Re: [LU] [NON-LU] Boring Legal guff was Good omen?
Constitutions protect lawyers and politicians. Common sense protects us all. Sent from my iPad Dr. Michael Benjamin Community Psychiatrist On May 4, 2011, at 12:47 AM, Simon Austin simon...@auzsoft.net wrote: On 03/05/2011 23:05, Ian Murray wrote: We need a constitution that protects everyone equally and binds the state and the individual. Who could argue with the principles of the US constitution? I'd probably quibble over the bits allowing slavery... - Si ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] F**k me we now have a 'new' owner
Perhaps he spoke to Patrick Murrin or Peter Boatman? Or perhaps he's senile as suspected and talked to himself. On 3 May 2011, at 19:12, Rick Duniec ri...@ntlworld.com wrote: I think that Ken deserves the Sherlock Holmes award for managing to track down the owners (he didn't know who they were you know) so that he could pay them for the club. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] QPR
And Luton were docked 10 points for paying money to an unlicensed agent... There's a lot of precedent and reports are that the FA have already contacted clubs in and around the playoffs should a points deduction mean the playof dates change (no idea why they would change though?) On 04/05/2011, Simon Austin simon...@auzsoft.net wrote: They signed a player, Alejandro Faurlin, but someone else owned some of his economic rights (whatever they are), and they didn't tell the FA about it until they wanted to buy them back, which is against the rules that were brought in after Tevez fuss. They also may have paid money to an unlicensed agent, and may have tried to hide the third party situation when Faurlin signed a contract extension. This all makes Faurlin ineligible for some of his time at QPR, and playing ineligible players usually means a points deductions (Torquay and Hereford both lost points this season for doing it in 1 game, supposedly by accident) and Faurlin has played at least 80 games since he was signed. - Si On 04/05/2011 00:08, Dr. Michael Benjamin wrote: Just what have they supposed to have done? Why is it so awful? Why the waiting till now? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
[LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
Cool, so you are all for the coalition in their attempts to reduce the structural deficit asap I take it? Just curious like -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Ian Murray Sent: 03 May 2011 22:52 To: Joe Skinner Cc: LEEDSLIST Subject: Re: [LU] Good omen? It hurts when you lance a boil, and a boil doesn't kill you, but we all know that in the long term you're better off having lanced it. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [NON-LU] Boring Legal guff was Good omen?
But who else will polish the silver in this republican utopia.. duh! :-) -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Simon Austin Sent: 04 May 2011 00:48 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] [NON-LU] Boring Legal guff was Good omen? On 03/05/2011 23:05, Ian Murray wrote: We need a constitution that protects everyone equally and binds the state and the individual. Who could argue with the principles of the US constitution? I'd probably quibble over the bits allowing slavery... - Si ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] QPR
Playoff dates will change as there will be a legal challenge from QPR if they are docked enough points to put them in the playoffs (or worse) rather than automatic promotion. On 4 May 2011 07:40, Lee Jones em...@leedjones.co.uk wrote: And Luton were docked 10 points for paying money to an unlicensed agent... There's a lot of precedent and reports are that the FA have already contacted clubs in and around the playoffs should a points deduction mean the playof dates change (no idea why they would change though?) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] taking the devil's shilling (was Archive time: The Leeds List Glossary)
And is it only Scum sponsors that cause us to think that way? What about companies who sponsor Spurs, Liverpool, Sheffield United etc. Since Northern Rock is owned by the government and they sponsor Newcastle, I have stopped paying any British income tax. (I am not sure the campaign has been hugely influential, however, since I have been an expat for over 30 years!) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] taking the devil's shilling (was Archive time: The Leeds ListGlossary)
It is well known hereabouts of my one man campaign to stop the life of the mirror. Like the US searching for Osama, I will persevere and get there in the end. Good on yer Steve. I love one-man boycott campaigns. A long time ago, my wife went into the bakery in our village (Robin Hood's Bay) wearing a sweatshirt denouncing people who wear fur coats. The owner made some cretinous remark about how fur coats are beautiful garments..so we began a boycott of the shop. For years, we denied ourselves the beautiful pastries, coffees and ice cream they purveyed, but it was all worth it, because eventually the owners sold up and moved to Canada. (Admittedly, they were millionaires by then, but still..) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] QPR
Do we really think that the league will do anything other than fudge it? Can anyone realistically conceive of a situation whereby Leeds United will benefit from anything? They'll probably find some way of docking us 5 points! Sent from my iPhone On 4 May 2011, at 08:20, Jim Moran j...@jimmoran.co.uk wrote: Playoff dates will change as there will be a legal challenge from QPR if they are docked enough points to put them in the playoffs (or worse) rather than automatic promotion. On 4 May 2011 07:40, Lee Jones em...@leedjones.co.uk wrote: And Luton were docked 10 points for paying money to an unlicensed agent... There's a lot of precedent and reports are that the FA have already contacted clubs in and around the playoffs should a points deduction mean the playof dates change (no idea why they would change though?) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
No because I don't think that the coalitions's plans are economically sound, like. They are ideologically driven, like, and have stifled the recovery to the extent that net growth in our economy over the last 6 months has been 0.0%. Deficit reduction is one thing, slash and burn quite another. In my view. I Sent from my iPhone On 4 May 2011, at 07:48, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Cool, so you are all for the coalition in their attempts to reduce the structural deficit asap I take it? Just curious like -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Ian Murray Sent: 03 May 2011 22:52 To: Joe Skinner Cc: LEEDSLIST Subject: Re: [LU] Good omen? It hurts when you lance a boil, and a boil doesn't kill you, but we all know that in the long term you're better off having lanced it. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
And Labour's plan to reduce the deficit wouldn't be called slash and burn? How different was their plan? But anyway, your analogy about lancing the boil fits very well with the structural deficit plans over 4, not 5 years. One could argue that Labours idea to delay the slash and burn by 1 year before the general election was politically driven, but the fact remains all 3 major parties were committed to major spending cuts before the election, the only difference was the timing of and depth of the initial cuts. I don't blame you for your selective memory on this, Milliband suffers the same :-) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
[LU] NONLU - Ed Morrish DO NOT READ THIS
Hi, any of the diaspora managed to get iplayer and bbc services abroad - if so any simple instructions appreciated - my bro has finally been connected to t'internet (merci mr sarkozy) and has 6 years of TV to catch up on. ttfn Richard ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
But anyway, your analogy about lancing the boil fits very well with the structural deficit plans over 4, not 5 years. SNIP only difference was the timing of and depth of the initial cuts. trouble is the major cuts aren't really major - despite the real pain that will be caused to many particularly the poorest, the actual decrease in spending will end up in single percentage points as much of spending is guaranteed or ring fenced. Real problem is we all are living longer, working less, expect bigger pensions and don't want to pay realistic tax. communism, capitalism, fascism all nasty things but as idea's pale into insignificance with the concept of the Final Salary Pension Jesus what drugs were we taking when we thought that was a sustainable idea! I am afraid euthanasia is the only answer to our problems.. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
Since this long political thread has come round to the subject of The Cuts, perhaps I could link it back to the original issue. I understood that the good old generous Royals footed the bill for the so-called wedding, and all the rest of us had to do was stump up the paltry 20 million quid for security. But my question is: in a time when the defence chiefs are screaming about how cuts are decimating our defence capability, when we are decomissioning aircraft carriers and cancelling fighter jet programmes (all things I agree with, BTW, but that is not relevant), what are we doing paying for all these squaddies to be prancing about on horsesand paying for RAF jets to do flypasts? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
[LU] Why now ?
