[Langcom] Re: "Global Council" discussions

[MF-Warburg]

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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council#Comments_from_Langcom_about_Langcom-related_points
>

Am Sa., 23. Sept. 2023 um 13:16 Uhr schrieb Anass Sedrati <
sedra...@gmail.com>:

> Hello MF-Warburg,
>
> So sorry for my late answer. I am currently in Ivory Coast for a
> conference and I am not really always connected, apologies for that!
>
> Please if you have posted on Meta let me know, and I will take it to the
> MCDC. Thank you very much!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anass
>
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 9:04 AM MF-Warburg 
> wrote:
>
>> @ Anass: Can you convey these comments? Otherwise I can only post them on
>> Meta on Wednesday.
>>
>> MF-Warburg  schrieb am Mi., 13. Sept. 2023,
>> 01:30:
>>
>>> If there are no other comments, I will post these on the talk page.
>>>
>>> Am Di., 5. Sept. 2023 um 22:15 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg <
>>> mfwarb...@googlemail.com>:
>>>
 Some comments, I invite your additions and comments. I hope we can have
 a consensus so we can give our comments "as Langcom", not as individual
 members.

 === Approving new language projects - standards setting ===
 [1] * The Language Committee (LangCom) reports to the Global Council.
 The Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of
 LangCom, subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter.
 [2] * The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects
 to be recognised.
 [3] * The Global Council may choose to allow LangCom to directly
 recognise new language projects or retain that authority for itself.
 [4] * In this new structure, LangCom is tasked to verify that proposed
 projects are substantial and sufficiently supported.

 === Closure of lingual and sister projects ===
 [5] * The Global Council possesses the authority to veto decisions to
 close a lingual project. It may set its own standards on whether to vote on
 such matters. Where it does not vote, the Language Committee (LangCom) will
 take the decision.
 [Does not relate to Langcom] * An affirmative vote of the Global
 Council is required to progress with closing a sister project. The Global
 Council may set additional criteria before voting. The viability of project
 continuation and necessity of closing will be extensively checked before
 final voting by Global Council.
 [6] * The Global Council, through LangCom, would have the authority to
 set standards to close an incubator project. In the absence of Global
 Council action, LangCom will continue to set its own standards.

 To point 1. I suggest acknowledging that Langcom already exists and has
 a structure and a [[m:Language_committee#Charter|charter]], which however
 still shows signs of being from the time Langcom was established.

 To point 2. I suggest making clear that this relates to the
 [[m:Language proposal policy]]. It should be made clear if the Global
 Council should have the competency to change this policy (alone?).

 To point 3. Please make clear what "recognise" means. Currently we have
 "verification as eligible" and "final approval", both are done by Langcom.
 The Board has years ago waived the requirement that they formally be
 consulted for a final approval (i.e. wiki creation). I suggest keeping it
 that way and striking this point, as the current process works and it would
 be strange to reserve the creation of wikis to a different body.

 To point 4. Please make clear if this is supposed to be a change from
 current policy.

 To point 5. Please use "language version" instead of "lingual project".
 This is the established terminology and, I think, also clearer than the
 relatively unknown adjective "lingual".

 To point 6. What would it mean to close an Incubator project?
 Currently, projects on Incubator can get deleted / prevented from creation,
 but that is an Incubator community / admins decision. Also, don't forget
 that Wikisource and Wikiversity are being incubated on the Multilingual
 Wikisource and BetaWikiversity, respectively.



 Am Fr., 1. Sept. 2023 um 13:28 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg <
 mfwarb...@googlemail.com>:

> I will try to write something over the weekend.
>
> Am Sa., 26. Aug. 2023 um 10:03 Uhr schrieb Anass Sedrati <
> sedra...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hello and sorry for my late answer,
>>
>> It is important to voice and share your feedback as I have mentioned
>> that the MCDC is now having its community conversation period. Could you
>> please share your feedback at the talk page of the Global Council
>> draft
>> ?
>> If it is not possible, just let me know and I can see how to take it to 
>> the
>> MCDC to make sure that your opinion is 

[Langcom] Re: "Global Council" discussions

[Anass Sedrati]

Hello MF-Warburg,

So sorry for my late answer. I am currently in Ivory Coast for a conference
and I am not really always connected, apologies for that!

