Re: [LU] What part?
Not really. I can't accept anything apart from winning. Anything apart from promotion is a failure. Not realistic or objective? Right. But which objective realistic person would love and support Leeds United over 63 years? I wish that I could be like you. Michael. Sent from my iPhone Dr Michael Benjamin Community Psychiatry On 23 Feb 2011, at 08:03, Alec McQueen alec...@gmail.com wrote: Mike You're havin' a larf, aren't you? We are having a bloody marvellous season. If anyone's expectations were higher than this, I think you were being a tad optimistic. Cheers Alec On 23 February 2011 16:00, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote: What part of 'sort the fucking defence' is hard to follow? Another ' we could have, but didn't ' season? Looks like it. Typical Leeds United. Failing or making any success a bloody soap opera of self inflicted drama. Pissed off. Michael Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com http://www.myray.com/ -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com http://www.mydoctorexplains.com/ Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/http://www.mydoctorexplains.com/alamo/ Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com http://www.drmichaelbenjamin.com/ ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER -- Alec McQueen 0418 328967 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Cup money
So the question is what happened to Leeds 's money? Grayson said that a signing is imminent - who knows ? Some Barnsley thoughts when I get time today but don't get to thinking the goals last night were the back fours fault ! Sent from my iPhone On 23 Feb 2011, at 01:14, Rick Duniec ri...@ntlworld.com wrote: Sorry to interrupt the beer nostalgia but I thought that this might help the original questions - The Guardian says - Now Digger can reveal just how valuable the Frenchman's equaliser is expected to be for Leyton Orient. Arsenal turn over £3m for every home game and under the terms of the FA Cup revenue-sharing agreement Orient will be due 42.5% of the net gate receipts that the Emirates Stadium replay generates. Although the Gunners have yet to announce ticket prices for the 2 March match, the profit is expected to be in the region of £1.6m, raising £700,000 for the League One club. If the match is televised, it will make close to £1m for Barry Hearn's club - not bad for one game, considering Orient's total turnover of £3.3m in the 2008-9 season. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Cup money
Some Barnsley thoughts when I get time today but don't get to thinking the goals last night were the back fours fault ! Let me guess.Becchio Johnson were to blame? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Cup money
Ken Bates Saviour of Leeds United, remember where you heard it first ! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Cup money
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:14:19 - From: Rick Duniec ri...@ntlworld.com To: Leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] Cup money Sorry to interrupt the beer nostalgia but I thought that this might help the original questions - The Guardian says - Now Digger can reveal just how valuable the Frenchman's equaliser is expected to be for Leyton Orient. Arsenal turn over ?3m for every home game and under the terms of the FA Cup revenue-sharing agreement Orient will be due 42.5% of the net gate receipts that the Emirates Stadium replay generates. Although the Gunners have yet to announce ticket prices for the 2 March match, the profit is expected to be in the region of ?1.6m, raising ?700,000 for the League One club. If the match is televised, it will make close to ?1m for Barry Hearn's club - not bad for one game, considering Orient's total turnover of ?3.3m in the 2008-9 season. So if the share of the gate receipts is 42.5%, and not 25% as I thought, than that means that having played at Old Trafford, Emirates, and WHL over the last two seasons that would be over GBP2 million from those three games alone - not including the bonus home ties, or the telly appearance money (which used to be about GBP250k per FA Cup game). Which does make you wonder where all that money has gone? Thanks to those for the stats on mid week vs weekend games (depressing as they are). Anyone want to do an analysis of local derbies over the last season or two to see if we don't usually perform in those games either? Btw, the Rising Sun is now a second hand furniture shop. DRB ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Cup money
