[lace] Lace identification
If you look at an enlarged photo of the reversed corner you can that the net was cut badly leaving threads and even some netting hanging over the edge.  The circles on the net also looks a little fuzzy to me which makes me think it is all machine made. I think a handmade one would have had better finished edges.Janice Janice Blair Murrieta, CA, jblace.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: Re[3]: [lace] Lace identification
Thank you to everyone who has had any input in this discussion. It is interesting to read all the different thoughts and view. It has given both myself and my sister much more idea of what she has owned for 32 years and it has been moved from a keepsake box into her knickers draw so she can enjoy looking at it every day. Whilst writing this I have just thought of something she might do in the coming weeks, when she can stop shielding and go back out into the world. The Wardown Museum in Luton is not very far from her home so she can over and visit it and perhaps one of the ladies might be able to show her something like it. Many thanks to all wherever you are in the world, it is a special thing we have on here to help share the beauty of lace of so many kinds. Sue T I agree with Maria. As I said initially, this is machine-made needlerun on machine-made net. This indeed a form of embroidery on net, which is not usually included in what people mean by "needle-lace". I didn't want to get into an argument about how narrowly or how broadly one defined "needle-lace", since embroidered forms of lace are indeed made by a needle. I'll attach my initial analysis since I never saw that appear on Arachne and maybe was lost in cyberspace. Nancy Connecticut, USA On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 09:42 Maria Greil wrote: Sorry, but I do not agree with you. I find it is no needle lace but machine embroidery on a mechanical tulle. Maria How pretty! And what a good photo -- the details are quite clear when enlarged. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: Re[3]: [lace] Lace identification
Sorry. I said that the mantillas from Granada and Barcelona were machine made. IT IS NOT TRUE. They are manual. Maria Greil El sáb., 18 jul. 2020 a las 19:16, N.A. Neff () escribió: > I agree with Maria. As I said initially, this is machine-made needlerun on > machine-made net. This indeed a form of embroidery on net, which is not > usually included in what people mean by "needle-lace". I didn't want to get > into an argument about how narrowly or how broadly one defined > "needle-lace", since embroidered forms of lace are indeed made by a needle. > > I'll attach my initial analysis since I never saw that appear on Arachne > and maybe was lost in cyberspace. > > Nancy > Connecticut, USA > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 09:42 Maria Greil wrote: > > > Sorry, but I do not agree with you. I find it is no needle lace but > machine > > embroidery on a mechanical tulle. > > Maria > > > > > > Hi Sue, > > > How pretty! And what a good photo -- the details are quite clear when > > enlarged. > > > > It is needle-run lace, embroidery on net. The net is machine-made, and > the > > embroidery is also almost certainly done by machine although I wouldn't > > claim to be 100% sure unless I could see the back. It is a very nice one, > > which would lead me to date it to the late 1800s. > > > > As I say, it is a particularly nice example of this kind of lace -- a > > beautiful design and well executed. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Nancy > > > > Connecticut, USA > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: Re[3]: [lace] Lace identification
Thank you, Nancy, your explanation was very useful. I learned this kind of lace collecting *mantillas* and being a young family member of an active professional embroiderer. *Mantillas* were made in bobbin lace and later, when the manufacture had to speed up, they were embroidered on machine tulle. Then you have the manual embroidered mantillas (which some people in the south of Spain call them "de chantilly") and the machine embroidered (called "granadinas" because they were made in Granada, but we have not to forget the ones made in the area of Barcelona, but not so well known). In the late 50s and in the 60s in the schools girls had to embroider their own round or triangular *mantillas* to go to church. I got such one in my collection. Maria Greil El sáb., 18 jul. 2020 a las 19:16, N.A. Neff () escribió: > I agree with Maria. As I said initially, this is machine-made needlerun on > machine-made net. This indeed a form of embroidery on net, which is not > usually included in what people mean by "needle-lace". I didn't want to get > into an argument about how narrowly or how broadly one defined > "needle-lace", since embroidered forms of lace are indeed made by a needle. > > I'll attach my initial analysis since I never saw that appear on Arachne > and maybe was lost in cyberspace. > > Nancy > Connecticut, USA > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 09:42 Maria Greil wrote: > > > Sorry, but I do not agree with you. I find it is no needle lace but > machine > > embroidery on a mechanical tulle. > > Maria > > > > > > Hi Sue, > > > How pretty! And what a good photo -- the details are quite clear when > > enlarged. > > > > It is needle-run lace, embroidery on net. The net is machine-made, and > the > > embroidery is also almost certainly done by machine although I wouldn't > > claim to be 100% sure unless I could see the back. It is a very nice one, > > which would lead me to date it to the late 1800s. > > > > As I say, it is a particularly nice example of this kind of lace -- a > > beautiful design and well executed. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Nancy > > > > Connecticut, USA > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: Re[3]: [lace] Lace identification