Please if you have posted on Meta let me know, and I will take it to the
MCDC. Thank you very much!

Best regards,

Anass

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 9:04 AM MF-Warburg  wrote:

> @ Anass: Can you convey these comments? Otherwise I can only post them on
> Meta on Wednesday.
>
> MF-Warburg  schrieb am Mi., 13. Sept. 2023,
> 01:30:
>
>> If there are no other comments, I will post these on the talk page.
>>
>> Am Di., 5. Sept. 2023 um 22:15 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg <
>> mfwarb...@googlemail.com>:
>>
>>> Some comments, I invite your additions and comments. I hope we can have
>>> a consensus so we can give our comments "as Langcom", not as individual
>>> members.
>>>
>>> === Approving new language projects - standards setting ===
>>> [1] * The Language Committee (LangCom) reports to the Global Council.
>>> The Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of
>>> LangCom, subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter.
>>> [2] * The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects
>>> to be recognised.
>>> [3] * The Global Council may choose to allow LangCom to directly
>>> recognise new language projects or retain that authority for itself.
>>> [4] * In this new structure, LangCom is tasked to verify that proposed
>>> projects are substantial and sufficiently supported.
>>>
>>> === Closure of lingual and sister projects ===
>>> [5] * The Global Council possesses the authority to veto decisions to
>>> close a lingual project. It may set its own standards on whether to vote on
>>> such matters. Where it does not vote, the Language Committee (LangCom) will
>>> take the decision.
>>> [Does not relate to Langcom] * An affirmative vote of the Global Council
>>> is required to progress with closing a sister project. The Global Council
>>> may set additional criteria before voting. The viability of project
>>> continuation and necessity of closing will be extensively checked before
>>> final voting by Global Council.
>>> [6] * The Global Council, through LangCom, would have the authority to
>>> set standards to close an incubator project. In the absence of Global
>>> Council action, LangCom will continue to set its own standards.
>>>
>>> To point 1. I suggest acknowledging that Langcom already exists and has
>>> a structure and a [[m:Language_committee#Charter|charter]], which however
>>> still shows signs of being from the time Langcom was established.
>>>
>>> To point 2. I suggest making clear that this relates to the [[m:Language
>>> proposal policy]]. It should be made clear if the Global Council should
>>> have the competency to change this policy (alone?).
>>>
>>> To point 3. Please make clear what "recognise" means. Currently we have
>>> "verification as eligible" and "final approval", both are done by Langcom.
>>> The Board has years ago waived the requirement that they formally be
>>> consulted for a final approval (i.e. wiki creation). I suggest keeping it
>>> that way and striking this point, as the current process works and it would
>>> be strange to reserve the creation of wikis to a different body.
>>>
>>> To point 4. Please make clear if this is supposed to be a change from
>>> current policy.
>>>
>>> To point 5. Please use "language version" instead of "lingual project".
>>> This is the established terminology and, I think, also clearer than the
>>> relatively unknown adjective "lingual".
>>>
>>> To point 6. What would it mean to close an Incubator project? Currently,
>>> projects on Incubator can get deleted / prevented from creation, but that
>>> is an Incubator community / admins decision. Also, don't forget that
>>> Wikisource and Wikiversity are being incubated on the Multilingual
>>> Wikisource and BetaWikiversity, respectively.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am Fr., 1. Sept. 2023 um 13:28 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg <
>>> mfwarb...@googlemail.com>:
>>>
 I will try to write something over the weekend.

