KR> need help

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LEE:

Contact Mark Jones as I think he is the closest with a lot of experience.  
Dubuque is not all that far from me(200 miles or so up the
"Big Ditch") but I don't feel all that competent making the evaluation.  The 
problem with Mark Jones may be a lot of snow but it would be
not more 2 hours for him to fly over if he has his plane sorted out.

Don
  

Lee Van Dyke wrote:

> Netters,
>
> Who is closest to dubuque IA to possibly look at a KR2 for my father?  There 
> is one there that is ready for flight but not yet flown?
>
> Lee Van Dyke
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KR> VFR operations

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To me VFR on top is something approached with great caution as getting caught up
there unqualified or with an unsuitably equiped craft for the situation can lead
to a lot embarrassing questions that might lead to unfavorable consequences as
well they should.

I came back from AZ into the LA basin one afternoon in late June on the theory
and the predicted and usual low stratus would break to scattered to broken woud
occur.  The problem was that I had to fly 1/2 way down the coast toward San
Diego to find a hole and then fly back.which cut me short enough on fuel that I
had to stop at Orange County Arpt(SNA) because of fuel on my way back to Long
Beach Municipal.  I was not in any danger of fuel exhaustion as it turned out
but it certainly gave me a "Wake-Up"call.  This was back in the mid 60's and air
traffic in the area was not like it is now so I don;t do such things anymore as
it is not healthy.  These regs come into being most of the time because of the
stupid things people do not because FAA is trying to throw its weight around.
They do not like going out and picking up folks witha "Stick and a Spoon"

Don
  

Colin Rainey wrote:

> Ken Jones did a great job pasting the correct parts of the FAR/AIM to
> explain the differences between the two clearances, or flying status'.
> Another netter who obviously does not have the back ground or understanding,
> scoffed at the post and said something like it was junk made up by the FAA,
> which is why he "gave up" on the FAA.
>
> A closer read of Ken's post will reveal 2 VERY important facts:
> First, one clearance/status is for VFR operations: VFR over the top. This is
> how you let ATC know you are flying over an overcast or broken layer of
> obscuration, which would usually be used to respond (but not always) to a
> request from ATC to descend while receiving flight following.  It could also
> be a response to ATC after canceling an IFR Flight Plan.
>
> Secondly, the second clearance request or status is for IFR operations only:
> VFR on top. This would or should not be used to describe your status or
> request a clearance while VFR. It used on IFR Flight Plans, to lessen the
> workload of both ATC and the PIC by allowing the PIC to make changes in
> altitude as necessary to maintain VFR, and simply advise ATC, while allowing
> the PIC to remain on his IFR Flight Plan. Separation with other aircraft
> then becomes primarily the PIC's responsibility, but allows for him to
> advise ATC at a later time that he cannot maintain VFR, and return to being
> separated by ATC advisories, and navigate himself (if that is the part of
> his flight plan he is on, etc..).
>
> Both of these clearances/statuses are very important for PICs to be familiar
> with, as is virtually every part of the AIM, because ATC CANNOT "see" clouds
> on the radar. They can only see precipitation, aircraft, etc (something that
> will reflect back a radar echo). They depend heavily on a PIC's visual for
> information.  Most of the pilots on the net are VFR only pilots; however,
> you MUST remain aware that you share the airspace with IFR traffic as well,
> and in many areas this traffic is well below 10,000 feet.  Based on the last
> statistics I read from AOPA, General Aviation Aircraft outnumbered the Air
> Carrier Aircraft by something like 3 to 4 to 1.  Same with the number of
> pilots vs. airline pilots. Less than half of all pilots have a commercial
> rating. This means that alot of us have many many opportunities to come in
> contact with or interact in our airspace with these other pilots.
>
> It may be a big sky, but we are not alone, and it can get crowded...
>
> Colin Rainey
> brokerpi...@bellsouth.net
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KR> Fuel Tanks

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Ken Wiltrout:

FAA Regs do not permit the use of  fuel containing alcohol.  I discovered this
while checking into what was ivvolved in getting an STC to use auto fuel in a
cirtified engine.

Don

kenneth l wiltrout wrote:

> Thanks Larry--Since I had good luck with AeroPoxy I'll probably
> stick with that. My tank is leak free for 7 yrs now. I heard these epoxies
> don't do well if running auto fuel that has alcohol. 100LL should still be a
> safe bet.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-bounces+kwiltrout1953=verizon@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-bounces+kwiltrout1953=verizon@mylist.net] On Behalf Of
> Larry Flesner
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:42 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Tanks
>
> At 07:22 AM 12/4/2006, you wrote:
>
> >When I built 6399U I used AeroPoxy & Cloth to build the header
> >tank-Has anyone used the West System? I run 100LL.
> >Ken Wiltrout
> +
>
> My project started with Safety Poxy II years ago and I kept
> switching as the products disappeared from the market.
> I don't recall exactly which one I used to build the tanks but
> I'm sure I was using the West System four years ago when
> I was repairing the leaks in my left wing tank.   For three years
> I was running auto fuel and I've switched to 100LL the past
> year or so due to availability. (I'm getting it free at the airport
> from our fuel sampling barrel !) So far, no problems.
>
> Larry Flesner
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KR> Turbo's

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Robin:

Do you have your compression ratios switched?  Great Plains engines are 8:1 as 
are most others and Great plains says 95 octane.  10:1 ratios would surely 
require 100 octane.

Don




- Original Message - 
From: "Robin Macdonald" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: KR> Turbo's


> Netheads,
> 
> Something you have to take into consideration when fitting a turbo to a non 
> turbo engine is the compression ratio. 
> 
> A non turbo engine will be in the range about 10 : 1  & a turbo engine will 
> have something like 8 : 1
> 
> Robin.
> 
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KR> Tail Wheels

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Rich:

There is a company named Hamiton Castors(  #http://www.hamiltoncaster.com ) I 
think but I have its catalog but it is in storage so I not sure of  the precise 
name.  I would suggest that you search the net under industrial wheels.

Don Lively
Burlington IA
  

Rich Seifert wrote:

> It's nearly Annual Inspection time and my baby needs a new tail wheel.  I 
> have been using a wheel sold by Dan Diehl, but he no longer sells it.  It was 
> a 3.5" hard rubber tread on an aluminum core using roller bearings and has 
> held up nicely compared to all the other wheels I've used.  I've been using 
> it for about 4 or 5 years.  Does anyone have a recommendation for a really 
> good 3.5 to 4.0" diameter by 1.5" wheel.  I looked through McMaster Carr and 
> ACS without finding anything that I thought would work well.  I would like 
> ball or roller bearings with an aluminum core and hard rubber tread.
> Thanks
> Rich Seifert KR-2 N56SR
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KR> Check out 10News.com - Image KR bellies in at SanDeigogearfailure

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Netters

Do you mean Lancaire(sp)?  Aren't Glassaire High Wing?   Anyway the vert. 
stabilizer is "Raked" back to much and the KR would have a tail wheel.

Don




- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Payne" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:43 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Check out 10News.com - Image KR bellies in at 
SanDeigogearfailure


> My vote, Glasair II RG.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
> Of Mark Langford
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:40 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> Check out 10News.com - Image KR bellies in at San
> Deigogearfailure
> 
> Are you sure that's not a Glasair?  It looks like a Glasair tail and flaps, 
> at least from where I sit in Alabama...
> 
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net 
> 
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KR> Back in the air.

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Mark & Randy:

If you had water in the fuel at those temperatures adiabetic cooling could form
Ice in Carb Venturi.

Don

Randy Powell wrote:

> Any chance of carb ice ???.,
>
> Randy Powell
> Wachapreague Va.
>
> randywpow...@verizon.net
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Jones" 
> To: "Corvair Net" ; "KRnet" 
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:05 PM
> Subject: KR> Back in the air.
>
> N886MJ took to the skies again today. Beautiful morning, no wind, clear
> skies and 45°. I taxied out and firewalled her. . Then it happenedthe
> engine hiccupped and started running rough. . I don't know what caused that
> hiccup. Water in the fuel maybe?
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
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KR> Diesel Engines

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Barry & Serge& others:

Can any of the Euro or non US KR-list people get any more specs on this
engine such as its weight and dimensions.

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52601



http://www.autospectator.com/modules/news/print.php?storyid=1461

KR> Interesting landing at LAM

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Jeff:

Public indecency?

Grins

Don



- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 7:09 PM
Subject: KR> Interesting landing at LAM


> 
> Interesting landing as two Bonanzas landed stacked on top of each other
> at my airport today.  Both approached the airport simultaneously, with
> one apparently on the wrong frequency.
> http://www.krqe.com/expanded.asp?ID=18029
> 
> Jeff Scott
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KR> How to make an alternator look like a magneto??

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Bob:

I concurr!  Every safety instruction I have that accompanied every
rotating tool that I have and safety proceedures every place I have worked
require or advise no gloves, loose fitting or long sleeved clothes or
jewelry.

Complacency is a big problem, often until it is to late

Eye protection is another critical area.

Don

bob wrote:

> I can't comment on the drive puck installation, but a chill went up
> my spine when I saw the picture of the guy running the lathe with
> heavy gloves on.  I've seen what a drill press can do to a gloved
> hand, bet a lathe accident would be even juicier.
>
> Bob
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KR> azusa axel question

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Fred:

The KR2 project I took over had the Diehl Main Gear in the Tri gear position 
with 5/8" axles.  I purchased the Hyd brake kit for the Azusa 5" Wheels.  It 
was necessary to change the length of an Aluminum spacer bushing so the Brake 
Rotor did not interfere with the gear leg.  This was easilly made from 3/4 inch 
OD 1/16 wall aluminum tube x 1" long +/-.  Some trial and error may be necesary 
to get the length just right depending on what you have available to measure it 
with.

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52601



Don Lively
- Original Message - 
From: "James Leverton" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 2:38 PM
Subject: KR> azusa axel question


> When using the azusa axels with hydraulic brakes,  do you buy the axels for 
> with or without brakes?  Is the with brakes axels for the mechanical brakes 
> only?  thanks  for any help.Jim
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KR> Fuselage weight question

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I also agree with Mark from my exp. in Cessna 150's.  The older ones, say '61 
modles and B-4, were faster that the newer ones with the "Bubble Cabin" with 
the same 100 hp. Continental Engine.

Don



- Original Message - 
From: "Fred Johnson" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 2:42 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Fuselage weight question


>I agree with Mark, look at the RV4 series and the Harmon Rocket
> 
> Fred Johnson
> Product Manager
> T.E. West, LLC.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
> Behalf Of Mark Langford
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:03 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> Fuselage weight question
> 
> Red wrote:
> 
>> My question is, Has anyone tried to reduce (lower) the
>> turtledeck in size...i.e. more like the KR1?  It seems
>> logical that you should be able to lower the taper,
>> give more bubble effect (increase rearward visibility)
>> from the canopy and reduce weight?
> 
> Reducing the taper to resemble a bubble will cost you in performance in
> the 
> form of drag on the back of the canopy.  That's probably why the KR2
> went to 
> the straight turtledeck.  And plexiglas is probably heavier than your 
> average turtledeck material per square foot.
> 
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net 
> 
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KR> (no subject)

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Mike:

I would suggest a  visit to Great Plains Aviation's website.  They have weights
and data for all the VW based engines from the 1600 cc on up and will respond
to your E-mailed questions.  You may also download and print out their
offerings.

They are located in Omaha NE.

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52601
  

mplane...@aol.com wrote:

> Hey Netters, I am contemplating type 1 VW2180CC and type 4. I was wondering
> what the weight differences are vs power output.
> KR2 builder in NC.
> Mike Simpson
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KR> Alternative Engines

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Netters:

I read an article in the Oct. 26th  Wall Street Journal that drew my attention 
to Fiat's 1.3 liter (1259 cc) Diesel engine that is being used in many Euro 
small cars.  This peeked my interest in light of a couple of entrys that 
appeared on this forum so I investigated on the net.

The performance specs for that engine are 69 hp and 125 ft. lb of  torque at 
2000 rpm which is interesting.  What I have not been able to find is the weight 
of this engine with its injector pump and all things needed to make it run plus 
of course the cooling and electrical systems.   

I invision then that it would need to find "Jet A" or the diesel fuel used by 
the military to be acceptable.

Are their any KR-Netters out there that can obtain weights and reliability info 
on this engine?  This may need to come from some of Non-USA contributers since 
diesel are not all that common here.

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52601 




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KR> G rating / WAF

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Larry et al:

I did some checking onn this a while back and compared the Official KR rating to
prod. spam cans, particularly cessna 172s & 177s which is around 4 g according 
to
what I was told by a 177 owner.

That said we should remember that certified aircraft will have a much more
consistent level of QC!

Don
  

Larry Flesner wrote:

> At 04:03 AM 9/21/2006, you wrote:
> >It doesn't really matter, but keep in mind, those G numbers are at the
> >design" weight.  I read a long time ago, that the KR specs were +7 and -4 G.
> >Daniel R. Heath

KR> Operation costs- RE: Auto Fuel

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Netters:

While in St. Louis I saw a "Pep-Boys" add that had a handy thing for KR folks
that transport their Craft to & from the port!  It was a 15 gallon gas tank
built onto a hand truck with an integral 12 volt transfer pump that could cary
15 gallons of gas.

This would certainly be a lot more handy than  man handling 5 gal cans and
likely a good deal safer for the craft & all concerned.

Don
  

Larry Flesner wrote:

>  Will you be able to  burn auto fuel?
>

KR> Higher H.P. from your engine.

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Ron:

My son told me that this is the "In-Thing" among "Street Racers" in Las Vegas
when he was working there as a "Craps-Dealer" at the Barbary Coast and at
Caesars Palace casinos on the strip.-- very very hard on the engines though with
many engine disintegrations resulting in vehicle occupant fatalities!

I suspect not a real good place to go except for the foolish.

Don
  




"Ronald R.Eason" wrote:

> I found this article in Power and Performance magazine.  Some day this my
> make it's way into aircraft engines some day . It interest me because back
> in the 60's when I was running rocket engine tests one of our oxidizers in
> some of the engines was nitrous oxide it's a kin to red fuming nitric acid.
> A little goes a long way.  I would like to experiment with this some day in
> an aircraft engine. Properly controlled it will work well to give safe HP
> increases.
>
> FYI,
>
>  While there has never been any question as to the wonderful power inducing
> performance gained by injecting nitrous oxide into your engine, it has also
> been surrounded by some total misconceptions.
>
> So we're here to clear the air. The following are what we believe to be the
> top three myths about nitrous injection and its effects on your engine.
> Remember, if you have any specific questions about nitrous oxide, call our
> toll free NITROUS HELPT line at 1-888-817-1008, and we'll be glad to help.
>
> Myth number 1:  Nitrous will blow up my engine!
> Simply stated, nitrous, properly installed according to the manufacturer's
> instructions, will not blow up your engine. Today, nitrous is still the
> easiest and safest way to greatly increase your engine's horsepower. Where
> people run into problems is when they get greedy. With today's modern
> nitrous systems, all that is required is approximately two minutes to change
> the nitrous and fuel jets, which will add an additional 50, 100, even 300
> horsepower. Often, beginners try to push the window, figuring if everything
> appears to be running fine, a "little" more nitrous can't hurt their engine.
> Caught up in the excitement, the novice nitrous user often forgets to make
> the proper (and safe) engine adjustments in accordance with the increased
> nitrous jet sizing. The most commonly overlooked adjustments include
> forgetting to retard the ignition timing, not changing to "colder" heat
> range spark plugs, and in some cases, not installing an increased flow
> capacity fuel pump to deliver sufficient fuel flow. The result is a nitrous
> system that is not correctly installed for safe operation, making engine
> damage inevitable. As long as the installer follows the manufacturer's
> tuning instructions and advice with regard to engine adjustments and vehicle
> upgrades, they will have safe, reliable power gains that will not harm their
> engine in any way.
>
> Myth number 2:  Blowers and turbos are safer than nitrous injection!
> A properly installed nitrous system offers virtually the same level of
> engine safety as supercharger and turbocharger enhancements. Forced
> induction engine kits are most commonly complete packages that include fuel
> system and computer tuning upgrades. This allows the manufacturer to build a
> safe computer "tune-up" into the system they provide. That concept is fine,
> but adding all those extras dramatically raises the cost of the upgrade by
> thousands of dollars. With a nitrous system, the manufacturer provides
> precisely what is required to safely use nitrous, as well as detailed
> recommendations when fuel and ignition upgrades are necessary. The beauty of
> this information is that the customer makes the decision as to how far they
> can go with their nitrous system based on their specific upgrades. A person
> spraying a 75 hp shot of nitrous doesn't require a fuel pump upgrade, so why
> should they have to pay extra for one? But a person that wants to spray a
> 200 hp shot will definitely need to increase the fuel flow as well as the
> ignition system performance. When it comes right down to it, a nitrous
> system is just as safe as a blower or turbo kit as long as it's installed
> with the fuel and ignition system upgrades needed for the power level you
> want to run.
>
> Myth number 3:  Nitrous oxide is the same thing as nitro methane!
> Nitrous oxide and nitro methane are not the same thing - not even close!
> Many people, especially those casual spectators of Top Fuel/Funny Car drag
> racing competition, think that nitrous and nitro are the same fuel. Having
> watched their favorite racers explode engines while making a 300mph run down
> the quarter mile, they believe that nitrous will also cause their engines to
> blow up. Nothing could be further from the truth. Nitro methane used in Top
> Fuel competition is a very volatile liquid fuel and only racing engines
> designed specifically for this fuel can handle its huge power and
> destructive force. In 

KR> Higher H.P. from your engine.