I agree with Maria. As I said initially, this is machine-made needlerun on machine-made net. This indeed a form of embroidery on net, which is not usually included in what people mean by "needle-lace". I didn't want to get into an argument about how narrowly or how broadly one defined "needle-lace", since embroidered forms of lace are indeed made by a needle. I'll attach my initial analysis since I never saw that appear on Arachne and maybe was lost in cyberspace. Nancy Connecticut, USA On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 09:42 Maria Greil wrote: > Sorry, but I do not agree with you. I find it is no needle lace but machine > embroidery on a mechanical tulle. > Maria > > > Hi Sue, > How pretty! And what a good photo -- the details are quite clear when > enlarged. > > It is needle-run lace, embroidery on net. The net is machine-made, and the > embroidery is also almost certainly done by machine although I wouldn't > claim to be 100% sure unless I could see the back. It is a very nice one, > which would lead me to date it to the late 1800s. > > As I say, it is a particularly nice example of this kind of lace -- a > beautiful design and well executed. > > Best wishes, > > Nancy > > Connecticut, USA > > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: Re[3]: [lace] Lace identification
Sorry, but I do not agree with you. I find it is no needle lace but machine embroidery on a mechanical tulle. Maria El jue., 16 jul. 2020 a las 16:21, sue () escribió: > There are always too many Sues in my life to help the confusion! Grin. > The > handkerchief was bought by my sister in 1988 to carry at her wedding as > her > something old. She bought it in the Kings Road, London, England UK. It > appeared from its storage in recent times while shielding from the covid > 19. > She took a couple of photos were sent to me because she knew I would like > to > see them. I dont think I did the day of her wedding but my knowledge and > joining the lace world only began in 2001 and then increased when I joined > Arachne in 2005. > I thought that all you many experienced lacemakers who also have great > knowledge of lace, techniques, origins and all of that would enjoy to look > and we might all learn a little about it, especially as many of us have > been > stuck at home for months. > My sister was stunned when she got some fab feedback quickly from a couple > of ladies here in the UK and when I read all the comments basically saying > they needed to see the back I asked her to take a photo of the back. > So far we are all agreed that it is needlelace and a very pretty well made > piece which has survived the years well. > We really appreciate all the feedback and are both grateful for it. Also > thanks for Sue Babbs for her help in adding it to Flickr under a folder > called Sue T. > Many thanks to all > Sue Turnbull > Dorset UK where we currently have a ray of sunshine and a warm day. > Stay safe everyone > > There are too many Sues in this handkerchief conversation! Grin!! Other > than posting the photos on Flickr for Sue T, I know nothing about the > hanky. > > Sue T has asked her sister for more photos, and there is now also a > photo of the hanky's reverse and a photo of its corner. The photos are > in an Sue T's album called Sue T, as she is the one asking the question > about it's identification. They are the first three photos in the > photostream. If you still can't see them, I can only suggest you > refresh your browser, beyond that I have no technical knowledge! > > Sue Babbs > suebabbs...@gmail.com > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: Re[3]: [lace] Lace identification
There are always too many Sues in my life to help the confusion! Grin. The handkerchief was bought by my sister in 1988 to carry at her wedding as her something old. She bought it in the Kings Road, London, England UK. It appeared from its storage in recent times while shielding from the covid 19. She took a couple of photos were sent to me because she knew I would like to see them. I dont think I did the day of her wedding but my knowledge and joining the lace world only began in 2001 and then increased when I joined Arachne in 2005. I thought that all you many experienced lacemakers who also have great knowledge of lace, techniques, origins and all of that would enjoy to look and we might all learn a little about it, especially as many of us have been stuck at home for months. My sister was stunned when she got some fab feedback quickly from a couple of ladies here in the UK and when I read all the comments basically saying they needed to see the back I asked her to take a photo of the back. So far we are all agreed that it is needlelace and a very pretty well made piece which has survived the years well. We really appreciate all the feedback and are both grateful for it. Also thanks for Sue Babbs for her help in adding it to Flickr under a folder called Sue T. Many thanks to all Sue Turnbull Dorset UK where we currently have a ray of sunshine and a warm day. Stay safe everyone There are too many Sues in this handkerchief conversation! Grin!! Other than posting the photos on Flickr for Sue T, I know nothing about the hanky. Sue T has asked her sister for more photos, and there is now also a photo of the hanky's reverse and a photo of its corner. The photos are in an Sue T's album called Sue T, as she is the one asking the question about it's identification. They are the first three photos in the photostream. If you still can't see them, I can only suggest you refresh your browser, beyond that I have no technical knowledge! Sue Babbs suebabbs...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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There are too many Sues in this handkerchief conversation! Grin!! Other than posting the photos on Flickr for Sue T, I know nothing about the hanky. Sue T has asked her sister for more photos, and there is now also a photo of the hanky's reverse and a photo of its corner. The photos are in an Sue T's album called Sue T, as she is the one asking the question about it's identification. They are the first three photos in the photostream. If you still can't see them, I can only suggest you refresh your browser, beyond that I have no technical knowledge! Sue Babbs suebabbs...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace identification
