As, I understand it, the principle behind copyright law is to encourage
creativity by ensuring that those who invest effort in a pattern or other
intellectual property may profit from it. Publishers who take the risk in publishing
the work are also deserving of the right to profit. I believe
I got my Edward Hamilton catalog in the mail today and noticed they have
Ann Collier's Lace Fans book for $17.95 instead of $26.95. I paid full
price for this book and it is worth having if only for the eye candy.
Check the web page.
Janice
Devon
Your suggestion of a gaggle (delegation) of Indian lawyers descending on
Ruth Bean absolutely tickles my funny bone. Maybe Ruth Bean will crumple
with enough pestering (especially creative pestering).
Lorelei
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I propose we send a delegation of Indian lawyers to call on Ruth Bean and discuss
jurisdictional issues and the fascinating subject of Indian copyright law and how it
has developed in the post-colonial sub-continent. I think this will finally bring
them to their
Clay
Dressmakers who serve customers by making dresses for them use commercially
available patterns produced by the standard pattern companies. I suppose
you are talking about producing 1000 copies of a McCall pattern and selling
it at KMart or TJ Max.
Lorelei
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I get a little confused though [...]
So, if there is no profit in the pattern, hypothetically, copying it
doesn't
sound like it is hurting them. [...]
The reason you're getting confused is because you're trying to
I knew when I sent the message earlier today that a few replies would
be posted. All of the copyright information you ever wanted to know is
on the Internet. First, international copyright legislation is for the
most part governed by the Berne Convention, which you will find at:
Dear Johanna and all interested parties.
The Poole Bobbin Lace Society has a picture of the mat worked by a member. (With
close-ups).
http://www.cyberlink.co.uk/pblc/mat.htm
Patty Dowden
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On Wednesday, Aug 27, 2003, at 08:00 US/Eastern, Malvary Cole wrote:
The teacher (whose name I forget - blacked out for ever from my memory
in
disgust at her attitude) took one look at my feeble attempts and said
in a very
snooty voice - Not very good, is it?
There are people in every
In a message dated 8/27/03 9:23:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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I was very sorry to hear about Doreen Wright - and a little surprised that
there has been no more comment about her.
Dear Lacemakers and Jane Read,
This is typical of many postings - no
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From: Aurelia L. Loveman, 103364,1155
To: Jane Read, INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, Aug 27, 2003, 4:10 PM
RE: [lace] Doreen Wright
Well, since you ask... she was indeed quite a character. Endless,
boundless energy, and she
My publisher told me that the break-even point for book sales/publishing
costs is 300 copies, and they won't normally publish anything unless they
can sell at least that number. Obviously they want to sell more to make a
profit, but the philosophy of the company is that even a small interest
group
On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 05:18 AM, Jeri wrote:
If you have Doreen Wright's book, it would be nice to print and put in
the book:
http://www.laceguild.org
Thanks Jeri for that suggestion; I've just printed it off; now to find the
book! I think I know where it is.
Brenda
I've just found my copy of her book to add the print out of The lace Guild'
s website obituary, and it's signed by her - on 28 August 1981, 22 years
ago today!
Brenda
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Hello Everybody,
What's written here:
But someone else could do the same thing - get the original and make it
into a pricking and a pattern, I mean. All you would have to do is draw
it out and make the pricking and keep records of the process so that
you could prove you didn't just copy Ruth
Thank you to those who responded to my query about Doreen Wright. I greatly
enjoyed reading your stories and some really made me smile; Brenda's desk!
and Aurelia's australian student! They reinforce the impression I have of a
real character.
While I'm most interested in making lace, I enjoy
I wonder if Ruth Bean realises that many of the lacemaker desperate for the
mat pricking are not interested in the book which was sold separately. So
printing the pricking and accompanying sheet should not be such a problem.
Diana (Northamptonshire, UK)
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There is a copy of Doreen Wright's book just listed on
ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3547446797
Clay
Clay Blackwell
Lynchburg, VA
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I was wondering what those of you that have Doreen's book think of it. Can anybody
tell me what the copywrite date is and is it still in print?
I would like to also thank all of those people that sent me emails on the York (in
the Shambles) Lace shop and bobbin response. I accidently
From: Bev Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I prefer to make my original designs available through lace magazines, for
the
price of buying the magazine.
OK, we've been exploring copyright law through the hypothetical example of
Miss Channer's mat. And Vivienne, I do believe most of the messages
I was wondering what those of you that have Doreen's book think of
it. Can anybody tell me what the copywrite date is and is it still in
print?
I would like to also thank all of those people that sent me emails on
the York (in the Shambles) Lace shop and bobbin response. I accidently
Hello Lacemakers
We still have openings in all of the classes, both bobbin lace and
tatting, for the Living Lace of Omaha's Lace Workshop Weekend--October
18th and 19th. There are alot of cheap hotels in the area.
We have alot of vendors coming: Snowgoose, Unique Expressions, DS9
Designs,
I will be in Ithaca,New York and will be taking the Milanese Workshop Sat-Monday. I
am so Cited!! I have been wanting to take a workshop on this kind of lace for
along time. I hope as in last year...I can finish the learning piece before I leave
the classroom on Monday afternoon...Here is
Some years ago at a lace convention a lawyer addressed us on the subject of
copyright. It was an amusing presentation because the orientation of the talk
was the supposition that members of the audience may have designed something
that they would like to protect and how to do that. However, all
A couple of things... the first is that the pricking published by Ruth
Bean is not the original but an adaptation by Anne Buck of the original.