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Ron:

It is a bad enough situation that if you are caught with a modified car on the
streets the police seize the car and you go to jail and a very large fine.

In any case still stupid.  I'll settle for a turbo that will limit boost to
maintain sea level performance to altitude say 15,000 ft

Don
  

"Ronald R.Eason" wrote:

> These guys are racing heads.  Nitrous is a rocket engine oxidizer and not
> properly handled can bit you, just like gasoline, but everyone knows how to
> handle it. I would be most of those guys don't know its potential or what
> they are playing with. With them it trial and error. They are adding 50 to
> 100% or 200% more power. The engines will not take the stress. But adding
> 10% or 15%, like a turbo may work, without the weight, then only using it
> when you need it. Proper flow control is how to apply it.
>
> Just a thought!
>
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> [mailto:krnet-bounces+ron=jrl-engineering@mylist.net] On Behalf Of D F
> Lively
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:32 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> Higher H.P. from your engine.
>
> Ron:
>
> My son told me that this is the "In-Thing" among "Street Racers" in Las
> Vegas
> when he was working there as a "Craps-Dealer" at the Barbary Coast and at
> Caesars Palace casinos on the strip.-- very very hard on the engines though
> with
> many engine disintegrations resulting in vehicle occupant fatalities!
>
> I suspect not a real good place to go except for the foolish.
>
> Don
>   
>
> "Ronald R.Eason" wrote:
>
> > I found this article in Power and Performance magazine.  Some day this my
> > make it's way into aircraft engines some day . It interest me because back
> > in the 60's when I was running rocket engine tests one of our oxidizers in
> > some of the engines was nitrous oxide it's a kin to red fuming nitric
> acid.
> > A little goes a long way.  I would like to experiment with this some day
> in
> > an aircraft engine. Properly controlled it will work well to give safe HP
> > increases.
> >
> > FYI,
> >
> >  While there has never been any question as to the wonderful power
> inducing
> > performance gained by injecting nitrous oxide into your engine, it has
> also
> > been surrounded by some total misconceptions.
> >
> > So we're here to clear the air. The following are what we believe to be
> the
> > top three myths about nitrous injection and its effects on your engine.
> > Remember, if you have any specific questions about nitrous oxide, call our
> > toll free NITROUS HELPT line at 1-888-817-1008, and we'll be glad to help.
> >
> > Myth number 1:  Nitrous will blow up my engine!
> > Simply stated, nitrous, properly installed according to the manufacturer's
> > instructions, will not blow up your engine. Today, nitrous is still the
> > easiest and safest way to greatly increase your engine's horsepower. Where
> > people run into problems is when they get greedy. With today's modern
> > nitrous systems, all that is required is approximately two minutes to
> change
> > the nitrous and fuel jets, which will add an additional 50, 100, even 300
> > horsepower. Often, beginners try to push the window, figuring if
> everything
> > appears to be running fine, a "little" more nitrous can't hurt their
> engine.
> > Caught up in the excitement, the novice nitrous user often forgets to make
> > the proper (and safe) engine adjustments in accordance with the increased
> > nitrous jet sizing. The most commonly overlooked adjustments include
> > forgetting to retard the ignition timing, not changing to "colder" heat
> > range spark plugs, and in some cases, not installing an increased flow
> > capacity fuel pump to deliver sufficient fuel flow. The result is a
> nitrous
> > system that is not correctly installed for safe operation, making engine
> > damage inevitable. As long as the installer follows the manufacturer's
> > tuning instructions and advice with regard to engine adjustments and
> vehicle
> > upgrades, they will have safe, reliable power gains that will not harm
> their
> > engine in any way.
> >
> > Myth number 2:  Blowers and turbos are safer than nitrous injection!
> > A properly i

KR> Poly-Ethyline Stick welding.

[D F Lively]

Netters:

Hase anyone explored stick welding Poly-Ethylene or propylene plastics
to say 1/16th inch thick max--- non Structural

Don

KR> which store

[D F Lively]

I have ordered exclusively from ACS and have never had to ask& they told
me where it was coming from.  I, however, always ask price & availability
when I  order over the phone and I almost never use a credit card on line
because it can leave to many tracks tied back to me. --ID theft concerns

What I do not like is them busting orders into small shipments because it
inflate my shipping charges. although Wicks in Chicago is closer.  I do
not like the clairity of  wicks online catalog

Don
  

Randy Smith wrote:

> I know in the past when I would order they would tell
> me which one had it and that store would send it.
> Maybe because you live to close to the east cost
> store. I am in the middle.I have ordered from wicks
> and when I sent it back they charge me a 15%
> restocking fee because it did not get back to them
> within 30 days. ACS has never charged me a restocking
> fee. No matter how long it was.
>
> I also thought that.  But, after on the phone with 3
> people at ACS. I
> learned that when I now order I ask about
> availability, and if not
> available then What about the other store?  Apparently
> they don't just
> automatically decide which store it comes from
>
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KR> its official

[D F Lively]

Paul:

Congradulations on owning a real Airplane and sorry  bout the state thing 
though.

Don
  

airgu...@comcast.net wrote:

> I received an innocent looking white postcard today. Seems that it is the 
> registration for N7970K, a stretched KR2 lurking in my workshop. OhOh, guess 
> this means I've got to geterdone and flying.  I know that the state will now 
> send a bill. Another milepost on the trip to aircraft!
>
> --
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> KR2 Stretched
> Derry, NH
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KR> engine start

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Myron:

Isit possible that there may be alot of ways to deal with this issue?  So many
infact that alot depends on a whole host of considerations to the point that
what one person does makes for differnces such as sepation from the firewall
andthe kind of cowl mods and many other things.

I raise the question so that I may not back myself into a corner that can be
easily avoided.

Don
  

"Myron (Dan) Freeman" wrote:

> Yeah, I'm using a 3" also.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "JIM RALEIGH" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> engine start
>
> >I am using a 3 inch extension for my 0200. I don't know how you would put a
> > cowling on it otherwise.
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Randy Smith" 
> > To: "KRnet" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 6:16 PM
> > Subject: RE: KR> engine start
> >
> >
> >> I put an 0-200 on my KR-2 and did not use an
> >> extension. The closer the prop is to the plane the
> >> better of. Especially if you do aerobatics, witch it
> >> will do very well.
> >>
> >> --- Boyd James E LtCol 437 ADOS/CC
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have an engine question.  I also have an 0-200.
> >> > do we need to have a
> >> > prop extension.  I have the Diehl cowling but it
> >> > isn't fitted yet.  I
> >> > have someone finishing up that for me and we need to
> >> > know before we do
> >> > the final fitting.
> >> >
> >> > James Boyd, LTC, USAF, MC, SFS
> >> > 437th ADOS/CC
> >> > Charleston AFB, SC  29404
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net
> >> > [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
> >> > Behalf Of JIM RALEIGH
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:07 PM
> >> > To: KRnet
> >> > Subject: KR> engine start
> >> >
> >> > ye-ha.  Well not quite but at least woopee.
> >> >
> >> > I started my 0200 last night that I removed from my
> >> > citabria 4 years
> >> > ago.  I had spent the last week or more getting
> >> > every thing hooked up
> >> > properly,.  I had spent a week modifying the exhaust
> >> > to make it fit
> >> > inside a streamlined cowling.  Then several days on
> >> > the control cables
> >> > to the mixture and throttle and carburator heat and
> >> > oil lines ect.  When
> >> > I pulled the starter cable it fire up like it
> >> > handn't been filled with
> >> > 23 quarts of oil.  Not even a puff of smoke.  It
> >> > idled perfectly and
> >> > strained at the rope I had the tail tied down with.
> >> > No big deal but it
> >> > made me feel good to hear it run again.
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> >>
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KR> Plans

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Ron & others:

I purchased my first set of plans in '76 or '77 from Ken Rand personally when I 
lived in Irvine CA.  I later exchanged these plans in to pick up revisions in 
'80 or '81withe him personally for a  fee.  Subsequently I lost my reciept and 
since my plans were purchased before numbers were recorded I felt I might have 
the problem with documentation as is being discussed here. I contacted Ms. Rand 
to try and resolve the matter and she retuned my call and we
discussed the problem thoroughly and she said she would get back to me and she 
never did.

I do not know what the problem is other than perhaps Ken to begin with was 
keeping pretty loose records and so after his death the records were messed up. 
 I know I had a reciept and it must have been lost through one of my multiple 
moves so what is one to do in such a case.  I realize that this could look like 
a fraud on its surface but it is not.

This is somewhat of a mute issue as I took over a project that has a plans 
number so I feel that I am legal however I have attemted to contact Ms. Rand to 
notify her of my aquisition of the project complete with the plans and she has 
yet to respond.  that was done in March or early April of this year.  Again 
what is one to do. I have two legitimate sets of plansthe way I see it but I 
also think an argument can be made that I do not.

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52601
  

Red ya sure wrote:

> I am not an expert on copyrights, but there are several in my name, so I do 
> have a bit of knowledge...once you buy the blueprints, they are yours!  If 
> you choose to give them away, cut them up, or share them, thats OK.   It is 
> probably implied, that the blueprints include a license to build one (1) 
> plane.  but  AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT PROFIT FROM THEIR EFFORTS...IT'S 
> PROBABLY LEGALSorry, but morals and ethics are not taken into  
> consideration.
> RED
>
> Ron Freiberger  wrote: What part of "Thou shalt 
> not steal" seems mysterious to you?
>
> Ron Freiberger
>
> mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink@mylist.net] On Behalf
> Of Kenhenderson
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:38 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: KR> Plans
>
> Thanks to all who replied to my first post. I have several dumb
> questions to ask about plans. I have 2 sets, 1 from 1975 with a serial #
> and 1 from 1984 with no number. It has been advised that I contact
> Jeanette Rand and have my name transferred to the numbered plans. Do you
> have to have a set of plans registered to you in order to build a legal,
> registered airplane? What prevents a person from copying a set of plans
> and using them for construction? Ethics perhaps? Would a new set of
> plans have noticeable improvements over the ones I have and would it be
> advantageous to order said plans? Please answer on or off net to my
> e-mail address. Still looking for a fixed main gear to replace the
> retracts. Thanks, Ken
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>  RED
>
>
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KR> KR canopy

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Ron:

I sent him an E-mail that I would be coming down with an  ETA of 1500
sat.  Hesent me an answer that I might have to wait a short time for him
to get home from work so I told him that I would push it back toward close
to 1600.

No Answer yet.

Don
  

Ronald Wright wrote:

> Hi Don,
>
> Are you still planning on going to Quincy for the
> canopy?  Travis changed his mind about selling parts I
> guess??  Wanted me to make him an offer on one canopy
> and the cowl..  Have not heard back from him yet.
>
> Ron
>
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KR> Plans

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Mark:

They came complete with the project I took over and they are a numbered set and
are additional to the set that I purchased from Ken Rand.

I phoned RR to notify her for her records on the project I took over and she
has yet to respond.

Don Lively.
Burlington IA 52601
  

Mark Langford wrote:

> Kenhenderson wrote:
>
> >Do you have to have a set of plans registered to you in order to build a
> legal, registered airplane?
>
> I don't think this was really answered yet.  No, you don't.  In the US you
> can build whatever you want and call it whatever you want.  The FAA doesn't
> care if you even had a set of plans to go by.  In fact, if you deviate too
> far from the plans, RR would probably prefer you call it something else.
> You could build it from whatever plans you want and still call it a "Ken
> Henderson Special" and assign it a serial number of 001, or whatever.
>
> Ethics is another matter, but if you paid somebody for the plans,  you now
> own them, and if you want to have the registration transfered with RR,
> she'll do that for you...eventually...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
> --
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KR> KR Gathering ---Homecoming?

[D F Lively]

Brian:

Original location of Revmaster as well.

Don
  

Brian Kraut wrote:

> It is also right by Chino airport which is a wonderfull place to visit.  I
> don't know if doing something right at Chino would work, but certainly many
> field trips there would be in order.  Chino has a great heritage, especially
> with homebuilts.  The museums there are first rate and have some things you
> won't see anywhere else.  I very highly recommend for anyone that ever
> happens to be in the area with extra time pay a visit there.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt@mylist.net]On Behalf Of
> Steve Glover
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:02 PM
> To: 'KRnet'
> Subject: RE: KR> KR Gathering ---Homecoming?
>
> Unfortunately, Meadowlark airport is not there any longer. It is now a
> bunch of condos.  The closest non-controlled field is Corona where
> Richard Shirley, Richard Seifert, and I are located. I wouldn't mind
> having a Gathering there.  It would not be a bad place for the event.
> Close to major airports for those taking commercial.  I guess everyone
> can ponder that until Mt Vernon and decide then...
>
> -Original Message-
>
> Glenda and I were talking and she came up with an interesting idea.
> Why not a gathering in California at Kens airport or area?  Visit
> Janette?  That way Steve Glover  doesnt get the longest distance award -
> A kind of Kr homecoming.   Be nice to send in photo to Sport Aviation of
> 25 KRs and a bunch of people in front of the KR birthplaceThoughts?
>
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KR> For sale, some is sold

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Travis:

I will still come down and look over what you have but the Canopy and perhaps
some foam is all I realy need.  I suspect that if you part it down to far may
have some problems selling what is left.  If for no other reason I would like
to see some of the original kit material 1st  hand for my own education &
enlightenment.

I plan on being there after 1500 closer to 1600.

Don
  



Travis Woods wrote:

> I sold one of my canopies last night so i now only have the clear one left
>
>   Travis
>
> Check me out!
>
>
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KR> For Sale

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Travis:

I do not Have a canopy and would be interested in any thing elseand perhaps 
some foam.  I took over a project and it is on its gear with the wings, boat 
and Tail-feathers together but finish work is rough as yet..  The only major 
airframe part I lack is the Canopy
but my canopy frame is questionable.

I could come down this saturday and see what you have.

