Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[Tim Ziegler]

Sorry this all stemmed from a harmless question from a new LOM owner, and a
misunderstanding, of what parts were available.
As for the split nut someone asked about those too and I just did some
digging.
My apologies.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 7:56 PM Tim Krause  wrote:

> Regarding the history of the lom rails, thanks for saving me the time of
> typing it out.  You are right on.
>
> Tim
> On Feb 5, 2019, at 7:59 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> hers's what I remember from my inquiries regarding the Legacy rail... it
>> is/was proprietary, back in the day Legacy was making the manual
>> machines... i.e. you could not buy it, even if you knew who the
>> manufacturer was... Legacy eventually discontinued using that rail, and
>> switched to a more common, commercially available rail(possibility the rail
>> that is available from the 80?20 company)… what I heard was that the
>> original rail supplier was charging Legacy a "storage" and "maintenance"
>> fee for the dies that were made exclusively for Legacy... Legacy decided to
>> not pay the fees(which were exorbitant, if my memory is correct)… so the
>> dies were destroyed... can't say for sure if all of this story is accurate,
>> but I believe other group members could make some comments here regarding
>> this specific situation... not sure if Legacy would so forthcoming to give
>> legal permission to manufacture some parts for their earlier machines, but
>> then again, would it be a viable business for someone to make that kind of
>> investment... and would anyone really need permission to make a couple of
>> items...  it is more than just making the parts, there is advertising,
>> marketing, etc., etc there is a very good reason why Legacy decided to
>> shut it down... we in this group are die hard Legacy mill enthusiasts...
>> and would probably cross a desert for a "Z" axis upgrade accessory, LOL!...
>> but that is just a handful of people... with all the talk lately of split
>> nuts, I made about 15 pieces a while back and it was suggested that if
>> anyone needed one, they could contact me... well, no one contacted me!,
>> LOL!... so what is the actual market out there for Legacy parts and/or
>> accessories... even the railing... a minimum extrusion run might be a
>> thousand feet(or more!)… at what cost?... and how long to sell that much
>> railing?... packaging and shipping... it's complicated, for sure... and
>> others have made a very good point of "keeping it in the family", so to
>> speak... if Legacy is willing to continue making the parts that they do
>> make now, then let's give the orders to them so there is an incentive for
>> them to continue... I might assume that they are not making killer profits
>> on those sales, and they are doing it to help support what is out there in
>> regards to there older equipment... just some thoughts and comments...
>> haven't commented for quite a while, but I do read all the posts... have
>> not used my machine in a year or so...  business stinks, in regards to what
>> I would need the Legacy for... hope all is well with everyone out in Legacy
>> Land!... Joe Biunno
>>
>>
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Re: Giving steel a black "patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood Challenge - Mallet

[Tim Ziegler]

Good old Pask,
pretty cool process he used.
Thanks for sharing that one Bill.
He's truly one of a kind and enjoyable once
you get past his little jingle "Scrap wood Challenge" lol
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:47 PM Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pho3O_MVOBQ
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *MWF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 February 2019 7:40 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Giving steel a black "patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood
> Challenge - Mallet
>
>
>
> Tim & others,
>
>
>
> I saw the process demonstrated on a "project" the guy was making on
> "Scrapwood Challenge".
>
> Here is a link to that video:
>
>
>
> https://www.scrapwoodchallenge.com/projects/categories/tools
>
>
>
> Of course, we would use our LOMs to turn the mallet head and get the
> handle shaped.  Also should be able to mortise the mallet head for the
> handle hole as well as drill out the head's 2 faces to accept
> washers/weights and the rolled up leather.
>
> Consequently, this Challenge Project is very germane to our LOM Group's
> discussions. (I can't wait to see how big of a mallet Joe fabricates -
> probably a 2-handed one!)  LoL!
>
>
>
> Have fun & Enjoy!
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Feb 5, 2019 8:05 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Horseshoe canes
>
> Hey Mac that sounds pretty neat! Could you share more detail on that? My
> wife is into making things look old and that
>
> might be a pretty cool process.
>
> I'm open to discuss one on one if you'd like as well as posting?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 12:45 AM MWF  wrote:
>
> Curtis,
>
> Thank you for sharing.  Really nice.  They remind me of a long-handled
> cudgel.  You could put "the Hurt" on someone with them!
>
>
>
> I read a neat technique to apply to steel (like your horse shoes):
>
> Heat the steel up to being very hot - but not red.  Brush on linseed oil,
> rub it in, and lightly buff.
>
> The effect:  The steel is left with a black patina look.  Very nice - and
> somewhat easy.
>
>
>
> Be Safe (and handle the torch and hot horse shoes VERY carefully!) and
> have fun.
>
>
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Sent: Feb 5, 2019 12:21 AM
> To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills
> Subject: New Horseshoe canes
>
> Hello Everyone
>
> I had a weekend with out having to work, Which means, I got time in the
> shop this weekend. ;-)
>
>
>
> Here are two new canes that I made, the horseshoe can handles are
> something that Ive been playing around with. (as something new, for me to
> try.)
>
> the first one I used the wave attachment, with a roughing end mill bit,
> cutting from the side. The second one, I played with some stringed buttons
> look.
>
> the buttons are on a 15" pitch, ( I used Mike's gear indexing method to
> set up the buttons.) It worked out Neat !
>
>
>
> Please let me know what you think?
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[Tim Krause]

Regarding the history of the lom rails, thanks for saving me the time of typing 
it out.  You are right on.

Tim

On Feb 5, 2019, 7:59 AM, at 7:59 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>hers's what I remember from my inquiries regarding the Legacy rail...
>it 
>is/was proprietary, back in the day Legacy was making the manual 
>machines... i.e. you could not buy it, even if you knew who the 
>manufacturer was... Legacy eventually discontinued using that rail, and
>
>switched to a more common, commercially available rail(possibility the
>rail 
>that is available from the 80?20 company)… what I heard was that the 
>original rail supplier was charging Legacy a "storage" and
>"maintenance" 
>fee for the dies that were made exclusively for Legacy... Legacy
>decided to 
>not pay the fees(which were exorbitant, if my memory is correct)… so
>the 
>dies were destroyed... can't say for sure if all of this story is
>accurate, 
>but I believe other group members could make some comments here
>regarding 
>this specific situation... not sure if Legacy would so forthcoming to
>give 
>legal permission to manufacture some parts for their earlier machines,
>but 
>then again, would it be a viable business for someone to make that kind
>of 
>investment... and would anyone really need permission to make a couple
>of 
>items...  it is more than just making the parts, there is advertising, 
>marketing, etc., etc there is a very good reason why Legacy decided
>to 
>shut it down... we in this group are die hard Legacy mill
>enthusiasts... 
>and would probably cross a desert for a "Z" axis upgrade accessory,
>LOL!... 
>but that is just a handful of people... with all the talk lately of
>split 
>nuts, I made about 15 pieces a while back and it was suggested that if 
>anyone needed one, they could contact me... well, no one contacted me!,
>
>LOL!... so what is the actual market out there for Legacy parts and/or 
>accessories... even the railing... a minimum extrusion run might be a 
>thousand feet(or more!)… at what cost?... and how long to sell that
>much 
>railing?... packaging and shipping... it's complicated, for sure... and
>
>others have made a very good point of "keeping it in the family", so to
>
>speak... if Legacy is willing to continue making the parts that they do
>
>make now, then let's give the orders to them so there is an incentive
>for 
>them to continue... I might assume that they are not making killer
>profits 
>on those sales, and they are doing it to help support what is out there
>in 
>regards to there older equipment... just some thoughts and comments... 
>haven't commented for quite a while, but I do read all the posts...
>have 
>not used my machine in a year or so...  business stinks, in regards to
>what 
>I would need the Legacy for... hope all is well with everyone out in
>Legacy 
>Land!... Joe Biunno
>
>
>>
>
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Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[rtjurg...@gmail.com]

Ok, I will end the confusion. I have been to the Phillippines three times 
totaling three months duration for all the visits. The second visit in March 
2018 of three weeks I watched them cut the trees and mill them with a chainsaw. 
The third visit in October 2018 was seven weeks. The house her brother is 
building and incorporates those trees was almost done. 
I filed an I-29f petition in May 2018 to bring Tess to the USA. On Feb 7 Tess 
has her interview at the embassy in Manila. We anticipate she will be given a 
visa to visit the U.S. for 90 days. If we get married during the visit she 
stays. 
Then at some point, after we are married, Tess and I will open the LOM boxes 
and assemble the mill.
So, that sounds like an interesting idea. Would the group like to see a 
detailed set of pictures of the 1200 mill being assembled??
I hadn't thought about the group never seeing that before.
Ryan

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  On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 5:29 PM, MWF wrote:   
#yiv8549221466 #yiv8549221466 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv8549221466 #yiv8549221466 
#yiv8549221466 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv8549221466 Ryan,
I'm a little confused.  Are you and your wife, Tess, living in the USA - and 
she is back visiting family in the Philippines?  And she will be returning back 
here soon?  If that's the case, get her to ship you some of those beautiful 
woods that are more "common" over there (and much less expensive) than they are 
here.What state are you living in?  (I assume you are in the USA - because you 
mention "basement" - and I doubt they have them in the Philippines.)Remember 
what you have probably seen both Bill and me post:  When it comes to assembling 
the extrusion rail pieces - they may look like there is no "inside/outside" 
face, but there is.  One of the channels has a fine line running down the 
center.  Pay attention to which way the Instructions tell you to orient that 
channel.  There's a right way - and a Wrong way; so be careful.
Have fun putting your Mill together!  Send us pictures of The Event.  
Like Bill said - most of The Group members have never seen a LOM come out of 
its box - NEW!