 Am Sa., 26. Aug. 2023 um 10:03 Uhr schrieb Anass Sedrati <
 sedra...@gmail.com>:

> Hello and sorry for my late answer,
>
> It is important to voice and share your feedback as I have mentioned
> that the MCDC is now having its community conversation period. Could you
> please share your feedback at the talk page of the Global Council
> draft
> ?
> If it is not possible, just let me know and I can see how to take it to 
> the
> MCDC to make sure that your opinion is gathered during this round before
> shaping the next draft. Thank you again for taking the time and caring
> about the movement charter :)
>
> I wish you an excellent weekend!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anass
>
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 6:37 AM Sotiale Wiki 
> wrote:
>
>> The realization of 

[Langcom] Re: "Global Council" discussions

[MF-Warburg]

@ Anass: Can you convey these comments? Otherwise I can only post them on
Meta on Wednesday.

MF-Warburg  schrieb am Mi., 13. Sept. 2023, 01:30:

> If there are no other comments, I will post these on the talk page.
>
> Am Di., 5. Sept. 2023 um 22:15 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg <
> mfwarb...@googlemail.com>:
>
>> Some comments, I invite your additions and comments. I hope we can have a
>> consensus so we can give our comments "as Langcom", not as individual
>> members.
>>
>> === Approving new language projects - standards setting ===
>> [1] * The Language Committee (LangCom) reports to the Global Council. The
>> Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of LangCom,
>> subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter.
>> [2] * The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects
>> to be recognised.
>> [3] * The Global Council may choose to allow LangCom to directly
>> recognise new language projects or retain that authority for itself.
>> [4] * In this new structure, LangCom is tasked to verify that proposed
>> projects are substantial and sufficiently supported.
>>
>> === Closure of lingual and sister projects ===
>> [5] * The Global Council possesses the authority to veto decisions to
>> close a lingual project. It may set its own standards on whether to vote on
>> such matters. Where it does not vote, the Language Committee (LangCom) will
>> take the decision.
>> [Does not relate to Langcom] * An affirmative vote of the Global Council
>> is required to progress with closing a sister project. The Global Council
>> may set additional criteria before voting. The viability of project
>> continuation and necessity of closing will be extensively checked before
>> final voting by Global Council.
>> [6] * The Global Council, through LangCom, would have the authority to
>> set standards to close an incubator project. In the absence of Global
>> Council action, LangCom will continue to set its own standards.
>>
>> To point 1. I suggest acknowledging that Langcom already exists and has a
>> structure and a [[m:Language_committee#Charter|charter]], which however
>> still shows signs of being from the time Langcom was established.
>>
>> To point 2. I suggest making clear that this relates to the [[m:Language
>> proposal policy]]. It should be made clear if the Global Council should
>> have the competency to change this policy (alone?).
>>
>> To point 3. Please make clear what "recognise" means. Currently we have
>> "verification as eligible" and "final approval", both are done by Langcom.
>> The Board has years ago waived the requirement that they formally be
>> consulted for a final approval (i.e. wiki creation). I suggest keeping it
>> that way and striking this point, as the current process works and it would
>> be strange to reserve the creation of wikis to a different body.
>>
>> To point 4. Please make clear if this is supposed to be a change from
>> current policy.
>>
>> To point 5. Please use "language version" instead of "lingual project".
>> This is the established terminology and, I think, also clearer than the
>> relatively unknown adjective "lingual".
>>
>> To point 6. What would it mean to close an Incubator project? Currently,
>> projects on Incubator can get deleted / prevented from creation, but that
>> is an Incubator community / admins decision. Also, don't forget that
>> Wikisource and Wikiversity are being incubated on the Multilingual
>> Wikisource and BetaWikiversity, respectively.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am Fr., 1. Sept. 2023 um 13:28 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg <
>> mfwarb...@googlemail.com>:
>>
>>> I will try to write something over the weekend.
>>>
>>> Am Sa., 26. Aug. 2023 um 10:03 Uhr schrieb Anass Sedrati <
>>> sedra...@gmail.com>:
>>>
 Hello and sorry for my late answer,

 It is important to voice and share your feedback as I have mentioned
 that the MCDC is now having its community conversation period. Could you
 please share your feedback at the talk page of the Global Council draft
 ?
 If it is not possible, just let me know and I can see how to take it to the
 MCDC to make sure that your opinion is gathered during this round before
 shaping the next draft. Thank you again for taking the time and caring
 about the movement charter :)

 I wish you an excellent weekend!

