KR> Jim Faughn's engine
Yep. I agree Mike. The time lag in getting oil back up the passages to the front could well accelerate wear on starting up and also lead to delays in pumping the lifters back up if it had been standing for a prolonged time. I think the Jabiru engines had some well recognised problems with getting oil to the high points. I think manually priming the oil system, particularly after prolonged storage or first start up is most important. John Martindale 29 Jane Circuit Toormina NSW 2452 Australia ph:61 2 6658 4767 m:0403 432179 email:john_martindale at bigpond.com web site: -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Stirewalt via KRnet Sent: Sunday, 6 September 2015 10:26 PM To: krnet at list.krnet.org Cc: laser147 at juno.com Subject: KR> Jim Faughn's engine Gene said, "Michael, sorry but oil level can't be that high or the crank would be fighting to get through the oil on every revolution." Oh well . . . it sure sounded like it made sense. How about the thought that when we shut the engine down the oil that's been circulating then drains thanks to gravity. If the engine is level, it drains evenly. At an angle, it drains to the rear, causing some parts . . . like front bearings . . . getting drained a little better? I guess I'll have to give up on this particular idea I've been carrying around for awhile if you don't think there's anything to it. Someone made the point with me some time back and it "sounded" like it made a lot of sense. Mike Buffettb - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6125 / Virus Database: 4409/10586 - Release Date: 09/06/15
KR> Not pilots, but have a structural question for a KR2S
Do you know where one like this could be found? Stephen Teel -Original Message- From: billjacobs386 at yahoo.com via KRnet To: krnet Cc: billjacobs386 Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2015 5:50 pm Subject: Re: KR> Not pilots, but have a structural question for a KR2S Maybe trade it for a non functioning look a like. Aka. Stand in. Bill Jacobs -- Original message--From: inquire via KRnet Date: Sun, Sep 6, 2015 6:43 PMTo: krnet at list.krnet.org;Cc: inquire;Subject:Re: KR> Not pilots, but have a structural question for a KR2SThanks Tony. The mounting will have to be outdoors, what can we do to protect the composite, and how long until the damage starts to go beyond easily reparable in this north Texas climate? We will do no irreparable damage. -Original Message-From: Tony King via KRnet To: KRnet Cc: Tony King Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2015 5:25 pmSubject: Re: KR> Not pilots, but have a structural question for a KR2SIf you came up with a structure that had the aircraft still sitting onitslanding gear (or with brackets of some sort attached to the axles)you'dhave to expect it wouldn't do any damage to the aircraft. Anarrangementthat somehow attached to the upper landing gear mount pointsprobably wouldwork OK as well, but would be much harder to implement withoutat leastminor (repairable) damage.You could pote ntially hang it from thewing attach fittings and tailwheelas well. There's a gap between the outerwing panel and the centre section(which may have a gap seal over it) where acable could be attached. Thefront WAFs are probably pretty close to thecentre of gravity though, so asandbag somewhere down the back might be a goodidea in that case.Also keep in mind that the composite construction doesn'tage well if it'ssituated outdoors.Cheers,TonyOn 7 September 2015at 07:11, inquire via KRnet wrote: Helloto All,>> Per the subject line, we are not pilots, and until recently hadno> knowledge of this beautiful plane. We do however, have an appreciationfor> beautiful, cool design in anything. Don't know if our situation/questionis> unique for any of you or not.>> We have acquired, we were told, a complete KR2S built by Kenneth> Rand(no engine). We would love to displaythis piece of art and for it to> attract attention to, and entry into, ourartist's co-op in an historic> dist rict of McKinney, TX. We will do NO damagethis plane in any display> decision that we reach. We would like to display itas one would a model> plane on a desk or shelf, and so that no one could sitor place their> children on it.> We would, of course, display a history ofthe plane to educate visitors.> Our question is: are there structurally safeways to mount this plane in> that manner?>> Your response is eagerlyawaited by us both,> Stephen & Jeannette Teel,> 1408 Marigold Drive>214-797-1729>>___> Search the KRnet Archives athttp://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send amessage to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org> please see other KRnet info athttp://www.krnet.org/info.html> seehttp://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change>options>___Search the KRnetArchives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.To UNsubscribe fromKRnet, send a messa ge to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.orgplease see other KRnet infoat http://www.krnet.org/info.htmlseehttp://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ___Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.orgplease see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.htmlsee http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> Gathering
