Re: [lace] Torchon Zig zag trails

2004-08-27 Thread Alice Howell
At 04:00 PM 8/27/2004, you wrote: My question is this - what's your opinion on the width of a zig zag trail, given that if you just work it continuously, the "zig" will be one pair of passives less than the "zag". There's another way to make the zigzag trails so they have the same number of passi

Re: [lace] Auction pictures--chantilly shawl

2004-08-27 Thread Alice Howell
> OK, If it took 10 women, 10 years to make one of those shawls Whoaback. Think a bit. This is an old wives tale...exaggeration. These lacemakers were proficient. They did this every day and were good at it. And the work day was longer than the modern worker has. Even if the shawl were

Re: [lace] copyright

2004-08-27 Thread Thelacebee
Also, in the UK there is this website: http://www.dacs.org.uk/copyright.shtm which is for the Design and Artists Copyright society which has some great info on it Regards Liz in London I'm back blogging my latest lace piece - have a look by clicking on the link or going to http://journals.ao

Re: [lace] copyright

2004-08-27 Thread Thelacebee
In a message dated 28/08/2004 05:46:14 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Weronika > If you have concerns about copyright and are thinking about putting > adaptations up on a website, you really SHOULD go to the U.S. Copyright > office website and review it very carefully. They will

[lace] Asking for copies was :One Designer's Input on Her Copyrights

2004-08-27 Thread Thelacebee
In a message dated 28/08/2004 02:32:39 GMT Standard Time, Tamara writes: > "Rendition" might be better? I usually put "interpretation" on mine, > but that's because I tend to twiddle, however minutely, with the > existing patterns (even my own ). Now why doesn't it surprise me that Tamara twiddle

re: [lace] intent of copyright law (shortish)

2004-08-27 Thread Bev Walker
Hi everyone - to prolong the discussion only a bit more: >or deriving any work from the copyrighted work. By making lace you are >deriving a work in thread from the pricking. > No, you are using the pricking for its intended use - a derivation would be altering the pricking, or taking elements of

Re: [lace] One Designer's Input on Her Copyrights

2004-08-27 Thread Thelacebee
In a message dated 27/08/2004 19:28:33 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > * Can I make copies of the prickings for my own use? YES! Make > zillions, I don't care. Wallpaper your bathroom with them--whatever you > do with them for YOU is fine. > > > PS: the most frequently asked q

[lace] large bobbins

2004-08-27 Thread Lorelei Halley
Weronika I have some large Danish bobbins, about 5 inches long. They are intended for use with thicker than usual threads. They might not break fine thread, but they are clunky and one would normally not want to use them unless necessary. They seem to work with pearl cotton size 8 or thicker, li

[lace] copyright

2004-08-27 Thread Lorelei Halley
Weronika If you have concerns about copyright and are thinking about putting adaptations up on a website, you really SHOULD go to the U.S. Copyright office website and review it very carefully. They will give you a fair amount of guidance. http://www.copyright.gov/ I'm not a lawyer but I can rea

[lace] Re: One Designer's Input on Her Copyrights

2004-08-27 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Aug 27, 2004, at 14:30, Cathy Belleville wrote: KANT magazine publishes patterns with two names: Designed by XXX and Realization by XXX. While Realization is an admittedly awkward translation, "Rendition" might be better? I usually put "interpretation" on mine, but that's because I tend to twi

Re: [lace] Ithaca Lace Days

2004-08-27 Thread Susan L. Benzer
At 08:45 PM 8/26/2004, Jane Viking Swanson wrote: Hi All, I'm just wondering if anybody has heard about their classes at the Ithaca (NY) Lace Days? I can't find my copy of the brochure and I can't remember when they will send out notification. Needless to say I'm quite anxious . Got mine yesterd

[lace] Ithaca Lace Days - Yessss!

