RE: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread Margery Allcock
I speak UK English, so this may not be the majority opinion G.

I'd say the LA part the same as I'd say what hens do with eggs: hens
LAY eggs.

And the rest, the CIS part, I'd say the same as I'd say the first part
of SISter.

So: LAY-SIS.

But, as I say, this may not be how everyone else pronounces Lacis.

Interested to hear other replies,
Margery.
 
margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Herts, UK 
 
 

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Re: [lace] Honiton Motifs

2012-02-22 Thread Ilske Thomsen
Ann, 
why not put them in nicely order in a frame and hang on a wall? And still more 
into lockets as presents for really good friends. Or as bookmarks,or on an 
evening bag.

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread Brenda Paternoster
I speak UK english but I would pronounce it as LASS-ISS.

The first  syllable is LASS as in a girl and the second is pronounced with an 
'S' at the end, not 'Z'.
The stress is on the first syllable.

Brenda

On 22 Feb 2012, at 11:27, Margery Allcock wrote:

 I speak UK English, so this may not be the majority opinion G.
 
 I'd say the LA part the same as I'd say what hens do with eggs: hens
 LAY eggs.
 
 And the rest, the CIS part, I'd say the same as I'd say the first part
 of SISter.
 
 So: LAY-SIS.

Brenda in Allhallows
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread stevieni...@gmail.com
Hold on, how about the first part?

Lacis with a or Lacis with e like in lace. 

I guess it depends whether one is in the UK or the US? Is there one correct way 
or does it depend on the place?


Op 22 Feb 2012 om 12:27 heeft Margery Allcock margerybu...@o2.co.uk het 
volgende geschreven:

 I speak UK English, so this may not be the majority opinion G.
 
 I'd say the LA part the same as I'd say what hens do with eggs: hens
 LAY eggs.
 
 And the rest, the CIS part, I'd say the same as I'd say the first part
 of SISter.
 
 So: LAY-SIS.
 
 But, as I say, this may not be how everyone else pronounces Lacis.
 
 Interested to hear other replies,
 Margery.
  
 margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Herts, UK 
  
 
 
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[lace] Pronunciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread Jane Partridge
I'm also in the UK and agree  with Brenda on this one, but it might also 
be a dialect thing within UK English to explain why Margery thinks 
differently!


At college this type of lace was always referred to as darned net - in 
my case, with a large amount of emphasis put on the first word!!! It was 
not a lace I enjoyed making, but we had to produce samples of both the 
net and the lace as part of the City  Guilds course.


In message 8ea14c9b-abe6-4d5a-9566-cc9bcdd00...@appleshack.com, Brenda 
Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com writes

I speak UK english but I would pronounce it as LASS-ISS.

The first  syllable is LASS as in a girl and the second is pronounced 
with an 'S' at the end, not 'Z'.

The stress is on the first syllable.

Brenda



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Re: [lace] Honiton Motifs

2012-02-22 Thread J D Hammett

Hi Ann and other Arachnids,

I would sort the motifs into groups which are loosely related; i.e. 
Flowers/plants/insects or watery things like fish/reeds/water related 
mammals or birds and make it into larger collage(s). I would then put them 
in similar frames (or even identical ones and group them for most effect.


Happy lace making, Joepie.



Over the years I have made quite a lot of  Honiton lace motifs. Some of them
are in paperweights but there is a limit to how many of those I want to have
to dust. A couple of very tiny ones I have placed inside lockets but most of
them are put away in a drawer which seems a pity after all the work that has
gone into them. Has anyone got any different ideas for displaying these
small pieces?
Ann
Yorkshire UK


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RE: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread lynrbailey
Dear Margery, Brenda, et al,
 Who would have thought that my 4 years teaching 7th grade English (12-14 
year olds) would come in handy in lacemaking!  Of course, the best thing to do 
is to consult the people who have the name and do as they wish.  Absent that, I 
must remind you that when the sequence is vowel-consonant-vowel, the first 
vowel is a long vowel.  As in the word, lace.  Thus my vote is for Margery's 
pronunciation.  lay'-sis

Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US, where it's supposed to be sunny and warm.  
High of 56F, 7C.  The daffodils are really coming up.  Almost time to work on 
the garden, a month earlier than usual. Lacemaking may fall off, replaced by 
making pysanky during Lent (Russian Easter eggs.)



Margery wrote:
I speak UK English, so this may not be the majority opinion G.

I'd say the LA part the same as I'd say what hens do with eggs: hens
LAY eggs.

And the rest, the CIS part, I'd say the same as I'd say the first part
of SISter.

So: LAY-SIS.

But, as I say, this may not be how everyone else pronounces Lacis.

