Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Karen ZM]

Thanks Bobbi. and I also have the diagrams attached. I will print your
message with the diagrams to keep for future reference.

Karen in Malta


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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Karen ZM]

Thanks for the reply.
Karen in Malta


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Re: Re[7]: [lace] Lassen question

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Re[7]: [lace] Lassen question

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Are you all looking at the photostream in Arachne's flickr account?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/  On my screen they show up as
the first two photographs.  I did not add them to Bobbi's album

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Re[5]: [lace] Lassen question

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Bobbi's diagrams are on the photostream of our Flickr site

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>I was unable to see "Bobbi's diagrams", can you give a 'link' to where
>they are & send it privately?
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[lace] Lassen question

[Alice Howell]

The overlapped section will not fray.  With every millimeter  of the lace 
threads tightly wrapped, there's no way any of the threads can move.  If a 
thread gets cut, then it would loosen, but that's an extreme case.  Normal use 
will not loosen it.

The first time you do it, it is a bit scary to cut off the two ends. Just do it 
very carefully -- one thread at a time.

As Bobbi said, choosing the pathway to sew across the lace is important.  You 
want to use a solid line, not open work. It's sort of like selecting a place on 
a pattern to start -- along the edge of the design. Whether you are 
overlapping, or tying and sewing in ends, the finishing method is best hidden 
along design edges.

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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Kathleen Harris]

The stitching is very close and tight, so I think there is no chance of fraying 
 over time, as long as the treatment of the lace is reasonably gentle as it 
always should be.

Kathleen, in a hot and humid Berkshire, UK, expecting thunder any minute!

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> On 23 Jun 2019, at 12:32, Karen ZM  wrote:
> 
> Interesting to follow the discussion on lassen.
> 
> What I am still trying to understand, though, is that once the extra piece
> of lace is cut away, what is there to keep it looking neat over time (i.e.
> not have a frayed edge)?
> 
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Bobbi's diagrams are now posted on the arachne flickr site.  Go to link
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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Bobbi Donnelly]

Good morning Karen and everyone else.
I've been watching this and have finally decided to jump in.
Karen, attached is a photo/diagram. Starting at #1 you make the piece of 
lace.
You finish at #2. (ha ha... can  you tell I do a lot of Tonder? footside on 
the left)
You over lap the two ends to match up exactly. You then basically whip 
stitch
both layers together doing three whip stitches on EVERY pair of the top and 
bottom
layer, moving from the footside to the head side and then back to the foot 
side.
This way you have a good place to hide those ends of your whipping thread.
This is a firm enough connection (not sure how well it holds up to lots of 
washing?)
Then you cut off the loose ends of lace.
If you physically put your hands together in front of you
lay your wrists back to back (palms facing up and down) the wrist area is 
what
you are sewing together. Once it's sewn you cut off the hands.
However, before you start the whole process you must decide where you are 
going to do
that join. Start above that join (this doesn't have to be pretty as you are 
going to cut
it off) and the 'rule' is to do one repeat above and one repeat below the 
join. (see lassen 2)
I have always used the finest thread I can get my hands on because I want 
the
join to be as close to invisible as possible. Doing three wraps around each 
pair
thickens up the area so the finer the better in my mind. Another thing to 
consider
is areas that are easier to do that join in. Avoid half stitch areas like 
the plague.
Linen is not much better. Ground is the best and around or along a gimp line 
is
also good.
I really do like this technique although it is not (as far as I know) 
attached to
a particular type of lace. I would also suggest that you try it with a 
thinner
piece of torchon lace first to get the hang of it. Flanders lends itself to 
this
and I have had much success with it there.
Does this make sense or just muddy the water further?
Good luck!
bobbi
===
What I am still trying to understand, though, is that once the extra piece
of lace is cut away, what is there to keep it looking neat over time (i.e.
not have a frayed edge)?

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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Karen ZM]

Interesting to follow the discussion on lassen.

What I am still trying to understand, though, is that once the extra piece
of lace is cut away, what is there to keep it looking neat over time (i.e.
not have a frayed edge)?

Karen in Malta

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RE: [lace] Lassen question

[Lorelei Halley]

Ann Bucks book on the Thomas Lester laces shows many Bedfordshire designs
with turned corners, dating from the last half of the 19th century. I have
seen Tonder patterns with turned corners, but have no way to date the
examples. So I am not sure if they are 19th or 20th century, but they do
contain the same problems as designing corners for Bucks -- the flattened
grid for the ground. 
Lorelei

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Pam Nottingham was emphatic that she and her students were the first to
design flat corners for edging handkerchiefs, in the mid-twentieth C. She
must have meant only Bucks 

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RE: [lace] Lassen question

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RE: [lace] Lassen question

[lynrbailey]

I agree with whomever said 'lash' to tie or fasten together tightly and firmly, 
Cambridge English Dictionary.

Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, where the weather couldn't be better.  Sunny, 
breeze, comfortable.


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>Sent: Jun 22, 2019 6:12 PM
>To: 'Bev Walker' , 'Gon Homburg' 
>Cc: 'Adele Shaak' , 'lacelijst -' 
>Subject: RE: [lace] Lassen question
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>???Lasso, as in attach a cow to a rope???   ???  Lassen, as in tie a
>lace to itself???
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RE: [lace] Lassen question

[Lorelei Halley]

Jane --  As I understand it the technique of attaching strips of Chantilly
or other laces together, to make a large object, is called "point de
raccroc" (spelling??)  It attempts to imitate the same thread path as the
ground, but there is no overlap. Lassen overlaps the end of the lace onto
the beginning.
Lorelei

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Subject: Re: [lace] Lassen question

Is this the name that is used for the stitching to attach bands of Chantilly
together to form the really big shawls? Or does that have another name?
  
  
  


 From: "Bev Walker" 
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 12:31 PM
To: "Gon Homburg" 
Cc: "Adele Shaak" , "lacelijst -" 
Subject: Re: [lace] Lassen question   
Then I wasn't far off the mark after all.
Thanks for the background information. Lassen and lace are "tied together"
in origin.
I like words.
Bev in Shirley BC Canada

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RE: [lace] Lassen question

[Lorelei Halley]

Flanders also uses lassen.


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Subject: Re: [lace] Lassen question

I think that lassen is something that you do with Binche and point de
Paris. Are there any other laces that use "lassen"?   Nancy, did you see
any other handkerchiefs of interest? I might have photos.

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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[N.A. Neff]

It's called point de racroc, and is quite a different technique--it doesn't
overlap the two pieces at all but sews in a thread between the two pieces
of net that follows a path that connects the two pieces as if they were one
piece of net. In lassen, the sewing thread whips around the bars of the net
in the overlap area and will inevitably make a thicker area of net.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 16:26 jviking @sover.net  wrote:

> Is this the name that is used for the stitching to attach bands of
> Chantilly together to form the really big shawls? Or does that have
> another
> name?
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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Bev Walker]

"racroc" maybe, I think?
Yes it does have a different name.
ok, found it in Alex Stillwell's dictionary. Point de rac(c)roc or Point de
raccroche



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> Is this the name that is used for the stitching to attach bands of
> Chantilly together to form the really big shawls? Or does that have
> another
> name?
>


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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[jviking @sover.net]

Is this the name that is used for the stitching to attach bands of 
Chantilly together to form the really big shawls? Or does that have another 
name?
  
 Thanks, Jane in Vermont USA where it is gorgeous!
 jvik...@sover.net
  
  
  


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To: "Gon Homburg" 
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Subject: Re: [lace] Lassen question   
Then I wasn't far off the mark after all.
Thanks for the background information. Lassen and lace are "tied together"
in origin.
I like words.
Bev in Shirley BC Canada

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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Bev Walker]

Then I wasn't far off the mark after all.
Thanks for the background information. Lassen and lace are "tied together"
in origin.
I like words.
Bev in Shirley BC Canada

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 8:57 AM Gon Homburg  wrote:

> The etymology of the dutch word ‘lassen’ is:
> From Middle Dutch  lasschen
>

>  (“to join together”). Further etymology is unclear, but probably
> borrowed from Old French  lacer
>  (“to tie”).
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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Gon Homburg]

The etymology of the dutch word ‘lassen’ is:
>From Middle Dutch  lasschen

(“to join together”). Further etymology is unclear, but probably borrowed
from Old French  lacer
 (“to tie”).
Best regards
Gon Homburg, Amsterdam, The Netherlands



> Op 17 jun. 2019, om 17:41 heeft Adele Shaak  het volgende
geschreven:
>
> I always think of the word “lash” as in “lash together”
>
> Adele
>
>> Possibly the logic for offering the term "weld" is that two pieces of
>> It would be interesting to know the etymology of "lassen" - maybe has a
>> Latin origin. "Lasso" comes to mind, as also the root word of "lace" but I
>> could be over-thinking!
>> Bev in Shirley BC Canada
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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Adele Shaak]

I always think of the word “lash” as in “lash together”

Adele

> Possibly the logic for offering the term "weld" is that two pieces of
> It would be interesting to know the etymology of "lassen" - maybe has a
> Latin origin. "Lasso" comes to mind, as also the root word of "lace" but I
> could be over-thinking!
> Bev in Shirley BC Canada

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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Bev Walker]

Possibly the logic for offering the term "weld" is that two pieces of
something are joined together (in some way) to look like one.
Sew together is more relevant.