- Original Message - This begs the question as to why Ken has chosen right now, this week, to make clear the ownership of LUFC. Why else would Ken rock a boat that did not need to be rocked? http://lufctrust.squarespace.com/ This explains the various aspects of the situation and also explains the issue with the solidarity payments by the PL to the FL. The issue was not necessarily postponed by failure to reach the play-off places. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
Well the 'prancing around on horses' bit is pretty self explanatory as they are called the Household Cavalry. As for the RAF Jets, most of the planes were decommisioned ones. If we are still being defended by Spitfires, Lancaster Bombers and Typhoons then we are in the sh*t if someone attacks us ala 1941 I understood that the good old generous Royals footed the bill for the so-called wedding, and all the rest of us had to do was stump up the paltry 20 million quid for security. But my question is: in a time when the defence chiefs are screaming about how cuts are decimating our defence capability, when we are decomissioning aircraft carriers and cancelling fighter jet programmes (all things I agree with, BTW, but that is not relevant), what are we doing paying for all these squaddies to be prancing about on horsesand paying for RAF jets to do flypasts? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Why now ?
Does the question Why now? really matter? The answer is the info you/we/they wanted to know. We now know the answer (I think) Like the South Park policeman Move along now, nothing to see PC2 - Original Message - From: Rick Duniec ri...@ntlworld.com To: Leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:55 PM Subject: [LU] Why now ? - Original Message - This begs the question as to why Ken has chosen right now, this week, to make clear the ownership of LUFC. Why else would Ken rock a boat that did not need to be rocked? http://lufctrust.squarespace.com/ This explains the various aspects of the situation and also explains the issue with the solidarity payments by the PL to the FL. The issue was not necessarily postponed by failure to reach the play-off places. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6092 (20110503) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
Because we're British Because we've been doing it for the last 4 or 500 years (RAF flyovers notwithstanding) Because we can Because nobody does it better I enjoyed it - Original Message - From: Robert Heath rhe...@mis-munich.de To: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen? Since this long political thread has come round to the subject of The Cuts, perhaps I could link it back to the original issue. I understood that the good old generous Royals footed the bill for the so-called wedding, and all the rest of us had to do was stump up the paltry 20 million quid for security. But my question is: in a time when the defence chiefs are screaming about how cuts are decimating our defence capability, when we are decomissioning aircraft carriers and cancelling fighter jet programmes (all things I agree with, BTW, but that is not relevant), what are we doing paying for all these squaddies to be prancing about on horsesand paying for RAF jets to do flypasts? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6092 (20110503) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] NONLU - Ed Morrish DO NOT READ THIS
My father-in-law or this geezer I once overheard in a pub (dependant upon whether Ed has pressed the delete button) lives in the charente maritime and has tried numerous proxies and either hasn't got them to work or they have been shut down sharpish. The are some vpn services that give you a connection to an english server but charge for the service. I am sure that anyone with a uk based computer services company with a server connected to the interweb could do something similar ;o) The best solution he found was to get a local to hook up a couple of Sky boxes and attach pvr's. This way avoids the 7 day availability of iplayer content. On 2011-05-04 09:46:01 + Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk wrote: Hi, any of the diaspora managed to get iplayer and bbc services abroad - if so any simple instructions appreciated - my bro has finally been connected to t'internet (merci mr sarkozy) and has 6 years of TV to catch up on. ttfn Richard ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] QPR
Do we really think that the league will do anything other than fudge it? Can anyone realistically conceive of a situation whereby Leeds United will benefit from anything? They'll probably find some way of docking us 5 points! True, but remember that the only person who gets shat on by Football administrators from a greater height than Leeds is Colin... ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Why now ?