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Re: [lace] Lace identification
Hi Sue, How pretty! And what a good photo -- the details are quite clear when enlarged. It is needle-run lace, embroidery on net. The net is machine-made, and the embroidery is also almost certainly done by machine although I wouldn't claim to be 100% sure unless I could see the back. It is a very nice one, which would lead me to date it to the late 1800s. As I say, it is a particularly nice example of this kind of lace -- a beautiful design and well executed. Best wishes, Nancy Connecticut, USA On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 14:29 sue wrote: > Sue Babbs has offered to put the picture showing the whole lace on Flickr, > but here is the photo so you can check it out before that happens. > Interested in knowing as much as others can help us with. > Sue T > > Hi Sue, > > I'm happy to give it a shot if you want to email the photos to me. > > Cheers, > > Nancy > > Connecticut, USA > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 06:38 sue wrote: > >> Hi lacemakers one and all. I hope you are all safe and well, many of the >> lacemakers I know will have been busy making lace in lockdown to keep >> themselves, busy, calm and comfortable. What a joy to be able to. >> My sister just sent me two images of a lace handkerchief that she bought >> during 1988 in the Kings Road London England, just before she got >> married, as >> her something old. She knows nothing about lace except it is beautiful. >> She >> recently took it out of where ever it has been laying for all these years >> and >> saying how much she loves it and how she is also beginning to appreciate >> the >> skill that goes in to making it. I offered to ask someone in this site if >> they can identify it for us. I have two photographs, the one that she has >> taken of it lying flat not folded and able to look at the really large >> image >> of the delicate lace and my thinking is that it looks more like needle >> lace on >> a mesh. >> Any offers to check it out for me would be greatly appreciated, but I am >> not >> able to get it on flickr. >> Sue T >> Dull Dorset UK >> >> - >> To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: >> unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to >> arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ >> > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re[3]: [lace] Lace identification
Hazel's wedding hanky photo is now on Flickr for all to see. Hopefully it can be correctly identified Sue suebabbs...@gmail.com --- - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re[2]: [lace] Lace identification
If you send me the photos and descriptions you want placing on each, I will put them on Flickr for you Sue suebabbs...@gmail.com -- Original Message -- From: "Maria Greil" To: "sue" Cc: "Arachne" Sent: 7/15/2020 11:17:47 AM Subject: Re: [lace] Lace identification Where can we see the pictures ? El mié., 15 jul. 2020 a las 12:38, sue () escribió: Hi lacemakers one and all. I hope you are all safe and well, many of the lacemakers I know will have been busy making lace in lockdown to keep themselves, busy, calm and comfortable. What a joy to be able to. My sister just sent me two images of a lace handkerchief that she bought during 1988 in the Kings Road London England, just before she got married, as her something old. She knows nothing about lace except it is beautiful. She recently took it out of where ever it has been laying for all these years and saying how much she loves it and how she is also beginning to appreciate the skill that goes in to making it. I offered to ask someone in this site if they can identify it for us. I have two photographs, the one that she has taken of it lying flat not folded and able to look at the really large image of the delicate lace and my thinking is that it looks more like needle lace on a mesh. Any offers to check it out for me would be greatly appreciated, but I am not able to get it on flickr. Sue T Dull Dorset UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace identification
Where can we see the pictures ? El mié., 15 jul. 2020 a las 12:38, sue () escribió: > Hi lacemakers one and all. I hope you are all safe and well, many of the > lacemakers I know will have been busy making lace in lockdown to keep > themselves, busy, calm and comfortable. What a joy to be able to. > My sister just sent me two images of a lace handkerchief that she bought > during 1988 in the Kings Road London England, just before she got married, > as > her something old. She knows nothing about lace except it is beautiful. > She > recently took it out of where ever it has been laying for all these years > and > saying how much she loves it and how she is also beginning to appreciate > the > skill that goes in to making it. I offered to ask someone in this site if > they can identify it for us. I have two photographs, the one that she has > taken of it lying flat not folded and able to look at the really large > image > of the delicate lace and my thinking is that it looks more like needle > lace on > a mesh. > Any offers to check it out for me would be greatly appreciated, but I am > not > able to get it on flickr. > Sue T > Dull Dorset UK > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace identification