Mac

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Jurgens 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 12:49 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

Lol. No, not really. Would you believe my LOM is still in the original shipping 
boxes? Tess has asked to be a partner as I assemble it and begin using it. 
I have a pretty nice wood shop in my basement and she has been watching me as I 
have built several things.


On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 11:43 AM 4 Jim Carpenter  wrote:

I very much agree with all that. It seems with the uptick in the economy, 
hobbyists are out playing again. There are those that play for fun and there 
are those that try to make a few bucks while playing. 
So far I have not seen another machine quite like the LOM for such great and 
versatile "playing". I still wonder why so many of us hardly use our machines?
Now that I am retired I said I am going to start playing with mine more . . . 
well, after I get my bride home this spring. She has expressed interest in how 
we do woodworking here. 
In Maragusan Philippines they do things WAY different. I watched a group of 
guys cut down two huge Nara trees and proceed to turn them both into lumber . . 
. with a really long chainsaw. And I have been watching them build a house out 
of concrete and the two Nara trees. A different world and way of doing things 
for sure.
Ryan jurgensrtjurg...@sbcgloabal.net

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  On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:31 AM, Bawdsey64 wrote:   
Well said Joe.

As the guy who sold Legacy ​machines in UK and across the world I know that 
when the recession bit Andy Anderson did the right thing. His customers who 
were predominately hobbyist went away, it happens in a recession where as those 
in business had to find a solution and that was CNC. Luckily Andy had started 
to look hard at CNC and so kept the doors open and his workforce paid and feed.

Being in business is tough and some times you have to make tough decisions.

Cheers

Roger in UK



​




​From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental MillsReceived: 05/02/2019 15:59:44 
+00:00To: Legacy Ornamental Millshers's what I remember from my inquiries 
regarding the Legacy rail... it is/was proprietary, back in the day Legacy was 
making the manual machines... i.e. you could not buy it, even if you knew who 
the manufacturer was... Legacy eventually discontinued using that rail, and 
switched to a more common, commercially available rail(possibility the rail 
that is available from the 80?20 company)… what I heard was that the original 
rail supplier was charging Legacy a "storage" and "maintenance" fee for the 
dies that were made exclusively for Legacy... Legacy decided to not pay the 
fees(which were exorbitant, if my memory is correct)… so the dies were 
destroyed... can't say for sure if all of this story is 

RE: Giving steel a black "patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood Challenge - Mallet

[MWF]

Bill,I checked it twice - worked both before I sent it - and after.  Thank you for your link - convenient if someone later just wants to watch the video again.Mac-Original Message-
From: Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 6:06 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Giving steel a black "patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood Challenge - Mallet















Sorry mac thought your link didn’t work my
mistake

Bill

 





From:
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MWF
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2019
9:37 AM
To:
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Giving steel a black
"patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood Challenge - Mallet





 





Bill,





Exact same video - except the link
I posted takes you to a page that has the "description" (written
comments) of the process - and if you scroll down, there's the
"picture" for the video with the "Play" arrow/triangle in
the middle.  The video is Great - but having the write-up is a big help.





Either way, the entire Project is pretty
cool - and I thought others would enjoy it. 





I still can't wait to see the mallet that
Joe will make!





You know what they say - When you are
having trouble getting a piece to fit where it is supposed to fit, and it won't
go?  "Get a BIGGER hammer!"





Mac

















 





 

-Original Message-

From: Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 4:47 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Giving steel a black "patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood
Challenge - Mallet 




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pho3O_MVOBQ

 

Bill

 





From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of MWF
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2019
7:40 AM
To:
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Giving steel a black
"patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood Challenge - Mallet





 





Tim & others,





 





I saw the process demonstrated on a
"project" the guy was making on "Scrapwood Challenge".





Here is a link to that video:





 





https://www.scrapwoodchallenge.com/projects/categories/tools





 





Of course, we would use our LOMs to turn
the mallet head and get the handle shaped.  Also should be able to mortise
the mallet head for the handle hole as well as drill out the head's 2 faces to
accept washers/weights and the rolled up leather.  





Consequently, this Challenge Project is
very germane to our LOM Group's discussions. (I can't wait to see how big of a
mallet Joe fabricates - probably a 2-handed one!)  LoL!





 





Have fun & Enjoy!





Mac

















-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 8:05 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New Horseshoe canes 



Hey Mac that sounds pretty
neat! Could you share more detail on that? My wife is into making things look
old and that 



might be a pretty cool
process.





I'm open to discuss one on
one if you'd like as well as posting?








Kind Regards,



 





Timothy J. Ziegler





Ziegler WoodWork &
Specialty





14171 160th Ave.





Foreston MN 56330





 





320-294-5798 shop





320-630-2243 cell









 





 





On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at
12:45 AM MWF 
wrote:











Curtis,





Thank you for sharing.  Really
nice.  They remind me of a long-handled cudgel.  You could put
"the Hurt" on someone with them!





 





I read a neat technique to apply to steel
(like your horse shoes):





Heat the steel up to being very hot - but
not red.  Brush on linseed oil, rub it in, and lightly buff.





The effect:  The steel is left with a
black patina look.  Very nice - and somewhat easy.





 





Be Safe (and handle the torch and hot
horse shoes VERY carefully!) and have fun.





 





Mac

















-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 12:21 AM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: New Horseshoe canes 



Hello Everyone





I had a weekend with out
having to work, Which means, I got time in the shop this weekend. ;-)





 





Here are two new canes
that I made, the horseshoe can handles are something that Ive been playing
around with. (as something new, for me to try.)





the first one I used the
wave attachment, with a roughing end mill bit, cutting from the side. The
second one, I played with some stringed buttons look.





the buttons are on a
15" pitch, ( I used Mike's gear indexing method to set up the buttons.) It
worked out Neat !





 





Please let me know what
you think?





 





C.A.G.
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Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[MWF]

Ryan,I'm a little confused.  Are you and your wife, Tess, living in the USA - and she is back visiting family in the Philippines?  And she will be returning back here soon?  If that's the case, get her to ship you some of those beautiful woods that are more "common" over there (and much less expensive) than they are here.What state are you living in?  (I assume you are in the USA - because you mention "basement" - and I doubt they have them in the Philippines.)Remember what you have probably seen both Bill and me post:  When it comes to assembling the extrusion rail pieces - they may look like there is no "inside/outside" face, but there is.  One of the channels has a fine line running down the center.  Pay attention to which way the Instructions tell you to orient that channel.  There's a right way - and a Wrong way; so be careful.Have fun putting your Mill together!  Send us pictures of The Event.  Like Bill said - most of The Group members have never seen a LOM come out of its box - NEW!Mac-Original Message-
From: Ryan Jurgens 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 12:49 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

Lol. No, not really. Would you believe my LOM is still in the original shipping boxes? Tess has asked to be a partner as I assemble it and begin using it. I have a pretty nice wood shop in my basement and she has been watching me as I have built several things.On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 11:43 AM 4 Jim Carpenter  wrote:I very much agree with all that. It seems with the uptick in the economy, hobbyists are out playing again. There are those that play for fun and there are those that try to make a few bucks while playing. So far I have not seen another machine quite like the LOM for such great and versatile "playing". I still wonder why so many of us hardly use our machines?Now that I am retired I said I am going to start playing with mine more . . . well, after I get my bride home this spring. She has expressed interest in how we do woodworking here. In Maragusan Philippines they do things WAY different. I watched a group of guys cut down two huge Nara trees and proceed to turn them both into lumber . . . with a really long chainsaw. And I have been watching them build a house out of concrete and the two Nara trees. A different world and way of doing things for sure.Ryan Jurgensrtjurg...@sbcgloabal.netSent from Yahoo Mail on AndroidOn Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:31 AM, Bawdsey64 wrote:   Well said Joe.As the guy who sold Legacy ​machines in UK and across the world I know that when the recession bit Andy Anderson did the right thing. His customers who were predominately hobbyist went away, it happens in a recession where as those in business had to find a solution and that was CNC. Luckily Andy had started to look hard at CNC and so kept the doors open and his workforce paid and feed.Being in business is tough and some times you have to make tough decisions.CheersRoger in UK​​From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental MillsReceived: 05/02/2019 15:59:44 +00:00To: Legacy Ornamental Millshers's what I remember from my inquiries regarding the Legacy rail... it is/was proprietary, back in the day Legacy was making the manual machines... i.e. you could not buy it, even if you knew who the manufacturer was... Legacy eventually discontinued using that rail, and switched to a more common, commercially available rail(possibility the rail that is available from the 80?20 company)… what I heard was that the original rail supplier was charging Legacy a "storage" and "maintenance" fee for the dies that were made exclusively for Legacy... Legacy decided to not pay the fees(which were exorbitant, if my memory is correct)… so the dies were destroyed... can't say for sure if all of this story is accurate, but I believe other group members could make some comments here regarding this specific situation... not sure if Legacy would so forthcoming to give legal permission to manufacture some parts for their earlier machines, but then again, would it be a viable business for someone to make that kind of investment... and would anyone really need permission to make a couple of items...  it is more than just making the parts, there is advertising, marketing, etc., etc there is a very good reason why Legacy decided to shut it down... we in this group are die hard Legacy mill enthusiasts... and would probably cross a desert for a "Z" axis upgrade accessory, LOL!... but that is just a handful of people... with all the talk lately of split nuts, I made about 15 pieces a while back and it was suggested that if anyone needed one, they could contact me... well, no one contacted me!, LOL!... so what is the actual market out there for Legacy parts and/or 