It would be interesting to know the etymology of "lassen" - maybe has a
Latin origin. "Lasso" comes to mind, as also the root word of "lace" but I
could be over-thinking!
Bev in Shirley BC Canada

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> Hi Jane,
>
> I think there is no translation of “lassen” used for lace in one word.
You
> could translate it as sew together.
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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Gon Homburg]

Hi Jane,

I think there is no translation of “lassen” used for lace in one word. You 
could translate it as sew together. You are sewing one end of the lace to the 
other, just as you do with welding of metal pieces. The big difference is that 
welding is done between two ends of metals and the sewing together or lassen of 
lace is done by making an extra repeat in other to overlap and than sen 
together on the best possible spot, so that the sewing is invisible when the 
overlap is cut away.

Best regards

Gon Homburg, Amsterdam, The Netherlands



> Op 16 jun. 2019, om 23:54 heeft Jane  het volgende 
> geschreven:
> 
> Hi Helen,
> 
> After reading your email, I was curious enough to look on line and there 
> appears to be a course at the Kantcentrum
> 
> "Lassen en innaaien van kant"
> 
> G**gle translates the course description as:
> 
> Welding and sewing in lace
> We end one side. Welding and sewing is the complete finishing of a edge.
> The edge must be welded and fabric sewn with a lace for a square edge and an 
> incrustation for a circle.
> This gives a nicely finished edge.
> 
> Welding lace?!! Maybe someone can come up with a better translation?
> 
> If you want to find out more, the course is at the end of July
> https://www.kantcentrum.eu/en/summer-courses/lassen-en-innaaien-van-kant
> 
> Best wishes,
> Jane Read
> New Forest, UK
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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Bev Walker]

Hello Helen and everyone

The neat join called "lassen" is really effective. I followed the
instruction in the Book of Flanders by Niven; equipment required is one
very short, very fine needle, a pair of finely-pointed scissors, and a
joining thread that exactly matches the shade of the lace thread, and --->
two... counts finer. Not difficult to find. I have not seen anything about
6 times finer, maybe the scholarly booklet "Het Lassen" offers some
information.

"Lassen" worked for me, joining over the first and last repeats of a
circular edging in Flanders lace, and for a Binche lace hanky, joining
along one of the sides. Somebody mentioned corners. I do not think "lassen"
is done at a corner. I have seen mitred joins, but not the overlap join at
a corner.

Hope this helps.

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 1:11 AM H M Clarke  wrote:

>  Was there some secret extra-fine thread ...
>
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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[N.A. Neff]

When I blow up the photos to be able to see the path of the thread as it
whipped around bars in the net, it looks to me like the thread used for the
join is the same thread that was used to make the lace. It's certainly not
significantly finer.

Nancy

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 7:05 PM Devon Thein  wrote:.

> ... What do you think about the thread size?
>
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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[N.A. Neff]

Adele,

I'm thinking that a lassen technique might have developed when flat corners
meant one no longer had the gathers at the corners in which to hide the
seam. That's why I've asked in my last post if the seam is indeed in a
gathered part in handerkerchiefs with gathered corners. In handkerchiefs
with flat corners, I was trying to date the ones with drafted corners by
what I had understood from Pam Nottingham (but I'm convinced now that she
was talking only about point ground laces), because if the development of
lassen occurred because drafted corners took away the place to hide the
seam, dating drafted corners would tell us whether lassen was a recent
development or not.

So you are quite correct that lassen is whipping together an overlapped
section with matching pattern, but when and why lassen was developed might
have something to do with the occurrence of flat corners instead of
gathered corners. That's the association I see.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 6:44 PM Adele Shaak  wrote:

> My understanding is that lassen is used when the end of a pattern overlaps
> the beginning; and the patterns therefore match. This would have nothing to
> do with corners; it would be done in the one place in the lace piece where
> the end overlapped the beginning. So, if you were making a hankie that had
> drafted corners, you would work all the way around the pattern and then an
> inch or two past where you started so you can overlap and lassen it
> together.
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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Devon Thein]

I put up on laceioli.ning the phtos of 63.196.17. Also, I did find some
lassen. One is dated about 1800, which I am somewhat doubtful about. The
other is joined lappets dated early 19th century. But, I would expect that
if they were joined it was somewhat later than the date of the lappets,
since lappet wearers didn't wear them joined. What do you think about the
thread size?
Devon

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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Adele Shaak]

My understanding is that lassen is used when the end of a pattern overlaps the 
beginning; and the patterns therefore match. This would have nothing to do with 
corners; it would be done in the one place in the lace piece where the end 
overlapped the beginning. So, if you were making a hankie that had drafted 
corners, you would work all the way around the pattern and then an inch or two 
past where you started so you can overlap and lassen it together.