Hi lacemakers one and all. I hope you are all safe and well, many of the lacemakers I know will have been busy making lace in lockdown to keep themselves, busy, calm and comfortable. What a joy to be able to. My sister just sent me two images of a lace handkerchief that she bought during 1988 in the Kings Road London England, just before she got married, as her something old. She knows nothing about lace except it is beautiful. She recently took it out of where ever it has been laying for all these years and saying how much she loves it and how she is also beginning to appreciate the skill that goes in to making it. I offered to ask someone in this site if they can identify it for us. I have two photographs, the one that she has taken of it lying flat not folded and able to look at the really large image of the delicate lace and my thinking is that it looks more like needle lace on a mesh. Any offers to check it out for me would be greatly appreciated, but I am not able to get it on flickr. Sue T Dull Dorset UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] lace identification websites and books
On 13 May 2019, at 18:52, Karen Thompson wrote: > > Elena pointed out the V's site > http://www.dressandtextilespecialists.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Lace-Booklet.pdf > which > I also find extremely helpful, especially for identifying the machine made > laces. The same website also has a later booklet about identifying hand-made lace http://www.dressandtextilespecialists.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Identifying-Handmade-lace.pdf I wrote the ID part which was used in workshops on lace for textile conservators. It also has a useful section about Conservation, display and storage of lace written by textile conservator, Anne Amosford. Jean - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] lace identification websites and books
We are really fortunate to have Jean Leader providing her new website www.lacetypes.com I just tested it on my hp desktop, and it is terrific. I also often use Jean's Lace app on my i-phone. It is also very, very useful. The symbol is a lace cap if you are looking for it. The cost is very minimal and well worth it. Elena pointed out the V's site http://www.dressandtextilespecialists.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Lace-Booklet.pdf which I also find extremely helpful, especially for identifying the machine made laces. Santina Levey's Lace - A History along with Pat Earnshaw's books on lace identification are all fantastic. There are certainly many more, but these are the ones I find most useful for most laces. -Karen on the Atlantic coast in Delaware - and sometimes Washington, DC - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace Identification?
Hello All! A friend has some lace she wants to trade for embroidery supplies. The tags are: Flanders foliated, Flemish tape & Antique "Cuspiore" (spelling??) Venetian used for altar cloths. She sent me pictures & I have posted them to Flickr to see if the experts can help identify them in more detail. Many thanks for any suggestions. Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace Identification/Translation of Label - Eastern Europe
On Oct 7, 2015, at 4:22 AM, Olga Ieromina wrote: > > СНЕЖИНКА > > SNEGINKA Lace Guild of Vologda named by Labor Medal of Red Flag Hi Olga, The name of the factory gets transliterated from the Cyrillic alphabet in several ways. The way I remembered was Snezhinka, so that's what I googled, and came up with yet another version -- snejinka. Whichever way you spell it, it's still a snowflake :) Anyway... Here's some lace eye-candy, from the factory's catalogue: http://snejinka.ru/catalog/kruzhevnye-izdeliya They make other things too, including snow boots decorated with lace. http://snejinka.ru/ -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace Identification/Translation of Label - Eastern Europe
Hi Tamara and Olga, In 1991, I visited the lace 'factory' in Vologda with a group of german lacemakers. The trip was organized by Marianne Stang, a very active lacemaker. We were very well received there. We could visit the working rooms and see the lacemakers at work. A very complete fashion show was presented and a visit of the new museum. Also, we had tea and cakes with the lacemakers where we could exchange little gifts. We were afraid then that this co-operative would suffer in a way of the political changes but it seems that the change worked out nicely. Nicole Gauthier - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace Identification/Translation of Label - Eastern Europe
Hi Jeri, This should be piece of Russian lace from Vologda. The letters are in Cyrillic The first part is the organisation name and address (if you see ??? below it means that your PC is not setup for Cyrillic): ÐологодÑкое ÐÐ ÐÐÐРТРУÐÐÐÐÐÐ ÐÐ ÐСÐÐÐÐ ÐÐÐÐÐÐÐ ÐРУÐÐÐÐÐÐ ÐÐЪÐÐÐÐÐÐÐРСÐÐÐÐÐÐÐ SNEGINKA Lace Guild of Vologda named by Labor Medal of Red Flag 160003, Vologda , 119a The second part is piece type Ðаим. ÐÐÐ ÐТÐÐÐ Type COLLAR You have recognised most of the letters correctly)) May be you can share the photo of the piece also? Regards, Olga - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace Identification/Translation of Label - Eastern Europe - 2
Dear Lace Experts, This subject, written about yesterday, resulted in some fresh Arachne mail, as intended. Much was personal - just to me, so the list did not see them. Here are a couple items to remind everyone: 1. Sometimes my mail from AOL does not get delivered. It happens only with some other companies (Hotmail was one this time around). I am beyond ever trying to fight this issue again with AOL technicians. When you see a reply to one of my mails, you can quickly find it in our archives. Most recent mail is listed on the page that pops up when you access: http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/index.html 2. I can tell you this particular mail reached Arachne members in Poland and Australia, so it does work. 3. One personal reply asked "What is Orvus?". I have been writing to Arachne for 20 years, and given detailed instructions for washing laces at least twice a year. Go to the archive address in 1. above, and type in the subject line: Jeri Ames, Orvus Or: Orvus, Jeri Ames There are 34 memos to read. Or..if you have a very large amount of time, enter: Jeri Ames There are 1,465 matches. That means a lot of diverse info about laces. Suggestion: Some people have made copies of what has been written about lace care and history, and put them in their own binder for future use. For the cost of printing and a binder, you can make a useful book, and you can prepare a local lace group program about what you have learned here on Arachne about caring for lace. Yes, there are some books (rare), but they do not acknowledge that distilled or de-ionized water should be used. Be as aware as a small child, and know that tap water has pollutants, chemicals and minerals in it. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace Identification/Translation of Label - Eastern Europe