What gets me is the 1,6M GBP -profit- from a match with 3M GBP gate receipts (I paraphrase). How come it costs 1.4M GBP to stage a football match? Damian On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:50 AM, David Brennan d.r.bren...@leeds.ac.ukwrote: So if the share of the gate receipts is 42.5%, and not 25% as I thought, than that means that having played at Old Trafford, Emirates, and WHL over the last two seasons that would be over GBP2 million from those three games alone - not including the bonus home ties, or the telly appearance money (which used to be about GBP250k per FA Cup game). Which does make you wonder where all that money has gone? DRB ___ ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Barnsley report
Once again we score 3 at home and fail to win (Pompey / Preston) and we do now go into games thinking that we need at least 2 goals to have a chance of winning. Yes it is not to everyones taste, but me I am loving it (on one level). Not sure who Rich is going to blame for the goals but for me they happened as follows. 1st one - they came out of the traps like demons and caught us a bit off guard, a great low free kick that curved behind the defence was met by one of theirs and scrambled in - McCartney had a bit of a swing and maybe shinned it a bit and O'Brien had half a chance to clear it, but in fairness it was one of those very hard to defend freekicks when any touch by any player on either side was likely to end up in the net. The second the right side of our team went AWOL - Eric was nowhere and Snoddy miles the wrong side of the man when the ball was played across field and into the path of their left winger in acres of space and he took it well - poor defending. The 3rd , Watt gave away a bit of a needless free kick, Howson had just failed to foul the player who was running sideways just outside our box and the free kick was almost central just outside the D. Kasper did not take up the right position,Kilkenny moved out of the way of the ball, he was at the edge of the wall, and Kasper did not move as a weak free kick beat him. So two soft goals really out of the three. Going forward we were again excellent. Having conceded early on and with them running around like men possessed we slowly started to keep the ball and take over control of the game, Max had a header that hit woodwork, Becchio missed a reasonable chance on the turn and we threatened a few times, then a long cross from Kilkenny, keeper came and flapped at it and missed leaving an empty net for Becchio who leapt well and nodded it home. Later on Max was through and was just goal side of the defender and went over - ref gave a penalty . I was uncertain and around me it was about 70% to 30% that it was NOT a penalty.Having said that once the ref had given it , it should have been a red for stopping a goal scoring opportunity and not the yellow that was given. So 2 1 at half time and we felt that there could only be one winner - a freekick from Max had also hit the keeper then the bar then back onto the keeper and wide. During this half the largely ineffective Johnson who hit the bar from a yard out, tested the refs patience with a string of fouls that ended up with a well deserved yellow. Second half we were still the better team although did equalise and then Johnson got sent off - it looked a nothing foul from where I stand, when he committed it no-one thought that's it he's off, but the ref was a lot closer and off went Bradley, at least one gobby lad behind me suggested he should keep on going and never come back !! A bit later SG made the changes with Watt and Somma coming on, as expected off went Becchio, more of a surpise was that it was Snoddy (who had been quiet) and not Kilkenny who joined him. SG appeared to have got it right when Max burst into the area past 2 players and curled a beauty into the net. Surely that would be enough but it was not to be. Another 2 points dropped but with Leicester losing and Forest and Norwich both drawing what looked to be easy games for them the damage is minimal. I appeared to be in a minority leaving the ground who thought that once again, it had been great to watch, and while poor defensive teams never win things, I much prefer a 3 3 draw to a 0 0 one, and that since I am well happy with being in the play off positions, this attcking football is great and much better than the lets try for a nil nil and hope to nick one. Yes, at some stage if we want to go up we will need to tighten up the defence at the expense of our attacking outlook , but for me, enjoy it while it lasts. One last word in praise of Max. When we got him I thought he would be a Vince Hilaire type, great on his day but that day would be one game in four or five, but Max seems to do it pretty much evey week and his workrate is second to none Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Barnsley