Interested to hear other replies,
Margery.

 and:
 As English is not my first language and I would like to be 
 sure, I would like to consult this list on the pronounciation 
 of lacis. 

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[lace] Great Lakes Fiber Show Lace at Sweet Briar

2012-02-22 Thread hottleco
Hello All!  My catalogue for the fiber show just arrived  as usual, there's 
something fiber-y planned for everyone!  There are six classes on Sat.  eight 
on Sun.   Two of the class descriptions caught my eye--spinning for lace  
beginning lace knitting, but there's dyeing  tatting  other stuff too.  
www.greatlakesfibershow.com  Usual disclaimers!  As Clay already knows, I'm 
missing out on SB myself *again* this year because DH is flying back from his 
annual trip to Lake Athabasca  arrives late on Sunday in Cleveland.  I'm the 
designated driver who picks up the tired fisherman  all his gear.  Just wish I 
could be in two places at once.  Bummer.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Palm Beach 
Gardens, FL USA  

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Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread Katelyn Schreyer
LAY-sis appears to be how just about every English-speaker (UK or US) who
hasn't heard the term would guess to pronounce it. The pitfall here is that
the word is French in origin, so it's probably pronounced lah-SI, as the
english lacy, but  the first vowel being more open, and stress on the
second syllable.

Of course, there's always the chance that the word has been fully
Anglicized and is pronounced properly in English as LAY-sis, as but it
seems an obsure enough word that lexicalization is unlikely.

I haven't heard anyone say the term with any authority before, so I can't
say for sure one way or the other. After all, I did think picot
was pie-cot instead of pee-coh until I met some other lacemakers face
to face.

Katelyn Schreyer
krschre...@gmail.com


On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:18 AM, lynrbai...@desupernet.net wrote:


  Thus my vote is for Margery's pronunciation.  lay'-sis



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Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread lynrbailey
Unsure what you mean in your first question, but some words definitely can have 
a different pronunciation, not merely the difference in accent, depending on 
whether they are UK or American.  Don't know if this word is one of those, as 
I've only seen it written.  I must say, I was referring to the company and 
museum in California.  I did not know that filet lace was also called 'lacis', 
so there may a difference from that aspect, and thus a UK difference in the 
pronunciation.  

Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US


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Hold on, how about the first part?

Lacis with a or Lacis with e like in lace. 

I guess it depends whether one is in the UK or the US? Is there one correct 
way or does it depend on the place?


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RE: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread David C COLLYER

Dear Lynn,,


 I must remind you that when the sequence is vowel-consonant-vowel, 
the first vowel is a long vowel.  As in the word, lace.  Thus my 
vote is for Margery's pronunciation.  lay'-sis


Based on what you just wrote I would be pronouncing it 'LARK-iss.
There is no way it could be lay as there is no magic e following the c
David in Ballarat, AUS


Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US,


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Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread David C COLLYER

Dear Friends,
I have to confess I've never heard the word Lacis spoken, but have, 
in my Australian English, always read it as LACK-iss


How amusing the differences in our dialects.
David in Ballarat, AUS.


I speak UK english but I would pronounce it as LASS-ISS.


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Re: [lace] Pronounciation of picot

2012-02-22 Thread David C COLLYER

After all, I did think picot
was pie-cot instead of pee-coh until I met some other lacemakers face
to face.


Dear Katelyn,
I still have trouble remembering to say picot correctly, because all 
my young years both my Mother and my Grandmother (in their Australian 
English) pronounced it pickett!!


David in Ballarat, AUS

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Re: [lace] Honiton Motifs

2012-02-22 Thread Malvary Cole
One of the few pieces of Honiton that I finished (my first piece actually, 
done at a workshop with Pat Read many years ago) is stitched to a t-shirt. 
Because it is stitched all the way around it is quite safe in the washing 
machine.


I have done the same with 3 pieces of Milanese (first one done with Pat's 
help) and they are not put in the washing machine because the t-shirt was 
very, very, very , very expensive and it is the t-shirt that gets 
hand-washed and the lace only by default.


Malvary in Ottawa, where it is supposed to be +4 today so perhaps I can get 
rid of more of the 2-4 thick layer of ice on my driveway.


