Re: [lace] FW: 1000 marbles
I went to arachne homepage to find the address to our moderator (not Liz) but could not find it. Is it allowed to send chainletters to a list? I find it very uneasy when people do so. Yours Ann-Marie [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://community.webshots.com/user/annma1 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: [lace] FW: 1000 marbles
The moderator address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] The chainletter seemed harmless enough, one of those warm-and-fuzzy things that people don't take too seriously (compared to a potentially harmful one like Send this letter to 10 of your friends and CC this address so that a school can track how many Internet users are out there and find a cure for cancer, which could easily clog up an e-mail system). If others feel strongly about this, please write to me privately, since I don't want to take up lace time with non-lace debates. Best wishes, Avital From: Ann-Marie Lördal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/08/03 Sun AM 09:46:23 GMT+03:00 To: lace arachne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [lace] FW: 1000 marbles I went to arachne homepage to find the address to our moderator (not Liz) but could not find it. Is it allowed to send chainletters to a list? I find it very uneasy when people do so. Yours Ann-Marie [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://community.webshots.com/user/annma1 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Summer/winter projects
Having finished the extension to my 22 inch round pillow, which works very well (and having dropped it end-on on my foot), I'm now going back to the Intermediate Torchon Assessment for the UK Lace Guild that I started last year. I got a couple of samples done before it was interrupted by my class's entry for next year's Myth or Mystery Lace Guild competition. Class members have each made one or two pieces for a group entry, and it took me the whole academic year to make my two pieces. Now I'm returning to Torchon, and it's taking a while to get back into the swing of such a geometric structured lace after a year of free-style. I've made a fan edging from La Encajera as a start to getting back into a Torchon frame of mind, and I've just started on the next sample for the assessment. But, boy, are the brain cogs grinding slowly - no you can't work the ground on *both* sides of a trail while actually working it; you need a lot more thread on the bobbin for the worker in cloth stitch or a fan are just a couple of things my brain forgot to remind me about. Still I think I'm back into it now. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [lace] Summer projects
Dear Spiders, I'm currently working my way through Mary Niven's Flanders Lace, and its driving me mad! I don't really like working from diagrams, and find Flanders ground very frustrating - 4 pairs and 6 (count 'em!) separate stitches for one pinhole! I'm more used to Point ground, where you use 2 pairs and don't even have to cover the pin. I'm no where near pattern VIII, so it'll be some time before I catch up with Bev. However I must persevere, as I have booked for a Binche course in February, and everybody says you need to grasp Flanders first. I was much encouraged by Clay's enthusiasm for Binche, and her assurance that you can, eventually, get away from the diagrams. On my mindless pillow, suitable for travelling or sitting in the garden, is a length of a simple Bucks Point edging - Peacock's Eye - in pale turquoise with a metallic blue gimp. Sounds a bit gaudy, but it isn't really. I've done just over a yard, plan to trim a blouse with it (next summer...or the one after.) Might even complete the 5-metre challenge. My next serious piece is a beautiful Bucks corner, designed by Pamela Nottingham. Pricking and bobbins to be prepared before the start of next term. Oh, and I have to mount two Crysanthemum lace scarf ends completed last term. The chiffon's there, and the lace, and the silk threadsomehow they havn't put themselves together! Bridget, about to make lace in the garden, in Watford, England. _ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Lace Fans
I too am a great fan of the Fan Museum in Greenwich. They pulled out all the stops last year with an exhibition of lace fans to mark the OIDFA visit. Over now, alas, but there are some pictures on their website: www.fan-museum.org go to Temporary Exhibitions - Exhibition Archive. The current exhibition is A Fanfare for the Sun King from 3rd June until 21st September 2003. I don't know if there is any lace, I hav'nt seen it yet, but it should be spectacular. Bridget, in Watford, England. _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] 1000 marbles and the like
Anne-Marie brought something to my attention. The 1000 marbles message really belongs on lace-chat, since it has nothing to do with lace. Please, folks, pay attention to the address you're sending to and ask yourself, Is this message about lace? before sending to the lace list. If it's not about lace, it should go to lace-chat. Thanks, everyone! Avital - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Sage advice wanted