quickly catching up the goal machine that is Luciano Becchio. 12 in 28 for Gradel and 15 in 32 for Becchio. Makes the strikers scoring rate look a bit ordinary really No Rich, it doesn't. Get your facts right please! Asides from your deep hatred of the man and ignoring his qualities/weaknesses for now, that is EXACTLY the scoring record you expect for a striker at whatever level they are playing at. For example: Alan Sherer - Played 559 Scored 283 Ian Rush- Played 601 Scored 254 Allan Clarke - Played 273 for Leeds - Scored 110 Steve Bull - Played 484 Scored 254 Lee Chapman (At Leeds) - Played 137 Scored 62 I could go on Richy, but I've a life to lead!! ;-) A goal every other game is a good record at any level. I've played up front and I can guarantee you every single striker worth his salt WANTS to score every game. They don't. FACT. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Barnsley
Tim, You're quoting career stats at the highest level. Becchio for Leeds: 52 in 138 - so it's nearer 1 in 3 than 1 in 2 and also this has been at lower levels. and if we're taking his career as a whole , before Leeds (according to Wiki) was 38 goals in 129 , that's playing for lower league foreign clubs. Not exactly impressive is it ? What I'm saying is his goal record is ok but his general play is poor so my conclusion is we can have a striker whose goal ratio is much better and also offers a lot more to our game. I mean, take Somma, he has nearly scored as many this season and he's hardly been on the pitch. You can defend Beccio all you want but do you enjoy watching him play ? I find it painful to watch him. He needs replacing. - Original Message From: Tim Leslie t...@3leafieldvillas.co.uk To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wed, 23 February, 2011 12:45:07 Subject: Re: [LU] Barnsley quickly catching up the goal machine that is Luciano Becchio. 12 in 28 for Gradel and 15 in 32 for Becchio. Makes the strikers scoring rate look a bit ordinary really No Rich, it doesn't. Get your facts right please! Asides from your deep hatred of the man and ignoring his qualities/weaknesses for now, that is EXACTLY the scoring record you expect for a striker at whatever level they are playing at. For example: Alan Sherer - Played 559 Scored 283 Ian Rush - Played 601 Scored 254 Allan Clarke - Played 273 for Leeds - Scored 110 Steve Bull - Played 484 Scored 254 Lee Chapman (At Leeds) - Played 137 Scored 62 I could go on Richy, but I've a life to lead!! ;-) A goal every other game is a good record at any level. I've played up front and I can guarantee you every single striker worth his salt WANTS to score every game. They don't. FACT. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] What part?
So, we've probably escaped relegation. Most of us would have taken that at the start of the season. I would! But now we're being tempted with a play off place or even at a push, automatic promotion, the defence bugs me too. It's so frustrating! Is that it then? We've done well, stayed up, might as well head off for Summer hols and wait for next season? If I was paid to score goals for LU and I was doing that week in week out, I'd be pretty hacked off if my saddo defenders were letting them in at the other end.week in week out. It may be a team effort after all, but all players do have a basic role to play and our defenders appear to fail a lot of the time. I'm getting a bit tired of Grayson saying something like It's individual mistakes that's costing us like a broken record..week in week out. Come on then Grayson, do something about these Individual mistakes so you won't have to be saying it all again after the next match that we draw 5-5, 6-6 or whatever. Aren't we the division's or even football league's highest scorers and highest conceders. That's why our GD is so rubbish. Must be great to watch for the neutral though. This Barnsley game I did not see but it made me think that if we draw this 3-3 at home then if we fail the play offs by a couple of points, then it's games exactly like this that we have to look back on in anguish. MOT I supposebut the defence. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] What part?