It looks to me from the hankie Devon has put up on Ning, and the way the 
pattern continues straight around, that they had a long straight piece of lace 
edging, and that was folded back on itself to create the 90 degree corners. If 
it were me I would have sewn the lace seam in place before I cut the triangle 
off, and then overstitched the cut ends. I can’t say for sure that is the way 
this one was made, but I am struck with how perfectly lined up the threads are, 
just before they hit the seam, so I don’t think the lace was cut first and sewn 
later. (still nothing to do with Lassen, I know).

Hope this helps. It would be interesting to look at things like doily edgings, 
picture frames, and the like, to find use of the lassen technique. I seem to 
recall seeing it used on a piece of Tonder; I think the technique  would be 
useful for many different lace types.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

> On Jun 16, 2019, at 2:54 PM, Devon Thein  wrote:
> 
> < the Met and tell us how the joins are made.>>
> Funny you should ask. I was looking at one of the binche handkerchiefs from
> Princess Alice of Monaco, 63.196.6. The joins are in the corners and they
> do not use lassen, although they are very skillfully done. I have posted
> photos of the four corners on
> http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history?xg_source=activity the
> laceioli.ning site in identification/history. The handkerchief dates from
> 1888-1902 based on the monogram which changed when the owner became
> divorced.
> I think that lassen is something that you do with Binche and point de
> Paris. Are there any other laces that use "lassen"?   Nancy, did you see
> any other handkerchiefs of interest? I might have photos.

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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[N.A. Neff]

Devon,

Quite a few of the handkerchiefs that were donated by the Duchesse de
Richelieu, in memory of the Princess Alice of Monaco, in 1963, were of
interest, largely because I couldn't see an obvious join in most of them.
Several had flat corners: e.g., 63.196.17.  In the ones with gathered
corners, I'd be interested again in the join and if it was "hidden" in the
gathers: e.g., 63.196.3.  I noted the accession numbers of several others
in that donation as ones to look at, but stopped making detailed notes
because I couldn't tell much from the photos: 63.196.2, 63.196.1,
63.196.16.  Others not in that donation: 59.62.7, 41.14.16, 08.47.27,
54.94.3, and 41.14.15.

The one that impressed me out of that batch donated was 63.196.12, a
figural Binche, but there the join was obvious (I think).

Your photos on ning IOLI are very good. That piece was one I had noted, and
thought it looked like the corners all had a seam.

Some of the needle lace handkerchiefs are quite distracting. :-) I really
regret being totally unable to do satisfactory needle lace.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA


On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 5:55 PM Devon Thein  wrote:

> ...Nancy, did you see any other handkerchiefs of interest? I might have
> photos.
>
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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Devon Thein]

<>
Funny you should ask. I was looking at one of the binche handkerchiefs from
Princess Alice of Monaco, 63.196.6. The joins are in the corners and they
do not use lassen, although they are very skillfully done. I have posted
photos of the four corners on
http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history?xg_source=activity the
laceioli.ning site in identification/history. The handkerchief dates from
1888-1902 based on the monogram which changed when the owner became
divorced.
I think that lassen is something that you do with Binche and point de
Paris. Are there any other laces that use "lassen"?   Nancy, did you see
any other handkerchiefs of interest? I might have photos.

Devon
Vis a vis Pam Nottingham. If you are doing Bucks it is quite difficult to
do a corner because there is a grid and it is not a 90 degree angle, so
perhaps she and her students did invent a way of handling this grid
disassociation by inserting a motif in the center of the corner to muddy
that issue. Corners in needle lace or Milanese would not present that
problem. Sometimes  you see chalice covers or patten covers with corners in
these laces.

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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[N.A. Neff]

I guess I have to confess that I believed a source and shouldn't have, or I
totally misunderstood her: Pam Nottingham was emphatic that she and her
students were the first to design flat corners for edging handkerchiefs, in
the mid-twentieth C. She must have meant only Bucks because I've just
surveyed handkerchiefs in the Met's on-line catalog, and there are lots of
flat corners from the 19th C but in other types of lace. I saw only a
couple of joins, but the pictures aren't detailed enough to tell whether
there are joins hidden in the gathered part around a corner.