RE: Giving steel a black "patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood Challenge - Mallet

[Bill Bulkeley]

Sorry mac thought your link didn’t work my mistake

Bill

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MWF
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2019 9:37 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Giving steel a black "patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood Challenge 
- Mallet

 

Bill,

Exact same video - except the link 
  I posted takes 
you to a page that has the "description" (written comments) of the process - 
and if you scroll down, there's the "picture" for the video with the "Play" 
arrow/triangle in the middle.  The video is Great - but having the write-up is 
a big help.

Either way, the entire Project is pretty cool - and I thought others would 
enjoy it. 

I still can't wait to see the mallet that Joe will make!

You know what they say - When you are having trouble getting a piece to fit 
where it is supposed to fit, and it won't go?  "Get a BIGGER hammer!"

Mac

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-Original Message- 
From: Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 4:47 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Giving steel a black "patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood Challenge 
- Mallet 




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pho3O_MVOBQ

 

Bill

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MWF
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2019 7:40 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Giving steel a black "patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood Challenge - 
Mallet

 

Tim & others,

 

I saw the process demonstrated on a "project" the guy was making on "Scrapwood 
Challenge".

Here is a link to that video:

 

https://www.scrapwoodchallenge.com/projects/categories/tools

 

Of course, we would use our LOMs to turn the mallet head and get the handle 
shaped.  Also should be able to mortise the mallet head for the handle hole as 
well as drill out the head's 2 faces to accept washers/weights and the rolled 
up leather.  

Consequently, this Challenge Project is very germane to our LOM Group's 
discussions. (I can't wait to see how big of a mallet Joe fabricates - probably 
a 2-handed one!)  LoL!

 

Have fun & Enjoy!

Mac


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-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 8:05 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New Horseshoe canes 

Hey Mac that sounds pretty neat! Could you share more detail on that? My wife 
is into making things look old and that 

might be a pretty cool process.

I'm open to discuss one on one if you'd like as well as posting?


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 12:45 AM MWF  wrote:

Curtis,

Thank you for sharing.  Really nice.  They remind me of a long-handled cudgel.  
You could put "the Hurt" on someone with them!

 

I read a neat technique to apply to steel (like your horse shoes):

Heat the steel up to being very hot - but not red.  Brush on linseed oil, rub 
it in, and lightly buff.

The effect:  The steel is left with a black patina look.  Very nice - and 
somewhat easy.

 

Be Safe (and handle the torch and hot horse shoes VERY carefully!) and have fun.

 

Mac


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-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 12:21 AM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: New Horseshoe canes 

Hello Everyone

I had a weekend with out having to work, Which means, I got time in the shop 
this weekend. ;-)

 

Here are two new canes that I made, the horseshoe can handles are something 
that Ive been playing around with. (as something new, for me to try.)

the first one I used the wave attachment, with a roughing end mill bit, cutting 
from the side. The second one, I played with some stringed buttons look.

the buttons are on a 15" pitch, ( I used Mike's gear indexing method to set up 
the buttons.) It worked out Neat !

 

Please let me know what you think?

 

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RE: Giving steel a black "patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood Challenge - Mallet

[MWF]

Bill,Exact same video - except the link I posted takes you to a page that has the "description" (written comments) of the process - and if you scroll down, there's the "picture" for the video with the "Play" arrow/triangle in the middle.  The video is Great - but having the write-up is a big help.Either way, the entire Project is pretty cool - and I thought others would enjoy it.  I still can't wait to see the mallet that Joe will make!You know what they say - When you are having trouble getting a piece to fit where it is supposed to fit, and it won't go?  "Get a BIGGER hammer!"Mac-Original Message-
From: Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 4:47 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Giving steel a black "patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood Challenge - Mallet















https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pho3O_MVOBQ

 

Bill

 





From:
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MWF
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2019
7:40 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Giving steel a black
"patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood Challenge - Mallet





 





Tim & others,





 





I saw the process demonstrated on a
"project" the guy was making on "Scrapwood Challenge".





Here is a link to that video:





 





https://www.scrapwoodchallenge.com/projects/categories/tools





 





Of course, we would use our LOMs to turn
the mallet head and get the handle shaped.  Also should be able to mortise
the mallet head for the handle hole as well as drill out the head's 2 faces to
accept washers/weights and the rolled up leather.  





Consequently, this Challenge Project is
very germane to our LOM Group's discussions. (I can't wait to see how big of a
mallet Joe fabricates - probably a 2-handed one!)  LoL!





 





Have fun & Enjoy!





Mac

















-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 8:05 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New Horseshoe canes 



Hey Mac that sounds pretty
neat! Could you share more detail on that? My wife is into making things look
old and that 



might be a pretty cool
process.





I'm open to discuss one on
one if you'd like as well as posting?








Kind Regards,



 





Timothy J. Ziegler





Ziegler WoodWork &
Specialty





14171 160th Ave.





Foreston MN 56330





 





320-294-5798 shop





320-630-2243 cell









 





 





On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at
12:45 AM MWF 
wrote:











Curtis,





Thank you for sharing.  Really
nice.  They remind me of a long-handled cudgel.  You could put
"the Hurt" on someone with them!





 





I read a neat technique to apply to steel
(like your horse shoes):





Heat the steel up to being very hot - but
not red.  Brush on linseed oil, rub it in, and lightly buff.





The effect:  The steel is left with a
black patina look.  Very nice - and somewhat easy.





 





Be Safe (and handle the torch and hot
horse shoes VERY carefully!) and have fun.





 





Mac

















-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 12:21 AM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: New Horseshoe canes 



Hello Everyone





I had a weekend with out
having to work, Which means, I got time in the shop this weekend. ;-)





 





Here are two new canes
that I made, the horseshoe can handles are something that Ive been playing
around with. (as something new, for me to try.)





the first one I used the
wave attachment, with a roughing end mill bit, cutting from the side. The
second one, I played with some stringed buttons look.





the buttons are on a
15" pitch, ( I used Mike's gear indexing method to set up the buttons.) It
worked out Neat !





 





Please let me know what
you think?





 





C.A.G.
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RE: Giving steel a black "patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood Challenge - Mallet

[Bill Bulkeley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pho3O_MVOBQ

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MWF
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2019 7:40 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Giving steel a black "patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood Challenge - 
Mallet

 

Tim & others,

 

I saw the process demonstrated on a "project" the guy was making on "Scrapwood 
Challenge".

Here is a link to that video:

 

https://www.scrapwoodchallenge.com/projects/categories/tools

 

Of course, we would use our LOMs to turn the mallet head and get the handle 
shaped.  Also should be able to mortise the mallet head for the handle hole as 
well as drill out the head's 2 faces to accept washers/weights and the rolled 
up leather.  

Consequently, this Challenge Project is very germane to our LOM Group's 
discussions. (I can't wait to see how big of a mallet Joe fabricates - probably 
a 2-handed one!)  LoL!

 

Have fun & Enjoy!

Mac

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  _  

-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 8:05 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New Horseshoe canes 

Hey Mac that sounds pretty neat! Could you share more detail on that? My wife 
is into making things look old and that 

might be a pretty cool process.

I'm open to discuss one on one if you'd like as well as posting?


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 12:45 AM MWF  wrote:

Curtis,

Thank you for sharing.  Really nice.  They remind me of a long-handled cudgel.  
You could put "the Hurt" on someone with them!

 

I read a neat technique to apply to steel (like your horse shoes):

Heat the steel up to being very hot - but not red.  Brush on linseed oil, rub 
it in, and lightly buff.

The effect:  The steel is left with a black patina look.  Very nice - and 
somewhat easy.