 Best regards,

 Anass

 On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 6:37 AM Sotiale Wiki 
 wrote:

> The realization of the power specified on the page sounds like the
> power to override the consensus and process of the existing global
> community.
>
> The Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of
>> LangCom, subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter.
>
> It is not clear in what sense the expression was used. It sounds like
> the GC can elect or dismiss members as an oversight body.
>

[Langcom] Re: "Global Council" discussions

[MF-Warburg]

If there are no other comments, I will post these on the talk page.

Am Di., 5. Sept. 2023 um 22:15 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg <
mfwarb...@googlemail.com>:

> Some comments, I invite your additions and comments. I hope we can have a
> consensus so we can give our comments "as Langcom", not as individual
> members.
>
> === Approving new language projects - standards setting ===
> [1] * The Language Committee (LangCom) reports to the Global Council. The
> Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of LangCom,
> subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter.
> [2] * The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects to
> be recognised.
> [3] * The Global Council may choose to allow LangCom to directly recognise
> new language projects or retain that authority for itself.
> [4] * In this new structure, LangCom is tasked to verify that proposed
> projects are substantial and sufficiently supported.
>
> === Closure of lingual and sister projects ===
> [5] * The Global Council possesses the authority to veto decisions to
> close a lingual project. It may set its own standards on whether to vote on
> such matters. Where it does not vote, the Language Committee (LangCom) will
> take the decision.
> [Does not relate to Langcom] * An affirmative vote of the Global Council
> is required to progress with closing a sister project. The Global Council
> may set additional criteria before voting. The viability of project
> continuation and necessity of closing will be extensively checked before
> final voting by Global Council.
> [6] * The Global Council, through LangCom, would have the authority to set
> standards to close an incubator project. In the absence of Global Council
> action, LangCom will continue to set its own standards.
>
> To point 1. I suggest acknowledging that Langcom already exists and has a
> structure and a [[m:Language_committee#Charter|charter]], which however
> still shows signs of being from the time Langcom was established.
>
> To point 2. I suggest making clear that this relates to the [[m:Language
> proposal policy]]. It should be made clear if the Global Council should
> have the competency to change this policy (alone?).
>
> To point 3. Please make clear what "recognise" means. Currently we have
> "verification as eligible" and "final approval", both are done by Langcom.
> The Board has years ago waived the requirement that they formally be
> consulted for a final approval (i.e. wiki creation). I suggest keeping it
> that way and striking this point, as the current process works and it would
> be strange to reserve the creation of wikis to a different body.
>
> To point 4. Please make clear if this is supposed to be a change from
> current policy.
>
> To point 5. Please use "language version" instead of "lingual project".
> This is the established terminology and, I think, also clearer than the
> relatively unknown adjective "lingual".
>
> To point 6. What would it mean to close an Incubator project? Currently,
> projects on Incubator can get deleted / prevented from creation, but that
> is an Incubator community / admins decision. Also, don't forget that
> Wikisource and Wikiversity are being incubated on the Multilingual
> Wikisource and BetaWikiversity, respectively.
>
>
>
> Am Fr., 1. Sept. 2023 um 13:28 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg <
> mfwarb...@googlemail.com>:
>
>> I will try to write something over the weekend.
>>
>> Am Sa., 26. Aug. 2023 um 10:03 Uhr schrieb Anass Sedrati <
>> sedra...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hello and sorry for my late answer,
>>>
>>> It is important to voice and share your feedback as I have mentioned
>>> that the MCDC is now having its community conversation period. Could you
>>> please share your feedback at the talk page of the Global Council draft
>>> ?
>>> If it is not possible, just let me know and I can see how to take it to the
>>> MCDC to make sure that your opinion is gathered during this round before
>>> shaping the next draft. Thank you again for taking the time and caring
>>> about the movement charter :)
>>>
>>> I wish you an excellent weekend!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Anass
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 6:37 AM Sotiale Wiki 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The realization of the power specified on the page sounds like the
 power to override the consensus and process of the existing global
 community.