2004-08-27 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Aug 27, 2004, at 9:35, Panza, Robin wrote: My notification came last night. I got Lohr's class on point ground butterflies. The pricking and photo of the class project came, too. It's **gorgeous**!!! Mine came today, and I too got my first choice: "Rosa Libre: A New Flower Lace", with Cathy

[lace] Re: Portugal and lace

2004-08-27 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Aug 27, 2004, at 19:56, Margot Walker wrote, in response to Faye Owers: Peniche is a fishing and lace-making town on the coast of Portugal, north of Lisbon. It's wonderful. Another lacy place in Portugal seems to be Villa do Conde. I have no idea where it is, but it seems to have a lace mus

[lace] Portugal

2004-08-27 Thread Margot Walker
I'm moving this from Lace Chat, because it's really about lace. Peniche is a fishing and lace-making town on the coast of Portugal, north of Lisbon. It's wonderful. There are a couple of lace schools, including one next to the tourist information centre (at least it was there when I visited

[lace] Torchon Zig zag trails

2004-08-27 Thread W & N Lafferty
All this talk about copyright and designing . I am designing my own (very wide for me) edge to make up in my (previously reported) variegated thread - I've tried out a sample, and it looks great. My question is this - what's your opinion on the width of a zig zag trail, given that if you

[lace] Copyright, my two penn'th

2004-08-27 Thread Brenda Paternoster
My understanding of copyright is that you are not permitted to *reproduce* something which is in copyright without permission. In UK, if you own a book, you are allowed to make copies for your own personal use, which means that if the book shows a short length of lace pattern you can make sev

[lace] making laces from the Idrija book

2004-08-27 Thread Bev Walker
Hi everyone, and anyone who has made pieces from the 'Cook and Tratnik' book on Idrija Lace - I've made a few of the earlier patterns on my cookie pillow and midlands bobbins, now debating if my bolster could be used or will I be doing battle - would appreciate hearing from anyone who has made a p

Re: [lace] Auction pictures

2004-08-27 Thread Clay Blackwell
Your math was correct, Karisse, but I'm afraid your assumptions were not so accurate! While many women make $30K a year, those who are artists, weavers, spinners, quiltmakers - in other words, people who are creating nice things - more often than not do not get close to that amount of money. Onl

[lace] copyright and Romanian lace

2004-08-27 Thread A Thompson
Dear Spiders, I am perfectly happy for people who have purchased my Romanian Point Lace book to make any of the items from the patterns. That is the purpose of the book. I expect them to photo-copy the patterns for their own personal use. I would be very unhappy if they sold the finished items an

Re: [lace] intent of copyright law

2004-08-27 Thread Steph Peters
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:18:01 -0700 (PDT), Bev wrote: >Steph wrote: > >> When someone buys a pricking (whether in a book or as >a single piece of paper) they buy the right to make lace from the >pricking. >However they do not buy the right to copy in any other way. That's why >putting a picture of

Re: [lace] Re: Intent of copyright law

2004-08-27 Thread Steph Peters
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:07:36 -0400, Tamara wrote: >I can't help but wonder... Isn't there a difference between a website >created mainly for commercial purposes, and one one - like what Jane's >thinking of - which is a "brag" one? Morally, yes. But so far as the law is concerned, no difference

Re: [lace] pattern copyright and adaptations

2004-08-27 Thread Steph Peters
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:24:23 -0700, Weronika wrote: >> >Which means: I can put a picture on my website, but not the pricking, and I >> >should name the source - correct? >> >> Not in my opinion. Many people do this, but I believe it is a breach of >> copyright. A completed piece of lace is a 'd

[lace] One Designer's Input on Her Copyrights

2004-08-27 Thread Cathy Belleville
Friendly Spiders, On the off-chance you're not completely bored with this topic... here are MY answers to frequently asked copyright questions for MY book "An Introduction to Chrysanthemum Lace" and other teaching materials. * Can I make copies of the prickings for my own use? YES! Make zillio

[lace] Textile Books from Prague

2004-08-27 Thread Jeriames
Dear Lacemakers, Leonard and Avital wrote about the paperback book we were able to buy at OIDFA-Prague "Laces from the Colections of the Jewish Museum in Prague". This was 116 pages, many in color, with dated gold laces going back to the 1600's! Anyone interested in gold lace would probably b