Go to  https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/  and put in
"Handkerchief lace". (without the quotes) Lots of the pieces that come up
in the 121 hits are needle lace but there are some really gorgeous pieces
so not painful to look at as you look through for the bobbin lace.

I think we need to assign Devon to look at all the bobbin lace ones in the
Met and tell us how the joins are made.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA


On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 2:49 PM N.A. Neff  wrote:

> I have few older handkerchiefs so I'm like Devon -- I can't say for sure,
> but I think in the ones I have that have gathered corners, there's a quite
> visible join. (They are in storage but I will try to dig them out soon.) I
> do know that the flat corners are a recent development (i.e., starting in
> the mid-20th C), and I agree with Devon, I think lassen may be a recent
> development dating from trying to make a continuous flat circular or square
> edging -- i.e., no older than mid-20th C. If this is true then there would
> be finer thread available (although I'm not sure about the 6-times finer),
> because modern straight lace edging is typically worked not much finer than
> about 140/2 Egyptian cotton, and there's 185/2 Egyptian cotton readily
> available, and I even saw 210/2 Egyptian cotton somewhere recently.
>

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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[N.A. Neff]

I have few older handkerchiefs so I'm like Devon -- I can't say for sure,
but I think in the ones I have that have gathered corners, there's a quite
visible join. (They are in storage but I will try to dig them out soon.) I
do know that the flat corners are a recent development (i.e., starting in
the mid-20th C), and I agree with Devon, I think lassen may be a recent
development dating from trying to make a continuous flat circular or square
edging -- i.e., no older than mid-20th C. If this is true then there would
be finer thread available (although I'm not sure about the 6-times finer),
because modern straight lace edging is typically worked not much finer than
about 140/2 Egyptian cotton, and there's 185/2 Egyptian cotton readily
available, and I even saw 210/2 Egyptian cotton somewhere recently.

This needs a little research I'd say. Interesting question.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 1:37 PM Clay Blackwell 
wrote:

> ...Corner work is continuous.  It doesn't require the finer thread. ...
>
>
> > On Jun 16, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Devon Thein  wrote:
> > ...whether lassen is a relatively recent development dating from the
> need to
> > match when doing a square handkerchief edging with corners.
>
>

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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Clay Blackwell]

Lassen is a technique for joining fine lace.  It is done with very fine thread 
which is used to wrap small bundles invisibly.  

Corner work is continuous.  It doesn't require the finer thread.  

I'm frustrated that I can't remember more!  I also can't find my copy of "Het 
Lassen", which covers the technique and applications quite well, assuming you 
can muddle through translating!

Clay

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> On Jun 16, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Devon Thein  wrote:
> 
> Add this to the list of things I should be looking for when I look at lace
> in the museum! This is something I never thought of before. I had a quick
> look through my photos and I couldn't find an example of lassen, although I
> have been taught how to do the technique in several classes. It would be
> interesting to see if someone has a historical piece that has lassen on it,
> and then we could assess whether it is true that the thread used was six
> times finer. One random thought that crosses my mind, based on nothing, is
> whether lassen is a relatively recent development dating from the need to
> match when doing a square handkerchief edging with corners.
> Devon
> 
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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Devon Thein]

Add this to the list of things I should be looking for when I look at lace
in the museum! This is something I never thought of before. I had a quick
look through my photos and I couldn't find an example of lassen, although I
have been taught how to do the technique in several classes. It would be
interesting to see if someone has a historical piece that has lassen on it,
and then we could assess whether it is true that the thread used was six
times finer. One random thought that crosses my mind, based on nothing, is
whether lassen is a relatively recent development dating from the need to
match when doing a square handkerchief edging with corners.
Devon


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[lace] Lassen question

[H M Clarke]

Hi,

Since the list is silent, I would like to ask an historical question. I will 
state here that I have asked the question before years ago but didn’t get a 
satisfactory answer so here I go again ...

For lassen (I think that is the word), where the ends of lace are overlapped 
and (almost) invisibly joined by oversewing, what thread did they use?

We often hear about how the finest threads were used to make the lace. Then I 
got an answer that said that the lassen thread was six times finer than that. 
Presumably they always used the same type of thread (linen, cotton, silk or 
whatever) for both. Therefore, I am in something of a quandary and I am really 
hoping that someone can explain. Was there some secret extra-fine thread that 
was only available in short lengths? Whatever it was, it had to be strong and 
well-spun and available to these skilled artists. Just how fine are we talking 
about? I understand that there are a few specialists who still do this work so 
maybe one of you have used their talents and know something about it? 

Over to you all, thank you in advance,

Helen (in hot British Columbia)

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