Very slang. I think it might come from What are you doing? because there's also Wotcher doin'? but I'm not sure. Or in Australia one might hear something like: Wotcher gunna gedupda tomorra horra? Suppose I'd better translate before I'm asked: What are you going to get up to tomorrow, Horror? In this case, horror is very difficult to explain. It obviously rhymes, and although not a pleasant word, here one would only use it to a friend. David in Ballarat Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] 1000 marbles and the like
I would like to apologize to Anne-Marie and the group as a whole, I did key in the wrong address to send 1000 Marbles. I will watch and be more careful in the future. Lorri hanging my head in shame - Original Message - From: Avital Pinnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 4:40 AM Subject: [lace] 1000 marbles and the like Anne-Marie brought something to my attention. The 1000 marbles message really belongs on lace-chat, since it has nothing to do with lace. Please, folks, pay attention to the address you're sending to and ask yourself, Is this message about lace? before sending to the lace list. If it's not about lace, it should go to lace-chat. Thanks, everyone! Avital - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Subject: [lace] Summer projects
On Sunday, August 3, 2003 Bridget wrote: However I must persevere, as I have booked for a Binche course in February, and everybody says you need to grasp Flanders first. Since everybody says this I guess I'm sticking my neck out here, but here I go with my own personal opinion: I think knowing about Flanders helps you with Binche in only a couple of ways: one is being familiar with the way the worker is dropped and becomes a passive, while another pair picks up and starts working. The other is the use of a ring pair. Having learned Binche and Flanders, I don't think being familiar with the Flanders ground is going to help you much, because in Binche the ground area is often filled with snowflakes and you only get bits and pieces of what we think of as a ground stitch and that's often Paris or Valenciennes ground anyway, not Flanders ground. This is all working up to some encouragement, Bridget - I don't think you need to work your way through the Niven book - even the early patterns (like #2 and #3) have the Binche elements I mentioned. And #4 has a couple of different ways of making cloth stitch areas and snowflakes. So I'd suggest that if you understand the ring pair and the worker changes you can stop fidgeting with Flanders if you like. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Newnham Nylon bobbin winder
While thumbing through all my torchon books to get different slants on coronet fans, I noticed a picture of bobbin winders on page 23 in 'Torchon Lacemaking' by Elizabeth Wade with the caption A reproduction bobbin winder kindly lent by Iona Thomas, and a modern nylon bobbin winder. The bobbins are in position for winding. Has anyone noticed that the bobbin in the nylon winder is the wrong way round. If you put the bobbin in the nylon winder as shown with the neck inside the clamp, the thread will wind round the the outside of the clamp, not round the bobbin. So if anyone's followed this picture and had no success with using it, the shank of the bobbin should be inside the clamp, with the neck sticking out. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace Fans to :
I too am a great fan of the Fan Museum in Greenwich. They pulled out all the stops last year with an exhibition of lace fans to mark the OIDFA visit. Over now, alas, but there are some pictures on their website: www.fan-museum.org Bridget, in Watford, England. Thank you, Bridget, not only have you given me an URL to keep and continue visiting - the URL for the museum has reminded me that *all* commercial venture URLs do not end in .com and that a - is an allowable character to use in an URL . . . Toni in Seattle - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Binche precursors
On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:54:25 -0700, Adele wrote: On Sunday, August 3, 2003 Bridget wrote: However I must persevere, as I have booked for a Binche course in February, and everybody says you need to grasp Flanders first. Since everybody says this I guess I'm sticking my neck out here, but here I go with my own personal opinion: I think knowing about Flanders helps you with Binche in only a couple of ways: one is being familiar with the way the worker is dropped and becomes a passive, while another pair picks up and starts working. The other is the use of a ring pair. SNIP I learnt the traditional way, Flanders, Paris then Binche. But I agree with Adele, the ring pair and passive/worker swap are the things that Flanders and Binche have in common. However, I'd urge would be Binche learners to do a practice snippet of Paris with some thread oddments - no need to do a whole piece. Binche fills up some of its background areas with Paris ground, worked in all sorts of odd combinations of part rows. Familiarity with Paris ground is helpful (not essential, but useful) when learning Binche. The Paris ground areas are then a welcome rest from the struggles with the remainder of the Binche, and can be worked without tracing every stitch on the working diagram. Although Paris ground is 'only' Kat stitch from Bucks point, it does have its difficulties and I kept losing a ground pair into the motifs until I'd practised it for a while. So Bridget, cut off the Flanders with a clear conscience and use the bobbins for a bit of Paris instead. -- The test of a vocation is the love of the drudgery it involves. Logan Pearsall Smith Steph Peters, Manchester, England [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace precursers