 

Be Safe (and handle the torch and hot horse shoes VERY carefully!) and have fun.

 

Mac


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-Original Message- 
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 12:21 AM 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: New Horseshoe canes 

Hello Everyone

I had a weekend with out having to work, Which means, I got time in the shop 
this weekend. ;-)

 

Here are two new canes that I made, the horseshoe can handles are something 
that Ive been playing around with. (as something new, for me to try.)

the first one I used the wave attachment, with a roughing end mill bit, cutting 
from the side. The second one, I played with some stringed buttons look.

the buttons are on a 15" pitch, ( I used Mike's gear indexing method to set up 
the buttons.) It worked out Neat !

 

Please let me know what you think?

 

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RE: Make a "Split Nut"

[Bill Bulkeley]

I remember when I bought my first mill new after assembly when I fitted the 
split nut for the first time it was quite a tight fit I had to push reasonably 
hard till it clicked into the leadscrew thread but after a run along the length 
of the mill it became much easier to engage don’t know if this is the case with 
your new leadscrew nut but I just thought I would throw that out there as I 
guess not many of you guys out there have worked with a brand new mill

 

Bill

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 4 Jim Carpenter
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2019 4:22 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut"

 

Just the split nuts were different or the threaded rods size and count changed 
? 

 

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 2:22 PM Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

 Fair enough Tim  I guess they would have to be cheaper than legacy’s ones well 
if they’re going to be a good price you can put me down for a  couple. Remember 
for members ordering on some mill models the split nut can be a different shape

 

Bill

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Sunday, 3 February 2019 6:23 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut"

 

Yes they are available from Legacy. I just ordered one from Cindy, and will be 
here sometime this upcoming week.

 

I responded the Forum as others where interested in getting some made. 

I have a avid young friend that has CNC as well as works for a machine shop and 
offered to dig into it. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 11:04 AM Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

I think delrin is still the best material to make a split nut from and any 
metal machinist worth his salt could make one without going to cnc

The only other material I would use if I was not going to use delrin would be 
brass like the split nut in a metal lathe is made from

But then you would need a small amount of lubrication on it. but it would 
certainly last a lot longer. But aren’t they still available from legacy?. also 
if you keep a good supply of dyna-glide on your lead screw and split nut and 
also on the rails and make sure your saddle moves freely and easily along the 
rails at all times will increase split nut life as well.

Speaking from my years in the metal industry as a machinist and as a owner of 
legacy mills

Bill 

 

 

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Sunday, 3 February 2019 12:06 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut"

 

I have a buddy up here in Minnesota that has a CNC and I shot him an email to 
see if this something he can create. Hopefully I hear something back from him 
this morning. 

 

kind regards,

 

Tim of ZWW

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 11:23:26 AM UTC-5, Va Oak wrote:

Hello all,
I am not sure how well a split nut made from HDPE will hold up - but here is my 
2-cents' worth:
HDPE (Look on bottom of plastic jugs, bottles, etc for the Recycle symbol w/the 
#2) is the only plastic that I know of that we can "re-purpose" at home.
Do an Internet/BING search for this - you'll be amazed.

I find that the plastic Folgers and Maxwell House coffee canisters are labeled 
#2 - as are most milk jugs.  The two coffee brands yield red and blue plastic 
respectively.
My thought is that you embed a matching Acme rod into the mold you melt the #2 
plastic in. Once cooled, you should be able to "unscrew" the rod from the 
plastic billet.  You then cut/machine the billet to the exterior measurements 
you need and then split it down the center line.  "Machining" can be done with 
your router, bandsaw, etc.

Does anyone have an idea of how well the #2 plastic (HDPE) will hold up?  Even 
if it wears down after 6 months of use - you will be able to reuse that worn 
out piece, with some added #2 plastic, and melt/mold a new piece.  If your mold 
& billet is long enough, you can produce a year's-worth in one mold.

If anyone tries this - or something similar, please share pictures and results.

Mac


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-Original Message- 
From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Aug 3, 2017 10:00 AM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Wood Chuck Tour by Mike Pung 

i'll offer an opinion here, as this could have been a problem for me on my 
recently acquired 1500...the problem is, due to the action/movement of the lead 
screw, the threads in the split nut wear sideways, especially when using a 
drive motor...think of each cross section of thread as a square(see photo)...I 
measured the cross section of the thread(in a new nut) to be .140" wide...in 
the photo of the worn nut, that same 

Giving steel a black "patina" w/linseed oil - Scrapwood Challenge - Mallet

[MWF]

Tim & others,I saw the process demonstrated on a "project" the guy was making on "Scrapwood Challenge".Here is a link to that video:https://www.scrapwoodchallenge.com/projects/categories/toolsOf course, we would use our LOMs to turn the mallet head and get the handle shaped.  Also should be able to mortise the mallet head for the handle hole as well as drill out the head's 2 faces to accept washers/weights and the rolled up leather.  Consequently, this Challenge Project is very germane to our LOM Group's discussions. (I can't wait to see how big of a mallet Joe fabricates - probably a 2-handed one!)  LoL!Have fun & Enjoy!Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 8:05 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Horseshoe canes

Hey Mac that sounds pretty neat! Could you share more detail on that? My wife is into making things look old and that might be a pretty cool process.I'm open to discuss one on one if you'd like as well as posting?Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cellOn Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 12:45 AM MWF  wrote:Curtis,Thank you for sharing.  Really nice.  They remind me of a long-handled cudgel.  You could put "the Hurt" on someone with them!I read a neat technique to apply to steel (like your horse shoes):Heat the steel up to being very hot - but not red.  Brush on linseed oil, rub it in, and lightly buff.The effect:  The steel is left with a black patina look.  Very nice - and somewhat easy.Be Safe (and handle the torch and hot horse shoes VERY carefully!) and have fun.Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 12:21 AM
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
Subject: New Horseshoe canes

Hello EveryoneI had a weekend with out having to work, Which means, I got time in the shop this weekend. ;-)Here are two new canes that I made, the horseshoe can handles are something that Ive been playing around with. (as something new, for me to try.)the first one I used the wave attachment, with a roughing end mill bit, cutting from the side. The second one, I played with some stringed buttons look.the buttons are on a 15" pitch, ( I used Mike's gear indexing method to set up the buttons.) It worked out Neat !Please let me know what you think?C.A.G.



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Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[rtjurg...@gmail.com]

They stand the boards up for one month after cutting and they are dry that 
quick. They only use wood for supports and joists. The walls are concrete. 

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 12:03 PM, MWF wrote:   
Ryan,Cut down tree.Saw it up into 
boards.Build house with boards.What happens with that "newly constructed" house 
when the wood starts to dry?  
All the neighbors can then see in? LoL!  Or is that the "adaptive air 
conditioning" - letting the sea breeze in?Mac


-Original Message-
From: Ryan Jurgens 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 12:49 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

Lol. No, not really. Would you believe my LOM is still in the original shipping 
boxes? Tess has asked to be a partner as I assemble it and begin using it. 
I have a pretty nice wood shop in my basement and she has been watching me as I 
have built several things.


On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 11:43 AM 4 Jim Carpenter  wrote:

I very much agree with all that. It seems with the uptick in the economy, 
hobbyists are out playing again. There are those that play for fun and there 
are those that try to make a few bucks while playing. 
So far I have not seen another machine quite like the LOM for such great and 
versatile "playing". I still wonder why so many of us hardly use our machines?
Now that I am retired I said I am going to start playing with mine more . . . 
well, after I get my bride home this spring. She has expressed interest in how 
we do woodworking here. 
In Maragusan Philippines they do things WAY different. I watched a group of 
guys cut down two huge Nara trees and proceed to turn them both into lumber . . 
. with a really long chainsaw. And I have been watching them build a house out 
of concrete and the two Nara trees. A different world and way of doing things 
for sure.
Ryan jurgensrtjurg...@sbcgloabal.net

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  On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:31 AM, Bawdsey64 wrote:   
Well said Joe.

As the guy who sold Legacy ​machines in UK and across the world I know that 
when the recession bit Andy Anderson did the right thing. His customers who 
were predominately hobbyist went away, it happens in a recession where as those 
in business had to find a solution and that was CNC. Luckily Andy had started 
to look hard at CNC and so kept the doors open and his workforce paid and feed.

Being in business is tough and some times you have to make tough decisions.