Personally, I think he has done it because of the QPR situation. Bates ownership suddenly gives the club some moral high ground He might see that there is a chance, albeit slim, that we could overtake Forrest on goal difference and get into the play-offs. Couple this with the likely points deduction for QPR and the fact the the FA will knock on the clubs door seeking an opinion as to the situation. All of this means that the club needs to be extremely transparent and whiter than white. Or I could be way off target. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
As for the RAF Jets, most of the planes were decommisioned ones. If we are still being defended by Spitfires, Lancaster Bombers and Typhoons then we are in the sh*t if someone attacks us ala 1941 We are still very much being defended by Typhoons! It's what the RAF calls a Eurofighter. Not to be confused with the WW2 tank-buster Typhoon. Two Eurofighter Typhoons were involved in the flypast. the only surviving WW2 Typhoon is in the RAF museum at Hendon. M ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
[LU] Election Thursday - dont forget to vote
Just a reminder you have the opportunity to vote for or against the present general election voting system.(and for your local council ward members ) No point moaning on result if you don't actually vote. Also QPR -, whats the voting odds on on number of points deducted? . or could just be a fine. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
PLANE SPOTTER ALERT. PLANE SPOTTER ALERT. PLANE SPOTTER ALERT. ;-) I only saw the flypast on the news, having spent the day building a bin store and clearing out loads of rubbish. As for the RAF Jets, most of the planes were decommisioned ones. If we are still being defended by Spitfires, Lancaster Bombers and Typhoons then we are in the sh*t if someone attacks us ala 1941 We are still very much being defended by Typhoons! It's what the RAF calls a Eurofighter. Not to be confused with the WW2 tank-buster Typhoon. Two Eurofighter Typhoons were involved in the flypast. the only surviving WW2 Typhoon is in the RAF museum at Hendon. M ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
On 04/05/2011 11:50, Tim Leslie wrote: PLANE SPOTTER ALERT. PLANE SPOTTER ALERT. PLANE SPOTTER ALERT. ;-) I only saw the flypast on the news, having spent the day building a bin store Didn't work though did it? They still found him. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [NON-LU] Boring Legal guff was Good omen?
Afaik there was a bit if a row in the 1860s about slavery. Dunno, mebbes google will help? Sent from my iPhone On 4 May 2011, at 07:51, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: But who else will polish the silver in this republican utopia.. duh! :-) -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Simon Austin Sent: 04 May 2011 00:48 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] [NON-LU] Boring Legal guff was Good omen? On 03/05/2011 23:05, Ian Murray wrote: We need a constitution that protects everyone equally and binds the state and the individual. Who could argue with the principles of the US constitution? I'd probably quibble over the bits allowing slavery... - Si ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Election Thursday - dont forget to vote
If it's true that this guy has played over 80 times whilst QPR knew he was ineligible then nothing short of relegation will be enough. All the reports say QPR are bang to rights, so any punishment that leaves them with a chance of going up will be a cop out. All IMHO of course. Si. DAVID DOWDEN wrote: Also QPR -, whats the voting odds on on number of points deducted? . or could just be a fine. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
Reduce the deficit, not fill it. And as I'm sure you know, the structural deficit is not the same thing as the national debt, which is fast approaching a TRILLION pounds. In that context 1 extra bank holiday every 30 years is pissing in the wind. If only Labour had read all of John Keynes theory and not just stopped at the it is ok to spend when times are bad bit and got our cheque books out, conveniently ignoring the as long as you save when times are good bit eh :-). Then, depending what colour you are, we might not be having to make such drastic cuts in public spending, or have the excuse of the deficit/debt to make ideological cuts. Either way you look at it, it is Blair/Brown/Darling to blame, not Cameron, not Clegg, not FPTP, not the Queen and not Ken Bates. What a shitter. -Original Message- From: Ian Murray [mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com] Sent: 04 May 2011 14:00 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Robert Heath; Richard Naef; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen? Maybe we can use the cake and pop tax revenue to fill this deficit you seem so concerned about? Or no, we have to offset that against the net loss to the economy of billions caused by the extra BH. (not that I complained too much, but the points there) Sent from my iPhone ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] NONLU - Ed Morrish DO NOT READ THIS
me too works well From: Nigel Sykes ni...@sykesonline.com To: 'Richard Naef' rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [LU] NONLU - Ed Morrish DO NOT READ THIS I have used ExpatShield and it seems to work well enough... Nigel -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard Naef Sent: 04 May 2011 10:35 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] NONLU - Ed Morrish DO NOT READ THIS Hi, any of the diaspora managed to get iplayer and bbc services abroad - if so any simple instructions appreciated - my bro has finally been connected to t'internet (merci mr sarkozy) and has 6 years of TV to catch up on. ttfn Richard ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
Would have been an interesting dogfight to watch from the fens though, a typhoon vs a bf109 -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of markbu...@aol.com Sent: 04 May 2011 13:55 To: t...@3leafieldvillas.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen? PLANE SPOTTER ALERT. PLANE SPOTTER ALERT. PLANE SPOTTER ALERT. ;-) Ah, you need to get in touch with your inner anorak ;-) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
Hmm what evidence have you got that they spent any money ever or came for the wedding. Don't all tourists go to france instead because paris is warmer? Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 11:57:34 To: 'Robert Heath'rhe...@mis-munich.de; 'Richard Naef'rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen? Collecting the extra tax revenue from those idiot tourists (from UK and overseas) who came into town to watch the poncey horses and raf jet? And broadcasting rights? And extra sale of champers? And union flags? And cakes and pop for all the street parties? -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Robert Heath Sent: 04 May 2011 10:54 To: Richard Naef; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen? Since this long political thread has come round to the subject of The Cuts, perhaps I could link it back to the original issue. I understood that the good old generous Royals footed the bill for the so-called wedding, and all the rest of us had to do was stump up the paltry 20 million quid for security. But my question is: in a time when the defence chiefs are screaming about how cuts are decimating our defence capability, when we are decomissioning aircraft carriers and cancelling fighter jet programmes (all things I agree with, BTW, but that is not relevant), what are we doing paying for all these squaddies to be prancing about on horsesand paying for RAF jets to do flypasts? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] NONLU - Ed Morrish DO NOT READ THIS