I dont think any of us can grasp this league. We are expecting it to be black and white and logical. We expect all eleven to play well all the time and not make mistakes! Its logical 6th place unbeaten in a while versus little club mid table Barnsley. These are 2nd/3rd division players, they dont do it week in week out otherwise they would be in the prem. We can look back on blowing late points v pompey Leicester and of course preston and get frustrated but look at everyone else. They arent much better. I went to QPR last night, Ipswich were the better team for 65 mins and they are having a crap season and QPR are runaway leaders, 2 quick goals and its all over for them, 2 silly errors in a game they deserved to at least draw. Unstoppable Forest drawing with Preston, unstoppable Leicester losing too! Its not logical. In terms of money who has spent loads? No one really apart from Cardiff paying players they cant afford, Leicester have invested a few quid as have QPR. Bates arguments aside should we be spending £10m on players to go up? From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Sutton / Smail Sent: 23 February 2011 13:44 To: beden...@gmail.com Cc: Leeds List (Post to list) Subject: Re: [LU] What part? So, we've probably escaped relegation. Most of us would have taken that at the start of the season. I would! But now we're being tempted with a play off place or even at a push, automatic promotion, the defence bugs me too. It's so frustrating! Is that it then? We've done well, stayed up, might as well head off for Summer hols and wait for next season? If I was paid to score goals for LU and I was doing that week in week out, I'd be pretty hacked off if my saddo defenders were letting them in at the other end.week in week out. It may be a team effort after all, but all players do have a basic role to play and our defenders appear to fail a lot of the time. I'm getting a bit tired of Grayson saying something like It's individual mistakes that's costing us like a broken record..week in week out. Come on then Grayson, do something about these Individual mistakes so you won't have to be saying it all again after the next match that we draw 5-5, 6-6 or whatever. Aren't we the division's or even football league's highest scorers and highest conceders. That's why our GD is so rubbish. Must be great to watch for the neutral though. This Barnsley game I did not see but it made me think that if we draw this 3-3 at home then if we fail the play offs by a couple of points, then it's games exactly like this that we have to look back on in anguish. MOT I supposebut the defence. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3462 - Release Date: 02/23/11 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] What part?
Didn't we just get promoted last season? Are we not 6th in our first season back in the Championship only 5 points from second? This has been an excellent season. From: Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com To: LEEDSLIST leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 12:00:12 AM Subject: [LU] What part? What part of 'sort the fucking defence' is hard to follow? Another ' we could have, but didn't ' season? Looks like it. Typical Leeds United. Failing or making any success a bloody soap opera of self inflicted drama. Pissed off. Michael Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] What part?
It has been an excellent season. And I'm sure that at the start of it, everyone on here would have been delighted if offered 6th place at this stage. But by now we've all realised that in actual fact there aren't many (if any) teams in this division that are significantly better than us. So why shouldn't we be allowed to re-assess our expectations? At the start of the season I would have been happy with just avoiding relegation, but now I'll be disappointed if we don't make the play-offs. I don't expect we'll go up, and we probably wouldn't last up there anyway (I can't see Ken splashing the cash needed to do the required rebuild), but I still hope we do! Nigel Didn't we just get promoted last season? Are we not 6th in our first season back in the Championship only 5 points from second? This has been an excellent season. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] What part?
On 23/02/2011 14:04, Matt Anderson wrote: Bates arguments aside should we be spending £10m on players to go up? I raised this issue after the Norwich match. Like Norwich we are described as building a team. I'd like to think that we were and that the game plan was to have that team constructed, if not over one season definitely over two seasons, in order to be promoted and then retain Premiership status with the correct buying policy on achieving that status. Howard Wilkinson was in a different footballing world when he took Leeds out of the second division in 1990 but his buying strategy was astute. He had the correct players to take us out of division 2 and then supplanted some of them with the necessary players for the first division. Grayson appears not to have the luxury of Wilkinson's signings of 1989/90 and I doubt that he has the same single mindedness to instil the discipline in his team that Wilko hammered home. Compare the promotion chasing club of 1989/90 with the current set-up. I'm afraid it doesn't look good. Having said that, if we repeated our 1990 form in the run in to the end of this season we would end up with about 75 points and with only eight points separating the 7 teams below runaway leaders QPR we could just be in with a shout for automatic promotion but more likely the play-offs beckon. How many matches of the remaining 13 can we honestly expect to take maximum points from? And does Grayson have the strength of character to lead the team on to taking those points? With QPR Swansea, Forest and Watford all still to come, forgive me if I am sceptical. Win those four games and I'd say we are capable of the second promotion spot. The problem is we are also quite capable of dropping points big style against the likes of Burnley, Millwall and Ipswich. There are too many imponderables about the current team and because of that it would take a very brave person to feel confident about anything other than the play-offs. And yes it isn't wrong to say that some of the blame must lie at the door of Kenneth William Bates who appears not to share the ambitions of his club's supporters for Premiership football - typified by the knowledge that the club has had a purple patch in terms of revenues in recent years but not in terms of squad improvement. There are a few players in the team who might be capable of holding their own at the higher level - Schmiechel for example) but would another season in the Championship only see those players leaving for pastures greener? It's a very frustrating time to be a Leeds United fan but then isn't it always? Betty ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] What part?