 The Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of
> LangCom, subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter.

 It is not clear in what sense the expression was used. It sounds like
 the GC can elect or dismiss members as an oversight body.

 The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects to be
> recognised.

 It is thought to grant the power to override the contents of the
 current LPP. But this will cause serious confusion.
 Because this would 

[Langcom] Re: "Global Council" discussions

[MF-Warburg]

 Some comments, I invite your additions and comments. I hope we can have a
consensus so we can give our comments "as Langcom", not as individual
members.

=== Approving new language projects - standards setting ===
[1] * The Language Committee (LangCom) reports to the Global Council. The
Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of LangCom,
subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter.
[2] * The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects to
be recognised.
[3] * The Global Council may choose to allow LangCom to directly recognise
new language projects or retain that authority for itself.
[4] * In this new structure, LangCom is tasked to verify that proposed
projects are substantial and sufficiently supported.

=== Closure of lingual and sister projects ===
[5] * The Global Council possesses the authority to veto decisions to close
a lingual project. It may set its own standards on whether to vote on such
matters. Where it does not vote, the Language Committee (LangCom) will take
the decision.
[Does not relate to Langcom] * An affirmative vote of the Global Council is
required to progress with closing a sister project. The Global Council may
set additional criteria before voting. The viability of project
continuation and necessity of closing will be extensively checked before
final voting by Global Council.
[6] * The Global Council, through LangCom, would have the authority to set
standards to close an incubator project. In the absence of Global Council
action, LangCom will continue to set its own standards.

To point 1. I suggest acknowledging that Langcom already exists and has a
structure and a [[m:Language_committee#Charter|charter]], which however
still shows signs of being from the time Langcom was established.

To point 2. I suggest making clear that this relates to the [[m:Language
proposal policy]]. It should be made clear if the Global Council should
have the competency to change this policy (alone?).

To point 3. Please make clear what "recognise" means. Currently we have
"verification as eligible" and "final approval", both are done by Langcom.
The Board has years ago waived the requirement that they formally be
consulted for a final approval (i.e. wiki creation). I suggest keeping it
that way and striking this point, as the current process works and it would
be strange to reserve the creation of wikis to a different body.

To point 4. Please make clear if this is supposed to be a change from
current policy.

To point 5. Please use "language version" instead of "lingual project".
This is the established terminology and, I think, also clearer than the
relatively unknown adjective "lingual".

To point 6. What would it mean to close an Incubator project? Currently,
projects on Incubator can get deleted / prevented from creation, but that
is an Incubator community / admins decision. Also, don't forget that
Wikisource and Wikiversity are being incubated on the Multilingual
Wikisource and BetaWikiversity, respectively.



Am Fr., 1. Sept. 2023 um 13:28 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg <
mfwarb...@googlemail.com>:

> I will try to write something over the weekend.
>
> Am Sa., 26. Aug. 2023 um 10:03 Uhr schrieb Anass Sedrati <
> sedra...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hello and sorry for my late answer,
>>
>> It is important to voice and share your feedback as I have mentioned that
>> the MCDC is now having its community conversation period. Could you please
>> share your feedback at the talk page of the Global Council draft
>> ?
>> If it is not possible, just let me know and I can see how to take it to the
>> MCDC to make sure that your opinion is gathered during this round before
>> shaping the next draft. Thank you again for taking the time and caring
>> about the movement charter :)
>>
>> I wish you an excellent weekend!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Anass
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 6:37 AM Sotiale Wiki 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The realization of the power specified on the page sounds like the power
>>> to override the consensus and process of the existing global community.
>>>
>>> The Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of
 LangCom, subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter.
>>>
>>> It is not clear in what sense the expression was used. It sounds like
>>> the GC can elect or dismiss members as an oversight body.
>>>
>>> The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects to be
 recognised.
>>>
>>> It is thought to grant the power to override the contents of the current
>>> LPP. But this will cause serious confusion.
>>> Because this would rather create exceptions, the existing langcom would
>>> be crippled and appealed to the GC, the appellate body.
>>>
>>> There are other points of concern, such as how does the GC oversee
>>> langcom's structure and decision making?
>>> I am concerned that the complaints and problems of each local wiki about