If you want to watch the UK channels live I have found this site works well (have watched a couple of Leeds games on it). Is not for BBC iPlayer though. http://fbhost-tv.fr/ From: Chris Briggs c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk To: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [LU] NONLU - Ed Morrish DO NOT READ THIS My father-in-law or this geezer I once overheard in a pub (dependant upon whether Ed has pressed the delete button) lives in the charente maritime and has tried numerous proxies and either hasn't got them to work or they have been shut down sharpish. The are some vpn services that give you a connection to an english server but charge for the service. I am sure that anyone with a uk based computer services company with a server connected to the interweb could do something similar ;o) The best solution he found was to get a local to hook up a couple of Sky boxes and attach pvr's. This way avoids the 7 day availability of iplayer content. On 2011-05-04 09:46:01 + Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk wrote: Hi, any of the diaspora managed to get iplayer and bbc services abroad - if so any simple instructions appreciated - my bro has finally been connected to t'internet (merci mr sarkozy) and has 6 years of TV to catch up on. ttfn Richard ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good conspiracy theories
PLANE SPOTTER ALERT. PLANE SPOTTER ALERT. PLANE SPOTTER ALERT. ;-) I only saw the flypast on the news, having spent the day building a bin store Didn't work though did it? They still found him. Or did they? :-) Conspiracy theories rool! Quick thread; most plausable conspiracy theory ever? I'll start with us avoliding promotion against Watford because it would have bankrupt us! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
Sent from my iPhone On 4 May 2011, at 14:23, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Reduce the deficit, not fill it. Semantics, pedantics. And as I'm sure you know, the structural deficit is not the same thing as the national debt, which is fast approaching a TRILLION pounds. Yeah I know. What's your point? I like the way you capitalise the word TRILLION though, to emphasise it's hugeoscity. Are you some sort of Tory recruitment officer? This is getting to be a bit on the boring side pal. In that context 1 extra bank holiday every 30 years is pissing in the wind. Nope. I raised it in a light hearted way. I think you were serious about your pop and cake tax though. If only Labour had read all of John Keynes theory and not just stopped at the it is ok to spend when times are bad bit and got our cheque books out, conveniently ignoring the as long as you save when times are good bit eh :-). OK mate. I'll defer to your supreme knowledge of macroeconomic affairs. All I'll say is you conveniently ignore that THE ENTIRE DEVELOPED WORLD (I can learn at least one thing from you) was in recession. I don't remember the Tories jumping up and down about our underegulation of the banks 1997-2008, which ultimately caused this mess. Perhaps you can send me a link to the appropriate Hansard entries? Then, depending what colour you are, we might not be having to make such drastic cuts in public spending, or have the excuse of the deficit/debt to make ideological cuts. Either way you look at it, it is Blair/Brown/Darling to blame not Cameron, not Clegg, not FPTP, not the Queen and not Ken Bates. Nah - the lack of growth (our only hope for a sustained recovery) is Oik and Dave's fault. Ably assisted by Cleggster What a shitter. Indeed. -Original Message- From: Ian Murray. [mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com] VSent: 04 May 2011 14:00 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Robert Heath; Richard Naef; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen? Maybe we can use the cake and pop tax revenue to fill this deficit you seem so concerned about? Or no, we have to offset that against the net loss to the economy of billions caused by the extra BH. (not that I complained too much, but the points there) Sent from my iPhone ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good conspiracy theories
Christ Having just run the most dull thread known to mankind I have a good mind to answer about OBL. But not wanting to set the list on fire ( anyone wants a rant then off line), I won't . Suffice to say that my opinion of spin meisters and politicians has sunk even lower. More off line. Soon to be slinking back home. Get ready for pleas for s ticket to wembley. ( My faith knows of no bounds) Michael S Sent from my iPad Dr. Michael Benjamin Community Psychiatrist On May 4, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Tim Leslie t...@3leafieldvillas.co.uk wrote: PLANE SPOTTER ALERT. PLANE SPOTTER ALERT. PLANE SPOTTER ALERT. ;-) I only saw the flypast on the news, having spent the day building a bin store Didn't work though did it? They still found him. Or did they? :-) Conspiracy theories rool! Quick thread; most plausable conspiracy theory ever? I'll start with us avoliding promotion against Watford because it would have bankrupt us! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] NONLU - Ed Morrish DO NOT READ THIS
Did you make those acronyms up? Sent from my iPad Dr. Michael Benjamin Community Psychiatrist On May 4, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Chris Briggs c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: My father-in-law or this geezer I once overheard in a pub (dependant upon whether Ed has pressed the delete button) lives in the charente maritime and has tried numerous proxies and either hasn't got them to work or they have been shut down sharpish. The are some vpn services that give you a connection to an english server but charge for the service. I am sure that anyone with a uk based computer services company with a server connected to the interweb could do something similar ;o) The best solution he found was to get a local to hook up a couple of Sky boxes and attach pvr's. This way avoids the 7 day availability of iplayer content. On 2011-05-04 09:46:01 + Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk wrote: Hi, any of the diaspora managed to get iplayer and bbc services abroad - if so any simple instructions appreciated - my bro has finally been connected to t'internet (merci mr sarkozy) and has 6 years of TV to catch up on. ttfn Richard ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good conspiracy theories
Bates has just bought LUFC off himself! He also owns Elland Road and Thorpe Arch! :-O Another conspiracy theory, or is it? Stranger things have happened. Quick thread; most plausable conspiracy theory ever? I'll start with us avoliding promotion against Watford because it would have bankrupt us! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
I can see this is all upsetting you, so I will just say it doesn't matter what the tories (or libdems) thought about the deregulation of the financial services sector, Labour did the deed, no one else. I also don't remember reading any other chancellor in the developed world claiming they had banished boom and bust? eh? don't you think financial ministers in EVERY country make totally unfounded and unrealsitic claims - how else would they get voted in? the public voted labour in* because they were sick of thatchers slash and burn and tory corruption and wanted increased public spending, trouble is they also wanted low taxes, so the stupid nitwits borrowed money as did most countries and pretty much every citizen in them. Only the libdems pre Clegg were brave enough to suggest real increasses in tax for the middle class and weathly and a fat lot of good it did them. I was around in the 70's and things are still a lot better now and people better off, but we now have to spend a few years working hard to pay for it. * I say voted in because of course they and pretty much every govt post 1970 got a minority of the votes cast but still had enormous majorities due to the stupid electoral system. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good conspiracy theories