On Sunday, August 3, 2003 Bridget wrote: However I must persevere, as I have booked for a Binche course in February, and everybody says you need to grasp Flanders first. OK, Now you've really got me going! Surely, in the past all these different laces, being regional variations on a theme, were taught without the lace student having ANY knowledge of lace at all. Laceworkers in one village/lace school or whatever would not have been exposed to other laces first. It is quite possible for anyone to learn any lace without learning other laces first. I make and teach Honiton and I am getting SO frustrated that other lacemakers here will tell prospective students, both at demonstrations and at guild meetings, (and often in front of me) that before they can learn Honiton they must first do Torchon, Beds and Bucks. Not so. If you live in Devon - do you learn Torchon before you learn Honiton? of course you don't. I thought that this was a problem peculiar to Australia and to Honiton but apparently it happens in other parts of the world and with other laces too. So Bridget, go for it, do what you want to do and not what everybody says Just enjoy your lace. PS. Are there any of the Devon lace teachers on this list? I could do with some advice. Please respond off list. Thanks. Annette in Melbourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Advice, please, on the donut candle holders
Hi Clay and all, Sorry I forgot to sign off, but I realized 2 seconds after sending the message and sent another. Matthew and I live in South Wales in the UK. Matthew turns bobbins and I pyrograph them and add sparklers to them. Also I design and sell patterns which is why I mentioned Matthew selling the UFOs with the acetate discs. At lace days we have the UFOs on the table with the lace in, on the acetate disc and I thought that it was probably where Jacquie's student had seen the mounted lace. I didn't want to say to much as I don't want to be seen as advertising our wares and I usually sign off with a couple of lines about us. I don't know where there is a picture of these on the internet, but if any one wants to see one, I can take a photo and e.mail it. Susan Groh in the US sells them. They are really attractive items and make super presents. Imagine a glass flying saucer with an indentation in the top to take a tea light, and lace inside. Jenny Mother of Matthew who turns the bobbins for me to pyrograph and then add the sparklers. - Original Message - From: Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jshester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [lace] Advice, please, on the donut candle holders Hi ! These sound very unusual and pretty - is there a picture posted on the internet somewhere? I'd love to see one... try one... Your instructions made perfect sense to me... well done. As I'm in the US, not UK, I'm not familiar with you, Matthew, or your candle holders. Could you give us your name(s) so we don't have to take about whoz-its candle thingy! Clay - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Lace precursers
Annette Don't get me going on this one - ok I will. When I finally found a lace teacher she informed the class that before we could make anything we had to make worm bandages - Ok, so she didn't call them that but that is what they were - we spent 3 weeks just making long thin lengths of whole stich or half stich. I found a small beds pattern I wanted to make and was told that it would be 'ages, simply ages' before I could attempt it. So, I made torchon samplers for 6 months. Then I got fed up and went out and bought a few good books and instead of making a small piece of beds I taught myself honiton. So, 6 months after never having made lace before I was on honiton. OK, so some people just don't master certain types of lace but for those who can then they should be allowed to try everthing. Since then, I have been taught how to train people, as part of my job, speciallising in training people with learning difficulties. So now, I know that is what is really important that people see that they are creating something that has meaning - this gives a point to their learning - so I always start off with the Springett snake, when teaching, because when they have done that they know how to whole stitch and have something more interesting than a worm bandage. And when I'm asked - can I do this - I always say, Ok, lets look at the pattern and see what you know and what we need to practice or learn first and get them to identify the elements of the pattern - this gives them buyin to the learning. If they have the techniques then off they go - if not