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RE: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread lynrbailey
Dear David,
Vowel-consonant-vowel, first vowel long, works with any second vowel.  As with 
hop-hope, not-note, medium, consonant, accommodate, etc.  Frequently an 'e' but 
not always.  It is the explanation for many double consonants.  And, it doesn't 
always work, if I work with American pronunciations.  (just look at that last 
word, works for everything except the 'u'.)  The second 'i' makes the 'c' soft. 
 If you want a hard 'c' you have to use 'a', 'o' or 'u.' See, e.g., 
courageous.
Lyn in Lancaster, PA, US

David in Ballerat wrote:
Dear Lyn,,
Based on what you just wrote I would be pronouncing it 'LARK-iss.
There is no way it could be lay as there is no magic e following the c
David in Ballarat, AUS

Lyn wrote:
 I must remind you that when the sequence is vowel-consonant-vowel, 
 the first vowel is a long vowel.  As in the word, lace.  Thus my 
 vote is for Margery's pronunciation.  lay'-sis
Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US,

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RE: [lace] Pronunciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread Margery Allcock
I think you're right, Jane - I was taught to sound out unfamiliar
words when I was in school in Edinburgh, so this may be a Scottish
accent speaking G.

Margery.
 
margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Herts, UK 
 
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Jane Partridge
 
 I'm also in the UK and agree  with Brenda on this one, but it might
also 
 be a dialect thing within UK English to explain why Margery thinks
differently!

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Re: [lace] Honiton Motifs

2012-02-22 Thread Angelalace
Key rings and birthday cards?






On 22 Feb 2012, at 10:31, ann.humphreys ann.humphr...@talktalk.net wrote:

 Over the years I have made quite a lot of  Honiton lace motifs. Some of them 
 are in paperweights but there is a limit to how many of those I want to have 
 to dust. A couple of very tiny ones I have placed inside lockets but most of 
 them are put away in a drawer which seems a pity after all the work that has 
 gone into them. Has anyone got any different ideas for displaying these small 
 pieces?
 Ann
 Yorkshire UK 
 
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Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread lacelady
Being very much American and having taught our form of primary grammar, using 
our grammatical rules I say  LAY sis.  However, I have several friends who 
insist it is pronounced  luh CEASE.  That is more like the French way except 
they don't drop the last S.

In our basic rules, a vowel has a long sound if followed by one consonant and 
another vowel.  That other vowel does not have to be an E.  The E is most 
common at the end of a word but in the middle any vowel functions the same.  On 
the other hand, proper names of things can be spelled and pronounced in ways 
that are contrary to normal grammatical rules.

I have never been to the LACIS store and don't know how they pronounce their 
store name.

Alice in Oregon -- where my new kitchen and bathroom are done except two door 
handles and final inspection.  Now comes the chore of unpacking, sorting, and 
putting everything back in it's new place.  PS... got new dining room carpet 
and a new computer table also.

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[lace] Re: Pronounciation of 'lacis'

2012-02-22 Thread ann.humphreys
According to Howjsay.com the word is pronounced laysis. Forvo.com pronounce 
it lasee (short a). Cooldictionary.com pronounce it lachis (sounds like 
latches).

Ann
Yorkshire UK 



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[lace] Help

2012-02-22 Thread Alan Sheila Brown

Dear  lacers in Tasmania/Australia,
Can you help me get in touch  with either Win or Faye who I fist met  at 
OIDFA 2002 in Nottingham and then saw again in 2008 in Holland.   One of 
them wrote to me earlier in the year saying they would be in Caen.  I've 
lost the email  and I need to get in touch with  so could you pass on my 
message on or send me the email address.

Many thanks to all.

Sheila in wet Sawbridgeworth, hopefully for the next 6 months as we are 
now in a Drought zone!!!


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Re: [lace] Honiton Motifs

2012-02-22 Thread Diana Smith
You can find picture frames which include a mount that has several cutouts 
of different shapes - hard to describe! So you could mount various spriggs 
in one frame. I found the one below on ebay.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LIGHT-WOODEN-PICTURE-PHOTO-FRAME-IVORY-MULTI-MOUNT-/150750093461?pt=UK_Photo_Frames_Displayhash=item231967e095

Diana in Northants 


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[lace] Lacis

2012-02-22 Thread Susan Reishus
FWIW, when you call Lacis in SF, they answer the phone, 

Lay siss' (with emphasis on the latter).

HTH,
Susan Reishus

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Re: [lace] Lacis

2012-02-22 Thread lynrbailey
Go figure.  Well now we know how to pronounce 'lacis' when it refers to the 
company.  lrb


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Sent: Feb 22, 2012 11:44 AM
To: Arachne Lace lace@arachne.com
Subject: [lace] Lacis

FWIW, when you call Lacis in SF, they answer the phone, 

Lay siss' (with emphasis on the latter).

HTH,
Susan Reishus


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Re: [lace] Lacis

2012-02-22 Thread bev walker
That sounds right for answering the phone where the use of inflection is
more imperative - next wondering-out-loud, what do they say when they refer
to their business in a conversation?