Cheers

Roger in UK



​




​From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental MillsReceived: 05/02/2019 15:59:44 
+00:00To: Legacy Ornamental Millshers's what I remember from my inquiries 
regarding the Legacy rail... it is/was proprietary, back in the day Legacy was 
making the manual machines... i.e. you could not buy it, even if you knew who 
the manufacturer was... Legacy eventually discontinued using that rail, and 
switched to a more common, commercially available rail(possibility the rail 
that is available from the 80?20 company)… what I heard was that the original 
rail supplier was charging Legacy a "storage" and "maintenance" fee for the 
dies that were made exclusively for Legacy... Legacy decided to not pay the 
fees(which were exorbitant, if my memory is correct)… so the dies were 
destroyed... can't say for sure if all of this story is accurate, but I believe 
other group members could make some comments here regarding this specific 
situation... not sure if Legacy would so forthcoming to give legal permission 
to manufacture some parts for their earlier machines, but then again, would it 
be a viable business for someone to make that kind of investment... and would 
anyone really need permission to make a couple of items...  it is more than 
just making the parts, there is advertising, marketing, etc., etc there is 
a very good reason why Legacy decided to shut it down... we in this group are 
die hard Legacy mill enthusiasts... and would probably cross a desert for a "Z" 
axis upgrade accessory, LOL!... but that is just a handful of people... with 
all the talk lately of split nuts, I made about 15 pieces a while back and it 
was suggested that if anyone needed one, they could contact me... well, no one 
contacted me!, LOL!... so what is the actual market out there for Legacy parts 
and/or accessories... even the railing... a minimum extrusion run might be a 
thousand feet(or more!)… at what cost?... and how long to sell that much 
railing?... packaging and shipping... it's complicated, for sure... and others 
have made a very good point of "keeping it in the family", so to speak... if 
Legacy is willing to continue making the parts that they do make now, then 
let's give the orders to them so there is an incentive for them to continue... 
I might assume that they are not making killer profits on those sales, and they 
are doing it to help support what is out there in regards to there older 
equipment... just some thoughts and comments... 

Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[MWF]

Ryan,Cut down tree.Saw it up into boards.Build house with boards.What happens with that "newly constructed" house when the wood starts to dry?  All the neighbors can then see in? LoL!  Or is that the "adaptive air conditioning" - letting the sea breeze in?Mac-Original Message-
From: Ryan Jurgens 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 12:49 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

Lol. No, not really. Would you believe my LOM is still in the original shipping boxes? Tess has asked to be a partner as I assemble it and begin using it. I have a pretty nice wood shop in my basement and she has been watching me as I have built several things.On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 11:43 AM 4 Jim Carpenter  wrote:I very much agree with all that. It seems with the uptick in the economy, hobbyists are out playing again. There are those that play for fun and there are those that try to make a few bucks while playing. So far I have not seen another machine quite like the LOM for such great and versatile "playing". I still wonder why so many of us hardly use our machines?Now that I am retired I said I am going to start playing with mine more . . . well, after I get my bride home this spring. She has expressed interest in how we do woodworking here. In Maragusan Philippines they do things WAY different. I watched a group of guys cut down two huge Nara trees and proceed to turn them both into lumber . . . with a really long chainsaw. And I have been watching them build a house out of concrete and the two Nara trees. A different world and way of doing things for sure.Ryan Jurgensrtjurg...@sbcgloabal.netSent from Yahoo Mail on AndroidOn Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:31 AM, Bawdsey64 wrote:   Well said Joe.As the guy who sold Legacy ​machines in UK and across the world I know that when the recession bit Andy Anderson did the right thing. His customers who were predominately hobbyist went away, it happens in a recession where as those in business had to find a solution and that was CNC. Luckily Andy had started to look hard at CNC and so kept the doors open and his workforce paid and feed.Being in business is tough and some times you have to make tough decisions.CheersRoger in UK​​From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental MillsReceived: 05/02/2019 15:59:44 +00:00To: Legacy Ornamental Millshers's what I remember from my inquiries regarding the Legacy rail... it is/was proprietary, back in the day Legacy was making the manual machines... i.e. you could not buy it, even if you knew who the manufacturer was... Legacy eventually discontinued using that rail, and switched to a more common, commercially available rail(possibility the rail that is available from the 80?20 company)… what I heard was that the original rail supplier was charging Legacy a "storage" and "maintenance" fee for the dies that were made exclusively for Legacy... Legacy decided to not pay the fees(which were exorbitant, if my memory is correct)… so the dies were destroyed... can't say for sure if all of this story is accurate, but I believe other group members could make some comments here regarding this specific situation... not sure if Legacy would so forthcoming to give legal permission to manufacture some parts for their earlier machines, but then again, would it be a viable business for someone to make that kind of investment... and would anyone really need permission to make a couple of items...  it is more than just making the parts, there is advertising, marketing, etc., etc there is a very good reason why Legacy decided to shut it down... we in this group are die hard Legacy mill enthusiasts... and would probably cross a desert for a "Z" axis upgrade accessory, LOL!... but that is just a handful of people... with all the talk lately of split nuts, I made about 15 pieces a while back and it was suggested that if anyone needed one, they could contact me... well, no one contacted me!, LOL!... so what is the actual market out there for Legacy parts and/or accessories... even the railing... a minimum extrusion run might be a thousand feet(or more!)… at what cost?... and how long to sell that much railing?... packaging and shipping... it's complicated, for sure... and others have made a very good point of "keeping it in the family", so to speak... if Legacy is willing to continue making the parts that they do make now, then let's give the orders to them so there is an incentive for them to continue... I might assume that they are not making killer profits on those sales, and they are doing it to help support what is out there in regards to there older equipment... just some thoughts and comments... haven't commented for quite a while, but I do read all the posts... have not used my machine in 

Re: Seeking any referral's to relocate a 1000xl steely

[Tom Dotta]

Are you looking for one or offering one?   Tom D

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:50 AM 4 Jim Carpenter 
wrote:

> It is a pretty basic, low use machine being offered to new enthusiast.
> Help appreciated.
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Re: Seeking any referral's to relocate a 1000xl steely

[Okla Mike (Liltwisted)]

Are you selling or purchased one and need transportation?

On 2/5/2019 11:50 AM, 4 Jim Carpenter wrote:
It is a pretty basic, low use machine being offered to new 
enthusiast.  Help appreciated.

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Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[4 Jim Carpenter]

Bet if she had her own LOM she would rather compete ! Shipping to you from
US St. Louis, Mo.
 may require you to just share.  Show us the results.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:49 AM Ryan Jurgens  wrote:

> Lol. No, not really. Would you believe my LOM is still in the original
> shipping boxes? Tess has asked to be a partner as I assemble it and begin
> using it.
>
> I have a pretty nice wood shop in my basement and she has been watching me
> as I have built several things.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 11:43 AM 4 Jim Carpenter  wrote:
>
>> Does that mean that your LOM play time is put off till you cut a couple
>> trees down and build a new house ?
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:14 AM rtjurg...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I very much agree with all that. It seems with the uptick in the
>>> economy, hobbyists are out playing again. There are those that play for fun
>>> and there are those that try to make a few bucks while playing.
>>>
>>> So far I have not seen another machine quite like the LOM for such great
>>> and versatile "playing". I still wonder why so many of us hardly use our
>>> machines?
>>>
>>> Now that I am retired I said I am going to start playing with mine more
>>> . . . well, after I get my bride home this spring. She has expressed
>>> interest in how we do woodworking here.
>>> In Maragusan Philippines they do things WAY different. I watched a group
>>> of guys cut down two huge Nara trees and proceed to turn them both into
>>> lumber . . . with a really long chainsaw. And I have been watching them
>>> build a house out of concrete and the two Nara trees. A different world and
>>> way of doing things for sure.
>>>
>>> Ryan Jurgens
>>> rtjurg...@sbcgloabal.net
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:31 AM, Bawdsey64
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well said Joe.
>>>
>>> As the guy who sold Legacy ​machines in UK and across the world I know
>>> that when the recession bit Andy Anderson did the right thing. His
>>> customers who were predominately hobbyist went away, it happens in a
>>> recession where as those in business had to find a solution and that was
>>> CNC. Luckily Andy had started to look hard at CNC and so kept the doors
>>> open and his workforce paid and feed.
>>>
>>> Being in business is tough and some times you have to make tough
>>> decisions.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Roger in UK
>>>
>>> ​
>>>
>>>
>>> ​
>>> From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>>> Received: 05/02/2019 15:59:44 +00:00
>>> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
>>> hers's what I remember from my inquiries regarding the Legacy rail... it
>>> is/was proprietary, back in the day Legacy was making the manual
>>> machines... i.e. you could not buy it, even if you knew who the
>>> manufacturer was... Legacy eventually discontinued using that rail, and
>>> switched to a more common, commercially available rail(possibility the rail
>>> that is available from the 80?20 company)… what I heard was that the
>>> original rail supplier was charging Legacy a "storage" and "maintenance"
>>> fee for the dies that were made exclusively for Legacy... Legacy decided to
>>> not pay the fees(which were exorbitant, if my memory is correct)… so the
>>> dies were destroyed... can't say for sure if all of this story is accurate,
>>> but I believe other group members could make some comments here regarding
>>> this specific situation... not sure if Legacy would so forthcoming to give
>>> legal permission to manufacture some parts for their earlier machines, but
>>> then again, would it be a viable business for someone to make that kind of
>>> investment... and would anyone really need permission to make a couple of
>>> items...  it is more than just making the parts, there is advertising,
>>> marketing, etc., etc there is a very good reason why Legacy decided to
>>> shut it down... we in this group are die hard Legacy mill enthusiasts...
>>> and would probably cross a desert for a "Z" axis upgrade accessory, LOL!...
>>> but that is just a handful of people... with all the talk lately of split
>>> nuts, I made about 15 pieces a while back and it was suggested that if
>>> anyone needed one, they could contact me... well, no one contacted me!,
>>> LOL!... so what is the actual market out there for Legacy parts and/or
>>> accessories... even the railing... a minimum extrusion run might be a
>>> thousand feet(or more!)… at what cost?... and how long to sell that much
>>> railing?... packaging and shipping... it's complicated, for sure... and
>>> others have made a very good point of "keeping it in the family", so to
>>> speak... if Legacy is willing to continue making the parts that they do
>>> make now, then let's give the orders to them so there is an incentive for
>>> them to continue... I might assume that they are not making killer profits
>>> on 

Seeking any referral's to relocate a 1000xl steely

[4 Jim Carpenter]

It is a pretty basic, low use machine being offered to new enthusiast.
Help appreciated.