Perhaps she can have some influence on the possibility of republishing
the pricking? Does anyone know when Ruth Bean Publishers started in
business? If it
Dear Adele,
But someone else could do the same thing - get the original and make it
into a pricking and a pattern, I mean. All you would have to do is draw it
out and make the pricking and keep records of the process so that you
could prove you didn't just copy Ruth Bean's version.
I'm
I just did a search on Ebay for maltese lace one of the items was
for 2 lengths of an narrow edging. The third photo is of the lace being
made on a very narrow pillow held up against the window frame. I was
so intrigued that I asked the seller if he/she made the lace if they
were from Malta.
Consider the following dark scenario.
The president of Ruth Bean finds that the e-mail campaigns to republish
Channer are now coming quarterly, rather than yearly. The increasingly angry tone
of these campaigns suggests that some people who would not engage in illicit
photocopying might engage
Do you know the date of the copyright and whether it was copyrighted by Bean
or Buck. Is Buck dead?
As to morality? Is it moral to sit on something that you cannot profit from
and keep it from the rest of the world just because you have a *legal* right
to do so?
Tom Andrews
- Original
Yes, if you own something it is your right what you do with it. Also a lot of
the people on this soap box have never seen the mat, second it is quite
boring, third they couldn't do it and finally the only thing that excites people is
the number of bobbins!
KEEP LACING, VIVIENNE,
In a message dated 8/28/03 11:43:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bev brings up something I've wondered about. If I buy the magazine with
her
design in it, would it violate copyright if I let my friend(s) copy her
pattern? Are they supposed to buy their own copies of the magazine in
order
Hi Spiders,
I am struck with amount of energy we pour in to discussing Ms. Channer and her mat.
What is it about us as a group that makes this topic so riveting? She was determined
to not let lace die, as was Doreen Wright, whom I have begun to know belatedly through
your anecdotes. These
In a message dated 08/28/2003 1:25:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Copyright is copyright and just because someone is a friend or doesn't want
to
be inconvenienced by having to hunt down a back issue on ebay or something,
it is still a copyright violation!
As I
Marcie wrote:
A greedy (or uncaring)
publisher or uncaring (or hateful) relative could bury our work in much
the same way as Miss Channer's work is being buried... for nearly 3/4 of
a century after we die, or longer if a corporation can get hold of the
copyright! I appreciate Vivienne and other's
On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 04:41 PM, Sherry wrote:
I was wondering what those of you that have Doreen's book think of
it. Can anybody tell me what the copywrite date is and is it still in
print?
I think it's fair to say that it's not the best BL book around, but it was
the first of the
From: Brenda Paternoster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On the subject of Miss Channer's mat; copyright is the right to exactly
reproduce. I believe that if you own a worked mat (from a purchased
pricking), and then re-drew it from scratch using a suitable grid you would
own the copyright on the new
As far as I am aware Miss Anne Buck is alive (and I hope well), she wrote
the book that accompanied the pricking but did not adapt it, that was done
by Mrs Patricia Bury.
'Miss Buck is well known for her work in the fields of English costume and
lace. As a young assistant at Luton Museum she took
The photograph of the mat which appears in the book In the Cause of English
Lace I quote:
'Point ground lace designed by Miss Channer worked by Mrs Dixon of Clapham,
Bedford, at one of the classes of the Bedford Technical Institute, c.1926.
Actual size 340mm x 250mm. (Cecil Higgins Art Gallery)'.
Hi everyone
This is indeed 'ein weites Feld' and a topic that rears its head at least
once a year on arachne, or so it seems ;)
Robin wrote:
Bev brings up something I've wondered about. If I buy the magazine with
her design in it, would it violate copyright if I let my friend(s) copy
her
There are six copies of Lace Friends of Luton Museum Bobbin Lace pattern
book for sale on ebay at a 'Buy-it-now' price of just 70 pence plus postage.
Description:
Lace Friends of Luton Museum Bobbin Lace pattern book with a variety of
original patterns in Torchon, Bedfordshire, Honiton, Bucks
I am glad Bev brought up the matter of libraries. There is an entire
profession of people devoted to the principle that making published material available
to people who have not bought the books or magazines serves an important
public interest. Why they are not rounded up and put behind bars
Hi everyone
Just to change the subject to a less wide Field than copyright...remember
we were chatting about one-handed lacing - I tried it with my Flanders
ground edging - did not last long with working with one hand. Torchon no
problem, but Flanders ground - it goes much better with both hands
Thank you, Devon, for adding some levity to this subject
which has become ponderous to the point that I'm beginning
to delete without reading... but the thugs got my
attention!!
Clay
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I'm afraid I think this was purely an exercise in bolstering the teacher's
ego and sense of power, rather than one in teaching!!
Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)
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class there had been a lady who'd been making lace for
several years and who
I went shopping in there once in 1989, and was looking for a tie to take
home to my Dad - I went into the rooms with ties - and have never seen so
many in one place in my life!
That was a wonderful experience! :-)
Cheers,
Helen, Aussie in Denver
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Just funny :
http://www.anniecicatelli.com/liens.htm
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Dear Toni,
Well, ladies, it's been both fun and educational,
but I'm not leaving to stagnate (compost ? g)
- I will be 'growing' in a different direction.
I'm sure some of us blokes are going to miss you too
It was fun
David in Ballarat
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