A big thanks to all involved with hosting the gathering. For those who couldn't attend you were missed. Charlie Joe Davis
KR> Not pilots, but have a structural question for a KR2S
Hello to All, Per the subject line, we are not pilots, and until recently had no knowledge of this beautiful plane. We do however, have an appreciation for beautiful, cool design in anything. Don't know if our situation/question is unique for any of you or not. We have acquired, we were told, a complete KR2S built by Kenneth Rand(no engine). We would love to display this piece of art and for it to attract attention to, and entry into, our artist's co-op in an historic district of McKinney, TX. We will do NO damage this plane in any display decision that we reach. We would like to display it as one would a model plane on a desk or shelf, and so that no one could sit or place their children on it. We would, of course, display a history of the plane to educate visitors. Our question is: are there structurally safe ways to mount this plane in that manner? Your response is eagerly awaited by us both, Stephen & Jeannette Teel, 1408 Marigold Drive 214-797-1729
KR> Jim Faughn's engine
It would probably help to distribute the oil evenly in the pan for a brief time before start if the engine was level. Not sure what that would do for you. A common practice that I have used for engines that have been sitting for a while is to oil prime the cylinders, put new oil in the crankcase, turn the engine over by hand to spread things around, and then crank the engine on the starter until you get oil pressure (give the starter 'breaks' to keep it from overheating, be willing to buy a new starter if needed, or get a remote heavy duty starting system that you can bolt to the front of the crankshaft). Check cylinder pressures/leak-down, Repeat. It still doesn't negate the affects of an engine sitting for a long time. The advise I get from my Harley friends is perform the above, expect a short engine life initially and be prepared to rebuild soon. This was after I told them I was doing a complete rebuild on a motor that had been sitting for 20 years and was preface by "If you can get it to start" Just a thought. Mark W. N952MW > -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of John Martindale via KRnet Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2015 7:44 AM To: 'KRnet' Cc: John Martindale Subject: Re: KR> Jim Faughn's engine Yep. I agree Mike. The time lag in getting oil back up the passages to the front could well accelerate wear on starting up and also lead to delays in pumping the lifters back up if it had been standing for a prolonged time. I think the Jabiru engines had s. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
KR> Jim Faughn's engine
I havent been in the air yet so I'm hesitant to speak up.? But, I do have moroso pre-oiler in my race car and a couple street cars. Sometimes months go by before they get driven, plus the added insurance at the track. I already have one for the corvair that Im building as 80% of all engine wear is at start up. Good Luck, Bill Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Mark Wegmet via KRnet" List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date:Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 11:40 AM Subject:Re: KR> Jim Faughn's engine It would probably help to distribute the oil evenly in the pan for a brief time before start if the engine was level. Not sure what that would do for you. A common practice that I have used for engines that have been sitting for a while is to oil prime the cylinders, put new oil in the crankcase, turn the engine over by hand to spread things around, and then crank the engine on the starter until you get oil pressure (give the starter 'breaks' to keep it from overheating, be willing to buy a new starter if needed, or get a remote heavy duty starting system that you can bolt to the front of the crankshaft). Check cylinder pressures/leak-down, Repeat. It still doesn't negate the affects of an engine sitting for a long time. The advise I get from my Harley friends is perform the above, expect a short engine life initially and be prepared to rebuild soon. This was after I told them I was doing a complete rebuild on a motor that had been sitting for 20 years and was preface by "If you can get it to start" Just a thought. Mark W. N952MW > -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of John Martindale via KRnet Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2015 7:44 AM To: 'KRnet' Cc: John Martindale Subject: Re: KR> Jim Faughn's engine Yep. I agree Mike. The time lag in getting oil back up the passages to the front could well accelerate wear on starting up and also lead to delays in pumping the lifters back up if it had been standing for a prolonged time. I think the Jabiru engines had s. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> McMinnville