Donald F. Lively
Burlington IA 52601


Travis Woods wrote:

> let me know what u want but i want to be able to sale one whole plane
>
>
> D F Lively <riksh...@interl.net> wrote:
>   Travis:
>
> If you have 2nd thoughts on selling any pieces let me know.
>
> Don Lively
> Burlington IA 52601
> 
>
> Travis Woods wrote:
>
> > I have a started KR2 for sale, plus enough wood and foam to build a 2nd 
> > plane. I have two canopies, one pair of tips (for the wings) one set of 
> > landing gear and wheels and tires. I also have a VW block. There is also a 
> > fiber glass gas tank. One front cowling.
> >
> > The boat is pretty much done
> >
> > I want to sale all of it and will not brake it up. Please make me an offer. 
> > I have pictures if you would like to see them.
> >
> > Please contact me through e-mail and if you are real interested, I'll give 
> > you my phone number. I am in Quincy, IL. My name is Travis
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > -
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KR> Re: CorvAircraft> near miss?

[D F Lively]

In  '71 I was east bound at 9500' over the Meteor crator in AZ and
encountered an F4 going the opposite way all I saw was a spot comming fast
and then he was gone.  I reported the incident and about 3 months later I got
a letter of apology from a "Wing Commander @ El Toro MCAS.  They grounded the
dude for 6 months for flying at speeds allowed at the flight level and flying
at the wrong altitude for the direction of travel.

I am sure he had ne on his radar but it sure scared the hell out of me.  He
was probably practicing an interecept or something stupid like that.  Ah the
wild western skies.

Don
  

jscott.pi...@juno.com wrote:

> Actually, it generates some healthy discussion as well as the usual net
> hoopla.
>
> One thing worth mentioning is that Mark said his Transponder was out for
> repairs.  If he would have had a functioning transponder, he would
> probably have never seen the Grumman as the Grumman would have seen him
> on TCAS and would have deviated to avoid him.  Additionally, the Grumman
> was probably on an IFR flight plan and would have been advised by center
> to deviate for traffic.
>
> I have met a C-210 head on at 11,500 while enroute from Phoenix to Los
> Alamos.  From the time from when you see him until he is past you with a
> head on closing speed of 300+ knots is only a second or two.  Very little
> time to react.  It's a good reason to have a transponder and maybe use
> flight following if you're up high where you can mix it up with the big
> boys.  Sometimes the big sky isn't quite big enough.
>
> Jeff Scott
> N1213W
>
>
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:58:36 -0500 "Mark Langford" 
> writes:
>
> > Maybe I should have pointed out that I was flying at 9500' for most
> > of the
> > trip, in widely scattered clouds.  9500' was a "proper" atltitude
> > given my
> > heading, which was about 2 degrees off from straight north.  At one
> > point
> > there was a rather large cloud in front of me, so in order to meet
> > FAA
> > minimum cloud clearance, I climbed as high as I could without
> > breaking the
> > 10,000' limit, since I had no transponder at the time.  I usually
> > make a
> > habit of flying at either 9500' or 10,500', but lately my
> > transponder's been
> > in the shop so I have to use 8500' and 9500'.   I climbed to '
> > (I was
> > really kidding about that, but I climbed somewhat over 9500 feet to
> > put some
> > distance between me and the cloud, since at that time of day they
> > tend to be
> > rising).  I believe it's allowed to deviate from the odd 500' rule
> > if
> > climbing or decending, which is what I was doing at the time.
> >
> > At times I mention "buzzing" something like my friend's house or my
> > own
> > house.  These are not below 500' AGL, as I do live in a sparsely
> > populated
> > area.  I guess I need to tone down or eliminate the "pilot reports",
> > because
> > they only seem to generate a whole bunch of hoopla that has nothing
> > to do
> > with either KRs or CorvAircraft, so consider it the end of such
> > comments
> > from me...
> >
> > Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> > see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
> > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> Drilling template for Precision Vertical Card Compass

[D F Lively]

Colin, Pete et ALL:

This discussion on compass cards being different in the northern & southern
Hemispere makes no sense.

Magnets have North Pole and a South Pole!

The south pole of the Magnet always points north!

I can not for the life of me understand why anyone would think the south pole of
the magnet on the compass card would suddenly point south because you crossed
the Equator.  That would require the south pole of the magnet on the compass
card to suddenly change polarity.  I do not see how that is possible.

If  my reasoning is wrong, please set me straight and prove it.

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52601

pedro wrote:

> I don't think so Colin.
>
> that would make for very interesting behaviour when crossing the equator
> :-))
>
> Pete Diffey,
> St Albans, UK
>
> Colin Rainey wrote:
>
> >Serge
> >It is my understanding that it will work fine as the magnetic attraction
> >will be to the South Pole, but the indications will be reversed: your North
> >indication will be to the SOUTH POLE, so as long as you know that is what
> >you are seeing, then no confusion. All the quirks of the compass, ie: lead
> >and lag reverse in the Southern Hemisphere. You might get really good at
> >math conversions when given headings by approach control, cause you will
> >always be 180 degrees out.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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KR> Precision Vertical Card Compass - Northern VS Southern

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Ken:

What you are saying is that it is "Dip Correction" that is the problem and
that I might accept as I can see how it might interfere with the free swing of
the needle, something that I am certain  commercial aircraft compasses have
accomodated by using a more expensive design.  Lets face it the number of
general Aviation craft that would venture far out of their hemisphere would be
few and not worth installing the more expensive compasses.

Don
  

"Kenneth B. Jones" wrote:

> "An interesting detail is that there are northern- and southern-hemisphere
> compasses. This has to do with the fact that the magnetic field lines, to
> which a compass needle aligns, point into the earth at the north and south
> magnetic poles. In the northern hemisphere the north end of the needle is
> pulled downwards, and the south end is counterweighted to balance the
> needle."
>
> Now doesn't that make more sense than the the needle spinning around and
> around when you cross the equator?  :-)
>
> Ken Jones
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KR> Southern Hemi Compass

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Colin:

But I'll bet they are at opposite ends of the same axis.

Don
  

Colin Rainey wrote:

> Tell a Friend
>
> Where does a compass really point?
>
> A compass in the Northern Hemisphere truely does point in a northerly
> direction, but not to the North Pole. Instead, the compass points to the
> North Magnetic Pole, which, as Sir James Clark Ross discovered in 1831, is
> located at the northernmost point of the Artic coast of North America.
> Similarly, a compass in the Southern hemisphere always points to the South
> Magnetic Pole, which is firmly planted south of Australia, in Antarctica.
>
> For the complete story here is the link:
>
> http://www.coolquiz.com/trivia/explain/docs/compass.asp
>
> AND YES IT DOES ACT FUNNY CROSSING. That is why there is extra training to
> fly international along with extra licensing.
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KR> RE: Compass

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Dave:

That being the case then you should be able to send it in and have it
adjusted.  The Dip angle adjustment makes particularly if you are if your
operating area is close to a magnetic pole where the Dip angle is likely
steep.

Don
  

David Winsett wrote:

> >From the Wikipedia:
>
> "Because Earth's magnetic field varies at different
> latitudes, compasses are often balanced during
> manufacture. Most manufacturers balance their compass
> needles for one of five zones, ranging from zone 1,
> covering most of the Northern Hemisphere, to zone 5
> covering Australia and the southern oceans. This
> balancing prevents excessive dipping of one end of the
> needle which can cause the compass card to stick and
> give false readings."
>
> dave
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KR> Oshkosh Flight Report

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Larry:

I flew a 145 HP(6 cyl Franklin/Cont I think) '56/'57 172 from CA in '65, at  
75%  power it would do 119 and had about a 4-1/2 range on 36 usable gallonsbut 
gas was at most 50 cents a gallon.  The last 172  I flew from the west coast 
back here I thing was good for about 130 mph @ 75% using a 150 HP Lyc. I do not 
think a 172 can do 135 kts flat out as my friend in
Dallas flies a 177-fixed gear and i think is 75% cruise is 140 mph and he has a 
180 hp Lyc. in his with a constant speed prop.

Don
  

"Larry H." wrote:

> Depending on the year of the 172 ?  All the old ones would max out at about 
> 118mph much less 135 knots !!  I am not sure a new 172 could do the 135 
> knots. Maybe they can. Probably shouldn't have been in the 2500 ft line.
>   I have been behind plenty of the same in my Bonanza, circling the lake at 
> Lakeland Florida for Sun n Fun. I looked left just in time to save myself 
> from having a 172 wheel come through my side window in that circle a few 
> years ago. Again, a 172 decending into our ring of flight from who knows 
> where. People not adhereing to the 100 knt thing they had there then.
>
>   Larry H.
>
>
>
> Mark Jones  wrote:
>   Dana,
> Yes I am aware of the 135 knots at 2500 feet but this 172 was no where near
> base when he dropped in on me. We were between Ripon and Fisk. Still a long
> ways from base.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Dana Overall"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 4:56 PM
> Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Flight Report
>
> > >From: "Mark Jones"
> >
> > I happened to look straight up above me and all
> > of a sudden I was looking at the rivets on the bottom of a Cessna 172.
> > This
> > guy
> > could not have been more than a 100 feet above me. I could see the treads
> > on
> > his
> > tires. Where the hell did he come from? What should I do? At this point,
> > luckily
> > I had good separation between me and Dyke so I throttled up and got out in
> > front
> > of the Cessna. I never seen him again and I presume he settled in between
> > me
> > and
> > the 16 RV's behind me.
> >
> >
> > READ THE NOTAMS!!
> >
> > That 172 you are talking about Mark, dropped out of 2500' feet or so on
> > base
> > between Alpha Flight and Bravo Flight of those 16 RV's. BTW, the 16 ship
> > flight was all FFI Cardholders and had prior approval for the 4x4x4x4
> > landing. I watched a tube and fabric taildragger land on 36 while 18 was
> > hot. Geez, it's a wonder Oshkosh doesn't just say the heck with some of
> > these jockies and confiscate their airplanes.
> >
> > Dana Overall
> > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host
> > Richmond, KY i39
> > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> > O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
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> > do not archive
> >
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KR> Re-Oshkosh Flight Report

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Bob:

The last one I flew had a 75% power cruise of around 130 mph and would maybe 
top out around 140 so perhaps with the 150 HP Lyc 120 kts or so max.  I dont 
even think the Cardinal with the 150/160 HP Lyc could do 135 knts.  I know the 
150 HP cardinal could not because I have time in one and that was one with
the Laminar flow wing.

Don
  

Bob wrote:

>  118mph much less 135 knots !!  I am not sure a new 172 could do the 135 knots>
>
> I don't know much about flying But I thank what the original post said that 
> the 172 dropped down so if that was the case the 172 wouldn't have to be able 
> to fly  at 135 knots at cruise. If desending he could easy fly at 135 knots 
> or more. even still it would have been a shock to have some one to do that.
> Bob
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KR> center spars and wing tanks

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Dan:

Jeanette is not Ken and I would bet money that on any question they would say
stick to the plans in a CYA move.if for no other reason.

Don

Dan Heath wrote:

> RR says a lot of stuff, like an empty weight of 480# and max gross of 900
> something.  You know what I say to that.
> Hey, they probably say not to make the sides vertical, also???
>
> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
> is OVER.
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
> ---Original Message---
>
> From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY
> Date: 08/05/06 08:29:20
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: Re: KR> center spars and wing tanks
>
> R R says; DO NOT lengthen the center spars! If you are an
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KR> A cautionary tale

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Bob:

Such is life in the "Take over" world.  I took over a project where the guy 
decided he
had to re-set the stick lower to the point rwhere the spar limited the sticks 
forward
travel so the D.S. notched the top of the spar and spent alot of time trying to 
figure
out how to avoid tearin out the center spar and starting over again.  There 
have been
some other issues but that was a biggie.

Don
  

bearlk...@aol.com wrote:

> Netters;
> I just bought a KR2 project with Diehl wing skins. The builder had used the
> wrong glue and very poor technique to assemble the wings. It took me less than
> an hour and a couple of hand tools to ply them apart. The glue simply did not
> adhere to the wing skin, the bonds popped apart with hand pressure. The
> builder was obviously not a man to follow instructions, and I felt it was at 
> least
> an amusing cautionary tale.
> Had this gotten to the air, it would have delaminated very quickly. OUCH!
> (the seller was a gracious gent from Tx and not the builder, he let me know 
> what
> the issues were up front.)
> Incedently, I am very pleased with my purchase, I will salvage the skins and
> use a lot of the other parts to save a fair amount of time and money.
>
> Bob Polgreen
> Boat stage and parts
> Nowthen MN
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KR> A cautionary tale

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Larry:

Worse than that I have found no reason for him to have set the stick ass'y
so low on the spar!  Still have not ffigured that one out but it has been
fixed but it sure created a lot of difficulty  to much of this was done
originally without much in the way and now had to be done with several jigs
and things to assure things went in the right place so as not to set of a
chain reation of corrections.

Don
  






Larry Flesner wrote:

> At 02:11 PM 8/6/2006, you wrote:
> >I took over a project where the guy decided he
> >had to re-set the stick lower to the point rwhere the spar limited
> >the sticks forward
> >travel so the D.S. notched the top of the spar
> >Don
> +++
>
> If he had stopped and thought for a second he could have just re-shaped
> the stick.  Sometimes we don't see the forest for the trees.
>
> Larry Flesner
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KR> center spars and wing tanks

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Netters

I questiond this in a direct response because at the same angles the amount of
dihedral and twist would be reduced.  If changed the alngle to arive at the same
point I do not what the impact would be and then there is the twist changes to
worry about.  I would make no change unless i was convinced by someone with a
very good understanding of all at play here as there could be many less than
obvious issues at play.  May be fine but trespass very slowly and carefully
here.

Don
  

StRaNgEdAyS wrote:

> That depends on how much dihedral you give the wings when you build them.
> The Jodel's dihedral starts a fair way out as well.
>  Peter Bancks.
>
> ---Original Message---
>
> From: Bavo
> Date: 08/07/06 08:14:24
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> center spars and wing tanks
>
> Moving the WAFs further outboard would also decrease the amount of dihedral.
> This would affect roll stability wouldn't it?
> John Bavington.
>
>
> On 8/6/06, Larry Flesner  wrote:
> >
> > At 08:02 AM 8/5/2006, you wrote:
> > >It should also be mentioned that carrying fuel in the outer wings is
> > >practically a free lunch for the WAFs, unless you tend to land really
> > hard.
> > >But I like mine in the stub wings, so there are no fuel connections when
> > >disconnecting the wings, but then that's not something you'd have to do
> > very
> > >often either.
> > >Mark Langford
> > 
> >
> > All my fuel is in the outer wing panels.  I cut a 5"X9" (approx) panel in
> > the
> > bottom side of the wing center section at the tips to attach fuel lines
> > and
> > wiring after the outer wing panels are attached.  They are hinged on the
> > forward end and the trail edge is held in place with two short screws.
> >
> > Like you say,  it's not something you do very often.  I've not had mine
> > off
> > in two years but need to pull at some point to repaint one wing, check
> > the tank screens, calibrate the sending units, etc.   I rather like the
> > thought of having all my fuel outboard of the center section.  It does
> > not seem to influence the handling characteristics, at least that I've
> > noticed.  Finally, in 240 hours, I've not landed hard enough to break
> > off the outer wings, even with nearly full fuel. (12.5 gal each side)
> >
> > Larry Flesner
> >
> >
> >
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KR> Flying Mach. on EBAY

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Netters.

The glideslope of that craft on E-Bay @ full pawer will likely 
approximate the glide-slope of a Brick!

Got to be a con looking for a mark!


Don

KR> For Sale

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Travis:

If you have 2nd thoughts on selling any pieces let me know.