then I get them to practice the stitch or element that they don't have yet. Works for me. Regards Liz Beecher -Original Message- From: apcdlally [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 August 2003 00:45 To: lace arachne Subject: [lace] Lace precursers On Sunday, August 3, 2003 Bridget wrote: However I must persevere, as I have booked for a Binche course in February, and everybody says you need to grasp Flanders first. OK, Now you've really got me going! Surely, in the past all these different laces, being regional variations on a theme, were taught without the lace student having ANY knowledge of lace at all. Laceworkers in one village/lace school or whatever would not have been exposed to other laces first. It is quite possible for anyone to learn any lace without learning other laces first. I make and teach Honiton and I am getting SO frustrated that other lacemakers here will tell prospective students, both at demonstrations and at guild meetings, (and often in front of me) that before they can learn Honiton they must first do Torchon, Beds and Bucks. Not so. If you live in Devon - do you learn Torchon before you learn Honiton? of course you don't. I thought that this was a problem peculiar to Australia and to Honiton but apparently it happens in other parts of the world and with other laces too. So Bridget, go for it, do what you want to do and not what everybody says Just enjoy your lace. PS. Are there any of the Devon lace teachers on this list? I could do with some advice. Please respond off list. Thanks. Annette in Melbourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk ** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the individuals named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you should be aware that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding or other duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. The views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual author and not necessarily those of Vivista Limited. Prior to taking any action based upon this e-mail message you should seek appropriate confirmation of its authenticity. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the e-mail reply facility. ** _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Advice, please, on the donut candle holders
Jenny, I (she says proudly) have a complete bunny collection from you guys. I have a pair of midlands bobbins along with a needle case, round thing you stick pins in (yoyo) and wax holder - the sparklies are the bunnies' tales. They were a birthday pressie from my parents last year and I adore them. Whilst it may be advertising to promote your own wares it isn't for me to do so and I will happily tell people how pleased I am with them. Whilst Regards Liz Beecher Vivista Limited -Original Message- From: jshester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 August 2003 00:50 To: Arachne; Clay Blackwell Subject: Re: [lace] Advice, please, on the donut candle holders Hi Clay and all, Sorry I forgot to sign off, but I realized 2 seconds after sending the message and sent another. Matthew and I live in South Wales in the UK. Matthew turns bobbins and I pyrograph them and add sparklers to them. Also I design and sell patterns which is why I mentioned Matthew selling the UFOs with the acetate discs. At lace days we have the UFOs on the table with the lace in, on the acetate disc and I thought that it was probably where Jacquie's student had seen the mounted lace. I didn't want to say to much as I don't want to be seen as advertising our wares and I usually sign off with a couple of lines about us. I don't know where there is a picture of these on the internet, but if any one wants to see one, I can take a photo and e.mail it. Susan Groh in the US sells them. They are really attractive items and make super presents. Imagine a glass flying saucer with an indentation in the top to take a tea light, and lace inside. Jenny Mother of Matthew who turns the bobbins for me to pyrograph and then add the sparklers. - Original Message - From: Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jshester [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [lace] Advice, please, on the donut candle holders Hi ! These sound very unusual and pretty - is there a picture posted on the internet somewhere? I'd love to see one... try one... Your instructions made perfect sense to me... well done. As I'm in the US, not UK, I'm not familiar with you, Matthew, or your candle holders. Could you give us your name(s) so we don't have to take about whoz-its candle thingy! Clay - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk ** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the individuals named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you should be aware that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding or other duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. The views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual author and not necessarily those of Vivista Limited. Prior to taking any action based upon this e-mail message you should seek appropriate confirmation of its authenticity. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the e-mail reply facility. ** _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace Guild Web Site update