In some ways we had this in league 1. When we started to slip during the cup run it was fairly apparently that most of these players werent good enough for the championship so what motivation did they have to get over the finish line, a season of struggle, a replacement coming in??? But, quite a few have proven that wrong But never under estimate the vanity of football people Bates wants his day at Stamford Bridge, Grayson wont want to be a nearly man, we are still the biggest club outside the premier league and while this season is a gimme next season isnt! Many of the players think they are prem standard, the media seem to agree, Becchio to Celtic, Kasper to Liverpool, Bradley Johnson to half a dozen no mark lower prom clubs, it wont be long before the Somma to Stoke or someone rumours start. I was p1ssed off last night but we are 6th, 5 points off 2nd, the clubs around us are dropping points at random. Im not convinced that we have to get out of this league this year, I can see West Ham having a relegation hangover and Wigan and Wolves the other 2 most likely hold no fear even with £50m. Look how Hull and Burnley have struggled to adjust. Relax and enjoy this season and see where it leads, top 8 is good anything better is fantastic! From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Dr Michael Benjamin Sent: 23 February 2011 17:11 To: barbaravi...@gmail.com Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] What part? Lets stir the shit a bit:- Just how much motivation is there to go up? Bates: Would get the opportunity to sell of the club. But To do so he has to open up the whole can of worms about ownership and face a possible criminal investigation. To go up and not sell means either investing in new players or facing a lot of questions about why he has not done so. In short why should he? He is sat on a nice flow of cash. No real problems. In short maybe Bates is better off as we are. Grayson: Would get the opportunity to prove himself. But on the other hand if a new buyer came in just what guarantees does he have of staying? None. If buyer doesn't arrive he, SG, will be open conflict with Bates about buying new players. Also SG will be the steward of a probable relegated team. We all know that means the sack. So there are scenarios where SG maybe not to keen to get promoted. Not with KB. Before anyone starts lambasting me I'll make three points: 1. The Watford play off final. 2. The nature of our uncle Ken and his past antics. 3. I said that this is one scenario -- there are many others. But only in Leeds could you describe this scenario at all -- unlikely as it may be [ or so I hope!] Michael Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com On 23 February 2011 18:36, barbaravi...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/02/2011 14:04, Matt Anderson wrote: Bates arguments aside should we be spending £10m on players to go up? I raised this issue after the Norwich match. Like Norwich we are described as building a team. I'd like to think that we were and that the game plan was to have that team constructed, if not over one season definitely over two seasons, in order to be promoted and then retain Premiership status with the correct buying policy on achieving that status. Howard Wilkinson was in a different footballing world when he took Leeds out of the second division in 1990 but his buying strategy was astute. He had the correct players to take us out of division 2 and then supplanted some of them with the necessary players for the first division. Grayson appears not to have the luxury of Wilkinson's signings of 1989/90 and I doubt that he has the same single mindedness to instil the discipline in his team that Wilko hammered home. Compare the promotion chasing club of 1989/90 with the current set-up. I'm afraid it doesn't look good. Having said that, if we repeated our 1990 form in the run in to the end of this season we would end up with about 75 points and with only eight points separating the 7 teams below runaway leaders QPR we could just be in with a shout for automatic promotion but more likely the play-offs beckon. How many matches of the remaining 13 can we honestly expect to take maximum points from? And does Grayson have the strength of character to lead the team on to taking those points? With QPR Swansea, Forest and Watford all still to come, forgive me if I am sceptical. Win those four games and I'd say we are capable of the second promotion spot. The problem is we are also quite capable of dropping points big style against
Re: [LU] the passion of Leeds United