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52601
  

Travis Woods wrote:

> I have a started KR2 for sale, plus enough wood and foam to build a 2nd 
> plane. I have two canopies, one pair of tips (for the wings) one set of 
> landing gear and wheels and tires. I also have a VW block. There is also a 
> fiber glass gas tank. One front cowling.
>
>   The boat is pretty much done
>
>   I want to sale all of it and will not brake it up. Please make me an offer. 
> I have pictures if you would like to see them.
>
>   Please contact me through e-mail and if you are real interested, I'll give 
> you my phone number. I am in Quincy, IL. My name is Travis
>
>   Thanks
>
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KR> turnbuckles

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David:

I had to order one for the project I took over and used an AN 135-16S to
replace one with a missing pin-eye end.  I had gread difficlty determing
whether the missing end in mine was RH or LH thread and since the threads
on opposing ends mut be opposite I ordered the assy. Cost 3 months ago was
$20.70

The "S' is for short & the "L" is for long and picked that one based on the
strength of the Cable.

Check with others to verify.

Don lively
Burlington IA 52601
  



bdazzca...@aol.com wrote:

> Hi Netters,
>
>I was wondering what size turnbuckles people were using in their
> planes? I was looking through A
>
> David Swanson
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KR> Home safely

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Bob:

That is the way it is slying to the SW frome the midwest--  done it (4) times 
and never a tail wind going that way, 10 to 20 mph is Normal

 The other bad thing about the SW is that a 450 to 500 mile range is crap 
because of the airport spacing between West Texas and So. CA and you are over a 
lot of high country or flying very indirect.

Don
  

Bob Glidden wrote:

> Netters
> Glad to hear everyone made it home safely from Oshkosh.Getting the phone call 
> from Lee Van Dyke today was like one of the kids getting home from their 
> first summer camp.Glad to hear the worst thing he ran into was some strong 
> head winds.Welcome home everyone it was a great trip
>
> Bob Glidden
> Eminence,Indiana
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KR> Weather

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Lee:

In July of  '71 flying back to SNA(now called  John Wayne Int'l), after an 
unsched. Stop  in Columbia MO to secure a Carb Heat control that kept creeping 
open, I was headed for Santa Fe via Pratt, Liberal, Dalhart & Las Vegas NM I 
encountered one of  those summer rains that you encountered.  I  Refueled in 
Pratt and headed off  IFR ( I Follow Roads- Hwy 54) toward Dalhart.  As I 
approached  Boise City I observed a Squaw line in my way and called  FSS and 
informed me that they currently had a TS and advised that I divert south to the 
Canadian River and plan on spending the night in Tuccumcari because of severe 
weather west to the Sangre De Christo's south to the Mexican Border.  The next 
morning I departed TCC for SNA with a fuel stop in INW, 806 sm total.  After 
the refueling top @ INW  I thought I was in big weather troubles again as I 
approached  Sedona because I was getting sandwiched between a broken cloud deck 
and the impressive rim that is the east side of the Verde River
Valley on the way to PRC. but as soon as I broke over the rime the deck rapidly 
dissipated and I was home free and was able to climb up to 10,500 for the leg 
from PRC to the Colorado.  I had 1500 ft between the rim & the clouds to scoot 
through at the rim.

The total Clock time from TCC to SNA including the time on the ground for 
refueling at INW was 8 hrs-15 min in a 172. Oh yea a rented 172-- $14/hr wet- 
those days are gone forever.

I learned about the SW monsoons from that trip.

Don
  

Lee Van Dyke wrote:

> WEATHER.
>
> I can remember flying in MI during my lessons and for a couple of years after 
> gettnig my license.  I just forgot what weather or bad weather was like.  
> Oshkosh has always been wet, I think I can only remember 1 or 2 years with no 
> rain.  Arizona on the other hand, well lets just say we are spoiled.  Yes it 
> is hot for 3 months and right now we have the monsoons going on.  Big clouds 
> and rain at the end of everyday.  Some days was have bad winds, direct cross 
> winds.  My trip to Oshkosh was a reminder and an eye opener for me.  Richard 
> and I went through a couple of good rain cells with lighting.  It is amazing 
> how fast I could turn that plane when you see lighting right in front of you. 
>  While at Oshkosh the KR pilots best friend is a non-super sticky tape.  
> Sorry about you paint Mark J.  and Richard S.  I will be looking into having 
> a cover made to not only keep out the sun but WATER.  I was stuck in Osh for 
> an extra day due to weather, and on my return flight I ran into a wal!
>  l of 25 mph wind.  McPherson KS 25mph wind down the runway.  Dalhart TX 25 
> mph with gusts over 30.  The morning was mush better with only 20mph.  I flew 
> with a 172 from Mesa AZ from there, we headed to Double Eagle NM, fighting a 
> 35pmh head wind@ 8500 ft.  Just before Las Vegas NM the clouds showed up, the 
> winds were gone but the ceilings were low.  We were going to set down in Las 
> Vegas and wait, but the 172 would not be able to T/O with the density alt.  I 
> landed and had to repair a hatch on my canopy, they were going to fly low the 
> Double Eagle.  I took off andf flew above the broken clouds and went over D/E 
> and header to St Johns AZ.  40 miles from the AZ border CLOUDS low and solid, 
> so I went north to Grants.  My fuel pump went out on my transfer pump.  20 
> mins later after a trip to Checker, Auto Zone and Napa. No pump. So it was 
> going to be shorter trips from here on out.  The WEATHER looked ok to the 
> west.  A front was heading south and it was clear in Winslow AZ.  I!
>   went up to 12,500 to clear all of the broken clouds and got to Winslo
> w.  Flagstaff looked real bad.  I talked to a pilot with a lot of time in the 
> area and he said that I would be bumped around alot but it was open to Payson 
> AZ.  I took off and headed to the south for Payson, the clouds were not 
> getting lower but the terrain was getting higher, I got through a pass on the 
> Rim and it opened up around Payson.  I still had 3/4 of a tank and I sould 
> see down a canyon that ends up in Mesa.  The clouds were about 2000ft agl and 
> visibility was about 10-15 miles.  Down the canyon I went.  40 minutes later, 
> I was in Mesa and 10 minutes later my Home Airport.  
> WowWEATHERBAD WEATHER  SUCKS.
>
> Lee Van Dyke
> from the VALLEY OF THE SUN   :)
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KR> Weather

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Good pointer on the Tape

Don

Mark Jones wrote:

> Yep, I bought a roll of black 33+ at Oshkosh and had to pay $5 for it. Lee
> had this nice looking white electrical tape so I used it to blend in with
> the paint. Well it looked nice but took some paint with it when it was
> removed. Oh well, it is already touched up and hardly noticeable. Funny
> thing is, I can not find that $5 roll of 33+ I bought.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
> E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Allen Wiesner" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:06 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> Weather
>
> > >While at Oshkosh the KR pilots best friend is a non-super sticky tape.
> >>Sorry about you paint
> >>Mark J.  and Richard S.
> >
> > Use black electrical tape.  Get the good stuff, 3M 33+ at Home Depot, it's
> > flexible, can do 3D curves, will not harden, and will come off without
> > taking any paint OR leaving a black gummy residue, unlike the cheap stuff
> > in
> > the auto stores / supermarkets (don't ask me how I know).
> >
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> > 65 Franklin Street
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> >
> > (203) 732-0508
> >
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KR> Fuel tank sealant

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Bob:

I have been trying to solve the same problem and have been getting the same
result.

Word of advice though,  the FAA when it issues an STC to use auto gas in an
certified aircraft prohibits the use of  MOGAS containing alcohol.  From what
I have been able to determine it is because of alcohols affinity for water and
they are afraid of fuel line freeze-up and plugging.  Personally that is
enough for me so I will stick to the unleaded MOGAS either 87 or 91 octane.

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52601

bob wrote:

> Anyone have the absolute, hands-down, definitive answer on sealing
> fiberglass fuel tanks?  After a couple of days Googling NTSB reports
> and builder horror stories I'm afraid to even put a fuel tank on my
> plane, at least one that might need to hold fuel with an alcohol additive.
>
> This stuff sounds wonderful, I guess.
> http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/epoxygas.htm
>
> I don't need 3 gallons of this, and they don't say anything about alcohol.
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/tankseal.php
>
> Randolph 912 is supposed to be another option, but I haven't been able
> to find it.
>
> Finally, *almost* everyone claims that vinylester resin is impervious to
> fuel with additives, but I was able to find a few posts on the net saying
> it isn't.
>
> In other words, I'm confused.  Any advice appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
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KR> AC Spruce vs Wicks

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Netters:

They also are not that difficult to make mut ready made one are sufficiently
inexpensive that making them is not worth the trouble.

Don
  

Brian Kraut wrote:

> One difference between the AS kit and the one from Rand is that the AS
> did not cut up the 5/8" square strips.  They gave you 5/8" planks and you
> had to rip it down to the sticks on a table saw.  I don't know about Wicks.
>
> A long time ago before I learned the correct way to rip on a table saw I had
> planned on ordering the strips already cut because I could not cut a long
> thin strip without it moving away from the fence and ruining the piece.  Now
> I have seen the light and discovered the feather board and I can cut a long
> thin strip perfectly every time so I would have no problem getting the uncut
> planks and doing them myself.  Any of you that have not used one before
> should get one.  Here is one of many models available.
> http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=4757
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Bart Ferguson
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:57 PM
> To: kr2coo...@earthlink.net; KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> AC Spruce vs Wicks
>
> This is a little confusing trying to budget things for getting started.
>
> Wicks Spruce Kit KR2S-001 $930.35
>
> AS KR-1 $725.81
>   KR-2 $866.91
>   KR-2S $753.11
>
> First thing is why would the cost for the stretched kit be less than for
> the plain 2 version at AS? There is an obvious cost difference between
> the two. Does this mean one kit is boat and tail vs. one that includes
> spar material? What exactly comes with the first spruce kit? Would the
> first spruce kit and a gallon of T-88 be all that is needed to get
> started after buying plans? Looking to get construction underway this
> fall and forward to asking real building questions for a change.
>
> Bart Ferguson
> Houston, TX
>
> PS - I'm already starting to hate sanding.
>
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KR> Flight question.

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Dan:

Assuming you are talking TIAS they will both be about 1/2 way because wids
aloft are are from the west and the ground speed will be close to the same.
I have made (4) RT from So. CA to the midwest and always a tail-wind east
bound and always a head-wind west bound   Therefore one can use your TAS to
estimate your RT time and be pretty close to actual experience.  Not to say
that other winds aloft situations are not possible but not something to count
on in advanced planning.

Don
  

"Myron (Dan) Freeman" wrote:

> With so little info I would say neither or both.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Jones" 
> To: "KR Net (E-mail)" 
> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 2:48 PM
> Subject: KR> Flight question.
>
> > This is a Friday question since the Net is so quiet.
> >
> > KR A and KR B are flying across the United States from coast to coast.
> > They both are on an identical 2700 nm airway flying in opposite
> > directions. KR A is eastbound at 100 knots and KR B is westbound at 130
> > knots. Which KR will be closer to the west coast when they pass each
> > other?
> >
> > Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> > Wales, WI
> > Web site: www.flykr2s.com
> > Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com
> >
> >
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KR> Subaru engines

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Netters:

You raised some valid questions.  I have looked @ Subies and observed that they
get Max torque somewhere in the low 4000s rpm range and Max power at say the
mid 5000s rpm range.  Almost all would requre a PSRU because their bearing wont
take the prop pull.  I would say that running that engine at max torque for a
redline might have some durability issues as most in cars driver at highway
speeds run in the 3000 rpm range so my thoughts are that limitting the revs to
the mid or upper 3000s would be prudent and a PSRU ratio to give a prop rpm in
the 2700 to 3000 range appropriate for durability.  Whether this would leed to
adequate power availability I can not say.  What I liked about the Subi is the
fact it is liquid cooled which would be nice for cabin heat with NO or a very
limited risk of CO poisoning.

I think one must look at the RPM settings of the design and the PSRU ratios
involved to evaluate engine logevity becuse clearly running an engine at or
above its max torque RPM will surely work a hardship on engine life as a
general rule.

My opinion from a reasoned judgement not from experience or personal knowledge.

IT is a Safe bet that neither the Corvair or VW based engines will last as many
hours as they do normally if ran "Flat Out" either.


Don
  

Mark Langford wrote:

> Fred Johnson wrote:
>
> > Hey Mark, since it is so quiet today, do you know of anyone successfully
> > using either a Subaru or Geo engine in a KR?
>
> Steve Makish and Bob Lester have a lot of hours on a Subaru (don't know
> exactly which one).  They were big proponents until Steve wore his case out
> a couple of times at about 300 hours.  His opinion is that they can't take
> the RPMs, and are not worth the trouble.  He's now flying a Corvair.  He's
> not on the list but his email address is srmak...@aol.com if want to email
> him direct and ask his opinion.
>
> Yes Ken Thomas also had a Subaru and is now running a Jabiru, and is happy
> with it.  Dave Stroud weighed a Subaru engine installation firewall forward
> and came up with 285 pounds, substantially more than "they" tell you it'll
> weigh. The Corvair is about 245, by comparison.
>
> My 2 cents worth, but I've never flown behind a Subaru, so take it for what
> it's worth...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> Flight question.

[D F Lively]

They best be separated vertically by at least 1000 ft if  at least 3000 ft
and flying in conformance with VFR flight rules.

Don
  

Fred Johnson wrote:

> How about since they are passing each other they would both be in the
> same spot regardless of which direction they are headed?
>
> Fred Johnson
> Product Manager
> T.E. West, LLC.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
> Behalf Of Mark Jones
> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 11:48 AM
> To: KR Net (E-mail)
> Subject: KR> Flight question.
>
> This is a Friday question since the Net is so quiet.
>
> KR A and KR B are flying across the United States from coast to coast.
> They both are on an identical 2700 nm airway flying in opposite
> directions. KR A is eastbound at 100 knots and KR B is westbound at 130
> knots. Which KR will be closer to the west coast when they pass each
> other?
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> Web site: www.flykr2s.com
> Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com
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KR> Subaru engines

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Fred:

That was designed from the ground up to be an aircraft engine and has a PSRU
built in.

Don
  

Fred Johnson wrote:

> Look at the Rotax though, it is a screamer too. At least to make the
> horsepower.
>
> Fred Johnson
> Product Manager
> T.E. West, LLC.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-bounces+fred=renotruss@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-bounces+fred=renotruss....@mylist.net] On Behalf Of D F
> Lively
> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 12:41 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> Subaru engines
>
> Netters:
>
> You raised some valid questions.  I have looked @ Subies and observed
> that they
> get Max torque somewhere in the low 4000s rpm range and Max power at say
> the
> mid 5000s rpm range.  Almost all would requre a PSRU because their
> bearing wont
> take the prop pull.  I would say that running that engine at max torque
> for a
> redline might have some durability issues as most in cars driver at
> highway
> speeds run in the 3000 rpm range so my thoughts are that limitting the
> revs to
> the mid or upper 3000s would be prudent and a PSRU ratio to give a prop
> rpm in
> the 2700 to 3000 range appropriate for durability.  Whether this would
> leed to
> adequate power availability I can not say.  What I liked about the Subi
> is the
> fact it is liquid cooled which would be nice for cabin heat with NO or a
> very
> limited risk of CO poisoning.
>
> I think one must look at the RPM settings of the design and the PSRU
> ratios
> involved to evaluate engine logevity becuse clearly running an engine at
> or
> above its max torque RPM will surely work a hardship on engine life as a
> general rule.
>
> My opinion from a reasoned judgement not from experience or personal
> knowledge.
>
> IT is a Safe bet that neither the Corvair or VW based engines will last
> as many
> hours as they do normally if ran "Flat Out" either.
>
> Don
>
> 
>
> Mark Langford wrote:
>
> > Fred Johnson wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Mark, since it is so quiet today, do you know of anyone
> successfully
> > > using either a Subaru or Geo engine in a KR?
> >
> > Steve Makish and Bob Lester have a lot of hours on a Subaru (don't
> know
> > exactly which one).  They were big proponents until Steve wore his
> case out
> > a couple of times at about 300 hours.  His opinion is that they can't
> take
> > the RPMs, and are not worth the trouble.  He's now flying a Corvair.
> He's
> > not on the list but his email address is srmak...@aol.com if want to
> email
> > him direct and ask his opinion.
> >
> > Yes Ken Thomas also had a Subaru and is now running a Jabiru, and is
> happy
> > with it.  Dave Stroud weighed a Subaru engine installation firewall
> forward
> > and came up with 285 pounds, substantially more than "they" tell you
> it'll
> > weigh. The Corvair is about 245, by comparison.
> >
> > My 2 cents worth, but I've never flown behind a Subaru, so take it for
> what
> > it's worth...
> >
> > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> Subaru engines

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Larry:

I hear you on the Density Altitude issue and can understand your point.  I
believe Turbo Charhers if used only to maintain sea level performance to 
altitude
is a good use of the technology.  Using it as performance booster at STP
conditions could be detrimental to engine life which is OK if you understand and
accept the cosequences of such use.  One must also realize an accept that  you
are adding a complexity which can wander out of adjustment and be detrimental.