Dear Lace Experts, Our list is too quiet. Here is something to discuss. Last year, I purchased a lace collection from a friend who desperately needed money. It was all in one large densely-packed box, and most is unlabeled. Not knowing where the laces came from, I have been slowly wet-cleaning using Orvus and distilled water. They are not allowed in my collection boxes until I am sure they have nothing (like small micro-organisms) that would pass to my laces. Some nice pieces were so dirty with black grease of some kind, that I soaked them, changing water and re-using Orvus for several washings - for 3 months! The white enamel basin actually developed a black ring at the water line. I would not advise this action to novice lace launderers. Lace must be very sturdy to keep in water that long, and handled with care because the pull of gravity adds to the threat of ripping. Anyway, I have come across a tape lace collar that is of recent origin. Perhaps it can be identified by country of origin. A label is sewn on it. All N's have the center bars slanted backward. Does it sound like something you would know about? Blue print on white label: Artwork possibly reflecting the business is of a blue diamond shape with white design in center that may be meant to be lace. It sort of looks like a primitive goddess: head and bottom of A-line skirt are of 5-petal flowers, arms like angel wings. I'm guessing from the Czech Republic. What do you think? BonoroAcHoE (the n looks like an upside-down u) OPAEHA TPYAOBORO HPACHOrO 3HAMEHN (r the same size as other letters) KPYMEBHOE (M looks like 2 H's connected at center bar) O6bEANHEHNE In larger letters: CHEKKNHKA (double K's are back-to-back) 160003, r. BonorAa, YpNNHORO, 119a On the backside it is stamped: HaNM. BOPOTHNK (with blurred identifying product marks, also stamped). Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace identification please
Those of us who have sewing machines which can embroider in hoops can produce this kind of lace. Lots of designs available on the web, some free and some very intricate. Instead of fabric, water soluble stabilizer is used, load the design into the machine, press 'go' and disappear to do something else while the machine produces the lace and then remove it from the machine and hoop and dissolve away the backing. The hand part whether making or finishing is setting everything up and dissolving away the stablizer before pressing. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace identification please (2)
And forgot to add that you also hand finish by snipping off any stray threads from your finished machine embroidery. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace identification please (3)
I don't use my machine to replace bobbin lacemaking - it's nothing like it. But it is useful if you just want a quick bit of decoration on something. I put quick in inverted commas because it isn't in sewing machine terms - probably 30 minutes up to an hour to complete a design. But if it's one colour, you can go and do something else. Because I havent got a dedicated sewing machine space, I haven't done any for a while, but I use my lace pillow cover cloth to try out designs to see if I like them. So far it's got an embroidered picture of my last dog, Poole Bobbin Lace logo (4 different attempts), a bolster pillow with lace and bobbins and a piece of lace with two spangled bobbins hanging from it - the last two were bought designs. Saves throwing away what the machine has done as well as brightening up a plain cover cloth, which I throw over the pillow when not working on it. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] lace identification please
A friend brought me this item just as its shown in the link below. It is Irish lace and needle work rather than other lace work. I wonder if one of you experienced spiders would pin it down to whatever type you believe it to be. It mentions embroiderers and also that it is Hand Finished lace made on traditional embroidery frames (so does that mean pure embroidery? http://www.grangecraft.com/product_info.php?prod_id=29 Sue T Dorset UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] lace identification please
I believe this is a form if machine lace called chemical lace. It was embroidered by machine on a fabric which was then dissolved away by chemicals. Clay Sent from my iPad On Nov 8, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Sue su...@talktalk.net wrote: I wonder if one of you experienced spiders would pin it down to whatever type you believe it to be. It mentions embroiderers and also that it is Hand Finished lace made on traditional embroidery frames (so does that mean pure embroidery? http://www.grangecraft.com/product_info.php?prod_id=29 Sue T Dorset UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] lace identification please
Catherine Barley Needlelace www.catherinebarley.com -- Subject: [lace] lace identification please A friend brought me this item just as its shown in the link below. It is Irish lace and needle work rather than other lace work. http://www.grangecraft.com/product_info.php?prod_id=29 Hi Sue It looks very much like Chemical Lace to me and certainly not hand made! What do others think it is? Catherine Barley UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] lace identification please