or Bin Laden was the custodian of Leeds and agreed to pass it on to Bates in the event of his death. It would explain why Bates did not know where the owners of Leeds were all this time. On 2011-05-04 16:12:05 + Simon Hart simon.h...@york.ac.uk wrote: Bates has just bought LUFC off himself! He also owns Elland Road and Thorpe Arch! :-O Another conspiracy theory, or is it? Stranger things have happened. Quick thread; most plausable conspiracy theory ever? I'll start with us avoliding promotion against Watford because it would have bankrupt us! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good conspiracy theories
Wasnt Bin Laden a Gooner? Seem to remember them banning him from Highbury after September 11. Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:24:38 +0100 From: c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk To: simon.h...@york.ac.uk CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good conspiracy theories or Bin Laden was the custodian of Leeds and agreed to pass it on to Bates in the event of his death. It would explain why Bates did not know where the owners of Leeds were all this time. On 2011-05-04 16:12:05 + Simon Hart simon.h...@york.ac.uk wrote: Bates has just bought LUFC off himself! He also owns Elland Road and Thorpe Arch! :-O Another conspiracy theory, or is it? Stranger things have happened. Quick thread; most plausable conspiracy theory ever? I'll start with us avoliding promotion against Watford because it would have bankrupt us! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good conspiracy theories
Nah, he was Leeds through and through, just check out the colour of his outfits, based on Leeds home strip circa 1972. You are confusing him with Robert Mugabe, he was a gooner and got banned due to baring his arse from the directors box window. On 2011-05-04 16:26:55 + Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Wasnt Bin Laden a Gooner? Seem to remember them banning him from Highbury after September 11. Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:24:38 +0100 From: c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk To: simon.h...@york.ac.uk CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good conspiracy theories or Bin Laden was the custodian of Leeds and agreed to pass it on to Bates in the event of his death. It would explain why Bates did not know where the owners of Leeds were all this time. On 2011-05-04 16:12:05 + Simon Hart simon.h...@york.ac.uk wrote: Bates has just bought LUFC off himself! He also owns Elland Road and Thorpe Arch! :-O Another conspiracy theory, or is it? Stranger things have happened. Quick thread; most plausable conspiracy theory ever? I'll start with us avoliding promotion against Watford because it would have bankrupt us! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
Of course we would. Pity you couldn’t lend Tony and Gordon your crystal ball though, would have prevented the tories getting in again wouldn’t it. -Original Message- From: Ian Murray [mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com] Sent: 04 May 2011 15:55 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Robert Heath; Richard Naef; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen? We would have been in a much worse position under the Tories 1997-2008 since they would have made vast improvements to healthcare, the schooling system, ema, minimum wage etc etc etc. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
Whereas obviously you're seeing all this through the retrospectoscope. Hindsight makes prophets of us all. The investment in all public services was needed after 18 years of Tory rule. Many mistakes were made but a vast improvement was seen, most obviously in the NHS. And, forgive me for adopting your pedantry, the Tories did not get in. They had to form a coalition to form a government. From: mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk To: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com CC: rhe...@mis-munich.de; rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: RE: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen? Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:35:35 +0100 Of course we would. Pity you couldn’t lend Tony and Gordon your crystal ball though, would have prevented the tories getting in again wouldn’t it. -Original Message- From: Ian Murray [mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com] Sent: 04 May 2011 15:55 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Robert Heath; Richard Naef; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen? We would have been in a much worse position under the Tories 1997-2008 since they would have made vast improvements to healthcare, the schooling system, ema, minimum wage etc etc etc. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
[LU] Non-LU: More farce than arse, really
I just don't understand how we are taking it up the arse by having a monarchy? Well, having read a defence of the monarchy on the grounds that it's claimed to make us money, I was merely intrigued to know what else the citizens of Britain should be willing to accept *just so long as it brings in a bit of cash*. Hence also the reference to some Premiership teams playing a 39th game in Hong Kong or somewhere, which would surely make a mockery of the competition but would no doubt pay handsomely. Of course, if you're happy - money aside - to regard yourself as a subject of the Queen, then all well and good, and that anal analogy doesn't apply to you, but consider this... apparently the operators of off-shore wind farms will have to pay a rent to Her Maj because... wait for it... THE QUEEN OWNS THE SEABED! Now, maybe you think that's right and proper, but surely you can understand the viewpoint of those of us who regard that as a frankly absurd state of affairs in 21st century Britain? More farce than arse, really. *** Apologies to everybody that this is turning into a long rant, but I've started so I'll finish. (Eventually...) *** I don't despise the royal family, I wish Kate and Wills every happiness, I've no reason to believe they aren't perfectly nice individuals, I just think that IN SOME SMALL WAY the acceptance of a monarchy helps perpetuate a system of governance that seems to be run for the benefit of a privileged few - whether it's bankers who donate to the right political parties, newspaper editors who toe the line and get their knighthoods, or whatever. I don't see that it's doing much for the folk of, say, Rotherham, or in any way creating a vibrant Great Britain. And for heaven's sake, PLEASE don't come out with the line that this is about envy. It's about wanting a little more *fairness*. Take a look at the diagram at the end of this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11942117 Ignore Frank Lampard and Tiger Woods, just gawp in awe at the contrast between the little black dot and the giant circle too big to even fit in. Then tell me - with a straight face, mind - that you can't see something badly out of kilter in a system where someone who shuffles money around on stock markets is paid almost as much as 100,000 nurses. Expressing a preference for a society in which rewards are at least VAGUELY in some sort of sensible proportion to the effort one puts in, and privilege isn't inherited, needn't exactly make one a communist. And it's not as though many don't work for less than that nurse, even in this country, never mind whatever proportion of the world's population it is that's reckoned to live on less than a dollar a day. What's that... about 70p?... call it around £250 a year... that's a factor of 10,000,000 less than Mr Fund Manager. Oddly enough, I don't ascribe that to their