Understant you are at Reno-Stead 10 NW of   Reno and I know Density Altitude is
an issue to you backed in tight to the East face of the Sierras which has a
rather steep topographic contour.

Having lived in Sacramento and aware that it is 90 miles on I-80 to donner 
Summit
but only 21 from there to Boomtown I can see your point particularly this time 
of
year.

Don
Burlington IA 52601
  

larry severson wrote:

> True, but 187 is less than 200+. and at 8000 ft it has more HP than an O-200.
> Given the field elevation, I believe density altitude is a consideration.
>
> At 01:35 PM 8/4/2006, you wrote:
> >But that's more complexity and weight too.
> >
> >Fred Johnson
> >Product Manager
> >T.E. West, LLC.
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
> >Behalf Of larry severson
> >Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 1:33 PM
> >To: KRnet
> >Subject: RE: KR> Subaru engines
> >
> >
> > >  My altitude here at 4SD is 5046' and the VW
> > >just makes marginal horsepower at this altitude in my opinion for two
> > >and full fuel, unless I built a type IV with 2700 CC's or more.
> >
> >Or, you have it turbo powered.
> >
> >
> >Larry Severson
> >Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> >(714) 968-9852
> >lar...@socal.rr.com
> >
> >
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> Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> (714) 968-9852
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KR> loosing the weight tip:

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Mike:


S!  You may be in trouble if she gets wind of your reasoning

GRINS

Don
  

M & C wrote:

> Ok it's friday just wanted to let you guys know I've found a new way to
> reduce weight in the KR.
> I've been walking the wife. She thinks I'm being romanic but what I'm really
> doing is slimming her down so I can haul more fuel. If I can knock 12 lbs
> off her then we can haul another 2 gal of gas.
>
> Mike Turner
> Jackson Mo
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KR> Subaru engines

[D F Lively]

Replace (4) sets for (1) cert. Engine Cylinder Barrel!  Sounds Good to me

Don

Dan Heath wrote:

> 4 cylinders, pistons, and rings for a VW, $219
>
> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
> is OVER.
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
> ---Original Message---
>
>  One of their disadvantages is that the
> cylinders are around $1,300 each where the Continentals are under $800.
>
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KR> center spars and wing tanks

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Netters:

Would this have a negative impact on Roll Stability?  Would tanks in the wing 
stubs force a major mod of control cable routing?

Don
  

Randy Powell wrote:

> What  would be the pro and con of extending the center section spars and 
> reducing the outer wing panel length an equal amount on a Kr2s.  This would 
> give room for larger wing tanks in the stub area and added width for flaps.
>
> Randy Powell
> randywpow...@verizon.net
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KR> Brake suggestions?

[D F Lively]

Dennis:

I am inthe process of installing bthe Great Plains system and their calipers 
have a piston on one side but pads on both.  The creativity comes into play 
with the toe prkes.

Don
  

Dennis Dyer wrote:

> I'm looking of suggestions for a brake replacement.  There are presently "go 
> cart" type brakes on my KR.  They just rub on one side of the rotor. I'd like 
> to replace them with something more reliable and firm.  Thanks for any ideas.
>
> Dennis Dyer
> Pine, CO
>
> _
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KR> Great Plains Brakes & Azusa Wheels

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Dennis:

I am in the process of installing GP Brakes on my plane.  It is necessary to
file out the Draft angle in the caliper holders to accept the calipers, that and
centering up the axles is the tough part.  I also had to take the adapters that
attach the rotor to the %" Azusa wheels to a machine shop to shave a few
thousandths off the diameter so it would fully seat properly on to the wheel.
You may or may not have to do this as it cis so small that it could be a
tolerance problem because all og these parts are cast Aluminum.

Don Livel



John Martindale wrote:

> Great Planes Aircraft hydraulic discs. Good value and work well. Check their
> website
>
> John Martindale
> 29 Jane Circuit
> Toormina NSW 2452
> AUSTRALIA
>
> ph: 61 2 66584767
> mobile: 0417 584767
> email: johnja...@optusnet.com.au
> web:  www.members.optusnet.com.au/johnjanet/Martindale.htm
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dennis Dyer" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:47 AM
> Subject: KR> Brake suggestions?
>
> >
> >
> > I'm looking of suggestions for a brake replacement.  There are presently
> > "go cart" type brakes on my KR.  They just rub on one side of the rotor.
> > I'd like to replace them with something more reliable and firm.  Thanks
> > for any ideas.
> >
> > Dennis Dyer
> > Pine, CO
> >
> > _
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KR> another day, another 2.4 hours and 17 landings...

[D F Lively]

Lee:

Sounds about right---  SNA(John Wayne)- Taylorville IL, Pekin IL, SNA--- About
3280 miles

Don
  

Lee Van Dyke wrote:

> Sorry  3490  miles
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lee Van Dyke" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 5:10 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> another day, another 2.4 hours and 17 landings...
>
> >I flew 3900 miles in 10 days and I didn't get in 17 landings...  wow
> >
> > Lee
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mark Langford" 
> > To: "KRnet" 
> > Cc: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" 
> > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:46 PM
> > Subject: KR> another day, another 2.4 hours and 17 landings...
> >
> >
> >> NetHeads,
> >>
> >> You guys are soon going to regret egging me on about the "pilot reports".
> >> I couldn't fly to my father's farm today because of weather on his end,
> >> so
> >> the wife said "I'm sure you can still find someplace else to fly today",
> >> so off I went.  One of the changes I made in the last few days was to
> >> make
> >> my static ports flush mounted, with nothing more than a 1/16" hole to the
> >> outside world, so I needed to check my indicated stall speed anyway.
> >> And
> >> I needed a little more shakedown on the new fiberglass spinner front
> >> bulkhead.  What better way than a tour of the airport "neighborhood"?  So
> >> I flew down to the Tennessee river, over the big bridge, and hung a left
> >> and flew up river to Guntersville, Scottsboro, Stevenson, Marion County,
> >> Jackson TN, Fayetteville TN, MDQ, and back to M38.  That's eight airports
> >> and 17 landings.
> >>
> >> After the first landing at Stevenson, a guy came on the radio and asked
> >> "is that KR pilot Bill Clapp, flying a Corvair?".  I said "no, but if you
> >> want to talk Corvairs, I'll be back in two minutes".  I was just
> >> impressed
> >> that anybody in Alabama would even know a KR when he saw one!  The guy
> >> was
> >> building a Corvair for a Piet, and had one totally blasted engine that
> >> he'd bought first, then he got super lucky and bought an entire 1965
> >> Corvair with a "new" 1969 engine in it.  This thing looked brand new, and
> >> he hadn't even cleaned the parts yet!  I spent some time bringing him up
> >> to speed on stuff like small block rockers and why he should keep his
> >> original ones (which he had thoughtfully wired into pairs with their
> >> balls, even though he was planning on throwing them away), preserving
> >> that
> >> pristine crank at all costs, and then headed on up river to the next
> >> stop.
> >>
> >> Three of the landings I did were basically tailwheel first, as I was
> >> trying to stretch the bottom of the envelope.  Most observers would call
> >> it a three point landing, but the "boing" noise tells me the tail wheel
> >> hit first, and that always occured at about 63 mph (well, all three times
> >> according to the GPS, but you wouldn't believe me if I told you that).
> >> Maybe I can get around to extending my gear this week and do some
> >> comparisons next weekend (another excuse to fly).  I'm thinking it will
> >> lower my three point landing speed a few mph.  I even flew over Georgia a
> >> bit just to say I'd been there, and made it back home with 289.0 hours on
> >> the clock.  Life is good...
> >>
> >> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> >> see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> >> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> Camping at the gathering

[D F Lively]

Bob:

A ROOT-Beer Soda?



Don
  

Bob Glidden wrote:

> Bob
> If  I'm not up when you get there and you want a soda,I'll leave a cup out
> for you and feel free to wake me up and I'll have a soda with you.
>
> Bob Glidden
> Eminence,Indiana
> KR2S N181FW (building)
> Corvair 110
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KR> weather forecast web site?

[D F Lively]

Mark:

I use Intellicast and plug in MCI( Kansas City) for here in Burlington.
Thecoverage area on its Regional radar loop covers an area from the Red River
south of OK City north to MSP East to Western OH and west midway to Denver from
the Kansas border.

I would suggest perhaps plugging in Charlotte NC, Atlanta(ATL), Huntsville or
Nashville for your basic area and bookmark it.  Then book mark any other areas
you might need for places you frequent.  You  probably will not need more than 4
or 5 to cover the area east of the Mississippi and all you need to is plug in
relevant 3-letter airport codes for amajor airport for closer in details.--All
things you likely have at the ready for a flight plan anyway.

Really as a lot of  information accessible from a few sites

Don

Mark Langford wrote:

> NetHeads,
>
> I'd be interested in good websites that show forecasts for weather across
> the country (or at least the Eastern half) that show a sequence of where the
> clouds and or rain are expected to be in 12, 24, 48 hours, etc.  I've seen
> one or two, but they're not very impressive, and was wondering if any of you
> guys knew of anything better.
>
> I sort of "finished" my primer job today, and managed to mount my fiberglass
> spinner.  You may recall that last week I installed my new high dollar
> spinner and the thing vibrated at 1600 rpm.  I removed it and the vibration
> went away, so that would point directly to the spinner.  So I did something
> Troy Petteway told me he did years ago...use the "real" spinner as a mold to
> make another one.  It couldn't be more out of balance than this thing, so I
> tried it.  Today I installed it and there's no change  that I can detect in
> the usually smooth Corvair's vibration level at any rpm.  I figure I have
> about ten bucks in it, not counting the rather expensive "mold".
>
> Trip planning tonight for a 7AM departure time to OSH...
>
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> weather forecast web site?

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Mark:

We had light rain here all day today---0.15  inches but up to an inch in Quad
Cities (MLI). But it is rapidly clearing.  The system is headed SE and was the
2nd storm in 48 hours to do a number on St Louis.  They have 500,000 folks
without power per the news.  I would say the big question for you is how far SE
of (STL) it gets and how much of its punch it loses.  The Regional Radar loop on
the Intellicast site of choice will show the last 2-1/2 hours of a systems
progress in 15 min or 30 min steps which should be a useful predictor of its
progress.

Don Lively

Mark Jones wrote:

> Here is one: http://www.wunderground.com/
>
> Current conditions here are overcast, 71°, with clearing overnight. Sunshine
> for the start of Saturday with t-storms cropping up after 3 pm tomorrow.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
> E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Langford" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:10 PM
> Subject: KR> weather forecast web site?
>
> > NetHeads,
> >
> > I'd be interested in good websites that show forecasts for weather across
> > the country (or at least the Eastern half) that show a sequence of where
> > the
> > clouds and or rain are expected to be in 12, 24, 48 hours, etc.  I've seen
> > one or two, but they're not very impressive, and was wondering if any of
> > you
> > guys knew of anything better.
> >
> > I sort of "finished" my primer job today, and managed to mount my
> > fiberglass
> > spinner.  You may recall that last week I installed my new high dollar
> > spinner and the thing vibrated at 1600 rpm.  I removed it and the
> > vibration
> > went away, so that would point directly to the spinner.  So I did
> > something
> > Troy Petteway told me he did years ago...use the "real" spinner as a mold
> > to
> > make another one.  It couldn't be more out of balance than this thing, so
> > I
> > tried it.  Today I installed it and there's no change  that I can detect
> > in
> > the usually smooth Corvair's vibration level at any rpm.  I figure I have
> > about ten bucks in it, not counting the rather expensive "mold".
> >
> > Trip planning tonight for a 7AM departure time to OSH...
> >
> > Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> > see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
> > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
> >
> >
> >
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KR> Weather

[D F Lively]

Jim:

Thanks for the correction.  I have now bookmarked it for ready use.

Good site!

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52801

JIM VANCE wrote:

> Sorry, but I have a short circuit between my headphones.  Try 
> www.usairnet.com.
>
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KR> OSH

[D F Lively]

Mark:

How much did the Tank Hold?

I  have one sketched out  that 15 front to rear that would attatch to the aft
side of the front spar 2" in from its inboard  and extends out 42".  I get about
9 gallons but still have not worked out all the supports but was intending to
have ot all welded from .032 aluminum with baffles similar to Overall's
pop-rivited and pro-seal version.

Don
  

Mark Langford wrote:

> NetHeads,
>
> I'm back from OSH.  It was a great time, even if I did only spend two days
> there.  Visiting with Jones, Rich Shirley, Lee Van Dyke, Bob Glidden, Bill
> Clapp, Pete Klapp, Art Bruce, William Wynne, John Backer, Joe, Weber, and
> several others that I'm sure I've forgotten to mention, was a complete
> blast!  The KR forum was something of a fizzle, since I showed up
> unprepared, but at least we answered every question that anybody could think
> of while we were there.  Flying into OSH was interesting, to say the least,
> but nobody fell out of the sky.  Bottom line from that experience is that
> next year we're going to do the 135 knot routine, rather than the 90 knot
> version.  We were down to 65-70 mph at one point, and that's an invitation
> for disaster.
>
> It occured to me as I was flying home that I hadn't actually entered a
> single building other than the bathhouse while at OSH, so next year I'll
> have to schedule three days rather than two.  I'll try to do a web page at
> some point, but one of the most interesting things I saw there was a wing
> tank on a Mustang that looked like it was begging to be mounted to a KR.  I
> need to find out if somebody's making these things.  It serves as an
> easy-to-make nav/strobe light mount (the curvature is almost cylindrical),
> flow fence, and an auxiliary fuel tank, and it's just about perfect for a
> KR2S wing.  If nobody is making them, a KR version would still be pretty
> straight forward.  Check it out at
> http://www.krnet.org/osh2006/060725314m.jpg .
>
> Another good one that was literally a "snapshot" while I was trying to talk
> to another KR builder.  I usually consider the airshow to be little more
> than a hindrance to conversation and the exchange of useful information,
> but the one at http://www.krnet.org/osh2006/060725293m.jpg was pretty neat .
> You'll have to add your own radial-engine rumbling noises, but it still
> won't be close to acutally being there!
>
> I'll try to do more on this trip, but it may be a while, as usual.  It
> really was a unique experience to finally FLY my own plane in there.  As a
> homebuilder that actually "made it", you're treated pretty darn nice, I have
> to admit.  And several of us did interviews with Greg Laslo for a Sport
> Aviation article on the "KR community".  He's a grass-roots kind of guy with
> a great feel for the meaning of homebuilding, so that should be a breath of
> fresh air.
>
>  I wish I'd stayed all week.  Having my own personal time machine is pretty
> cool.  The flight back was simply magnificent...
>
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
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KR> OSH

[D F Lively]

Mark:

Would probably requre a wing rebuild for me since I have long wings but they
shur would look good on the end of the regular wing.