This is a sort of chemical lace - embroidery as they made in Vogtland, Erzgebirge and in Switzerland. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] lace identification please
It's definitely chemical lace, but I suppose that snipping the motifs apart using scissors would make it hand finished. Sent from Brenda's iPad It looks very much like Chemical Lace to me and certainly not hand made! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] lace identification please
I couldn't get the web site to enlarge the photos of the coasters from the thumbnails, but it does look like Carickmacross lace. Carickmacross is an Irish lace embroidered on tulle. It is fast and easy and is worked on a pad of cloth held in the hand so can be carried anywhere. It also had endless stitch possibilities. You can see it on lace.lacefairy.com/Lace/ID/CarrickmacrossID.html I'm sure there are some instructions in the web and some of the instruction booklets are inexpensive. Diane Z Lubec, Maine, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] lace identification please
I have to say i wasn't thinking it was hand made so where did the hand finished come in. Thank you for clearing that one up. They are pretty though and of course friends see lace and think of me:-) Nice of them. It's definitely chemical lace, but I suppose that snipping the motifs apart using scissors would make it hand finished. Sent from Brenda's iPad It looks very much like Chemical Lace to me and certainly not hand made! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] lace identification please
If you go to the link http://www.grangecraft.com/product_info.php?prod_id=29 then click on the photo of the lace to enlargeit, it is clearly labelled Irish Lace, Hand finished lace made on traditional embroidery frames. The smaller writing underneath reads The tradition of Embroidery and Lace Making in Ireland dates back to the early nineteenth century and different areas of the country developed their own particular styles. Our aim is to re-create some of the styles and effects of the Irish embroiderers of yesteryear. Our skills are traditional, but out techniques and materials are of today. We hope that our product, made for you with care and pride, will give you pleasure. By Grange Crafts, County Cork, Ireland. I take that to mean that it is in the style of traditional Irish lace (and it has the shamrock motif) but not made in the same way If you go to http://www.grangecraft.com/products.php?cat_id=22 you will see that they offer bookmarks, coasters and traycloth etc, all just different sized pieces cut from a large piece of lace fabric with a repeating pattern - which I think confirms that someone used scissors to snip the sections apart to make it hand finished! . On 8 Nov 2013, at 16:48, Sue wrote: i wasn't thinking it was hand made so where did the hand finished come in. Brenda in Allhallows www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] lace identification statistics for 2011 card exchange
Thank you to everyone who has responded with help identifying the different lace types we used in our recent card exchange. I have now designated the ones I called 'tape lace' into the following headings. Thank you Elizabeth Ligeti for explaining it so clearly. tape lace - lace constructed using commercial tape sewn together braid lace - russian, injria type lace plaited lace - beds, cluny type lace We have 17 Braid lace eg: Russian or Injria 15 Torchon 15 Unknown (photos/scans not provided for website) 5 Tatting 2 Wirelace 2 Plaited lace eg: Bedfordshire 2 Needlelace 1 Braid lace with Tatting 1 Carrickmacross 1 Milanese 1 Organised Chaos 1 Teneriffe or sol lace 1 Point Ground Hope this is on interest to you. regards Jenny Brandis Kununurra, Western Australia je...@brandis.com.au brandis.com.au - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] lace identification
On 13/01/2012 03:59, Jenny Brandis wrote: I am having a go at identifying the different techniques used in the 2011 Arachne Card Exchange Mine's torchon. I'm wondering whether Holly has received it? Perhaps I missed reading that she has. If not, it seems to be taking a ridiculous amount of time to get there. Lesley Marple UK, where the sun has come out and it's feeling like spring! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] lace identification
Hi Jenny Most of your identification seems to be spot on, the only ones I would disagree with are: Sallie - Jeanette is tape lace/braid lace with a stem stitch gimp down the centre and joined with sewings all along the length of the candy cane. Amber - Marina (should that be Martina?) is Tenneriffe (or Sol lace) Anne - Janice looks like tape lace but difficult to tell from the low resolution scan. Mark - Brandon is a form of braid lace/free style bobbin lace. It's a moot point but personally I would call all the tape-laces braid lace. To me tape lace means a machine made tape which has been stitched together. What does anyone else think? And thanks for putting all of these onto your website again this year. Brenda On 13 Jan 2012, at 03:59, Jenny Brandis wrote: I am having a go at identifying the different techniques used in the 2011 Arachne Card Exchange but am unsure (quite a bit) so if you would like to take a look at what I have done so far and let me know where I have misallocated that would be appreciated. I will transcribe the results onto our Card Exchange Spreadsheet for future reference and collate the totals here to let you know. Brenda in Allhallows www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] lace identification
