[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> There has been a lot of discussion recently about packaging systems, but
> simply separating the configuration from the package would be a big help.
> People could distribute an updated package, and others could in most cases
> simply replace theirs and reboot. If they
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Mike Sensney wrote:
> At 09:53 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote
[...]
> >Good point. I'm using the leaf-announce list to post security
> >bullitins. I admit, I haven't done a great job. Do we need a separate
> >list for security announcements, or are you suggesting som
At 11:13 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Steven Peck wrote
>A LEAF box should be able to check for updates and inform its
>administrator that updates are needed.
>
>-
>I don't necessarily agree with this. Part of the appeal of a base config'd
>system for me is that eve
At 09:53 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote
>Mike Sensney, 2001-06-15 08:35 -0700
>>At 06:31 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote
>>
>>>David Douthitt, 2001-06-15 07:45 -0500
Mike Sensney wrote:
>
> Still, a point well taken. It probably would be wise to institute an
> advisor
Gee. And I was just thinking of simple notification, then letting the admin
do the work. :-)
At 10:54 AM 06/15/2001 -0500, David Douthitt wrote
>Mike Sensney wrote:
>
>> A LEAF box should be able to check for updates and inform its administrator
>> that updates are needed.
>
>This is a great i
A LEAF box should be able to check for updates and inform its
administrator that updates are needed.
-
I don't necessarily agree with this. Part of the appeal of a base config'd
system for me is that even if it is hacked, there arn't many tools to use.
Remote
Mike Sensney, 2001-06-15 08:35 -0700
>At 06:31 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote
>
> >David Douthitt, 2001-06-15 07:45 -0500
> >>Mike Sensney wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Still, a point well taken. It probably would be wise to institute an
> >>> advisory list for package updates and security issues.
> >
Mike Sensney wrote:
> A LEAF box should be able to check for updates and inform its administrator
> that updates are needed.
This is a great idea, and one I like. However, there are several
things that would be needed before something like this could be truly
useful:
* A centralized package se
At 06:31 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote
>David Douthitt, 2001-06-15 07:45 -0500
>>Mike Sensney wrote:
>>>
>>> Still, a point well taken. It probably would be wise to institute an
>>> advisory list for package updates and security issues.
>>
>>A very good idea - and very possibly, a good pl
Pim van Riezen wrote:
> I'm even known to grab for a Mac
> if I'm really in a weird mood :)
Heh. I've even loaded emacs and vi onto my Mac before - however,
somehow my Mac hasn't been infected - though Mac people think me
strange too as I STILL prefer MacWrite :-) ...then on Windows I tend
to fa
> For me personally, my aim is not to build "black box appliances that need
> no maintenance", but rather to build "network appliances that don't carry
> Unix baggage unless if there's no alternatives". With my consumer hat on,
> if I install an appliance to take care of a specific task for me, I
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote:
> > We will probably perpetually disagree in our viewpoints here then. Which
> > doesn't matter, diversity == strength :)
>
> Being a vi nut, I'm used to being alone :-)
I use vi solely as my editor when I work as root and when I do I prefer it
to be a
Pim van Riezen wrote:
>
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote:
> For me personally, my aim is not to build "black box appliances that need
> no maintenance", but rather to build "network appliances that don't carry
> Unix baggage unless if there's no alternatives".
That's if you consider
David Douthitt, 2001-06-15 07:45 -0500
>Mike Sensney wrote:
> >
> > Still, a point well taken. It probably would be wise to institute an
> > advisory list for package updates and security issues.
>
>A very good idea - and very possibly, a good place for LEAF: to
>coordinate package updates, system
David Douthitt wrote:
>
> Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
>
> > Hey! What's with this VI stuff...it's emacs all the way!
> > ;-)
>
> I love Emacs too - that's the problem. I got spoiled using real Emacs
> on a HP Apollo for a while - never left Emacs, even though X was
> available.
I forgot to
Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
> Hey! What's with this VI stuff...it's emacs all the way!
> ;-)
I love Emacs too - that's the problem. I got spoiled using real Emacs
on a HP Apollo for a while - never left Emacs, even though X was
available.
However, there's not one decent powerful and complet
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
> Hey! What's with this VI stuff...it's emacs all the way!
> ;-)
Heh, I can see it now:
Connected to 192.168.1.2
Escape character is ^]
Welcome to Nitrogen
Username: jrhacker
Password:
1..Interface Configuration
2..Route C
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Luis.F.Correia wrote:
>
> >Take a look at Cisco I'd say. I never have to compile IOS from source, but
> >they're pretty responsible in reporting security issues.
>
> Provided you'll pay for the fixes.
>
> They do NOT offer nothing for free... but they never said that either..
> > Still, a point well taken. It probably would be wise to institute an
> > advisory list for package updates and security issues.
>
> A very good idea - and very possibly, a good place for LEAF: to
> coordinate package updates, system updates, etc.
Ah-ha! An overlooked requiremnet of the new p
>Take a look at Cisco I'd say. I never have to compile IOS from source, but
>they're pretty responsible in reporting security issues.
Provided you'll pay for the fixes.
They do NOT offer nothing for free... but they never said that either...