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Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[Ryan Jurgens]

Lol. No, not really. Would you believe my LOM is still in the original
shipping boxes? Tess has asked to be a partner as I assemble it and begin
using it.

I have a pretty nice wood shop in my basement and she has been watching me
as I have built several things.



On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 11:43 AM 4 Jim Carpenter  Does that mean that your LOM play time is put off till you cut a couple
> trees down and build a new house ?
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:14 AM rtjurg...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I very much agree with all that. It seems with the uptick in the economy,
>> hobbyists are out playing again. There are those that play for fun and
>> there are those that try to make a few bucks while playing.
>>
>> So far I have not seen another machine quite like the LOM for such great
>> and versatile "playing". I still wonder why so many of us hardly use our
>> machines?
>>
>> Now that I am retired I said I am going to start playing with mine more .
>> . . well, after I get my bride home this spring. She has expressed interest
>> in how we do woodworking here.
>> In Maragusan Philippines they do things WAY different. I watched a group
>> of guys cut down two huge Nara trees and proceed to turn them both into
>> lumber . . . with a really long chainsaw. And I have been watching them
>> build a house out of concrete and the two Nara trees. A different world and
>> way of doing things for sure.
>>
>> Ryan Jurgens
>> rtjurg...@sbcgloabal.net
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:31 AM, Bawdsey64
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Well said Joe.
>>
>> As the guy who sold Legacy ​machines in UK and across the world I know
>> that when the recession bit Andy Anderson did the right thing. His
>> customers who were predominately hobbyist went away, it happens in a
>> recession where as those in business had to find a solution and that was
>> CNC. Luckily Andy had started to look hard at CNC and so kept the doors
>> open and his workforce paid and feed.
>>
>> Being in business is tough and some times you have to make tough
>> decisions.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Roger in UK
>>
>> ​
>>
>>
>> ​
>> From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> Received: 05/02/2019 15:59:44 +00:00
>> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> hers's what I remember from my inquiries regarding the Legacy rail... it
>> is/was proprietary, back in the day Legacy was making the manual
>> machines... i.e. you could not buy it, even if you knew who the
>> manufacturer was... Legacy eventually discontinued using that rail, and
>> switched to a more common, commercially available rail(possibility the rail
>> that is available from the 80?20 company)… what I heard was that the
>> original rail supplier was charging Legacy a "storage" and "maintenance"
>> fee for the dies that were made exclusively for Legacy... Legacy decided to
>> not pay the fees(which were exorbitant, if my memory is correct)… so the
>> dies were destroyed... can't say for sure if all of this story is accurate,
>> but I believe other group members could make some comments here regarding
>> this specific situation... not sure if Legacy would so forthcoming to give
>> legal permission to manufacture some parts for their earlier machines, but
>> then again, would it be a viable business for someone to make that kind of
>> investment... and would anyone really need permission to make a couple of
>> items...  it is more than just making the parts, there is advertising,
>> marketing, etc., etc there is a very good reason why Legacy decided to
>> shut it down... we in this group are die hard Legacy mill enthusiasts...
>> and would probably cross a desert for a "Z" axis upgrade accessory, LOL!...
>> but that is just a handful of people... with all the talk lately of split
>> nuts, I made about 15 pieces a while back and it was suggested that if
>> anyone needed one, they could contact me... well, no one contacted me!,
>> LOL!... so what is the actual market out there for Legacy parts and/or
>> accessories... even the railing... a minimum extrusion run might be a
>> thousand feet(or more!)… at what cost?... and how long to sell that much
>> railing?... packaging and shipping... it's complicated, for sure... and
>> others have made a very good point of "keeping it in the family", so to
>> speak... if Legacy is willing to continue making the parts that they do
>> make now, then let's give the orders to them so there is an incentive for
>> them to continue... I might assume that they are not making killer profits
>> on those sales, and they are doing it to help support what is out there in
>> regards to there older equipment... just some thoughts and comments...
>> haven't commented for quite a while, but I do read all the posts... have
>> not used my machine in a year or so...  business stinks, in regards to what
>> I would need 

Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[4 Jim Carpenter]

Does that mean that your LOM play time is put off till you cut a couple
trees down and build a new house ?

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:14 AM rtjurg...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I very much agree with all that. It seems with the uptick in the economy,
> hobbyists are out playing again. There are those that play for fun and
> there are those that try to make a few bucks while playing.
>
> So far I have not seen another machine quite like the LOM for such great
> and versatile "playing". I still wonder why so many of us hardly use our
> machines?
>
> Now that I am retired I said I am going to start playing with mine more .
> . . well, after I get my bride home this spring. She has expressed interest
> in how we do woodworking here.
> In Maragusan Philippines they do things WAY different. I watched a group
> of guys cut down two huge Nara trees and proceed to turn them both into
> lumber . . . with a really long chainsaw. And I have been watching them
> build a house out of concrete and the two Nara trees. A different world and
> way of doing things for sure.
>
> Ryan Jurgens
> rtjurg...@sbcgloabal.net
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:31 AM, Bawdsey64
>  wrote:
>
> Well said Joe.
>
> As the guy who sold Legacy ​machines in UK and across the world I know
> that when the recession bit Andy Anderson did the right thing. His
> customers who were predominately hobbyist went away, it happens in a
> recession where as those in business had to find a solution and that was
> CNC. Luckily Andy had started to look hard at CNC and so kept the doors
> open and his workforce paid and feed.
>
> Being in business is tough and some times you have to make tough decisions.
>
> Cheers
>
> Roger in UK
>
> ​
>
>
> ​
> From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Received: 05/02/2019 15:59:44 +00:00
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
> hers's what I remember from my inquiries regarding the Legacy rail... it
> is/was proprietary, back in the day Legacy was making the manual
> machines... i.e. you could not buy it, even if you knew who the
> manufacturer was... Legacy eventually discontinued using that rail, and
> switched to a more common, commercially available rail(possibility the rail
> that is available from the 80?20 company)… what I heard was that the
> original rail supplier was charging Legacy a "storage" and "maintenance"
> fee for the dies that were made exclusively for Legacy... Legacy decided to
> not pay the fees(which were exorbitant, if my memory is correct)… so the
> dies were destroyed... can't say for sure if all of this story is accurate,
> but I believe other group members could make some comments here regarding
> this specific situation... not sure if Legacy would so forthcoming to give
> legal permission to manufacture some parts for their earlier machines, but
> then again, would it be a viable business for someone to make that kind of
> investment... and would anyone really need permission to make a couple of
> items...  it is more than just making the parts, there is advertising,
> marketing, etc., etc there is a very good reason why Legacy decided to
> shut it down... we in this group are die hard Legacy mill enthusiasts...
> and would probably cross a desert for a "Z" axis upgrade accessory, LOL!...
> but that is just a handful of people... with all the talk lately of split
> nuts, I made about 15 pieces a while back and it was suggested that if
> anyone needed one, they could contact me... well, no one contacted me!,
> LOL!... so what is the actual market out there for Legacy parts and/or
> accessories... even the railing... a minimum extrusion run might be a
> thousand feet(or more!)… at what cost?... and how long to sell that much
> railing?... packaging and shipping... it's complicated, for sure... and
> others have made a very good point of "keeping it in the family", so to
> speak... if Legacy is willing to continue making the parts that they do
> make now, then let's give the orders to them so there is an incentive for
> them to continue... I might assume that they are not making killer profits
> on those sales, and they are doing it to help support what is out there in
> regards to there older equipment... just some thoughts and comments...
> haven't commented for quite a while, but I do read all the posts... have
> not used my machine in a year or so...  business stinks, in regards to what
> I would need the Legacy for... hope all is well with everyone out in Legacy
> Land!... Joe Biunno
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Make a "Split Nut"

[4 Jim Carpenter]

Just the split nuts were different or the threaded rods size and count
changed ?