[Langcom] Re: "Global Council" discussions

[MF-Warburg]

I will try to write something over the weekend.

Am Sa., 26. Aug. 2023 um 10:03 Uhr schrieb Anass Sedrati :

> Hello and sorry for my late answer,
>
> It is important to voice and share your feedback as I have mentioned that
> the MCDC is now having its community conversation period. Could you please
> share your feedback at the talk page of the Global Council draft
> ?
> If it is not possible, just let me know and I can see how to take it to the
> MCDC to make sure that your opinion is gathered during this round before
> shaping the next draft. Thank you again for taking the time and caring
> about the movement charter :)
>
> I wish you an excellent weekend!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anass
>
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 6:37 AM Sotiale Wiki  wrote:
>
>> The realization of the power specified on the page sounds like the power
>> to override the consensus and process of the existing global community.
>>
>> The Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of
>>> LangCom, subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter.
>>
>> It is not clear in what sense the expression was used. It sounds like the
>> GC can elect or dismiss members as an oversight body.
>>
>> The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects to be
>>> recognised.
>>
>> It is thought to grant the power to override the contents of the current
>> LPP. But this will cause serious confusion.
>> Because this would rather create exceptions, the existing langcom would
>> be crippled and appealed to the GC, the appellate body.
>>
>> There are other points of concern, such as how does the GC oversee
>> langcom's structure and decision making?
>> I am concerned that the complaints and problems of each local wiki about
>> OC (I am not talking about the current OC) that have been pointed out in
>> the past will be implemented.
>>
>> Sotiale
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>  바이러스가
>> 없습니다.www.avast.com
>> 
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>>
>> 2023년 8월 15일 (화) 오전 1:03, MF-Warburg 님이 작성:
>>
>>> I have noticed that at <
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council#Responsibilities_and_associated_Powers>,
>>> it is suggested to make the proposed Global Council responsible for
>>> oversight over Langcom, instead of - like it currently is - the Board. So
>>> far, nobody has invited us to comment on this, about which I am surprised.
>>>
>>> My first impression is that it would not change a lot, but it still
>>> implies there will be *some* changes to the Langcom processes. For now, I
>>> just wanted to send a quick email to inform you all, but I think it would
>>> be worthwhile to look into that and to make a statement about the proposal
>>> that is backed by the consensus of the committee.
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[Langcom] Re: "Global Council" discussions

[Anass Sedrati]

Hello and sorry for my late answer,

It is important to voice and share your feedback as I have mentioned that
the MCDC is now having its community conversation period. Could you please
share your feedback at the talk page of the Global Council draft
?
If it is not possible, just let me know and I can see how to take it to the
MCDC to make sure that your opinion is gathered during this round before
shaping the next draft. Thank you again for taking the time and caring
about the movement charter :)

I wish you an excellent weekend!

Best regards,

Anass

On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 6:37 AM Sotiale Wiki  wrote:

> The realization of the power specified on the page sounds like the power
> to override the consensus and process of the existing global community.
>
> The Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of
>> LangCom, subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter.
>
> It is not clear in what sense the expression was used. It sounds like the
> GC can elect or dismiss members as an oversight body.
>
> The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects to be
>> recognised.
>
> It is thought to grant the power to override the contents of the current
> LPP. But this will cause serious confusion.
> Because this would rather create exceptions, the existing langcom would be
> crippled and appealed to the GC, the appellate body.
>
> There are other points of concern, such as how does the GC oversee
> langcom's structure and decision making?
> I am concerned that the complaints and problems of each local wiki about
> OC (I am not talking about the current OC) that have been pointed out in
> the past will be implemented.
>
> Sotiale
>
>
>
> 
>  바이러스가
> 없습니다.www.avast.com
> 
> <#m_6013307663315263621_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> 2023년 8월 15일 (화) 오전 1:03, MF-Warburg 님이 작성:
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>> I have noticed that at <
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council#Responsibilities_and_associated_Powers>,
>> it is suggested to make the proposed Global Council responsible for
>> oversight over Langcom, instead of - like it currently is - the Board. So
>> far, nobody has invited us to comment on this, about which I am surprised.
>>
>> My first impression is that it would not change a lot, but it still
>> implies there will be *some* changes to the Langcom processes. For now, I
>> just wanted to send a quick email to inform you all, but I think it would
>> be worthwhile to look into that and to make a statement about the proposal
>> that is backed by the consensus of the committee.
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[Langcom] Re: "Global Council" discussions

[Sotiale Wiki]

The realization of the power specified on the page sounds like the power to
override the consensus and process of the existing global community.

The Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of
> LangCom, subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter.

It is not clear in what sense the expression was used. It sounds like the
GC can elect or dismiss members as an oversight body.

The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects to be
> recognised.

It is thought to grant the power to override the contents of the current
LPP. But this will cause serious confusion.
Because this would rather create exceptions, the existing langcom would be
crippled and appealed to the GC, the appellate body.

There are other points of concern, such as how does the GC oversee
langcom's structure and decision making?
I am concerned that the complaints and problems of each local wiki about OC
(I am not talking about the current OC) that have been pointed out in the
past will be implemented.

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2023년 8월 15일 (화) 오전 1:03, MF-Warburg 님이 작성:

> I have noticed that at <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council#Responsibilities_and_associated_Powers>,
> it is suggested to make the proposed Global Council responsible for
> oversight over Langcom, instead of - like it currently is - the Board. So
> far, nobody has invited us to comment on this, about which I am surprised.
>
> My first impression is that it would not change a lot, but it still
> implies there will be *some* changes to the Langcom processes. For now, I
> just wanted to send a quick email to inform you all, but I think it would
> be worthwhile to look into that and to make a statement about the proposal
> that is backed by the consensus of the committee.
> ___
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> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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[Langcom] Re: "Global Council" discussions

[Anass Sedrati]

Dear MF-Warburg,

Thank you for mentioning this. As you might know, I am member of the
Movement Charter Drafting Committee (MCDC), and more specifically, of the
subcommittee working with Global Council. The text that you have shared is
actually a suggestion because we have to start somewhere, but the whole
idea is that the team needs feedback to be able to work on the draft and
advance with it.

Currently, MCDC is launching community conversations

(from July to September) and there are many ways to share your feedback. It
can be either on Meta or by joining designated meetings or even at
Wikimania (in case anyone is attending). Please let me know what works
best, but the MCDC is really seeking feedback from all stakeholders. I
apologize for not mentioning this before (as communications were shared in
different channels by the team), but it is great that you mentioned it here
Warburg, especially in this time, which is exactly the perfect one for
these discussions.

Please let me know if you have any questions. I will be happy to answer or
point you towards someone who can.

Thank you again, and have a great day ahead!

Best regards,

Anass

On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 6:03 PM MF-Warburg  wrote:

> I have noticed that at <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council#Responsibilities_and_associated_Powers>,
> it is suggested to make the proposed Global Council responsible for
> oversight over Langcom, instead of - like it currently is - the Board. So
> far, nobody has invited us to comment on this, about which I am surprised.
>
> My first impression is that it would not change a lot, but it still
> implies there will be *some* changes to the Langcom processes. For now, I
> just wanted to send a quick email to inform you all, but I think it would
> be worthwhile to look into that and to make a statement about the proposal
> that is backed by the consensus of the committee.
> ___
> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
>


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