To take part in workshops at the Conference Shirley referred to, it is necessary to be a member of the Australian Lace Guild, which perhaps explains why it has not been advertised in other publications or websites. Shirley, thank you for the web site - I now have a picture of what I'm coming too!! Just for the interest of others, I'm supposed to be running a 2-day workshop, teaching people how to use the lace design programme, Lace 2000 at this conference. The Committee has made arrangements to hire a computer room at a nearby College...which means we'll have access to 30 computers!! If we get 10 starters for the workshop, that means we'll have a computer for each hand AND a spare for each student Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) Jean Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Shirley in Adelaide wrote: Jean is off to the US of A at the weekend to the IOLI lacefest - for which I even found a pic of Hasbrouck Heights - isn't Google wonderful!) Coincidence?? Our Australian Lace Guild Conference (which is a week long) will be held at another HH place. If you go to http://www.hosannaheights.com/ Just a reminder, as it says on the web site, that if you have a lace event that you think is of international (rather than just local) interest, let us know and we'll be happy to include it in our events section. We insist on a graphic, but we can usually find something ourselves if need be. Sometimes people send info about courses or events in continental Europe to the Lace Guild for inclusion in Lace magazine, but as that only appears every three months, announcements often appear too late for people to plan. In contrast, we can post on the website within a couple of days, so please also communicate directly with us. Although the info doesn't reach quite the same audience, currently our home page is accessed 1100 times per week, and is the first item on the list when you search for the term 'lace' with Google. David (and Jean who is having a stressful time packing) -- http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities! Try Yahoo! Personals, FREE for a limited period! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Advice, please, on the donut candle holders
Now that's what I call a *really* hot relationship! Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) barbara pierpont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ooohhh, I am so reminded of the lace/candlestick incident my DH and I experienced --- We were just married and were given a beautiful set of candlesticks with tatted lace around them. They were lovely. Were. We had a romantic dinner with the candles lit (this was early in the marriage, remember) and things progressed as newlywed affairs will doAnd we set the table on fire. We forgot to blow out the candles when we - umm, you know - went upstairs! The candle had melted down and caught the lace on fire. Which caught the tablecloth on fire, etc. And the moral of this story is: Keep the flames of love burning but blow out the candles first! Barbara in lovely, cool, Kentucky - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities! Try Yahoo! Personals, FREE for a limited period! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] 10 Public Servants
what sweet reading to my civil servant's eyes ! a wee bit sad though .. we seem to be an endangered species ... i often wonder if people here who want fewer civil servants realize soldiers, cops, teachers, nurses and firemen ARE civil servants ! ...VBG dominique David Collyer a gazouillé à Ò[lace-chat] 10 Public ServantsÓ. [2003/08/01 20:02] TEN PUBLIC SERVANTS (A cautionary poem for our times) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] 10 Public servants
Dominique wrote: i often wonder if people here who want fewer civil servants realize soldiers, cops, teachers, nurses and firemen ARE civil servants ! I was in public service for most of my working life: Civil Service (central government), laboratory technician for Blood Transfusion Service, hospital secretary, PA to the Chairman of Thames Water during the privatisation process, laboratory technician in a teacher training college, and finally teacher of 15 and 16 year-olds for 27 years. At age 52 when the school were looking for redundancies (If you're over 50 you get a tax free lump sum (in my case a year's salary) plus your pension with 10 years added), my response was Where do I sign? I was planning to retire on ill-health grounds because of RA the following year at 53, when I'd have had 6 and two thirds years added to my pension taking me up to equivalent of 60 (normal retirement age for a women then), but this way I got equivalent to 62 and a half. I'd also decided that I was beginning to get out of touch with the youngsters I taught. When the leaving year had their prom and put the photos up the next day, my reflex reaction to girls wearing what looked to me like a bra and not much else was Good Heavens, they're half naked! So it was time to go, even without the financial incentive. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