Don
  

Mark Langford wrote:

> Don Lively wrote:
>
> > How much did the Tank Hold?
>
> I don't know how much the Tank Held.  It wasn't labeled, but my guess would
> be 5-6 gallons.
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
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KR> 51% Rule

[D F Lively]

Brian Et all:

It seems to me that from a point of avoiding subjective error it might be worth
having someone not associated with plane do the inspection as long as he
understood the craft. in question.

Don
  

Brian Kraut wrote:

> Colin brings up an interresting point that I had previously clarified with
> an FAA inspector a few years ago.  When you have a homebuilt you can do all
> of the repairs or modifications weather you built it or not.  The only thing
> the repairman certificate gives you is the ability to do the annual
> condition inspection.  Also, any A can do the condition inspection on an
> experimental.  He does not need to be an IA like with a certified airplane.
> That means that it generally costs a lot less than an annual on a certified
> plane.  So what all this means is that if you are considering buying an
> experimental that you can not get the repairman certificate on, don't let
> that factor hold you back.  It is nice to have, but you still have 99% of
> the advantages of an experimental weather you have the cert or not.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of beverlyrai...@bellsouth.net
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 1:43 AM
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: KR> 51% Rule
>
> Randy
> The 51% rule only applies to the actual construction of the kit or aircraft
> in question. It is what separates a factory built aircraft kit from an
> amateur built kit.
>
> The rules concerning being approved for repairman certificate are left more
> on the judgement of the Airworthiness Representative who is conducting the
> inspection at the time the certificate is issued. If the aircraft were
> complete when purchased but never signed off, and say had been badly stored,
> so that the new owner had to perform a great deal of repair work and
> replacement of assemblies/rebuild, the DAR or FAA Rep could feel that he has
> enough intimate knowledge of the airplane to be awarded a repairman's
> certificate. I bought mine with 20 hours of engine running and taxi testing
> but no flight time, and no certificate. I built a new seat for it, installed
> new lights, radio, transponder, and several other instruments to make it
> legal for Day and Night VFR, as well as a little bit safer and more
> comfortable, like GPS, and a new pushtube control for the elevator, and dual
> sticks.  Although the DAR really liked the changes and felt I had done a
> good job, he didn't award me repairman certification because I had not
> constructed enough of the original airplane to conduct my own annual
> condition inspection. He explained that that did not stop me from repairing
> and then test flying the aircraft, but once a year I have to have another
> DAR or A look over the plane and give it its condition inspection. A small
> compromise in the scheme of things.
>
> Colin
> N96TA
> Ormond Beach, FL
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KR> Anti Aviation Bill in Jacksonville

[D. F. Lively]

Brian:

What is the issue that is not being addressed here by the city fathers 
or the complainent?  I see an older typical working, middle-class 
neighborhood of 40 to 50 year old houses with range of  condition and  
care one would expect in such  neighborhoods.  The bibiggest problem I 
see is that  you seem to have "Holes in the Sky" in which to place your 
money while most either have "Holes in the Water"  or   connections to 
the worlds largest beaches(Motorhomes  & campers)  in which to make 
regular deposits.  I even see evidence of  some resident  "Red Necks" 
and bikers..  To be sure the placement of an aircraft on a trailer is no 
worse than any thing else I saw in your pictures.   Perhaps the big 
issue is the jealousy of your ability to "Slip the Surly  Bonds of 
Earth" and range far more broadly than they.

Your "City Fathers" need to get a life as they have way to much time on 
their hands!


Don Lively
Burlington IA



Brian Kraut wrote:

>Lots of people have asked me to put up some pictures on my web site so they
>could get an idea on what my house looks like compared to the other houses
>in my neighbohood.  Some people are assuming that I live in a beautiful
>neighborhood and I have an airplane junkyard on my front lawn.  Looking at
>the pictres should give everyone a sense of what the truth really is.  I
>have also added to the questions section.  Look at www.jaxairplane.com.
>
>I really want to thank all of the people that have sent emails of support on
>this.  I wish tat I could reply to each one individually, but I have
>literally hundreds and hundreds of emails and I can't reply to all of them.
>
>I also want to thank a lot of the people that have voiced their opinion and
>sided against me.  With few exceptions, those giving an opinion different
>than mine have been courteous and not started an email flame war.  It takes
>courage to express your opinion even when it goes against the general flow.
>In my fight against the city I am the one swimming upstream and I know how
>important it is to not just sit back and listen and to express your own
>opinion.  We all share a love of aviation and homebuilding, but we all do
>not necessarily need to agree all the time.
>
>Brian Kraut
>br...@jaxairplane.com
>
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KR> Re: Sorry, computer sluggish, clicked 'send' too many times

[D F Lively]

Noel:

I have looke at the Sonari.  The main spar and aft spar have blades on thehem 
that side it pockets and ovelap each other ad secured in place with tapered 
pins that pass through holes through holes drilled through the over-lapped 
plades.  I believe that the pivit- swing joint is attached to the leading edge 
of the wing.  See Phil Matheson of Austrailia for his version at
.However,He still uses the RR wafs I believe.

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52601
  

Noel Bong wrote:

> Noel Bong  wrote:  Hello KRers,
> I have been wondering if the Sonerai's wing fitting can be used on KR. It 
> looks like the Sonerai are using one huge wing fitting on each wing (foldable 
> too !) KR are using 4 sets of fitting on each wing (and not foldable). 
> Aircraft Spruce has the Sonerai fittings for about $120 each, the last time I 
> checked while in the store. The KR wing fittings are more expensive.
> What attracts me more is the ability to fold the wings, (not to mention the 
> strength of those Sonerai fittings which allow them to do acrobatic).
> So what do you experts think?
>
> Truly,
>
> Noel Bong
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KR> 51% Rule

[D F Lively]

Larry:

Where do I go to get the List?  I assume it is available on the Net. so I am
just trying to "Shorten" the search.

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52601
  

larry severson wrote:

> >"The Amateur Builder(s) must be able to show that they have
> >performed at least 60 of the 119 operations (in the case of a
> >fixed-wing aircraft) in order to qualify for the repairman
> >certificate, and to register their aircraft in the experimental category.
>
> I did not list the specific numbers because some planes will not have
> 119 operations according to the list (Q2/Q200). Also, an autogyro may
> have more than 119 operations. You check off all operations completed
> prior to your activity as being done by the kit manufacturer, and all
> you do to get the 51%.
>
> Larry Severson
> Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> (714) 968-9852
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KR> Anti junk/disabled anything laws

[D F Lively]

Scott:

That may be but the way it is written your son could not even buildan r/c
model airplane are air-boat.  I call that overly broad and unreasonable.
Most places would define a car as junk if it were not licensed and
unkempt. and most that have such ordinances have as a tool to remediate a
problem and not handle things as Brian described being treated.  Did I
miss something here?

That being said I don't like living in incorporated areas either for they
sooner or later get around to dictate your life chapter and verse and then
charge you a premium in the for of taxes for you living in their borders.
They also pass codes and ordinances to mandate how things should be doe
and require that it all be either executed or approved by licenced
persons, generally at a premium price because they "Got Ya"!

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52601

Scott William wrote:

> --- Mark Langford  wrote:
> > Now you can't build or even change the oil in an
> > airplane AT ALL!
>
> One man's junk is another man's treasure.
>
> I can' tell you how many flaming idiots who start a
> car project, only to leave it rusting inthe yard for
> ten years, will tell you that they are in the process
> of "building it".
>
> I have not said anything until now, but now I will say
> it. We are getting ONE SIDE of this story. I'd sure
> like to hear the neighbors chime in on this.
>
> My gut feeling has me thinking that it's more than
> just a problem of one airplane in a garage, just as
> the problem at my house was mor ethan just one Harley
> in the garageit was ten Harleys, late nights
> tuning them, and loud music and beer-drinking idiots.
> But that was ten years ago.
>
> Scott
>
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KR> Anti junk/disabled anything laws

[D F Lively]

Perhaps the Jacksonville City Fathers  should consider relocation to China
or Russia where they would feel right at home and the people would be more
receptive to their dictatorial policies?

Been to Russia so I know where from I speak!

Don Lively
Burlington IA
  

James Ferris wrote:

> If they want to have that much control of your property thay need to be
> paying your mortgage ,  its that simple.
> Jim
>
>   On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:36:55 -0500 "Mark Langford"
>  writes:
> > I don't think I made myself clear enough in my last post.  They are
> > talking
> > about not doing any maintenance or building an aircraft EVEN INSIDE
> > AN
> > ENCLOSED BUILDING, LIKE INSIDE YOUR GARAGE!  That doesn't bother
> > anybody?
> > You can argue all day that some guy may be making all kinds of
> > annoying
> > noises, but there are "disturbing the peace" ordinances that should
> > take
> > care of that.  What you're doing behind closed doors is your
> > business,
> > unless of course it's illegal (and we're talking child
> > abuse/molestation,
> > etc), and now building a homebuilt is illegal as well.  That doesn't
> > bother
> > you guys?
> >
> > Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> > see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
> > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
> >
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KR> KR2s in/near Louisville, KY?

[D F Lively]

Herb:

Probably just as well you need to build the wings for that way it will be an
easy job to install tanks in the wings.  Also you can build it with the
longer  KR2s or Diehl wings and get the stall speed down  which shoulde make
meeting "Sport Plane" specs a posibility if not now later on.  It should be
slow enough to get there with engine the plane has with only a careful prop
selection.  I just took over a prject but the long wings are done and will be
putting a 9 gallon tank in each one so I will need to open them up and then
repair them.  I used the "AirCalc" program and it says my stall should be 45
kts @ 900# or 51 mph @ 887#.  Of  course if you are flying with a 3rd airmans
medical none of that will be an issue.  I am 63 and  I am just going to fly
w/o medical on my pvt. ticket.

You will also be able to nav lights and strobes in your wing tips when you
build the wings which is a plus.

Best of luck

Don Lively
Burlington IA
  

Herb Gayheart wrote:

> Chris
>
>   I remember going to BG in the late 90's to look at a hanger queen Kr2..
> Owned by a German guy who was considerably over 70 then.. Early in Jan
> and it was cold and he was mighty grouchy!!  :-) . Wondering what
> happened to it ?
>
>Another fellow who flies corporate out of Lexington had one there
> also... GA engine..as I recall. ?   He rolled it out for their flyin many
> moons ago.. Jeff Duvall.
>
>I have been bitten by the bug again--fly UL's currently---and have
> located a Kr2 minus wings but with an 1835 Hapi .  Needs wings mainly...
> Going to have a look at it later in the week .  I know that the rear
> mounted aternator must be replaced... Herb
>
>
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:56:07 -0400 "Carter, Chris L \(Jefferson\)"
>  writes:
> > Greetings,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am new to the list.  I have been looking for a listing/registry
> > of
> > KR2s by location so I may contact the owner/builder for a "tour"...
> > I
> > would like to see a completed one and/or one near completion before
> > I
> > begin serious research on the building prospects.
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there a list somewhere that I have not found?  Are there any KR2s
> > in
> > the Louisville area?  Many years ago there was one in Bowling Green
> > but
> > I'm not local to BG anymore and I doubt that it or the owner are
> > still
> > there either.  I should have paid more attention to it back then.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris
> >
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KR> kr' n junk

[D F Lively]

Coda:

Better be careful the "Global Warming" crowd we get after you for all those 
"Green House Gas" generators.


Grins

Don
  

Coda Riley wrote:

> I'm so glad I live in the country.  Gotta have a place to store that 
> old corvair till the engine's out.  (finally out last week) My runway is now 
> a horse pasture, my plane's have required more than 800ft. of runway, so now 
> I have methane producer's mowing my field.  Hard to throw away "good stuff".
>
>   Coda
>
>
> -
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KR> Aeropoxy Chameleon

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Larry:

Underwood may be shooting you straight.

When I worked for AeroJet in Sacramento they were winding 2nd stage "Peace 
Keeper" motor cases with "Pre-preg Kevlar Filament Roving"   The most importent 
reguirement was that it be conditioned in a 20% RH environment after being 
prepreged with Resin because moisture levels above that lead to delaminations 
in the wound cases.. That ment a humidity controled environment which was very 
expensive to do with refrigeration.   I inquired as to what the maximum 
temperature was that the roving could be continuously exposed and was told 150 
Deg. F.   I determined that in Sacramento if it were stored at 135 Deg. F we 
could keep it below 20% RH. because the 99% design wet bulb was 71 Deg. (if I 
remember right in Sacramento)  We had to control the
absolute humidity in the winding area to 63 gr. of water per lb of air and the 
winding was heated to with "Heat Lamps" to a point where the resin matrix was 
activated and the roving would bond together.  I am not  knowledgeable of  the 
system details as much of it I think was classified and may still be.

So  in short humidity levels can have a huge impact on composit resin behavior.

In short I suspect what  A. Underwood says may well be true and his anecdotal 
evidence seems to bear him out.

Don
Burlington, IA


AUnderwood wrote:

> Hay guys. I had the same problem and have had it off and on several times. 
> How humid is it? I called aeropoxy and they said to try one trick. Take a rag 
> and put MEK on it and and lighty wipe the surface. When it won't get hard 
> because of mosture its called blushing. I don't know if age has anything to 
> do with it. But call them to be sure or try a spot thats not important. One 
> thing i found that works good is to build a tent over whatever your working 
> on after the layup and put one of thoes electric oil filled radiator heaters 
> under the tent. No open flame and you can regulate the temp. I've hade it up 
> over a 100 degrees. The aeropoxy people said the hotter its cured the more 
> restant it is to heat after its cured.Anyway hop that helps.
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: larry severson 
> >Sent: Jul 20, 2006 6:42 PM
> >To: KRnet 
> >Subject: Re: KR> Aeropoxy Chameleon
> >
> >At 09:54 AM 7/20/2006, you wrote:
> >>It will not set up for me. It has stayed sticky for a week now.
> >
> >The mixture ratios for ANY epoxy must be EXACT. I suggest that your
> >mixture ratio is off.
> >
> >
> >Larry Severson
> >Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> >(714) 968-9852
> >lar...@socal.rr.com
> >
> >
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KR> Open Cockpit KR2?

[D F Lively]

Phil:

I saw Ken in his KR1, it had a "bubble" canopy but it hinged to the side
as well.  I also saw one is So. CA when I lived there that was dressed out
to look kike a P-51-- scoop and all.

Don

Phil Matheson wrote:

> To my limited knowlage, The first KR1 was open cockpit, and the Taylor
> monoplane to which many say the KR design came from was open cockpit.
>
> Phillip Matheson
> 0408665880 (cell)
> VHPKR
> Australia.
> mathes...@dodo.com.au
> NEW WEB PAGE
> www.philskr2.50megs.com
>
> http://www.vw-engines.com/
> OLD WEB PAGE
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html
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KR> Open Cockpit KR2?

[D F Lively]

Mark:

Could be

Don
  

Mark Langford wrote:

> Don Lively wrote:
>
> > I saw Ken in his KR1, it had a "bubble" canopy but it hinged to the side
> > as well.
>
> Yes Don, but it also flew as an open cockpit (started out that way, I
> think), as shown at http://www.krnet.org/krs/n1436.jpg ...
>
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
>
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KR> Open Cockpit KR2?

[D F Lively]

nrtters:

I can see how a canopy separating from a KR might severely damage the tail
fethers and if not the drag of the "as designed" version on one side of the
craft could certainly cause a big inbalanced drag problem.