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 2:22 PM Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

>  Fair enough Tim  I guess they would have to be cheaper than legacy’s ones
> well if they’re going to be a good price you can put me down for a  couple.
> Remember for members ordering on some mill models the split nut can be a
> different shape
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Sunday, 3 February 2019 6:23 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Make a "Split Nut"
>
>
>
> Yes they are available from Legacy. I just ordered one from Cindy, and
> will be here sometime this upcoming week.
>
>
>
> I responded the Forum as others where interested in getting some made.
>
> I have a avid young friend that has CNC as well as works for a machine
> shop and offered to dig into it.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 11:04 AM Bill Bulkeley 
> wrote:
>
> I think delrin is still the best material to make a split nut from and any
> metal machinist worth his salt could make one without going to cnc
>
> The only other material I would use if I was not going to use delrin would
> be brass like the split nut in a metal lathe is made from
>
> But then you would need a small amount of lubrication on it. but it would
> certainly last a lot longer. But aren’t they still available from legacy?.
> also if you keep a good supply of dyna-glide on your lead screw and split
> nut and also on the rails and make sure your saddle moves freely and easily
> along the rails at all times will increase split nut life as well.
>
> Speaking from my years in the metal industry as a machinist and as a owner
> of legacy mills
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Sunday, 3 February 2019 12:06 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
> *Subject:* Re: Make a "Split Nut"
>
>
>
> I have a buddy up here in Minnesota that has a CNC and I shot him an email
> to see if this something he can create. Hopefully I hear something back
> from him this morning.
>
>
>
> kind regards,
>
>
>
> Tim of ZWW
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 11:23:26 AM UTC-5, Va Oak wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> I am not sure how well a split nut made from HDPE will hold up - but here
> is my 2-cents' worth:
> HDPE (Look on bottom of plastic jugs, bottles, etc for the Recycle symbol
> w/the #2) is the only plastic that I know of that we can "re-purpose" at
> home.
> Do an Internet/BING search for this - you'll be amazed.
>
> I find that the plastic Folgers and Maxwell House coffee canisters are
> labeled #2 - as are most milk jugs.  The two coffee brands yield red and
> blue plastic respectively.
> My thought is that you embed a matching Acme rod into the mold you melt
> the #2 plastic in. Once cooled, you should be able to "unscrew" the rod
> from the plastic billet.  You then cut/machine the billet to the exterior
> measurements you need and then split it down the center line.  "Machining"
> can be done with your router, bandsaw, etc.
>
> Does anyone have an idea of how well the #2 plastic (HDPE) will hold up?
> Even if it wears down after 6 months of use - you will be able to reuse
> that worn out piece, with some added #2 plastic, and melt/mold a new
> piece.  If your mold & billet is long enough, you can produce a
> year's-worth in one mold.
>
> If anyone tries this - or something similar, please share pictures and
> results.
>
> Mac
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> -Original Message-
> From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Sent: Aug 3, 2017 10:00 AM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Subject: Re: Wood Chuck Tour by Mike Pung
>
> i'll offer an opinion here, as this could have been a problem for me on my
> recently acquired 1500...the problem is, due to the action/movement of the
> lead screw, the threads in the split nut wear sideways, especially when
> using a drive motor...think of each cross section of thread as a square(see
> photo)...I measured the cross section of the thread(in a new nut) to be
> .140" wide...in the photo of the worn nut, that same dimension is down to
> .065...so you could say the thread went from 1/8" full(new) to 1/16"...and
> sanding the nut down is not going to improve the function of the nut, in my
> opinion...maybe early on you can sand the nut to get a bit more life out of
> it, but that's it...the key to solving this problem is finding the 5/8-4
> acme thread tap...once you have the tap, to make a new split nut is
> somewhat simple...and anyone who has that "hinged" split nut, I would swap
> that out and set up a sliding split 

Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[rtjurg...@gmail.com]

I very much agree with all that. It seems with the uptick in the economy, 
hobbyists are out playing again. There are those that play for fun and there 
are those that try to make a few bucks while playing. 
So far I have not seen another machine quite like the LOM for such great and 
versatile "playing". I still wonder why so many of us hardly use our machines?
Now that I am retired I said I am going to start playing with mine more . . . 
well, after I get my bride home this spring. She has expressed interest in how 
we do woodworking here. 
In Maragusan Philippines they do things WAY different. I watched a group of 
guys cut down two huge Nara trees and proceed to turn them both into lumber . . 
. with a really long chainsaw. And I have been watching them build a house out 
of concrete and the two Nara trees. A different world and way of doing things 
for sure.
Ryan jurgensrtjurg...@sbcgloabal.net

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:31 AM, Bawdsey64 wrote:   
Well said Joe.

As the guy who sold Legacy ​machines in UK and across the world I know that 
when the recession bit Andy Anderson did the right thing. His customers who 
were predominately hobbyist went away, it happens in a recession where as those 
in business had to find a solution and that was CNC. Luckily Andy had started 
to look hard at CNC and so kept the doors open and his workforce paid and feed.

Being in business is tough and some times you have to make tough decisions.

Cheers

Roger in UK



​




​From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental MillsReceived: 05/02/2019 15:59:44 
+00:00To: Legacy Ornamental Millshers's what I remember from my inquiries 
regarding the Legacy rail... it is/was proprietary, back in the day Legacy was 
making the manual machines... i.e. you could not buy it, even if you knew who 
the manufacturer was... Legacy eventually discontinued using that rail, and 
switched to a more common, commercially available rail(possibility the rail 
that is available from the 80?20 company)… what I heard was that the original 
rail supplier was charging Legacy a "storage" and "maintenance" fee for the 
dies that were made exclusively for Legacy... Legacy decided to not pay the 
fees(which were exorbitant, if my memory is correct)… so the dies were 
destroyed... can't say for sure if all of this story is accurate, but I believe 
other group members could make some comments here regarding this specific 
situation... not sure if Legacy would so forthcoming to give legal permission 
to manufacture some parts for their earlier machines, but then again, would it 
be a viable business for someone to make that kind of investment... and would 
anyone really need permission to make a couple of items...  it is more than 
just making the parts, there is advertising, marketing, etc., etc there is 
a very good reason why Legacy decided to shut it down... we in this group are 
die hard Legacy mill enthusiasts... and would probably cross a desert for a "Z" 
axis upgrade accessory, LOL!... but that is just a handful of people... with 
all the talk lately of split nuts, I made about 15 pieces a while back and it 
was suggested that if anyone needed one, they could contact me... well, no one 
contacted me!, LOL!... so what is the actual market out there for Legacy parts 
and/or accessories... even the railing... a minimum extrusion run might be a 
thousand feet(or more!)… at what cost?... and how long to sell that much 
railing?... packaging and shipping... it's complicated, for sure... and others 
have made a very good point of "keeping it in the family", so to speak... if 
Legacy is willing to continue making the parts that they do make now, then 
let's give the orders to them so there is an incentive for them to continue... 
I might assume that they are not making killer profits on those sales, and they 
are doing it to help support what is out there in regards to there older 
equipment... just some thoughts and comments... haven't commented for quite a 
while, but I do read all the posts... have not used my machine in a year or 
so...  business stinks, in regards to what I would need the Legacy for... hope 
all is well with everyone out in Legacy Land!... Joe Biunno







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Re: Correct Split nut for 1200

[4 Jim Carpenter]

Found that with the new I tend to over tighten, just secure firm.

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 3:32 PM John Hennen  wrote:

> On the right is the newest version but both are usable
>
> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019, 2:32 PM John Hennen 
>> On the left
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019, 2:11 PM Jeff Wimer >
>>> Is the split nit on the right the correct split but for my 1200? I just
>>> got two of these from legacy and it is wider than the original, and has a
>>> smaller thread for the cinch knob. When using it, it seemed to pop up off
>>> of the acme screw much easier than the original.
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Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

hers's what I remember from my inquiries regarding the Legacy rail... it 
is/was proprietary, back in the day Legacy was making the manual 
machines... i.e. you could not buy it, even if you knew who the 
manufacturer was... Legacy eventually discontinued using that rail, and 
switched to a more common, commercially available rail(possibility the rail 
that is available from the 80?20 company)… what I heard was that the 
original rail supplier was charging Legacy a "storage" and "maintenance" 
fee for the dies that were made exclusively for Legacy... Legacy decided to 
not pay the fees(which were exorbitant, if my memory is correct)… so the 
dies were destroyed... can't say for sure if all of this story is accurate, 
but I believe other group members could make some comments here regarding 
this specific situation... not sure if Legacy would so forthcoming to give 
legal permission to manufacture some parts for their earlier machines, but 
then again, would it be a viable business for someone to make that kind of 
investment... and would anyone really need permission to make a couple of 
items...  it is more than just making the parts, there is advertising, 
marketing, etc., etc there is a very good reason why Legacy decided to 
shut it down... we in this group are die hard Legacy mill enthusiasts... 
and would probably cross a desert for a "Z" axis upgrade accessory, LOL!... 
but that is just a handful of people... with all the talk lately of split 
nuts, I made about 15 pieces a while back and it was suggested that if 
anyone needed one, they could contact me... well, no one contacted me!, 
LOL!... so what is the actual market out there for Legacy parts and/or 
accessories... even the railing... a minimum extrusion run might be a 
thousand feet(or more!)… at what cost?... and how long to sell that much 
railing?... packaging and shipping... it's complicated, for sure... and 
others have made a very good point of "keeping it in the family", so to 
speak... if Legacy is willing to continue making the parts that they do 
make now, then let's give the orders to them so there is an incentive for 
them to continue... I might assume that they are not making killer profits 
on those sales, and they are doing it to help support what is out there in 
regards to there older equipment... just some thoughts and comments... 
haven't commented for quite a while, but I do read all the posts... have 
not used my machine in a year or so...  business stinks, in regards to what 
I would need the Legacy for... hope all is well with everyone out in Legacy 
Land!... Joe Biunno