I agree Matt, no one ever listens to me anyway so i rarely post, i've only been here a few years and only supported since 1971 so what do i know? We all moaned last year but got promoted, we hoped for mid table this year and have over achieved in that sense. I haven't been able to travel this year (Oman is a bugger of a flight) but what I have seen on TV has shown me we have a group of mostly average players who will do quite well in this league with a few stand outs. If we stay down we will lose Kasper and Snoddy, I'd like to keep Watt and Max and Kilkenny. I wish Kisnorbo was back too it would help imo. I love the general banter here as depressing as it is most days but i am pleased that at least we won't go down this year. We have done well, we could have done better and there will still be ups and downs. I am in touch with mates all over the world regularly and thanks to listers here i get to at least hear the radio commentary and sometimes dodgy TV - long may this miserable bunch of moaning buggers carry on their opinions on a daily basis - it does amuse me. For the record and I hate to agree Becchio is crap but he scores goals - eventually. Somma should start more often. Kasper has been our saviour more times this season than any other keeper for us in a long time. I love being a Leeds fan, gives me an excuse for the tourettes I develop when I listen to the games.. MOT. Andy Pyzer From: m...@leeds-united.net To: m...@myray.com; barbaravi...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:41:14 + CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] What part? In some ways we had this in league 1. When we started to slip during the cup run it was fairly apparently that most of these players weren’t good enough for the championship so what motivation did they have to get over the finish line, a season of struggle, a replacement coming in??? But, quite a few have proven that wrong But never under estimate the vanity of football people Bates wants his day at Stamford Bridge, Grayson won’t want to be a nearly man, we are still the biggest club outside the premier league and while this season is a gimme next season isn’t! Many of the players think they are prem standard, the media seem to agree, Becchio to Celtic, Kasper to Liverpool, Bradley Johnson to half a dozen no mark lower prom clubs, it won’t be long before the Somma to Stoke or someone rumours start. I was p1ssed off last night but we are 6th, 5 points off 2nd, the clubs around us are dropping points at random. I’m not convinced that we have to get out of this league this year, I can see West Ham having a relegation hangover and Wigan and Wolves the other 2 most likely hold no fear even with £50m. Look how Hull and Burnley have struggled to adjust. Relax and enjoy this season and see where it leads, top 8 is good anything better is fantastic! From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Dr Michael Benjamin Sent: 23 February 2011 17:11 To: barbaravi...@gmail.com Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] What part? Lets stir the shit a bit:- Just how much motivation is there to go up? Bates: Would get the opportunity to sell of the club. But To do so he has to open up the whole can of worms about ownership and face a possible criminal investigation. To go up and not sell means either investing in new players or facing a lot of questions about why he has not done so. In short why should he? He is sat on a nice flow of cash. No real problems. In short maybe Bates is better off as we are. Grayson: Would get the opportunity to prove himself. But on the other hand if a new buyer came in just what guarantees does he have of staying? None. If buyer doesn't arrive he, SG, will be open conflict with Bates about buying new players. Also SG will be the steward of a probable relegated team. We all know that means the sack. So there are scenarios where SG maybe not to keen to get promoted. Not with KB. Before anyone starts lambasting me I'll make three points: 1. The Watford play off final. 2. The nature of our uncle Ken and his past antics. 3. I said that this is one scenario -- there are many others. But only in Leeds could you describe this scenario at all -- unlikely as it may be [ or so I hope!] Michael Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com On 23 February 2011 18:36, barbaravi...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/02/2011 14:04, Matt Anderson wrote: Bates arguments aside should we be spending £10m on players to go
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Re: [LU] the passion of Leeds United