monumental stupidity or fecklessness; I put it down mainly to them having been born into a crazy world. Part of that crazy world is our government. But if you're content with a bunch of MPs jeering at each other across the House of Commons (and an opportunity to have a good jeer appears to be about the only time the buggers turn up), then clearly there's no room for improvement there either. Not that I'm suggesting for a minute that AV would change all that (though in a non-two- horse-race I think it would produce a better match to the views of the voters) but, if nothing else, at least a YES vote might send a teensy message to those in the privileged position of wielding power that we might be interested in something better than the status quo. I mean, yesterday Cameron was asked on the radio why he was in favour of first-past-the-post and the first thing he said was that's it's simpler. Unfortunately I can't comment on what other guff he trotted out because my head had gone into meltdown that our PM could get away, unchallenged, with the suggestion that listing preferences in 1,2,3... order is too COMPLICATED for us. I'd only just recovered from William Hague popping up a few days earlier to inform us that AV was the worst possible electoral system. And which coaltion partner might it have been that insisted such an awful system would be the only alternative on offer? Hmm, Mr Hague? Can't have been the Lib Dems, as they were rather keen on letting us have a referendum on PR... So... there you have it... the continental shelf is the property of the Windsors, some human beings are seven orders of magnitude more valuable than others, and we're governed by utter hypocrites who treat us like fools. What's not to like? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
[LU] Non-LU: More farce than arse, really
I just don't understand how we are taking it up the arse by having a monarchy? Well, having read a defence of the monarchy on the grounds that it's claimed to make us money, I was merely intrigued to know what else the citizens of Britain should be willing to accept *just so long as it brings in a bit of cash*. Hence also the reference to some Premiership teams playing a 39th game in Hong Kong or somewhere, which would surely make a mockery of the competition but would no doubt pay handsomely. Of course, if you're happy - money aside - to regard yourself as a subject of the Queen, then all well and good, and that anal analogy doesn't apply to you, but consider this... apparently the operators of off-shore wind farms will have to pay a rent to Her Maj because... wait for it... THE QUEEN OWNS THE SEABED! Now, maybe you think that's right and proper, but surely you can understand the viewpoint of those of us who regard that as a frankly absurd state of affairs in 21st century Britain? More farce than arse, really. *** Apologies to everybody that this is turning into a long rant, but I've started so I'll finish. (Eventually...) *** I don't despise the royal family, I wish Kate and Wills every happiness, I've no reason to believe they aren't perfectly nice individuals, I just think that IN SOME SMALL WAY the acceptance of a monarchy helps perpetuate a system of governance that seems to be run for the benefit of a privileged few - whether it's bankers who donate to the right political parties, newspaper editors who toe the line and get their knighthoods, or whatever. I don't see that it's doing much for the folk of, say, Rotherham, or in any way creating a vibrant Great Britain. And for heaven's sake, PLEASE don't come out with the line that this is about envy. It's about wanting a little more *fairness*. Take a look at the diagram at the end of this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11942117 Ignore Frank Lampard and Tiger Woods, just gawp in awe at the contrast between the little black dot and the giant circle too big to even fit in. Then tell me - with a straight face, mind - that you can't see something badly out of kilter in a system where someone who shuffles money around on stock markets is paid almost as much as 100,000 nurses. Expressing a preference for a society in which rewards are at least VAGUELY in some sort of sensible proportion to the effort one puts in, and privilege isn't inherited, needn't exactly make one a communist. And it's not as though many don't work for less than that nurse, even in this country, never mind whatever proportion of the world's population it is that's reckoned to live on less than a dollar a day. What's that... about 70p?... call it around £250 a year... that's a factor of 10,000,000 less than Mr Fund Manager. Oddly enough, I don't ascribe that to their monumental stupidity or fecklessness; I put it down mainly to them having been born into a crazy world. Part of that crazy world is our government. But if you're content with a bunch of MPs jeering at each other across the House of Commons (and an opportunity to have a good jeer appears to be about the only time the buggers turn up), then clearly there's no room for improvement there either. Not that I'm suggesting for a minute that AV would change all that (though in a non-two- horse-race I think it would produce a better match to the views of the voters) but, if nothing else, at least a YES vote might send a teensy message to those in the privileged position of wielding power that we might be interested in something better than the status quo. I mean, yesterday Cameron was asked on the radio why he was in favour of first-past-the-post and the first thing he said was that's it's simpler. Unfortunately I can't comment on what other guff he trotted out because my head had gone into meltdown that our PM could get away, unchallenged, with the suggestion that listing preferences in 1,2,3... order is too COMPLICATED for us. I'd only just recovered from William Hague popping up a few days earlier to inform us that AV was the worst possible electoral system. And which coaltion partner might it have been that insisted such an awful system would be the only alternative on offer? Hmm, Mr Hague? Can't have been the Lib Dems, as they were rather keen on letting us have a referendum on PR... So... there you have it... the continental shelf is the property of the Windsors, some human beings are seven orders of magnitude more valuable than others, and we're governed by utter hypocrites who treat us like fools. What's not to like? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
They may do, but has one ever blown up in someones face so dramatically? I mean, Gordy was the self styled economic genius of his generation, so he told us. But the thing that I really don't get is how so soon after this happened, Milliband is trying to now pretend we don't need slash and burn cuts and to trust their economic nouse, and some people believe him. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard Naef Sent: 04 May 2011 17:25 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen? eh? don't you think financial ministers in EVERY country make totally unfounded and unrealsitic claims - how else would they get voted in? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
On 04/05/2011 14:23, Mark Humphries wrote: Either way you look at it, it is Blair/Brown/Darling to blame, not Cameron, not Clegg, not FPTP, not the Queen and not Ken Bates. And just how do you know it's not Ken Bates, Mark? Whio knows what shit the old beardy bastard is dreaming up with his new base in St Kitts or wherever it is he's hidden his bulging wallet? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Non-LU: More farce than arse, really