Don
  

Ed Janssen wrote:

> Barry,
>
> I doubt if there's anything inherently wrong with building an open cockpit
> configuration (several have been built, mostly KR-1s I believe) of a KR
> relative to aerodynamics.  A canopy which suddenly comes open in flight
> presents quite a different problem.
>
> Ed
>
> Ed Janssen
> mailto:ejans...@chipsnet.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Barry Kruyssen" 
> To: "'KRnet'" 
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:09 PM
> Subject: RE: KR> Open Cockpit KR2?
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Before anyone considers an open cockpit please read the accidents report
> > that Mark collated at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/KRaccidents.doc
> (just
> > search the document for "canopy").
> > The are 4 accident from canopies coming open in flight, 3 are Fatal.  It
> > appears that aerodynamics to the tail feathers may be interrupted.  With
> the
> > right windshield it may be OK, but not for me :-)
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Barry Kruyssen
> > Cairns, Australia
> > k...@bigpond.com
> > http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm
> >
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KR> Re: ORD. 2006-543-e

[D F Lively]

Netters:

Below is an E-mail  I set  to Mr. Corrigan, President of Jacksonville
Florida's City Council.

As an aside I can not help but wonder if he is related to the aviator
named "Corrigan" of "Wrong Way" fame!  If so he is just as lost as his
ancestor.

Don Lively
Burlington IA
  ------------

"D. F. Lively" wrote:

> DearMr. Corrigan:
>
> You need not worry about me ever relocating to your city because of
> your undue interference with the property rights of your citizens.
>
> As evidenced by your passage of the following Ordinance:
> ---
> Introduced by Council Member Lake Ray and amended on the floor of the
>
> council:
> Ordinance 2006-543-e
> An ordinance amending chapter 656 (zoning
> code),  part 4 (supplementary regulations),
> subpart b (miscellaneous regulations),
> ordinance code, establishing section 656.420
> (parking, storage, construction and repair of flying craft
>  and airboats in residential districts, and
>  amending part 16 (definitions), section
>  656.1601 (definitions, ordinance code to
>  include a definition for flying craft;
>  providing an effective date.
> ---
>
> It is governments such as yours who are constantly and incrementally
> abusing your power and chipping away at  the basic civil liberties of
> your citizens that will eventually  turn this country  into a
> totalitarian state if you have your way.   I sincerely  hope that you
> get reigned in on this for it is excessive and over-reaching.  You
> would do well to understand that your actions no longer exist in a
> vacuum  and such things as this can  travel very quickly throughout
> the country.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Donald F. Lively
> 5834 Madison Ave
> Burlington IA 52601
>
>
>
>

KR> camping at Mt. Vernon

[D F Lively]

Bob:

as long as it is the "Low Head" variety-- Don't want the lake getting a head of
foam.

  

Bob Glidden wrote:

> You know it will more then likely be cooler this year also.I think I ended
> up going through about 40 or 50 dollars in ice.But I would rather go that
> route also.
>
> Bob Glidden
> Eminence,Indiana
> KR2S N181FW (building)
> Corvair 110
> glid...@ccrtc.com
> > Given that (and my preference for draft beer), I'll bet we could make the
> > keg thing work.  Although I have no intention of driving a car, I'll bet
> > we
> > can find a volunteer to gofer ice for us.  That way there's cold draft
> > root
> > beer, and no evidence...
>
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KR> camping at Mt. Vernon

[D F Lively]

Hmmm

Grins
  

Lee Van Dyke wrote:

> a little heine is better than no heine...
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bob Glidden" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> camping at Mt. Vernon
>
> >
> > Bob Glidden
> > Eminence,Indiana
> > KR2S N181FW (building)
> > Corvair 110
> > glid...@ccrtc.com
> >
> >> Heineken!
> > Bless you.just kidding Dan a little heine sounds good
> >
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> >
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KR> Excess Items from rebuild!

[D F Lively]

Brian:

I am interested in your nave  for the price you ask if  you can clear up the
noise issue to my satisfaction.  I do not have an Engine yet but plan on a GP
engine assy. which should be much like a Rev Master engine. Also I might be
interested in the loran but will need to do some research.

Don Lively
  
Burlington IA


"Brian G. Douglas" wrote:

> Hi All!
>   I have just completed the repair/rebuild of my KR2 after a partial engine
> failure. I have the following items that are for sale to the KR comunity
> first.  All Prices are firm but included in the price is shipping in the
> CONUS only.
>
> First off a  NARCO Escort II, VHF Nav Com. 14V  This is the self contained
> unit that fits in a 3 1/8 instrument hole.  Depth behind  panel is 10.75"
> and weighs 3 lbs. Comes complete with instlation/operation manual  $350.00
> I removed this because when I converted to a auto plug ignition from
> revmaster the ignition noise rendered the radio sificult to understand.  As
> the mag wires ran very close to the antena wires.   I now have a hard
> mounter Sporties radio.
>
> Second an APOLLO 800 Flybudy LORAN 14 V  I have the unit, mounting tray,
> antena (no wire) instlation instructions and operation booklet w/ quick
> reference guide.  internal data base but no "Data Card"  $80.00
>
> A starter off a revmaster VW the old type that would disengauge after the
> engine was started. I had it out and had the money... so I just got a new
> one as it is so hard to remove when the engine is in ;-)  in "AS REMOVED
> CONDITION"  $40.00
>
> Last a Slick 4216 magneto the should be concidered as A "CORE" only Spruce
> wants $150.00 Core and $ 75.00 including shipping.
>
> Brian G. Douglas
> N8575C
> Killeen Texas
> KR2 with the training wheel
> 254-289-4298
>
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KR> RE:Nose Gear Parts

[D. F. Lively]

Jim:

I just purchased the Nose-Gear Ass'y fo r my KR2.

Address as Follows:

Diehl Aero-Nautical Co
1855 N. Elm
Jenks OK 74037
Ph. (918) 299-4445
Fax.(918) 299-4425
E-Mail d...@deihlaero.com


Jim Sellars wrote:

>Fellows;
>   I would like some assistance in getting the nose gear assembly
>To beef up my nose gear on the KR-2.  Anyone with a used assembly I
>would like to hear about it or info where I may buy the new nose gear
>assembly hardware.
>Best 
>Jim
>
>
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KR> OSH / KR Mini Gathering

[D F Lively]

Larry:

T-Craft run over a KR???  T-Craft are an overcast of  rags.

On another issue the  Barnstormes are making a stop here nex thursday
afternoon on their annual pilgramage.

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52601
  



Larry Flesner wrote:

> At 08:40 PM 7/12/2006, you wrote:
> >Mark:
> >   I plan to come to the KR mini Gathering.  I will probably bring my
> >Taylorcraft.
> >   Joe Weber
> ++
>
> Joe,
>
> Don't run over any KR's in the pattern !!  :-)
>
> Larry Flesner
>
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KR> AUSSIE Gathering / Greatest distance

[D F Lively]

Peter:

Ken Rand had set his up for as much as 60 gallons of fuel which could have
theoretically given him a 2400 mile range so it would be possible to fly a KR
here from  down under by flying west via Europe and perhaps by flying accross
the So atlantic between Africa and Brazil at its narrowest point.( Im not sure
on this one because I don't how far accross it is and it is close)  I do know
that 36 gal has beendone and converting the 2nd passenger area to a 28 gal tank
would surely make it possible to get 60 gal. in a KR.

So Peter Let us know w2hen your coming!



Don
  

Phil Matheson wrote:APeter Bancks

> Ballina
> -
>
> Peter
> May be we can fly formation to the US. that should turn some heads.
>
> What about we Aussies start to plan our own gathering??
> If all Aussie KR owners and builders on the net send me their details and
> contacts I can then put them on a spreed sheet and send them back out  so we
> will all have a copy, and may be start plaining some dates
>
> Where are you up to with your KR Peter.
>
> Phillip Matheson
> 0408665880 (cell)
> VHPKR
> Australia.
> mathes...@dodo.com.au
> NEW WEB PAGE
> www.philskr2.50megs.com
>
> http://www.vw-engines.com/
> OLD WEB PAGE
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KR> engine cost's

[D F Lively]

Coda:

I would say that a Corvair is a good value and would considerit myself if it 
did not have so many ponies.  I will be putting a GP 1835 cc/ 1915 cc in mine 
that I will by as factory built at a little over $6k assembled and run tested.  
I am building mine up to operate within "Sport Plane" limitations and slowing 
it down will be a challenge.  The other issue is to keep the stall down to the 
magic 51 mph my gross will be limited to 887# and that is with 94" long outer  
wing  panels (KR2s Wings).  I am 63 with a mild BP problem with a pvt SEL 
rating but do
not wish to jump through the hoops to keep my medical so Iam convertining to a 
"Sport Pilot" .

D. Lively
Burlington IA
  

Coda Riley wrote:

> I have been following this group for a while, and admire what goes on in exp. 
> aviation.  Hearing the stories, the work, and adventure that come's out of 
> KR'N, make's me wanna get mine going that much quicker.  I have a corvair 
> engine, out of a car.  It's going to need the full "whammy" to get it in 
> aircraft order.  I see other's putting VW's in their plane's.  My question 
> is, how much on average does one spend building a VW or a corvair.  From what 
> I've seen and heard, isn't a good used 85 or 100 hp cont. a better value?  
> Just  covering my options.
>
>   Coda
>
>
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KR> Release compounds

[D F Lively]

Dist:

While waiting for the next step on my Fwd deck fglassing operation I hae started
another attempt to figure out how to make my cowl header tank.

I have obtained (2) 8 in. dia. x 2 in. thk. foam disk and a piece of  22 in. x
28 in. pc. plastic material that they have for making  custom dry erase boards.
I have made that in to an 8 in. ID cylinder 18 in. long and  secured it to the
foam disk wit a 2 in wide plastic Tape tape from Big lots.  After that I  used
(2) spiral lead tape wraps, (1) each hand to hold the cylinder to brevent
uncoiling.  This will be my mold.

What should I coat the outside with as a mold release?

I was cosidering mounting the mold on its longotudinal axis and turning it
carefully while pouring molton parafin wax over its surface until fully coated.
After it was coated I was goin to mount a straight edge to use as a scraper and
thenrotate the mold and apply heat with a heat gun to scrape the wax down to a
uniform thickness.

Next when the wax was fully cooled I would apply a "Gel Coat" using the scrapper
set up that I used for the wax to get a uniform distribution of the coat. (more
or less). Then when that had nearly cured I would take and apply a non-woven
fiber glass mat thouroghly wetted out.  Following that would be another lawer of
woven fiberglass.

I have looked on the Kr-List and Kieth Eberhard in his discussions of mold
making mentions using "Red Pigment" and adding "Cabosil" 10% by volume to epoxy
used instead of  fiber glass resin for making Molds but this will be the tank
itself.  (see below from the internet list)

My intent would be to fonish with a cylender of about 8 inche ID of sufficient
length to make into a header tank of not less then 3 gallons but not more than
3-1/2 Gallon.  After the Filler neck, tank transfer lines that return to
transfer pump suction  Engine feed line with finger strainer and sight glass
connection to the tank were made the I would close the tank ends with fibergas
sandwich ends and leak test.  I may consider usinm a Gems fload swich system to
start and stop the fuel pump rather than have the continuous over flow back to
pump suction.  The idea for the continuous pump operation is that I would have a
visual that the main tanks had gone dry by when the header tank level began to
fall tha that could serve as a warning that I had to get the bird on the ground
and would still have plenty of time to get the job done.

Can anyone advise or even blow what I am trying to do full of holes?  This is a
stage where we can easily fix ill cocieved notions.

Thanks in advance.

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52601





  
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:  Oct 16, 2003 7:12 AM

From: Steven Eberhart 

Subject: Re: KR>molds

Here is a quick run down of how I make most of my molds.

1. Start with a good finish on the plug you are going to make the mold from.

2. put a minimum of three coats of good old Johnson's paste way.  Apply
each wax coat in a different direction and use old flannel bed sheets to
buff out.

3. Spray on one or two coats of polyvinyl alcohol (PVA)

4.  All of my molds are epoxy/glass and I use West Systems epoxy with
the fast hardener.

5. Mix up the epoxy for what will be the mold surface.  I start out with
a batch of West systems  and add red pigment and about 10% by volume of
Cabosil.  The pigment makes a nice uniform color mold surface and the
Cabosil thickens the epoxy somewhat and makes it stick to vertical
surfaces easier and also hardens the surface somewhat.

6. brush on your red jell coat and make it a fairly heavy coat.  Let
cure before continuing.

7.  Scuff the jell coat with a scotchbrite pad so the following layers
will make a good bond to it.

8.  All of the fiberglass used in my molds is fiberglass matte.  I don't
use any woven cloth.  Doesn't matter where you put it in the lay-up if
there is any woven cloth in the mold it will eventually "print through"
and show show up in the surface of the mold.

9. I tear the fiberglass matte into manageable squares and carefully
pull it apart so that each piece is half of its original thickness. Any
cut edges have a tendency to show up as fine lines in the final mold
surface.  I know epoxy isn't supposed to shrink but "print through" is a
problem.  That is why I always work with torn edges and very thin
sections split from the original matte.

10.  Buy a box of 1" throw away chip brushes at Harbor Freight Aircraft
Supply and start applying the torn sections of matte and saturate with
epoxy using the chip brushes stippling out the air bubbles.  It is
fairly easy to see the air bubbles against the red gel coat.  Tear the
pieces as necessary to fit around sharp corners, etc.  Keep applying
matte until you get at lease about an 1/8" lay-up over the complete
surface.  I generally don't go much thicker that 1/8" to 3/16".

11. I generally trim the excess matte from the mold when the glass has

KR> Fw: canopy

[D F Lively]

Jim Raleigh:

RE: RR

I thought I had read something from some some one in the  Fountain Valley
or Costa Mesa area.  Perhaps if they are out there somewhere he could go
over and check out their office.  It is not that far away from Huntington
Beach.  Go west on Warner Ave from Garden Grove far to the west of Beach
Blvd(Hwy 39) and work your way around to the South side of what was at one
time McDonald Douglas's Huntinton Beach facility  to the area of small
comercial Mfg/warehouse/office bldgs.  That is where the office.  Warner
runs from the Costa Mesa -Fountain Valley area all the way over to the
where the Seal Beach Navel Wepons Depot was and maybe still is.

RE weight & Balance problems:

How about taking an old jump suit or Suits and fill plastic garbage bags
that have sand inthem inthe approx config.& wt dist. of a person and place
two in the craft of the desired wt. and then read the weights on the
wheels.  That way no time is lost getting in & out of the plane

Don Lively
Burlington IA



VIRGIL N SALISBURY wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:56:54 -0500 "JIM RALEIGH" 
> writes:
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: JIM RALEIGH
> > To: krnet-requ...@mylist.net
> > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 10:47 AM
> > Subject: canopy
> >
> >
> > I am trying to finish up the kr2s 0200 and hpe to get a weight and
> > balance this weekend. One problem with the weight and balance is
> > that I bought 3 electronic scales from walmart but thay only stay on
> > for a few seconds then turn off before I can crawl into AC also the
> > mechanical stye dial scales only are good for 300lbs.and I have a
> > initial empty wt of 364 lb on one main and 350 lb on the other with
> > 9 lb on the tail wheel (heavy?).
>
> Was this with the tailwheel on the ground ?? Raise it up to the level
> flight position and re-weigh, Virg
>
> >  Another question when I bought my boat from the previous owner  he
> > had epoxyied the standard KR canopy to the prefab canopy holder and
> > made a terrible mess of it and I don't want to spend any more time
> > trying to fix it.  Does RR still sell these parts?  I sent a fax
> > several months ago but got no response. Does any one have any
> > Ideas.
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> >
>
> Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL
> www.lubedealer.com/salisbury
> Miami ,Fl
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KR> post mortum

[D F Lively]

Mark:

I did wat you did on an older 182 that had the mixture knob right above the
cowl flaps and I got it by mistake but the engine did not stop completely but
it sure got my my attention and an adrenelin going.  The wngine did not stop
andimmediately recovered when i quickly reversed my actions.  I 182 has enough
prop that it would windmill and I never let it go that far.  Many have said
that the KR2 engines do not wind mill, so I guess that explanation is possible.