Well written, Mike. On 9/6/2015 6:49 AM, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote: > Thank you John and wife for inviting everyone to such a truly lovely > place. It's all so beautiful up there I'd forgotten what it's like. It > was a wonderful treat to experience such lush vegetation. Abundant > moisture with no feeling of humidity like we'd get in the South (southern > United States). And no "palmetto" bugs. You outdid yourselves with > organization and even though I didn't stay for the whole thing, I thank > you sincerely. > > Coming back home I was expecting to get a little bit back of what I gave > up in speed when fighting mild headwinds going north. Nope. No tailwind > at all leaving MMV and once I got to Mt. Shasta started getting headwinds > which just got worse the further south I got. By the time I got to > Bakersfield the GPS was showing 112 MPH. My still-air cruise is 149 > average. Crossing the LA Basin it felt like I was standing still, and I > practically was. I couldn't drop down to a lower altitude since it was > night time and there are some serious mountains around LA. It was a > beautiful trip though. These graceful little aircraft can do anything > the fancy ones do . . . and do it a lot cheaper. > > I stopped in Merced for fuel and arrived home at 4 in the morning. I > hung around Merced (landed there at 11 PM) because in that dreadful > little Central Valley grape town was the best live raggae I've heard > since I can't remember when. I opened the canopy expecting the silence > that greeted me when I landed there going up. Totally deserted. > Facilities consist of a gas pump and a Porta Potty. Yet this time there > was this amazing music . . . so I followed my ears over to the fence. > Joining the airport was an open air club with fires going and a band from > Sacramento (I learned) called Rege Lark. Wow. I don't listen to > anything anymore, just appreciate silence, but this took me back a couple > decades to a time when the sounds of Jamaica was in my bones. And to > hear it in such an unlikely environment! > > What a great trip. I guess it's worth keeping my plane just to do things > like this once a year. > > Mike > KSEE > > > Buffett?EUR^(TM)s New Enemy > Buffett just confirmed his worst fear. Click here for his warning. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55ec36b01a75f36b0191ast04vuc > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
KR> Gathering
I had a great time and got alot of great ideas.?Thank you Dan and John and everyone else for putting on a great event.? Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705
KR> McMinnville
Thank you John and wife for inviting everyone to such a truly lovely place. It's all so beautiful up there I'd forgotten what it's like. It was a wonderful treat to experience such lush vegetation. Abundant moisture with no feeling of humidity like we'd get in the South (southern United States). And no "palmetto" bugs. You outdid yourselves with organization and even though I didn't stay for the whole thing, I thank you sincerely. Coming back home I was expecting to get a little bit back of what I gave up in speed when fighting mild headwinds going north. Nope. No tailwind at all leaving MMV and once I got to Mt. Shasta started getting headwinds which just got worse the further south I got. By the time I got to Bakersfield the GPS was showing 112 MPH. My still-air cruise is 149 average. Crossing the LA Basin it felt like I was standing still, and I practically was. I couldn't drop down to a lower altitude since it was night time and there are some serious mountains around LA. It was a beautiful trip though. These graceful little aircraft can do anything the fancy ones do . . . and do it a lot cheaper. I stopped in Merced for fuel and arrived home at 4 in the morning. I hung around Merced (landed there at 11 PM) because in that dreadful little Central Valley grape town was the best live raggae I've heard since I can't remember when. I opened the canopy expecting the silence that greeted me when I landed there going up. Totally deserted. Facilities consist of a gas pump and a Porta Potty. Yet this time there was this amazing music . . . so I followed my ears over to the fence. Joining the airport was an open air club with fires going and a band from Sacramento (I learned) called Rege Lark. Wow. I don't listen to anything anymore, just appreciate silence, but this took me back a couple decades to a time when the sounds of Jamaica was in my bones. And to hear it in such an unlikely environment! What a great trip. I guess it's worth keeping my plane just to do things like this once a year. Mike KSEE Buffett???s New Enemy Buffett just confirmed his worst fear. Click here for his warning. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55ec36b01a75f36b0191ast04vuc
KR> Jim Faughn's engine
Gene said, "Michael, sorry but oil level can't be that high or the crank would be fighting to get through the oil on every revolution." Oh well . . . it sure sounded like it made sense. How about the thought that when we shut the engine down the oil that's been circulating then drains thanks to gravity. If the engine is level, it drains evenly. At an angle, it drains to the rear, causing some parts . . . like front bearings . . . getting drained a little better? I guess I'll have to give up on this particular idea I've been carrying around for awhile if you don't think there's anything to it. Someone made the point with me some time back and it "sounded" like it made a lot of sense. Mike Buffett???s New Enemy Buffett just confirmed his worst fear. Click here for his warning. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55ec3151aba133151246est01vuc