Well said that man. From: b1...@yorkietalkie.plus.com To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 16:06:58 +0100 Subject: [LU] Non-LU: More farce than arse, really I just don't understand how we are taking it up the arse by having a monarchy? Well, having read a defence of the monarchy on the grounds that it's claimed to make us money, I was merely intrigued to know what else the citizens of Britain should be willing to accept *just so long as it brings in a bit of cash*. Hence also the reference to some Premiership teams playing a 39th game in Hong Kong or somewhere, which would surely make a mockery of the competition but would no doubt pay handsomely. Of course, if you're happy - money aside - to regard yourself as a subject of the Queen, then all well and good, and that anal analogy doesn't apply to you, but consider this... apparently the operators of off-shore wind farms will have to pay a rent to Her Maj because... wait for it... THE QUEEN OWNS THE SEABED! Now, maybe you think that's right and proper, but surely you can understand the viewpoint of those of us who regard that as a frankly absurd state of affairs in 21st century Britain? More farce than arse, really. *** Apologies to everybody that this is turning into a long rant, but I've started so I'll finish. (Eventually...) *** I don't despise the royal family, I wish Kate and Wills every happiness, I've no reason to believe they aren't perfectly nice individuals, I just think that IN SOME SMALL WAY the acceptance of a monarchy helps perpetuate a system of governance that seems to be run for the benefit of a privileged few - whether it's bankers who donate to the right political parties, newspaper editors who toe the line and get their knighthoods, or whatever. I don't see that it's doing much for the folk of, say, Rotherham, or in any way creating a vibrant Great Britain. And for heaven's sake, PLEASE don't come out with the line that this is about envy. It's about wanting a little more *fairness*. Take a look at the diagram at the end of this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11942117 Ignore Frank Lampard and Tiger Woods, just gawp in awe at the contrast between the little black dot and the giant circle too big to even fit in. Then tell me - with a straight face, mind - that you can't see something badly out of kilter in a system where someone who shuffles money around on stock markets is paid almost as much as 100,000 nurses. Expressing a preference for a society in which rewards are at least VAGUELY in some sort of sensible proportion to the effort one puts in, and privilege isn't inherited, needn't exactly make one a communist. And it's not as though many don't work for less than that nurse, even in this country, never mind whatever proportion of the world's population it is that's reckoned to live on less than a dollar a day. What's that... about 70p?... call it around £250 a year... that's a factor of 10,000,000 less than Mr Fund Manager. Oddly enough, I don't ascribe that to their monumental stupidity or fecklessness; I put it down mainly to them having been born into a crazy world. Part of that crazy world is our government. But if you're content with a bunch of MPs jeering at each other across the House of Commons (and an opportunity to have a good jeer appears to be about the only time the buggers turn up), then clearly there's no room for improvement there either. Not that I'm suggesting for a minute that AV would change all that (though in a non-two- horse-race I think it would produce a better match to the views of the voters) but, if nothing else, at least a YES vote might send a teensy message to those in the privileged position of wielding power that we might be interested in something better than the status quo. I mean, yesterday Cameron was asked on the radio why he was in favour of first-past-the-post and the first thing he said was that's it's simpler. Unfortunately I can't comment on what other guff he trotted out because my head had gone into meltdown that our PM could get away, unchallenged, with the suggestion that listing preferences in 1,2,3... order is too COMPLICATED for us. I'd only just recovered from William Hague popping up a few days earlier to inform us that AV was the worst possible electoral system. And which coaltion partner might it have been that insisted such an awful system would be the only alternative on offer? Hmm, Mr Hague? Can't have been the Lib Dems, as they were rather keen on letting us have a referendum on PR... So... there you have it... the continental shelf is the property of the Windsors, some human beings are seven orders of magnitude more valuable than others, and we're governed by utter hypocrites who treat us like fools. What's not to like? ___ Leedslist
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good conspiracy theories
On 04/05/2011 17:24, Chris Briggs wrote: or Bin Laden was the custodian of Leeds and agreed to pass it on to Bates in the event of his death. It would explain why Bates did not know where the owners of Leeds were all this time. Posting iof the day: accurate believable and 100% more fun than listening to the my Tories are bigger than your Tories guff Betty ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
The benefit of the retrospectoscope is that it's based on cold hard facts, not mystical powers. Like the assumption Major wouldn't have invested in public services with the economic boom just round the corner, no, he would have abolished the top rate tax band, or set up nurse/teacher/policeman shooting parties or something cos he was a cold hearted evil fucker was Major. Mind you the retrospectoscope does tell me he shagged Edwina Currie, so your crystal ball might be confusing that abomination with nurse/police/teacher culls I guess. But as a minority of people didn't believe that, they voted for Blairs new world of centre politics, but unfortunately he also got carried away with himself and took us to war and let Brown get on with ending boom and bust (not realising Brown had only read the first chapter of Keynes). Bottom line, Blair/Brown made mahusive assumptions about our economy, hocked us to the hilt, sold all our gold and left us exposed to the unthinkable - the bust round the corner. The tories did get in, along with libdems, or are they no longer tories if they are in a coalition government now? From: Ian Murray [mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com] Sent: 04 May 2011 17:40 To: mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk Cc: rhe...@mis-munich.de; rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: RE: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen? Whereas obviously you're seeing all this through the retrospectoscope. Hindsight makes prophets of us all. The investment in all public services was needed after 18 years of Tory rule. Many mistakes were made but a vast improvement was seen, most obviously in the NHS. And, forgive me for adopting your pedantry, the Tories did not get in. They had to form a coalition to form a government. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Non-LU: More farce than arse, really
My view is that we'd have the same disparity in a republic. How do US earnings compare? Or French? Or Cuban (government official vs prole)? -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: 04 May 2011 16:07 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] Non-LU: More farce than arse, really And for heaven's sake, PLEASE don't come out with the line that this is about envy. It's about wanting a little more *fairness*. Take a look at the diagram at the end of this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11942117 Ignore Frank Lampard and Tiger Woods, just gawp in awe at the contrast between the little black dot and the giant circle too big to even fit in. Then tell me - with a straight face, mind - that you can't see something badly out of kilter in a system where someone who shuffles money around on stock markets is paid almost as much as 100,000 nurses. Expressing a preference for a society in which rewards are at least VAGUELY in some sort of sensible proportion to the effort one puts in, and privilege isn't inherited, needn't exactly make one a communist. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Non-LU: More farce than arse, really