Don L:ively

Mark Langford wrote:

> Kenny W wrote:
>
> >  Ignition issues will not lock up the eng
> > in flight unless the timing gets so far outa wack that a cyl fires while
> > its
> > way advanced.
>
> I'm sure you're not saying that something like a shorted condenser wire or
> high voltage coil wire that's come loose wouldn't stop that engine
> instantly, but it's sort of worded that way.   I once pulled my "throttle"
> out on crosswind since I was almost to pattern altitude, and the engine
> stopped pretty much instantly.  It turns out I'd pulled the mixture out
> instead of the throttle, and that's all it took to kill it, and I had no
> clue as to what'd happened.  Fortunately Bill Clapp was sitting next to me
> and leaned over and stuff the mixture in and restarted it while I was still
> processing that the prop was dead in front of my face!  All of this took
> about three seconds, start to finish.  With high compression and small
> diameter props, if anything happens to the ignition or fuel, the prop's
> going to stop pretty quick, in my experience.
>
> I'm glad to hear that Joe's problem might not be in the bottom end...
>
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> camping at Mt. Vernon

[D. F. Lively]

Mark:

What are the fees associated with using the camping facilities?

Don Lively
Burlington IA


Mark Jones wrote:

>Yes, camping is allowed on the airport grounds in a designated area by
>the lake. As a matter of fact, that is the center of activity from about
>8pm until the wee hours of the morning. All the tall tales are told
>around the camp fire. You don't want to miss it!!!
>
>Mark Jones (N886MJ)
>Wales, WI
>Web site: www.flykr2s.com
>Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
>Behalf Of michaela
>Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:43 PM
>To: KRnet
>Subject: KR> camping at Mt. Vernon
>
>
>I've searched archives, but not found anything regarding camping options
>at/near the gathering? Are there such?
>Thanks. - Tony
>
>
>  
>
>> ---Original Message---
>> From: Mark Jones 
>> Subject: KR> 80 DAYS
>> Sent: 10 Jul '06 17:20
>> 
>> Count em...80 days till the Gathering. Don't get left out, make your
>>
>>
>commitment to bet there now Here is the link to the Gathering info:
>  
>
>> http://krgathering.org/
>> 
>> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
>> Wales, WI
>> Web site: www.flykr2s.com
>> Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com
>> 
>> 
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KR> Re: Rand Robinson

[D F Lively]

Larry:

I called and left a message and she never did get back tome and there have
been a few messages on the KR-net that made me and other wonder.

I Lived in Irvine on Walnut accross from Irvine HS from Dec '70 til July
of  '78 and bought plans for my KR2 while there and in '81 or '82  picked
up a rev. pkg from KR himself.  In al my moving about I lost my reciept
which ID'd my plans set and she never got back to me on it so all in all I
was really wondering if she was still in business.

At the time I was there Kenwas operating out of an small office-warehouse
complex accross fro the south side of HB McDonald Douglas property

Thanks,

Don
  

larry severson wrote:

> At 02:45 PM 7/10/2006, you wrote:
> >Larry:
> >
> >Can you verify whether or not Rand Robinson is still in Business?
> >
> >Don Lively
> >Burlington IA 52601
> >
> >KR2 Builder
>
> It has been 9 months since I last went over there; however, I do not
> think that anything has changed. Jeannette owns 2 adjoining houses
> and operates the business out of one of them. The address is a
> mailbox. Last time I was there, she seemed determined to continue and
> pass the company to her children. Leave a message. she usually gets
> back to you in a fairly timely manner. There simply is not enough
> money in the business for her to have a full time staff.
>
> Larry Severson
> Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> (714) 968-9852
> lar...@socal.rr.com
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KR> Detonation

[D F Lively]

Colin:

When I had my engine failure in a Cardinal in '71 I was told that over-heating 
results from flying it to lean and that became an issure because about 15 min 
before my problem developed I let down from 10,500 to 8,500 on a trip from 
Prescott AZ(PRC) to Santa Ana CA(SNA) at the Colorado River.  I leaned for max 
power during a full power run-up at PRC, elev 5500 ft +/- and then enricht to a 
50 rpm drop and know that I re-set the mixture after let down.  It was a rented 
plane and I was accused of running it to lean.  The trouble was that a factory 
inspection revealed all valves were servicable.  I never rented from them again 
because I found out that they had 5  major mech. failures in 3months prior to 
my experience.  Maybe coincidence but to me it was a possible indicator of poor 
maint.

And it would take a big move of the mixture to kill the engine quickly and if 
that would happen most would surely recognize what they had done immediately

Don

beverlyrai...@bellsouth.net wrote:

> Jim
> I have never heard of an engine quitting due to detonation by itself. If the 
> engine quits is is usually due to the engine damage done by the detonation, 
> not the detonation itself, if that makes sense.  Most often the damage is to 
> the crown of the psiton, since detonation is usually accompanied by a rocking 
> of the piston back and forth on the wrist pin, causing a "slapping" of the 
> piston into the cylinder walls.  This is where the damage occurs, usually 
> breaking some portion of the crown of the piston off and either sending the 
> piece out the exhaust, which sometimes also damages the exhaust valve, or 
> sending it into the oil pan.  A quick compression check can easily discover a 
> damaged cylinder.  This damage can also happen and the engine still operate, 
> possibly with decent power as Mark Jones found when he crushed the ring lands 
> on one of his pistons.  It is possible for your mixture to be too rich for 
> the temp you were seeing, since you were on the upper end of the temp rang!
>  e, and at full rich would probably smother a standard set of plugs, which 
> with that heat would dry themselves.
>
> In engine diagnostics, we always went back to basics whenever we were trying 
> to determine and engine failure: 1) check fuel supply; 2) check ignition 
> capability - good spark; 3) check compression. Those are your three basics. 
> Without them in the right order, all else you check is worthless.  Once you 
> determine these are right and in the correct order, then the ghost hunt can 
> begin.  Worked for me for over 15 years
>
> Colin
> N96TA
>
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KR> Oshkosh Reading

[D F Lively]

Netters:

You would think that these EAA folks could tell the difference!

Don
  

Brian Kraut wrote:

> My KR was always called a Glassair, the Midget Mustang is always called an
> RV, and the Clipper and Pacer are always called Cubs.  When I get the Pitts
> done they will probably get it right.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Kenneth B. Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:01 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Reading
>
> Mark,
>
> I'm not sure what this says about your plane, but they called me a Glassair
> at KOSH last year.  :-)
>
> Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
> Sharonville, OH
> N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
> KHAO
>
>  > I knew my place though, as he kept calling me "yellow
> > Glasair"...
> >
> > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
>
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KR> Oshkosh Reading

[D F Lively]

Bob:

If that is the case we are most likely lucky they recognize anything that is
not an "Aluminum Overcast"!

Don

Bob Glidden wrote:

> Read the NOTAM it's not EAA people in the towers,it's FAA and most of them
> only ever see big jets
>
> Bob Glidden
> Eminence,Indiana
> KR2S N181FW (building)
> Corvair 110
> glid...@ccrtc.com
>
> >
> > You would think that these EAA folks could tell the difference!
> >
> > Don
>
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KR> Oshkosh Reading

[D F Lively]

Linda:

Volenteers are what make the EAA bunch so special

Congradulations for all your efforts

Don Lively
Burlington IA
  

Linda Warner wrote:

> You're all right about most of the guys in the tower etc not getting the type 
> of airplane right. But it's not because they aren't trying. These guys are 
> from all over the country... and how many tower operators ever see that many 
> home builts?
>
> I'm a helper with the welcome wagons at Oshkosh and we're on the same radio 
> freq as the folks who direct and park the planes as they come in.
> Now there's a group who know their planes!!
>
> It's been my finding that the KR's get parked right close to the announcers 
> stand by the arched entrance to the flight line.
> That is, if they are there early. After the show starts, it's hard for them 
> to know where there is a hole to stick someone into.
>
> AND, we're ALL volunteers. Not a paid person out on the field.
>
> It takes over 4000 of us volunteers to put that show on, and we all try our 
> best.
>
> So if some of you feel mis treated or neglected, you're welcome to come and 
> volunteer yourself. That way you will see the situation from the other side.
>
> See ya all in Oshkosh.
>
> John Sickafoose
> Naples, Fl
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Kraut
> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2006 9:20 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh Reading
>
> My KR was always called a Glassair, the Midget Mustang is always called an
> RV, and the Clipper and Pacer are always called Cubs.  When I get the Pitts
> done they will probably get it right.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Kenneth B. Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:01 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Reading
>
> Mark,
>
> I'm not sure what this says about your plane, but they called me a Glassair
> at KOSH last year.  :-)
>
> Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
> Sharonville, OH
> N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
> KHAO
>
>  > I knew my place though, as he kept calling me "yellow
> > Glasair"...
> >
> > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
>
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KR> Re: wing loading test

[D F Lively]

Brian:

Good advice!  I have had a basic course in strenth of materials and know
generally what is invoved but there are nuances(sp) and I would depend on
nothing that I did beyound the simple case and wing loadin is just not all that
simple.  Leave that to the aero engineers.

Don Lively
Burlington IA
  

Brian Kraut wrote:

> I am not normally the one to jump in and discourage someone from trying new
> ideas, but if he does not know how to calculate the theoretical load limit
> on a simple box spar with a degree of certainty that it does not need to be
> tested under actual load and does not know the proper way to test under an
> actual load either then he should not be building his own design.
>
> That being said, there are several good books he can get on aircraft design
> and structures that do explain how to design an airplane for the intended
> loads.  More importantly, they will help him from the beginning stages of
> the design long before he needs to determine if his wings are strong enough.
> I am in New Orleans for work the rest of the week and my library is at home,
> but off the of of my head I would recommend Dan Raymer's Simplified Aircraft
> Design for Homebuilders as a must for general design and performance
> calculations although not for structural information.  Stress Without Tears
> is good.  Check the book section at www.aircraftdesign.com for others.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Albert Cassar
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 6:53 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: KR> Re: wing loading test
>
> Hi all
>A friend  would like to do a wing load test on his new
> project which is his own design. the wing spa and WAF are the same as the
> KR.
> Would he need to have the aircraft upside down and load it with sand bags or
> can it be done right side up.
> If so how do you place the bags (eg) equally over the wing or moor wight at
> the root of the wing.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Albert
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KR> Re: wing loading test

[D. F. Lively]

Netters:

A question on this wing loading test---

Since the wings are suppurted at the tips and somewhat in the middle
it would appear that the wings are are loaded mor as a simple Beam.

Are not wings loaded more like a cantilever beam and as such take
less of a load to fail them?

Don Lively
Burlington IA


M & C wrote:

>What's a KR-4 ?
>
>Mike Turner
>Jackson Mo
>  
>
>>- Original Message - 
>>From: "George M" 
>>To: "KRnet" 
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:04 PM
>>Subject: Re: KR> Re: wing loading test
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Here is the picture : http://www.hsweb.net/bx2/misc/image049web.jpg
>>>If you need plans of the stand I have it.  It was included with my
>>>"KR-4" Plans  :-).
>>>GeorgeM
>>>Long Island NY
>>>  
>>>
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KR> Nose gear failures

[D F Lively]

Mark and Eric:

I concur with Mark Jones on this one as it backs my assesment of the nose
gear question but mine has yet to fly and I have know experience.

Don
  

Mark Jones wrote:

> The only thing with the Diehl nose gear is that the only size tire that
> will fit is the TR100-022 tire from Wicks which is a Shin 3.40x3.00x5
> which is a fairly small tire. If the grass strip is well groomed and
> very smooth, you should have no problem as long as you do soft field
> landings which are very easy to do in a KR. I consistently land on the
> mains holding the nose off until the elevator no longer has any effect
> and lets the nose settle. So far, I have not landed or taken off from
> grass in my KR. I have taxied in grass and had no problem. I use full up
> elevator when I do just to help keep weight off the nose.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> Web site: www.flykr2s.com
> Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:14 AM
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: KR> Nose gear failures
>
> I was told my mount will ship today UPS, the rest I have just need to
> weld
> it to the mount. Just wanting to know how safe they are for grass
> strips.
>
>
>
> Eric Pitts
>
> KR2S
>
> Terre Haute Indiana
>
>
>
>
>
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KR> Nose gear failures

[D F Lively]

Netters:

You may have control over the condition of the strip from which you fly but
how do you know what the strip you go to only once or not often?

The bigger problem is the small wheel(s)!

Don
  



Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO wrote:

> Netters
>
>
>
> Thanks for the info, sounds like it could use a little beef up for grass
> plus the strip needs to be smooth.
>
>
>
> Eric Pitts
>
> KR2S
>
> Terre Haute Indiana
>
>
>
>
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KR> Nose gear failures

[D F Lively]

Brian:

I purchased my Diehl Nose gear in the last month, it is hollow.

I only had a problem wth the heel of the pad that attached to the left motor
mount.
I had to grind off the heel of the pad up to the weld of the brace to clear the
GP (5)
point mount.  It would also help if  told you the tire size that fits the nose
wheel fork.

Don Lively
Burlington, IA
  

Brian Kraut wrote:

> There have been at least a couple that I have heard about.  I do remember
> that the early ones from Diehl were different than the ones he is making
> now.  If I recall correctly he is filling the tube with a composite material
> now.  Or maybe they were composite before and now they are a steel tube or
> vice versa.  Anyway, I know that there was definitely a design change and
> the last time I spoke to him about it a few years ago he was giving free
> exchanges to the new type of tube if you had the old one.  Call him up and
> see what the difference is and if you have the old or new type.  You will be
> hard pressed to find a better and more friendly person to deal with than
> Dan.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Joseph H. Horton
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 1:09 PM
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: Re: KR> Nose gear failures
>
> Eric,
> Just working from memory here but I think that I knew of 2 and
> one was on a grass field, I think that both folded the strut it's self. I
> am sure they were both before 1999 as I first found out about them when I
> joined the net. Having said that I have damaged mine while beating the
> runway into submission on one of my very early flights. It took 4.5 g's
> to bend it 4 deg's. Dan did not have a new one in stock to replace it so
> he told me to bend it back just this once. It took all my weight and
> strength an a 8 ft lever with the strut fit between 2 trailer hitch balls
> on my truck bumper to get it back in shape. Mark is right about it not
> having that much weight on it. Mine was 215#.
> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
> joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
>
> On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:12:32 -0400 Pitts Eric MSgt 181FW/MXOO
>  writes:
> > How many nose gear failures have there been on KRs with the Diehl
> > setup or
> > any setup and what part failed? i.e. The strut the lower mount or
> > engine
> > mount
> >
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KR> you cant beat mobil one for the vw

[D F Lively]

Mac:

Flying to the eastcoast!  Do have amphibious floats for you KR

Grins

Don
  

flymaca711...@aol.com wrote:

> I just cant and wont use any thing other then Mobil one .
>
> gm uses it ford uses it in all there hi perf engines .
>
> some say it leaks out easy ? I have vw so this is normal
>
> they all leak not to bad about pt every 10-12 hrs .
>
> are some of you corvair guy s using it?
>
> i also use marvel mystery oil or if i have the money moa made by b
>
> between oil changes.380 plus hrs no more valve problems  pump gas and
> Mobil one
>
> just say no thanks to graphite slick prolong all the others on the market
>
> mac n1055a flying soon as it stops raining!! on the east
> coast
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KR> measurement of firewall

[D F Lively]

Steve:

I just measured the distance from the top shelf to the top of  the
firewall at the Aircraft centerline and found it to be 5 inches(12.70
cm).   I am at home and the KR is in the garage 20 ft from my office.

Don Lively
Burlington IA 52601
  

steve wrote:

>   greetings all,
>   could some one be able to give me the
> measurement from the top of firewall to the top of longeron ( or top
> shelf) i am trying to blend in the instrument panel with the fire
> wall.. with thanks.. Steve Edwards.. Australia..
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