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Susan Reishus elationrelat...@yahoo.comwrote:

 FWIW, when you call Lacis in SF, they answer the phone,

 Lay siss' (with emphasis on the latter).

 HTH,
 Susan Reishus

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[lace] lacis T-shirts

2012-02-22 Thread hottleco
Hello Again!  Perhaps we should check with Robin as she lives near (in the same 
state!) Lacis.  Referring to the company/museum only, I've heard it pronounced 
similar to Katelyn's explanation but with a slight *s* on the end.  Emphasis on 
the second syllable, sort of a *sigh* of an s at the end.  As to T-shirts, 
where are you shopping Malvary?!?  From time to time, they are $2 each at 
Michael's  come in a rainbow of colors.  g  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Palm 
Beach Gardens, FL USA  

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Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread Bridget Marrow
 Katelyn wrote:
LAY-sis appears to be how just about every English-speaker (UK or US) who
hasn't heard the term would guess to pronounce it. The pitfall here is that
the word is French in origin, so it's probably pronounced lah-SI, as the
english lacy, but the first vowel being more open, and stress on the
second syllable.

Of course, there's always the chance that the word has been fully
Anglicized and is pronounced properly in English as LAY-sis, as but it
seems an obscure enough word that lexicalization is unlikely...

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[lace] Honiton motifs

2012-02-22 Thread Lorelei Halley
Ann
This company sells acrylic display items, including a wide selection of
displays for photos and literature.  And some are very small, and some small
ones have magnets on the back.
http://www.jule-art.com/Product.asp?Category=1311
Lorelei

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RE: [lace] Honiton Motifs

2012-02-22 Thread Noelene Lafferty
My suggestion Ann would be to decorate a waistcoat - I used small motifs of
tatting that way very successfully on a crazy patchwork waistcoat.  Perhaps
with the delicacy of Honiton motifs, a crazy patchwork in different shades
of just one colour.  The tatting stood out well on a crazy patchwork of
printed fabrics.

Noelene in Cooma
nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au
butterflies. Any more ideas would be greatly appreciated and again thank you

for all your help.
Ann
Yorkshire UK 

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Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread Tregellas Family

On 23/02/2012 12:17 AM, David C COLLYER wrote:



Based on what you just wrote I would be pronouncing it 'LARK-iss.
There is no way it could be lay as there is no magic e following 
the c

David in Ballarat, AUS


And my pronunciation has always been lar-CEES as it suggests 
french to me.


Shirley T.  -  reaching 37C by Sunday

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RE: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread Angel Skubic
Works for me Margery

Cearbhael

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To: Margery Allcock
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Subject: Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis

Hold on, how about the first part?

Lacis with a or Lacis with e like in lace. 

I guess it depends whether one is in the UK or the US? Is there one correct
way or does it depend on the place?


Op 22 Feb 2012 om 12:27 heeft Margery Allcock margerybu...@o2.co.uk het
volgende geschreven:

 I speak UK English, so this may not be the majority opinion G.
 
 I'd say the LA part the same as I'd say what hens do with eggs: hens
 LAY eggs.
 
 And the rest, the CIS part, I'd say the same as I'd say the first part
 of SISter.
 
 So: LAY-SIS.
 
 But, as I say, this may not be how everyone else pronounces Lacis.
 
 Interested to hear other replies,
 Margery.
  
 margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Herts, UK 
  
 
 
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 Dear all,
 
 As English is not my first language and I would like to be 
 sure, I would like to consult this list on the pronounciation 
 of lacis. 
 
 

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[lace] Arachne in Paris?

2012-02-22 Thread Jeriames
Dear Spiders,
 
If possible, I would like to start a private English  language 
correspondence with a Arachne member who resides in Paris.
 
Jeri Ames in  Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource  Center

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[lace] Pronounciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread Alex Stillwell
Subject: Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis

I speak UK english but I would pronounce it as LASS-ISS. The first  syllable
is LASS as in a girl and the second is pronounced with an 'S' at the end, not
'Z'.
The stress is on the first syllable.

Brenda

I agree with Brenda Paternoster and Jane Partridge

Happy lacemaking

Alex

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Re: [lace] Pronounciation of lacis

2012-02-22 Thread robinlace
Most of the people I've talked to in the US say the word 'lacis' is of French 
origin and should be pronounced LAH (as in 'do-re-mi-fa-sol-la-ti-do) SEE (as 
in 'I see you').  But most of those same people generally say LAY ('lay down on 
the bed') SEAS (the plural of 'oceans') when talking about the store.  

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
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[lace-chat] Fw: Mrs Brown

2012-02-22 Thread Janice Blair
Here is one I liked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeI2xxaJ-hYfeature=relmfu
 Janice Blair
Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA
www.jblace.com
http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org

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