Posting of the month! On 23 Feb 2011 21:04, Andy Pyzer andypy...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree Matt, no one ever listens to me anyway so i rarely post, i've only been here a few years and only supported since 1971 so what do i know? We all moaned last year but got promoted, we hoped for mid table this year and have over achieved in that sense. I haven't been able to travel this year (Oman is a bugger of a flight) but what I have seen on TV has shown me we have a group of mostly average players who will do quite well in this league with a few stand outs. If we stay down we will lose Kasper and Snoddy, I'd like to keep Watt and Max and Kilkenny. I wish Kisnorbo was back too it would help imo. I love the general banter here as depressing as it is most days but i am pleased that at least we won't go down this year. We have done well, we could have done better and there will still be ups and downs. I am in touch with mates all over the world regularly and thanks to listers here i get to at least hear the radio commentary and sometimes dodgy TV - long may this miserable bunch of moaning buggers carry on their opinions on a daily basis - it does amuse me. For the record and I hate to agree Becchio is crap but he scores goals - eventually. Somma should start more often. Kasper has been our saviour more times this season than any other keeper for us in a long time. I love being a Leeds fan, gives me an excuse for the tourettes I develop when I listen to the games.. MOT. Andy Pyzer From: m...@leeds-united.net To: m...@myray.com; barbaravi...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:41:14 + CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] What part? In some ways we had this in league 1. When we started to slip during the cup run it was fairly apparently that most of these players weren’t good enough for the championship so what motivation did they have to get over the finish line, a season of struggle, a replacement coming in??? But, quite a few have proven that wrong But never under estimate the vanity of football people Bates wants his day at Stamford Bridge, Grayson won’t want to be a nearly man, we are still the biggest club outside the premier league and while this season is a gimme next season isn’t! Many of the players think they are prem standard, the media seem to agree, Becchio to Celtic, Kasper to Liverpool, Bradley Johnson to half a dozen no mark lower prom clubs, it won’t be long before the Somma to Stoke or someone rumours start. I was p1ssed off last night but we are 6th, 5 points off 2nd, the clubs around us are dropping points at random. I’m not convinced that we have to get out of this league this year, I can see West Ham having a relegation hangover and Wigan and Wolves the other 2 most likely hold no fear even with £50m. Look how Hull and Burnley have struggled to adjust. Relax and enjoy this season and see where it leads, top 8 is good anything better is fantastic! From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Dr Michael Benjamin Sent: 23 February 2011 17:11 To: barbaravi...@gmail.com Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] What part? Lets stir the shit a bit:- Just how much motivation is there to go up? Bates: Would get the opportunity to sell of the club. But To do so he has to open up the whole can of worms about ownership and face a possible criminal investigation. To go up and not sell means either investing in new players or facing a lot of questions about why he has not done so. In short why should he? He is sat on a nice flow of cash. No real problems. In short maybe Bates is better off as we are. Grayson: Would get the opportunity to prove himself. But on the other hand if a new buyer came in just what guarantees does he have of staying? None. If buyer doesn't arrive he, SG, will be open conflict with Bates about buying new players. Also SG will be the steward of a probable relegated team. We all know that means the sack. So there are scenarios where SG maybe not to keen to get promoted. Not with KB. Before anyone starts lambasting me I'll make three points: 1. The Watford play off final. 2. The nature of our uncle Ken and his past antics. 3. I said that this is one scenario -- there are many others. But only in Leeds could you describe this scenario at all -- unlikely as it may be [ or so I hope!] Michael Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com On 23 February 2011 18:36, barbaravi...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/02/2011 14:04, Matt Anderson wrote: Bates arguments aside should we be
Re: [LU] the passion of Leeds United
John, please remember to edit your posts before you reply or else you'll have that Betty Lass after you ;-) Andy C On 23 Feb 2011, at 21:44, John Boocock barbaravi...@gmail.com wrote: Posting of the month! On 23 Feb 2011 21:04, Andy Pyzer andypy...@hotmail.com wrote: ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] the passion of Leeds United
I agree with Andy. Sent from my iPhone On 23 Feb 2011, at 22:02, Andy Clayton andyclayto...@gmail.com wrote: John, please remember to edit your posts before you reply or else you'll have that Betty Lass after you ;-) Andy C On 23 Feb 2011, at 21:44, John Boocock barbaravi...@gmail.com wrote: Posting of the month! On 23 Feb 2011 21:04, Andy Pyzer andypy...@hotmail.com wrote: ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] What part?