I am having a go at identifying the different techniques used in the 2011 Arachne Card Exchange but am unsure (quite a bit) so if you would like to take a look at what I have done so far and let me know where I have misallocated that would be appreciated. I will transcribe the results onto our Card Exchange Spreadsheet for future reference and collate the totals here to let you know. Remember these are my guesses - I could be way off so I WANT you to correct me :-) Marion http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011001.html G to Dorcus - tatting Marion http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011002.html to Liz - tatting Sandy http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011003.html to Lisa - organised chaos Jane http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011004.html to Sallie - tape lace Kathy http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011005.html to Madge - tape lace Janis http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011007.html to Janet - point ground Janice http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011008.html to Trenna - tape lace Brenda http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011010.html to Dot - torchon Jeanette http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011011.html to Sallie - torchon Sue http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011012.html to Lorrie - torchon Sallie http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011013.html to Jeanette - torchon Angela http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011014.html to Penelope - tatting JD http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011015.html to Jenny B - needlelace Lise http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011016.html to Sandy - wirelace Daphne http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011017.html to Sherry - torchon Janet http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011018.html to Janis - tape lace Liz http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011019.html to Marion - tape lace Lesley http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011020.html to Holly - tape lace Silvia http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011021.html to Alice - needlelace Alice http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011022.html to Silvia - torchon Sherry http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011023.html to Daphne - tape lace and tatting Sue http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011024.html to Julie - Carrickmacross (thank you to saying so Sue, I had no clue LOL) Penelope to Angela http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011025.html - torchon Penelope http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011026.html to Janet - torchon JD http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011027.html to Brenda - tape lace Dorcus http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011028.html to Marion - tatting Amber http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011029.html to Marina - have no idea - its sort of weaving? Stormy http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011030.html to Marji - torchon Jenny http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011031.html B to JD - torchon Jenny http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011032.html B to Laura - torchon Shirley http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011033.html to Sue - tape lace Anne http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011034.html to Janice - Trenna http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011035.html to Janice - point ground Holly http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011036.html to Lesley - torchon Trish http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011037.html to Sue - torchon Sue http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011038.html to Shirley - tatting Marji http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011039.html to Stormy - tape lace Janet http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011040.html to Penelope - tape lace Janet http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011041.html to Alice - tape lace Laurie http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011042.html to Sue - torchon Mark http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011043.html to Brandon - tape? braid? Laura http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011044.html to Jenny B - tape lace Julie http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011045.html to Sue - tape lace JD http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011046.html to Eleanor - milanese Julie http://www.brandis.com.au/arachne/2011/2011047.html to Jane - tape lace regards Jenny Brandis Kununurra, Western Australia je...@brandis.com.au brandis.com.au - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] Lace Identification Booklet Hapsburg veil
Susan, and all The wedding photo of Marjorie Merriweather Post's daughter Adelaide Brevoort Close (1908-1998) was taken at the Hillwood estate in Washington, DC. although her wedding to Thomas Tim Welles Durant on January 19, 1927 took place in New York City. Adelaide wore a short dress with a long train, so the only place the veil was not supported was on her head, where it was fastened with orange blossoms at the sides of the head. The Hillwood exhibition features a short silent movie taken at the wedding, so we can really see how the veil was used. --- It is amazing how well the veil survived both that and the original fastening with a diamond brooch at Princess Stephanie's wedding. There are small tears, but nothing very serious. So far, we have not seen a close-up wedding photo that shows the veil at Princess Stephanie's wedding in 1881. The photo of MM Post's daughter wearing the veil in 1927 makes me wonder if the picture was taken at Mar-A-Lago, her former Palm Beach home now owned by The Donald? Karen in Washington, DC, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Lace Identification Booklet Hapsburg veil