And for heaven's sake, PLEASE don't come out with the line that this is about envy. It's about wanting a little more *fairness*. Take a look at the diagram at the end of this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11942117 Ignore Frank Lampard and Tiger Woods, just gawp in awe at the contrast between the little black dot and the giant circle too big to even fit in. Then tell me - with a straight face, mind - that you can't see something badly out of kilter in a system where someone who shuffles money around on stock markets is paid almost as much as 100,000 nurses. Expressing a preference for a society in which rewards are at least VAGUELY in some sort of sensible proportion to the effort one puts in, and privilege isn't inherited, needn't exactly make one a communist. and if that annoys you DO NOT READ this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13277267 your head will, literally explore. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] NONLU - Ed Morrish DO NOT READ THIS
www.filmon.com with free BBC1 , ITV1 and Channel 4. all other channels are about £15 a month. Best option though is to get hold of a Dreambox and sat dish. - Original Message - From: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com To: Chris Briggs c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk; Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [LU] NONLU - Ed Morrish DO NOT READ THIS If you want to watch the UK channels live I have found this site works well (have watched a couple of Leeds games on it). Is not for BBC iPlayer though. http://fbhost-tv.fr/ From: Chris Briggs c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk To: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [LU] NONLU - Ed Morrish DO NOT READ THIS My father-in-law or this geezer I once overheard in a pub (dependant upon whether Ed has pressed the delete button) lives in the charente maritime and has tried numerous proxies and either hasn't got them to work or they have been shut down sharpish. The are some vpn services that give you a connection to an english server but charge for the service. I am sure that anyone with a uk based computer services company with a server connected to the interweb could do something similar ;o) The best solution he found was to get a local to hook up a couple of Sky boxes and attach pvr's. This way avoids the 7 day availability of iplayer content. On 2011-05-04 09:46:01 + Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk wrote: Hi, any of the diaspora managed to get iplayer and bbc services abroad - if so any simple instructions appreciated - my bro has finally been connected to t'internet (merci mr sarkozy) and has 6 years of TV to catch up on. ttfn Richard ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
I'm starting to lose the will to live here. The Tory 1997 manifesto talks largely about tax cuts and, euphemistically, benefit reform. It does not mention failing public services and a plan to increase investment therein. I suppose the manifesto is the best we have to go on as far as 'cold hard facts' go but there it is. The only investment it talks about is in transport. The Tories did not 'get in' - they were not elected to form a majority government. From: mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk To: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com CC: rhe...@mis-munich.de; rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: RE: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen? Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:55:47 +0100 The benefit of the retrospectoscope is that it’s based on cold hard facts, not mystical powers. Like the assumption Major wouldn’t have invested in public services with the economic boom just round the corner, no, he would have abolished the top rate tax band, or set up nurse/teacher/policeman shooting parties or something cos he was a cold hearted evil fucker was Major. Mind you the retrospectoscope does tell me he shagged Edwina Currie, so your crystal ball might be confusing that abomination with nurse/police/teacher culls I guess. But as a minority of people didn’t believe that, they voted for Blairs new world of centre politics, but unfortunately he also got carried away with himself and took us to war and let Brown get on with ending boom and bust (not realising Brown had only read the first chapter of Keynes). Bottom line, Blair/Brown made mahusive assumptions about our economy, hocked us to the hilt, sold all our gold and left us exposed to the unthinkable – the bust round the corner. The tories did get in, along with libdems, or are they no longer “tories” if they are in a coalition government now? From: Ian Murray [mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com] Sent: 04 May 2011 17:40 To: mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk Cc: rhe...@mis-munich.de; rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: RE: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen? Whereas obviously you're seeing all this through the retrospectoscope. Hindsight makes prophets of us all. The investment in all public services was needed after 18 years of Tory rule. Many mistakes were made but a vast improvement was seen, most obviously in the NHS. And, forgive me for adopting your pedantry, the Tories did not get in. They had to form a coalition to form a government. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Good omen?
Don't worry about anti-lawyer abuse on this list. I think you'll find that we're all very pro lawyer-abuse here! Damian ;) On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.comwrote: *braces self for anti-lawyer abuse* ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] [Non LU] Good omen?
Final Salary pensions are perfectly sustainable if they are properly funded, and if the funding is invested into productive enterprise (for want of a better word). Today's problem with Final Salary Pensions is the funding. Public Service pensions are unfunded with the govt making guarantees out of taxation. This is a more a philosophical issue than an economic one. However most private companies pensions are under-funded because the private companies DID NOT PAY THE PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS THEY WERE CONTRACTED TO PAY between the mis-80s to around 2005. Basically stock market returns were above average for twenty years so that companies could argue that they did not need to make their full contributions to cover their pension commitments. Now that the trend is under average they are squealing and cancelling this type of pension. There is no mention of them actually repaying the contributions they missed just as at the time there was no mention of offering their employees contribution holidays either. Because I have a great deal of respect for actuarial science, I think that there is a good chance that if a company paid its full contributions over the working life of its employees, there would be no under-funding of a final pension salary scheme. I really do feel that the problems with these schemes is truly (for once) an example of the bosses robbing the workers. Damian PS my first IS job in 1985 was reprogramming pension schemes to allow premium holes and premium holidays so that the employers contributions did not have to be paid. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk wrote: ..s idea's pale into insignificance with the concept of the Final Salary Pension Jesus what drugs were we taking when we thought that was a sustainable idea! I am afraid euthanasia is the only answer to our problems.. _ ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