[lace] Auction pictures

2004-08-27 Thread Karisse Moore
OK, If it took 10 women, 10 years to make one of those shawls then if you put that into today and todays pay checks that would mean each shawl cost how much to make? Let's see I will give it a guess that women make about $30,000.00 a year, more or less, times ten is $300,000.00. Right? That times

[lace] July 2004 Anna Magazine

2004-08-27 Thread Whitham
Hi all, I didn't think until yesterday that I should have bought the July issue of Anna. I like to get the July and Dec issues as there is usually Bobbin Lace in them. My usual source of the magazine isn't carrying it anymore and the deli already had the August. I have thought of a couple more

RE: [lace] Ithaca Lace Days

2004-08-27 Thread Panza, Robin
>>>From: Jane Viking Swanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm just wondering if anybody has heard about their classes at the Ithaca (NY) Lace Days? <<< My notification came last night. I got Lohr's class on point ground butterflies. The pricking and photo of the class project came, too. It's **go

[lace] Copyrights et al

2004-08-27 Thread Wotter03
As a commercial designer of lace, I am quite happy for people to show off the lace they have made from my patterns and especially I enjoy seeing them give me credit for the design, but what I am not happy with is one person buying a pattern and then making tens of copies to distribute to their f

[lace] Greetings from Tartu, Estonia

2004-08-27 Thread Pene Piip
Dear Fellow Spiders around the world, I thought it was time to say "hello" (or "Tere!" which is what Estonians say when you greet someone. We have been here for 4 weeks now & our vehicle & container aren't due for a few more weeks. Meanwhile our 2 sons will be starting school next week at the Tartu

[lace] copyright/photographs

2004-08-27 Thread Jean Barrett
Good morning All, This subject seems to involve so many twists and turns but just two points stick me. Someone (sorry I can't remember who and I accidentally deleted your message when I was trying to highlight a quote) said that people wouldn't design/create new patterns if they didn't think the

Re: [lace] pattern copyright and adaptations

2004-08-27 Thread Weronika Patena
> >>>But can putting a "boasting" picture, with proper credits to book and > designer, on a non-commercial "boasting" website, really be described as > *publishing* except in the very widest sense of the word, ie make generally > known. Surely it's the modern equivalent of having it hanging on you

Re: [lace] Pattern copyright

2004-08-27 Thread Weronika Patena
> If making items for money raising is against copyright, then woe be tide to > all those who purchase Family Circle magazine and the like for putting > patterns in their magazine for just that purpose. Well, if they actually say they're for that purpose, that's clearly OK, but otherwise I don't t

Re: [lace] Re: pattern copyright and adaptations

2004-08-27 Thread Weronika Patena
> >It seems like an unpleasant surprise to buy a lace pattern and then > >find out you > >need another book to actually make the lace... > > I don't *sell* my lace patterns; I publish them, for free, wherever I > think they'll fit best. Most of them are likely to be in Milanese, and > therefore

Re: [lace] pattern copyright and adaptations

2004-08-27 Thread Weronika Patena
> >Which means: I can put a picture on my website, but not the pricking, and I > >should name the source - correct? > > Not in my opinion. Many people do this, but I believe it is a breach of > copyright. A completed piece of lace is a 'derivative work' from the > pricking, and is subject to jus

Re: [lace] cheap linen fabric

2004-08-27 Thread Weronika Patena
> I have slo-mo and don't usually visit eB. often, but surely there will be > something like a stack of 'as is' table napkins, or hankies, or even an > old pillowcase (doesn't have to be linen, really it doesn't!). Others > have given you good sources for 'real' shopping, but it sounds like > 'virt

Re: [lace] fabric

2004-08-27 Thread Weronika Patena
Results in my search for fabric : I found a fabric store, and they had no linen at all. In fact a lot of fabric stores in the phone book mention "100% cotton", so it seems like linen won't be easy to find... I did get a nice fine Irish linen handkerchief from the Lace Museum, but nothing as yet f