Hello All! Thank you Linda for posting the link to this article. I'll admit to drooling over the Lanvin sleeve detail on my way to downloading the booklet for reading later. Thanks Karen for posting the veil link--what a fabulous piece! The 88x102 stitches/rows per inch scale is almost beyond comprehension. The photo of MM Post's daughter wearing the veil in 1927 makes me wonder if the picture was taken at Mar-A-Lago, her former Palm Beach home now owned by The Donald? In today's news, the Corcoran is going to receive one of the Monet *waterlily* paintings from the Clark estate. Wouldn't it be grand if it was up on the wall by the end of the year? That would make a really fine trip to DC--the veil Monet in one visit. M. Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA, USA with another 6 of rain today. Enough already! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] lace identification question
Hi Cindy, Yes, I totally agree with you about this seller--she's terrific and offers stellar pieces. I didn't mean to imply anything negative about her. Just that I didn't know why something was called one thing vs another. And the lace is so crisp and in such good condition (only one hole that I've seen in the entire length) that it could have been made yesterday--I can hardly believe my luck in getting a piece that old in that condition. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify about the seller. I too am merely a very satisfied customer. Nancy Neff Connecticut, USA From: Cindy Rusak cru...@gmail.com this seller is pretty knowledgeable about lace and usually sells quality pieces. I have bought from her in the past and have also had communications with her about pieces she has for sale. Unlike other sellers on eBay she does listen to and considers other people's opinions and expertise. No affiliation with her, just a satisfied customer, . - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] lace identification question
I'd appreciate some help from the lace experts on this list. I bought this lace recently: http://tinyurl.com/36v5vo8 The ground is a plain torchon ground (not Flanders), so you see the relative coarseness of the thread compared to the incredibly fine threads of the 18th C. Also the lace itself is relatively crisp--clearly has never been washed, used, or even much handled. It is linen. The ends are cut, however, and it's a nice long piece, so I don't think it's someone's recent working sample. With the beautiful design and nice workmanship I think I am ok with my purchase, but would appreciate input as to what kind of lace you would call it, and what age you would put on it. For example, I wouldn't call it Mechlin, in spite of the gimp around the cloth-stitch areas, simply because it doesn't have the Mechlin ground anywhere. When I bid on it, I thought from the photos (with an untrained eye) that the ground was old Flanders 4-pair whole stitch ground, which is why I bought it. Now I am puzzled and don't have my lace identification books with me. TIA for your help! Nancy Neff Connecticut, USA, in the SW section of CT that was nearly blown away Thursday-tornados!! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] lace identification question--correction
Wow, am I ever embarrassed. As soon as I started taking detailed pictures for Devon, I could see that it is indeed Old Flanders ground (pre-WWI). It's just so much tighter and neater than anything I do that without magnification I thought it was Torchon. *blush* So I think the question is: when did they combine Old Flanders ground with a gimp? Is that called something specifically? No interesting fillings. Picots without twists. I am about to try posting detailed pictures on webshots--wish me luck :-) ... The ground is a plain torchon ground (not Flanders), so you see the relative coarseness of the thread ... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] lace identification question
I've posted an album with some photos of the flanders with gimp lace I was asking about. Any ideas you have about what type of lace and its age would be appreciated. Thanks! --Nancy Nancy A. Neff Connecticut, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] lace identification question
Hi Nancy, I can't help you a lot with the identification of this lace. What I can say is that this seller is pretty knowledgeable about lace and usually sells quality pieces. I have bought from her in the past and have also had communications with her about pieces she has for sale. Unlike other sellers on eBay she does listen to and considers other people's opinions and expertise. No affiliation with her, just a satisfied customer, Cindy Rusak - in Musloka, Ontario where things should settle down now that the G8 is over! On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd appreciate some help from the lace experts on this list. I bought this lace recently: http://tinyurl.com/36v5vo8 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Lace identification
Having seen similar situations where lace has been identified and dated by experts, and then found them to be totally inaccurate, I now consider the names to be generic and describe the type of lace as determined by the techniques used to make it. However this is also a problem as we do not have a difinitive list of techniques for the different laces. The OIDFA work on the bucks Point Family is fascinating and gives an insight into the techniques popularly used. However, when researching for my book on geometrical Bucks I came across nearly all the techniques listed for all the laces in the book in the 293 pieces of antique Bucks that I examined in Luton Museum. The popularity of techniques changes; new ones are discovered that improve the appearance and others are discarded. When a product sells there will always be the those who jump in the band wagon and the professional lacemakers were clever enough to imitate another's work. I borrowed a piece of 'blond' and made a copy when I needed it for teaching and I did not neglect to admit to making it. Does it really matter if we know where a piece of lace is made? Surely it is the beauty of the piece and fascination of examining the techniques used that are really important. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
