbeing
Thank you Andy for your reply. In my turn and if I understood well, your Kicad version of eeschema allows you to place components and perhaps uncomplete connections outside the main page without worrying about their wrong/missing annotation or the non connected pins... etc. Isn't what you

[kicad-users] Mechanical hole

2010-01-23 Thread Jean-Paul Gendner
Hi, I ask help to built a module designed to put anywhere on a board mechanical holes (drill positions) with large masks, so that a screw will be in contact with the cupper. If I put a large pad, the pad will be isolated from the local cupper area. If I connect the pad to the

[kicad-users] Re: Mechanical hole

2010-01-23 Thread jpgendner
I answer to myself! I just have to put a different pad size on the mask layers! Jean-Paul --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Jean-Paul Gendner jean-paul.gend...@... wrote: Hi, I ask help to built a module designed to put anywhere on a board mechanical holes (drill

Re: [kicad-users] Footprint for a Relay ?

2010-01-23 Thread Andy Eskelson
you have mail... andy On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:17:11 -0800 (PST) yukku yukkoo yukku19752...@yahoo.com wrote: Andy, Thank you. Please send me the schematic part as well as the foot prints. Regards yukku From: Andy Eskelson

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Active and Inactive space

2010-01-23 Thread Andy Eskelson
Ahh! a slightly different way of working I miss-understood what you were saying... You can move things about on and off the circuit area wherever you want, but that's all. While designing I don't use erc or bom, that all comes AFTER the design is done, when I delete all the leftover parts and

[kicad-users] Re: Active and Inactive space

2010-01-23 Thread h_manbeing
Hi Andy, Your actual way is also my favorite one so I know what you mean. That is why and as I mentioned at the beginning... what I have suggested was and will be always a wish... I guess :) Kerim --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson andyya...@... wrote: Ahh! a slightly