___
Lea
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote:
> Mike Sensney wrote:
> >
> > At 12:26 PM 06/14/2001 -0500, David Douthitt wrote
>
> > Windows users who don't know Linux/ipchains should just skip installing a
> > LEAF firewall since it will add no protection? Well, that will simplify
> > things a lot
Mike Sensney wrote:
>
> At 12:26 PM 06/14/2001 -0500, David Douthitt wrote
> Windows users who don't know Linux/ipchains should just skip installing a
> LEAF firewall since it will add no protection? Well, that will simplify
> things a lot for the new users page. "You don't know Linux? Don't use
Jack Coates, 2001-06-14 19:13 -0700
>agreed. what's required here? Mike, give me a few pointers and I'll take
>care of it.
Jack,
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better
--
Jack Coates
Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner!
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote:
> Everyone,
> Are our home page and releases page easier to navigate now?
>
> Note: I still need to work on our releases page, but I think our home page
> is alright.
>
At 12:26 PM 06/14/2001 -0500, David Douthitt wrote
>Mike Sensney wrote:
>> Imagine you are a Windows user. :-)
>
>Not hard - but now I've got VNC on my NT box and a vnc server on the
>Linux box :-)
>
>> You have heard about firewalling, have a
>> spare computer, and want to protect your home/offic
agreed. what's required here? Mike, give me a few pointers and I'll take
care of it.
--
Jack Coates
Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner!
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Scott C. Best wrote:
>
> Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to
> imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there
Charles Steinkuehler, 2001-06-14 13:35 -0500
> > Everyone,
> > Are our home page and releases page easier to navigate now?
> >
> > Note: I still need to work on our releases page, but I think our home
> > page is alright.
>
>Looking better!
Charles,
Thanks. The releases page still needs a lot of
Scott C. Best, 2001-06-14 12:41 -0700
>Mike:
> Looks much better, thanks!
Scott,
No problem. Thanks for the suggestion.
> Quick thing: there's a new half-inch margin on
>the right hand side that's squishing the page leftwards.
>Or is my browser just totally hosed? (NS 4.6 on Sola
Mike:
Looks much better, thanks!
Quick thing: there's a new half-inch margin on
the right hand side that's squishing the page leftwards.
Or is my browser just totally hosed? (NS 4.6 on Solaris).
-Scott
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote:
> Charles Steinkuehler, 2001-06-14 09
> Everyone,
> Are our home page and releases page easier to navigate now?
>
> Note: I still need to work on our releases page, but I think our home page
> is alright.
Looking better!
I still think we need a page that tells folks about the different versions.
The current FAQ page you link to is a
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote:
[...]
> What most people want - a blackbox that you plug in and turn on and
> forget - it just isn't going to happen:
>
> 1. Too many variables: do you want a VPN? Shell access? Proxy?
> DMZ? Web Cache? Web server? SNMP? Web statistics? Name se
Charles Steinkuehler, 2001-06-14 09:51 -0500
>I don't know that we need to change the menu items, just make it easier
>for a new user to find our distributions. Maybe add another
>'tagline'...something like
>
>What is it?
>
>Project Goals:
>
>Distributions:
> Choosing a distribution <- Link to
Mike Sensney wrote:
>
> Imagine you are a Windows user. :-)
Not hard - but now I've got VNC on my NT box and a vnc server on the
Linux box :-)
> You have heard about firewalling, have a
> spare computer, and want to protect your home/office network. You don't
> know RedHat from YellowDog and d
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Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement
> Imagine you are a Windows user. :-) You have heard about firewalling, have
a
> spare computer, and want to protect your home/office network. You don't
> know RedHat from
Imagine you are a Windows user. :-) You have heard about firewalling, have a
spare computer, and want to protect your home/office network. You don't
know RedHat from YellowDog and don't really care. You don't have the time to
read all of the docs. You don't want to have to make all sorts of ch
"Scott C. Best" wrote:
> My suggestion would be to add a "Get a LEAF
> Disk image Right Here, Right Now" right under the Affiliates
> section of the main page. Have that link take the user to
> the current Releases page where Eigerstein and Oxygen are
> active links to their sites (which
distribution
--[button] floppy based
--[button] cd-rom based
(Probably where most of the Oxygen stuff will be)
How's that?
-sp
-Original Message-
From: Scott C. Best
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 6/14/2001 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement
Mike:
I'm
Mike:
I'm hardly the best judge of what's best for new
users. But I'm very opinionated, if that helps! ;)
My suggestion would be to add a "Get a LEAF
Disk image Right Here, Right Now" right under the Affiliates
section of the main page. Have that link take the user to
the current
> Scott C. Best, 2001-06-13 23:25 -0700
> > Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to
> >imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there for the
> >first time.
> > And it strikes me...where's the distro? IMO, front¢er
> >links to both ES2B and Oxygen be a would be a gre
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote:
> Scott C. Best, 2001-06-13 23:25 -0700
> > Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to
> >imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there for the
> >first time.
> > And it strikes me...where's the distro? IMO, front¢er
> >links to
Scott C. Best, 2001-06-13 23:25 -0700
> Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to
>imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there for the
>first time.
> And it strikes me...where's the distro? IMO, front¢er
>links to both ES2B and Oxygen be a would be a great help. Sur
Steven:
Good point, I shouldn't be so dark. :)
Lets release Son of Eigerstein officially this week.
It's in great shape, arguably better than any other LRP
distro you could download...
-Scott
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Steven Peck wrote:
> Geez Scott,
>
> Do you have to concentrate
Geez Scott,
Do you have to concentrate on the negatives? :) j/k
That was actually why I was hesitant about advertising until we got some
focus on what directions LEAF is going in. I hope it continues to travel in
a varity of directions, but some helpfully prominent sign posts to direct
fols a
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