Yes, you're right. There is no rhyme nor reason governing who can beat who - look at Blackpool last night beating Spursas Ian Holloway points out - Does this make us a better team than AC Milan? Of course not! But who knows on a one to one one off? So, no patterns then, Norwich, Leeds and Forest for example all dropping points together last night. The point is different at LU. There IS a pattern, a well trodden one. We keep scoring goals, but can't defend them.pattern points to defence. Stop conceding as many as we score and we win every game. Simples. Well, perhaps not quite, but you get my drift? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] the passion of Leeds United
I agree ;-) Oman is a bugger of a flight Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: John Boocock barbaravi...@gmail.com Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:44:44 To: Andy Pyzerandypy...@hotmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.orgleedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] the passion of Leeds United Posting of the month! On 23 Feb 2011 21:04, Andy Pyzer andypy...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree Matt, no one ever listens to me anyway so i rarely post, i've only been here a few years and only supported since 1971 so what do i know? We all moaned last year but got promoted, we hoped for mid table this year and have over achieved in that sense. I haven't been able to travel this year (Oman is a bugger of a flight) but what I have seen on TV has shown me we have a group of mostly average players who will do quite well in this league with a few stand outs. If we stay down we will lose Kasper and Snoddy, I'd like to keep Watt and Max and Kilkenny. I wish Kisnorbo was back too it would help imo. I love the general banter here as depressing as it is most days but i am pleased that at least we won't go down this year. We have done well, we could have done better and there will still be ups and downs. I am in touch with mates all over the world regularly and thanks to listers here i get to at least hear the radio commentary and sometimes dodgy TV - long may this miserable bunch of moaning buggers carry on their opinions on a daily basis - it does amuse me. For the record and I hate to agree Becchio is crap but he scores goals - eventually. Somma should start more often. Kasper has been our saviour more times this season than any other keeper for us in a long time. I love being a Leeds fan, gives me an excuse for the tourettes I develop when I listen to the games.. MOT. Andy Pyzer From: m...@leeds-united.net To: m...@myray.com; barbaravi...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:41:14 + CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] What part? In some ways we had this in league 1. When we started to slip during the cup run it was fairly apparently that most of these players weren’t good enough for the championship so what motivation did they have to get over the finish line, a season of struggle, a replacement coming in??? But, quite a few have proven that wrong But never under estimate the vanity of football people Bates wants his day at Stamford Bridge, Grayson won’t want to be a nearly man, we are still the biggest club outside the premier league and while this season is a gimme next season isn’t! Many of the players think they are prem standard, the media seem to agree, Becchio to Celtic, Kasper to Liverpool, Bradley Johnson to half a dozen no mark lower prom clubs, it won’t be long before the Somma to Stoke or someone rumours start. I was p1ssed off last night but we are 6th, 5 points off 2nd, the clubs around us are dropping points at random. I’m not convinced that we have to get out of this league this year, I can see West Ham having a relegation hangover and Wigan and Wolves the other 2 most likely hold no fear even with £50m. Look how Hull and Burnley have struggled to adjust. Relax and enjoy this season and see where it leads, top 8 is good anything better is fantastic! From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Dr Michael Benjamin Sent: 23 February 2011 17:11 To: barbaravi...@gmail.com Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] What part? Lets stir the shit a bit:- Just how much motivation is there to go up? Bates: Would get the opportunity to sell of the club. But To do so he has to open up the whole can of worms about ownership and face a possible criminal investigation. To go up and not sell means either investing in new players or facing a lot of questions about why he has not done so. In short why should he? He is sat on a nice flow of cash. No real problems. In short maybe Bates is better off as we are. Grayson: Would get the opportunity to prove himself. But on the other hand if a new buyer came in just what guarantees does he have of staying? None. If buyer doesn't arrive he, SG, will be open conflict with Bates about buying new players. Also SG will be the steward of a probable relegated team. We all know that means the sack. So there are scenarios where SG maybe not to keen to get promoted. Not with KB. Before anyone starts lambasting me I'll make three points: 1. The Watford play off final. 2. The nature of our uncle Ken and his past antics. 3. I said that this is one scenario -- there are many others. But only in Leeds could you describe this scenario at all -- unlikely as it may be [ or so I hope!] Michael Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com -- Mental Health:
