Re: [kicad-users] Tutorial on hierarchical schematics
http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/jmhill/suppnotes/KiCadDia/index.htm Appears the ODT link is broken. Is the material copyrighted? Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Nothing defines humans better than their willingness to do irrational things in the pursuit of phenomenally unlikely payoffs. This is the principle behind lotteries, dating, and religion. --Scott Adams
Re: [kicad-users] Net names starting with slash?
Greg Dyess wrote: Usually that is a convention used to indicate a low true signal name. Logic low level = true (or asserted) and logic high = false (or deasserted). Greg That is not the case here - kicad uses ~ to negate the symbol. if i create a netname call active - I see it in the netlist as /active - not all netnames have the / prefix. Wondering what it means.. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 When angry count four; when very angry, swear. --Mark Twain
[kicad-users] Net names starting with slash?
What doe the slash mean? Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 One major difference between haves and have nots these days simply lies in how much math they use and understand. -- Don Lancaster
Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew Crashes X
cbnathanael wrote: It's looking like a video issue. Though myself and someone else have seemingly narrowed it down specifically to anything with an arc in it. I can work for a while on a section of the board with no issue, but as soon as I move to something containing an arc, everything dies. This doesn't happen in eeschema. I've tried it both natively, as well as with WINE, and even through SSH on another computer where it works fine. In each case, the results were the same -- manipulating the view while an arc was visible, crashed x-server. You might list out the chain of dependencies that kicad has to get the version numbers. Ubuntu tends to be bleeding edge - so you might want to install an older version of your video card driver.. kernel version( to figure out which version of your video card) and libwxgtk2 and libwxbase versions would give us a hint as to what you are dealing with.. For instance - I have: ii libwxgtk2.8-0 2.8.10.1-3 ii libwxbase2.8-0 2.8.10.1-3 ii linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 2.6.26-21lenny4 Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Real scientists don't try to hide trends in data. kps
Re: [kicad-users] Re: pcbnew Crashes X
cbnathanael wrote: Thanks for the response, Karl. I'm not using the beta release of Lucid, though -- this was the official update they put out this month. KDE 4.4 has been quite stable, too. I haven't had any other issues with my hardware/software. My laptop is also relatively old (circa 2005); prior versions of KiCad worked on it just fine, using Ubuntu. The hard drive died, and I replaced it. There is a bug report on launchpad, too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kicad/+bug/557918?comments=all This does seem to be an ubuntu 10.04 specific problem. I wasn't sure if anyone here had run into it yet. Looks like a bug in one of ubuntu's video drivers.. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 While understanding one's problems may be a good thing; it doesn't make them go away. -kps
Re: [kicad-users] Re: Filled zones change their netnames randomly
luck_hans wrote: Update: I found the problem in the netlist-generating. When i change something in the schematics and update the netlist, the netnames of some components change, though the changes made in the schematic concern complete different and independent parts. The error is repeatable. 20 filled zones have to be edited every few updates of the netlist :( Please file a bug report including the exact version and precise steps to reproduce.. A complete and careful bug-report will make the bug go away.. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 The best way to cheer yourself up is to try to cheer somebody else up. -- Mark twain
[kicad-users] Preventing thermals on special pads of SM packages
Today, there are many surface mount parts (MOSFETS, driver-chips etc.) that depend on a solid copper connection to aid in dissipating heat. Those pins should not have a thermal created to a ground plane. What is the best way to prevent the generation of this thermal? ( I think this should be an attribute of a pin type in eeschema - but it isn't there .. there might have been a 'T' attribute in PADS - might have been in the pad-stack definition? - if memory serves me right. I think it could default to T unless told not to do so). I think I can create a zone with thermals turned off - and kludge it up to work. This wasn't much of an issue in the past, but is rather common with the SM boards of today - probably should have some way to do this.. I want to write this up.. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Action speaks louder than words but not nearly as often. -- Mark Twain
Re: [kicad-users] Re: Module Library madness
Lorenzo wrote: The IPC standard naming is IMHO unwieldy, too complex to use in the usual cases! (and, anyway, remember that there are around a dozen or so of SOT-23 variants, too!) You can tell IPC standards was written by engineers that haven't done real life design work -- some of the text sounds like it was written by lawyers yuck. Anyway - the problem is there really isn't one pad size for an 0805 that works - there are variants for density vs reliability trade offs and to really optimize the pad you need to consider the thickness of the part. (should the 0805 (2012 Metric) be called a 201250 Metric?) I found this: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ljh4timm/pcb-fpw/pcb-fpw.html It would be cool if someone tweaked pcb-fpw to to produce kicad footprint libraries.. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Gumption is 99% of success. kps
Re: [kicad-users] Re: Module Library madness
Lorenzo wrote: You can tell IPC standards was written by engineers that haven't done real life design work -- some of the text sounds like it was written by lawyers yuck. You actually have found the specs or have you paid for them? I'd love to see the rationale for some of their formulas (like SOIC pads that sometimes are round and sometimes are squareds) You can find the specs via google A key to seeing what they are up to is in the ipc software that I posted the link to yesterday.. Anyway - the problem is there really isn't one pad size for an 0805 that works - there are variants for density vs reliability trade offs and to really optimize the pad you need to consider the thickness of the part. (should the 0805 (2012 Metric) be called a 201250 Metric?) Not only that, there are other technological constraint. Like when you work on 70um copper or you do a board to be conformal-coated, the pads' shapes change a little... I found this: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ljh4timm/pcb-fpw/pcb-fpw.html It would be cool if someone tweaked pcb-fpw to to produce kicad footprint libraries.. I could give it a look. I've already done some library generation, kicad format is actually trivial... pcb-fpw is sort of an opensource version of http://landpatterns.ipc.org/files/PCBM_LP_Calculator_V2009-0831.zip All of it is for supporting IPC-7351. pcb-fpw was written to support the competing opensource 'pcb' package - might work to have a script to translate the modules? pcb-fpw is open source, so it would be possible to modify add it to the kicad suite .. seems to be written in java-bloat.. The separate names for a cap and resistor 0805 package is silly - I could see building a library with 080505 to specify the thickness for out of the ordinary parts. I could also see having three libraries - as the SNM7351B SNL7351B SMN7351B. (I found a thermistor that is thin and matches the thickness of the SM MOSFETS so it it touches the heatsink).. The M,N,and L are for most, Nominal and least -- describes most compromises folks would run into.. I'm also making my modules with different silk screen and a part outline on the drawing level. There are also custom case numbers that should probably be organized via part vendor. One thing to point out is these case sizes originate in metric - the imperial notation is approximate. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 When angry count four; when very angry, swear. --Mark Twain
Re: [kicad-users] Re: Module Library madness
Lorenzo wrote: The separate names for a cap and resistor 0805 package is silly Actually it isn't... a ceramic cap has round plating, a chip resistor is an attached foil... I presume the mechanical properties are different (indeed the pads are different, too) ?? not the parts I looked at - they are different depending on thickness CAPC0603x33N and RESC0603x33N have the exact same land pattern.. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 The government consists of a gang of men exactly like you and me. They have, taking one with another, no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office. Their principal device to that end is to search out groups who pant and pine for something they can't get and to promise to give it to them. Nine times out of ten that promise is worth nothing. The tenth time is made good by looting A to satisfy B. In other words, government is a broker in pillage, and every election is sort of an advance auction sale of stolen goods. -- H.L. Mencken
[kicad-users] Module Library madness
I'm not sure I understand why the library of modules is in the state it is? I would expect to see module files like SO.mod, DO.mod, DIP.mod, PLC.mod, discreet_SM.mod, etc. Am I missing something? Anyway, it appears that I should not trust what is in the library anyway. I got a copy of LP Calculator to work. should probably be three versions of the modules library for surface-mount work - General purpose - high reliability and very-high density. (There are settings to get these numbers out of LP-calculator). A = Most - reliable - but bigger B = Nominal - mid sized C = Least - very small For others that want to generate these pads - here are the clues From http://landpatterns.ipc.org/default.asp Download this link http://landpatterns.ipc.org/files/PCBM_LP_Calculator_V2009-0831.zip Get Winetricks from: http://winezeug.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/winetricks Save the script Then using a Terminal type in sh winetricks in script directory Select using the GUI dotnet20 and install There is one other detail that should get worked out - there are two ways that cap footprints are specified - and it generates confusion - metric and imperial - thus 0201 (02x01mils) = 0603 in metric (remind me to once again curse the creeps that stopped metrication back in the '60s). Complete list http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/Capacitor_Codes#Imperial_and_metric_case_size_codes There are two that overlap - there is are 0402 0603 in both imperial and metric. The library name ought to give a hint as to the units used.. The current lib lists these as SM0603 in imperial.. I'm thinking of creating a metric named lib with 0603M? Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry. -- Mark Twain
Re: [kicad-users] How to compile new KiCAD on Debian ? stable (lenny)?
Dimitris Lampridis wrote: On Monday 10 May 2010 11:05:19 you wrote: On Sunday 09 May 2010 23:50:27 you wrote: Lenny has rather old version of KiCad, I'm trying to compile new version of Kicad, but there are few errors prohibit that. Mainly Bazaar is missing is not available for lenny. Anyone tried to compile KiCad on Lenny? Is it possible to get newest version of Kicad on lenny? Since Debian Testing/Unstable has Kicad packages version 20100314, one thing you could attempt is to backport it yourself to Lenny, Debian has some pretty easy to use tools for that. The problem is that 20100314 has a couple of nasty bugs* I'm bumping into and requires a cascade of dependencies - I just pulled ALL the dependencies from testing and it works - didn't appear to break anything else. So what I don't know is how to drop in the 20100505 tar ball and make a new package. * (Field input above F11, deleting of footprint, a file deletion. - I think all fixed now) Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Postmodernism: nihilism in drag. -kps
[kicad-users] bazaar-explorer-in-debian
http://www.codercpf.be/130/howto-install-bazaar-explorer-in-debian/ Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Merchandise offered without price, is sure to cost more than it is worth. -kps
Re: [kicad-users] How to compile new KiCAD on Debian ? stable (lenny)?
Karl Schmidt wrote: So what I don't know is how to drop in the 20100505 tar ball and make a new package. Correction - make that 20100509 at least.. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Merchandise offered without price, is sure to cost more than it is worth. -kps
Re: [kicad-users] Solder mask - paste mask size deltas
jean-pierre.char...@gipsa-lab.inpg.fr wrote: You can set pad masks global clearance in Preferences/Dimensions/Pads Mask Clearance and specific values (when needed, for special cases) in Module and/or Pad Editor Dialog. Not seeing that setting - I'm still running 20090216 as I've been unable to build 20100314 under Debian stable (lenny). I'm assuming these settings must have been added later.. I think I'm going to update my machine to Debian 'testing' - hope it doesn't break to many things.. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 When angry, count to four; when very angry, swear. -- Mark Twain
Re: [kicad-users] How to compile new KiCAD on Debian – stable (lenny)?
ispgardner wrote: Lenny has rather old version of KiCad, I'm trying to compile new version of Kicad, but there are few errors prohibit that. Mainly Bazaar is missing is not available for lenny. Anyone tried to compile KiCad on Lenny? Is it possible to get newest version of Kicad on lenny? I appreciate your help. Gardner I got Bazaar to work on Lenny using this: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/qbzr-dev/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main Also put in sources for testing and You want to end up with these: qbzr 0.18.1-1~qbzr1~jaunty1 pyqt-tools 3.17.4-1 pyqt4-dev-tools 4.4.2-4 bzr 2.1.1-1 You will need to run bzr launchpad-login your_launchpad_user_id and set up an ssh key. I haven't done any package building and ran out of steam when I realized there is a diff package that I don't know how to create. I would really appreciate Debian pkg support.. Can I offer any bribes? (trying to focus on a design and creating kicad notes - this is really diffusing my focus - I'm not that young anymore..) Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Everything has its limit - iron ore cannot be educated into gold.-- Mark Twain Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[kicad-users] Building kicad for Debian Lenny
Bernd Wiebus said: So far i can see, this is the same in the Version from 06th. April 2010. I use it with Debian Lenny. How did you do that? I've tried to build 20100314 and wound up in a dependency spiral. Do you have a deb package that will run on lenny? I know the guy that packages kicad for Debian wants to find someone else to take over - would you be interested? Can I send you something to encourage it? Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
Re: [kicad-users] Re: Errors building from svn on Debian
throbley wrote: Perfect! Thanks. I had to symlink libGL.so as well to get the build to work. Were you able to build a package - a back-port for lenny? Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Any cat would tell you that you can only wash one paw at a time; while we try to do everything at once. -kps
[kicad-users] Component Lead Terminology
Don Lancaster got me started on researching this - thought others here would appreciate. http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/Component_Lead_Terminology ( if you saw this on the kicad-dev list - it was in error) Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Biographies are but the clothes and buttons of the man. The biography of the man himself cannot be written. -- Mark Twain
Re: [kicad-users] Naming PWR and GND nets in eeschema?
I made a few notes on this a while back - if any of this has changed please let me know. http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/Eeschema#Notes_2 I remember weirdness of how this works - Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 When angry count four; when very angry, swear. --Mark Twain
Re: [kicad-users] kicad kicad-2010-03-14-svn-R2456-final-UBUNTU_9.10.tgz
I'm really hoping this version will make it into squeeze ... Anyone know who is doing the Debian package? ( I can send Pizza if it would help ) (it is a really cool version date - pi day - which also happens to be my anniversary.) Right now I'm running 20090216-1 Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Ignorant people think it's the noise which fighting cats make that is so aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening grammar they use. ~ Mark Twain
Re: [kicad-users] Completely depressing !
Stephrac74 wrote: I’ve not checked before drawing the PCB that the module was ok…. And what a mistake ! I've run into the same problem on high end commercial packages - there is a high rate of errors in the parts libs. I almost always spend half my time defining new parts - there are several reasons: 1 - Most large chip library parts don't have the pin placement organized logically. schematics ought to convey information in an understandable form - not just hacked together connections. 2 - I always bring out a real ground and power pin - using auto connect sounds like a time saver - but real circuit boards need ground and power nets that are designed to minimize ground noise. Even on multi layer boards with dedicated power layers there becomes the issue of separating analog and digital grounds - knowing how to split ground and power plans for A/D converter areas and high gain input sections is a must. 3 - added fields that make procurement, ECO, multi source etc. - unless you hate the buyer. This is tedious time consuming work - but it pays in the end. My hunch is that open-libraries will end up with lower error rates - should be a field that says who (email) is the maintainer of a library part so corrections can be sent off. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry. -- Mark Twain Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [kicad-users] PNP Transisors
Steve Weigold wrote: On 1/28/2010 2:47 PM, rocko wrote: On a couple of data sheets namely Philips and a generic one I have, have the Emitter as pin 3. In general shouldn't the Emitter be pin 1? With regard to pinouts, Industry Standard is a contradiction in terms. The problem you describe happens all the time and in my opinion is the worst on three pin devices. I make my devices based on part number for this exact reason. This is an important practice - some pinouts change with package type - the part number needs to contain that suffix. ( tsop vs psop vs dip ) Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. -- Mark Twain
Re: [kicad-users] Re: New Version
Any idea when this will hit Debian? Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there - Will Rogers
Re: [kicad-users] Re: IGES and STEP models
nonuckingfumber wrote: It would be great if we could piece together the procedure to import these files into KiCad. Apart from the Tyco products, if they are required for DoD contracts then surly there are many other iges files of 3D component shapes out there. It would be really nice if you wrote this up as a script or something or at least put up a step-by-step in the wiki.. keep us posted.. Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 If you shake a politician's hand, be sure count your fingers.
[kicad-users] Correct terminal terminology
Don't misuse the terminology: See http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu08.asp#10-11-08 Shouldn't these be call tangential leaded? http://www.schurterinc.com/estore/catimg/schu_pic_117.jpg The top one in this picture http://www2.electronicproducts.com/images2/C66CRNLE0207.gif would be single ended axial but the ones to the far left should be called radial. This error has been repeated for too long. Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Everything has its limit - iron ore cannot be educated into gold.-- Mark Twain
[kicad-users] Footprint vs module
I'm working on updating some kicad documentation - I think the terms are both used for the same thing, unless I'm missing something. Do I have this straight - eeschema seems to use footprint and PCBnew calls the same thing modules? In other programs, footprints are called patterns or decals (PADSpcb/powerlogic called them decals). Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Give me four parameters and I can fit an elephant; Give me five and I can wag its tail. (The source of the above quote?? Variants have been attributed to C.F. Gauss, Niels Bohr, Lord Kelvin, Enrico Fermi.)
[kicad-users] Wiki returning 403
http://kicad.sourceforge.net/ forwards to http://kicad.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page and returns a 403.. Not sure who manages the source forge action. Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Time wounds all heels.
Re: [kicad-users] Posting Guidelines
Mark Everett wrote: Bottom posting is way old school, I hate scrolling. But what ever you want. Most webmal clients you have to force the bottom posting. Trimming is no problem, everything but my reply and quoted text. Yes Pedro, in most work enviroments you get yelled at (down the hall, over the cube wall) for bottom posting cause again people dont want to scan over what they just read a hour ago. Mark - This message is off topic (not about kicad ) you should have replied off list. Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please contribute your symbols/modules to the library folder in the group files section. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-devel Yahoo! Groups Links -- !!! INCLUDE ALL TEXT IN TECHNICAL SUPPORT EMAIL REPLIES!!! !!!Send in plain-text mode - mail with attached GIFs will be rejected !!! Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Misdirection is the key to being a good magician. Magicians tell you they are doing something while they do something quite different; much like politicians -- except we can afford magicians. -KPS
Re: [kicad-users] Best way to print to a png graphic?
David Gravereaux wrote: Thanks for your input. Yes, file formats like WMF are good, ??? I would disagree - First it is a proprietary file format - see: http://dx.sheridan.com/advisor/wmf_file.html but firefox and IE don't support SVG. My fire fox (1.5) does well enough for now. I tried scaling with the img tag, but doesn't work all that great (rather fuzzy). scaled down: http://www.pobox.com/~davygrvy/kc/test.html test graphic:http://www.pobox.com/~davygrvy/kc/test.png test windows metafile: http://www.pobox.com/~davygrvy/kc/SawTooth.wmf Top two display fine in Firefox - the WMF does not - and there are good reasons FireFox won't display a windows metafile.. shame. Not really - http://www.bluecoat.com/downloads/support/tb_blocking_wmf_remote_execution.pdf But even in IE, it can't even scale correctly when it should have.. I about give up trying to make web friendly docs. Just scale it in inkscape and save as png of whatever size you want and link the image to the svg. Most geek types interested in schematics are running Firefox anyway. Also see - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics -- hmmm.. even some cell phones support svg now. -- !!! INCLUDE ALL TEXT IN TECHNICAL SUPPORT EMAIL REPLIES!!! !!!Send in plain-text mode - mail with attached GIFs are rejected !!! Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 If it is worth doing, it is worth doing for money.
Re: [kicad-users] Kicad now in Debian
Getting kicad into Debian is a BIG DEAL(tm) to kicad users even if you don't run Debian yourself. Debian not only has a large user-base itself - there are many other Debian based distributions: (see http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros ) Four of these 'Debian-children-distributions' (including the current #1 Linux distribution ) are in the top 12 Linux distributions. ( see http://distrowatch.com/ ) Not only that, but many other distributions use Debian as an easy way to screen for new packages to add to their distribution. In short, the kicad user base is about to explode! As kicad filters into these distributions, this mailing list will get busier and there will be more code patches from sophisticated Linux users that get contributed that will help polish this already great software. Don't underestimate the effect that more Linux users will have on this software. In other words, this is cause to celebrate! Congratulations and my personal thanks to the development team and everyone that helped get kicad into Debian! Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name. Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please contribute your symbols/modules to the library folder in the group files section. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-devel Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[kicad-users] eeschema update from lib bug?
Not sure if this is a bug or just a usability problem. I have a part placed in the schematic. Then, if I go into libedit and change a field value, then save to RAM (not clear if this is just a RAM copy of the library for eeschema to use? What exactly is the purpose of this?) (and I save to the library anyway). The change does not show in the part in the schematic. The only way to update a part via libedit is to then delete the part and add it again. The best way for this to really work would be to have an option when editing a part to update the copy in the libray - or an option in libedit to update any open schematic. Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 When faced with the reality that he would have to start working a real job for a living, the politician became about a quarter turn past hand tight. Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please contribute your symbols/modules to the library folder in the group files section. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-devel Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[kicad-users] kicad-3d-tutor2.sxw
I just uploaded a how-to tutorial that I tried to translate from Portuguese with help from Google. This tutorial was written by Renie S. Marquet of Brazil who deserves everyones thanks. I have cleaned up the first half of it - the second half is still fresh from the google translation and needs more cleaning up (I can't spend more time on it right now - but it is usable enough that I thought it was worth sharing). One hint: google translates highlight as wall lamp. I sure hope someone has time to clean up the rest - it is a very good tutorial. Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Why are so many spending time watching dark movies about hopelessness, the macabre, and perversion; why are they reading books about unfaithfulness and self destruction? Why is nothing uplifting, also considered 'cool' or entertaining? -kps Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please contribute your symbols/modules to the library folder in the group files section. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-devel Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[kicad-users] Bug - File/Export/GenCad
Running File/Export/GenCad crashes pcbnew on my Debian Stable system. Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. --Mark Twain Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please contribute your symbols/modules to the library folder in the group files section. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-devel Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[kicad-users] Pin-swap and gate-swap? ECO?
I'm not seeing where one sets the Pin-swap and gate swap? Am I missing something? The other thing I'm looking for is the steps involved in doing an ECO? Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Time wounds all heels Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please contribute your symbols/modules to the library folder in the group files section. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-devel Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