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RE: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[rtjurg...@sbcglobal.net]

Wouldn't it be nice if some ingenious character worked with Legacy to obtain 
permission to begin manufacturing and selling parts they no longer provide? A 
niche business opportunity.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
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Legacy doesn’t tell us everything and whenyou open your package and see your 
order then you got it. stuff for the oldmills is getting harder and harder to 
get.  I been waiting years for a ballbearing head stock for my mill I ordered 
from them.  as legacy states they nolonger support or supply anything to do 
with the old mills so any thing you canget from them I feel is a bonus and 
probably old stock left over from theirmanual mill days
 
  
 
Bill
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
From:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 20191:13 AM
To:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Make a "SplitNut" - & buying parts from Legacy
 
  
 
Thanks Bill I am only going by what Cindy shared with me?
 


 
Kind Regards,
 
  
 
Timothy J. Ziegler
 
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
 
14171 160th Ave.
 
Foreston MN 56330
 
  
 
320-294-5798 shop
 
320-630-2243 cell
 
  
 
  
 
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 8:07 AM Bill Bulkeley  wrote:
 

Legacyrail has 2 wide grooves and 2 narrow grooves 80-20 has all narrow grooves 
ifthere’s a legacy rail there please post a link to it I would love to see it. 
Ibelieve Legacy had their rails made exclusively for them only and not too 
thegeneral public so you had to buy only from them then they went cnc and 
changedrail type to a more common more available one.
 
 
 
Bill
 
 
 
From: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 201912:25 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Make a "SplitNut" - & buying parts from Legacy
 
 
 
Good morningall, 
 
As promised 
 
 
 
Being fairly newon this I did a lot of digging as I did not want to jump in 
with out firstknowing more about 
 
components, andtheir availability. Even when I went after the predecessor the 
WC I dug untilmy head hurt. (Mike Pung and I had many discussions.)
 
Later joining theforum I got to know Curtis George. I had many more discussions 
with CurtisGeorge. Thanks again for so much support Curt & Mike.
 
So once I foundthe 1200 LOM and talked to Cindy from LOM, extensively she gave 
me thecompany's name of where we can still get rails etc...
 
I'm not exactlysure how to verify the rail style as you mentioned some are 
different thenothers. 
 
So the company is80-20 inc.  
 
web site is www.80-20inc.com
 
https://8020.net
 
844-802-0932 phone
 
servi...@80-20inc.com 
 
 
 
Big boys dreamfrom what I can see. You can even buy it by the foot so in my 
case I'm going tomake the small piece support for running narrow moulding. 
 
Hope this helpssomeone. 
 
 
 
Kindregards, 
 
Tim of ZWWS
 


 
Kind Regards,
 
 
 
Timothy J. Ziegler
 
Ziegler WoodWork& Specialty
 
14171 160th Ave.
 
Foreston MN 56330
 
 
 
320-294-5798 shop
 
320-630-2243 cell
 
 
 
 
 
On Tue, Feb 5,2019 at 1:28 AM Bill Bulkeley  wrote:
 

Ithought the aluminium legacy rails for the manual mills were discontinued 
beingmade. On some of the cnc mills the rail is different
 
Whenlooking make sure it’s the rail you want and not something just similar. if 
ittruly is the old legacy rail I’m sure many here would be interested in where 
itcan be purchased. 
 
 
 
Bill
 
 
 
From: 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Ray Leaman
Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 20192:44 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Make a "SplitNut" - & buying parts from Legacy
 
 
 
Thanks much. This is very helpful.  If not too much of an imposition l could 
use yourreference on the aluminum 

RE: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[Bill Bulkeley]

Legacy doesn’t tell us everything and when you open your package and see your 
order then you got it. stuff for the old mills is getting harder and harder to 
get.  I been waiting years for a ball bearing head stock for my mill I ordered 
from them.  as legacy states they no longer support or supply anything to do 
with the old mills so any thing you can get from them I feel is a bonus and 
probably old stock left over from their manual mill days

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2019 1:13 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

 

Thanks Bill I am only going by what Cindy shared with me?




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 8:07 AM Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

Legacy rail has 2 wide grooves and 2 narrow grooves 80-20 has all narrow 
grooves if there’s a legacy rail there please post a link to it I would love to 
see it. I believe Legacy had their rails made exclusively for them only and not 
too the general public so you had to buy only from them then they went cnc and 
changed rail type to a more common more available one.

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2019 12:25 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

 

Good morning all, 

As promised 

 

Being fairly new on this I did a lot of digging as I did not want to jump in 
with out first knowing more about 

components, and their availability. Even when I went after the predecessor the 
WC I dug until my head hurt. (Mike Pung and I had many discussions.)

Later joining the forum I got to know Curtis George. I had many more 
discussions with Curtis George. Thanks again for so much support Curt & Mike.

So once I found the 1200 LOM and talked to Cindy from LOM, extensively she gave 
me the company's name of where we can still get rails etc...

I'm not exactly sure how to verify the rail style as you mentioned some are 
different then others. 

So the company is 80-20 inc.  

web site is www.80-20inc.com

https://8020.net

844-802-0932 phone

servi...@80-20inc.com 

 

Big boys dream from what I can see. You can even buy it by the foot so in my 
case I'm going to make the small piece support for running narrow moulding. 

Hope this helps someone. 

 

Kind regards, 

Tim of ZWWS




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:28 AM Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

I thought the aluminium legacy rails for the manual mills were discontinued 
being made. On some of the cnc mills the rail is different

When looking make sure it’s the rail you want and not something just similar. 
if it truly is the old legacy rail I’m sure many here would be interested in 
where it can be purchased. 

 

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Leaman
Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2019 2:44 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

 

Thanks much.  This is very helpful.  If not too much of an imposition l could 
use your reference on the aluminum rail source.

 

Thanks again for your feedback.  Much appreciated!

 

Ray

Sent from my iPad


On Feb 3, 2019, at 12:12 PM, MWF  wrote:

To all,

 

I, too, agree with Tim.  As long as we LOM Owners show Legacy that we need and 
are willing to buy parts for our LOMs - it increases the likelihood that they 
will be willing to make parts for our "Legacy" (In this case meaning no longer 
in production.) Mills.

 

Thanks you Tim for your "Words of Wisdom".

 

Mac


  _  


  _  


 

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Feb 3, 2019 4:28 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Make a "Split Nut" 

I agree Tim 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Krause
Sent: Sunday, 3 February 2019 8:01 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut"

 

Joe in NY made a batch of split nut a while back.  You all might want to ask 
for availability second.  My first supplier would be Legacy so they will keep 
making the parts needed for our machines. 

Tim

On Feb 2, 2019, at 8:22 AM, MWF  wrote:

Thank you, Tim.

Mac


  _  


-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Feb 2, 2019 8:05 AM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut" 

I have a buddy up here 

Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[Tim Ziegler]

Thanks Bill I am only going by what Cindy shared with me?

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 8:07 AM Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

> Legacy rail has 2 wide grooves and 2 narrow grooves 80-20 has all narrow
> grooves if there’s a legacy rail there please post a link to it I would
> love to see it. I believe Legacy had their rails made exclusively for them
> only and not too the general public so you had to buy only from them then
> they went cnc and changed rail type to a more common more available one.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 February 2019 12:25 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy
>
>
>
> Good morning all,
>
> As promised
>
>
>
> Being fairly new on this I did a lot of digging as I did not want to jump
> in with out first knowing more about
>
> components, and their availability. Even when I went after the predecessor
> the WC I dug until my head hurt. (Mike Pung and I had many discussions.)
>
> Later joining the forum I got to know Curtis George. I had many more
> discussions with Curtis George. Thanks again for so much support Curt &
> Mike.
>
> So once I found the 1200 LOM and talked to Cindy from LOM, extensively she
> gave me the company's name of where we can still get rails etc...
>
> I'm not exactly sure how to verify the rail style as you mentioned some
> are different then others.
>
> So the company is 80-20 inc.
>
> web site is www.80-20inc.com
>
> https://8020.net
>
> 844-802-0932 phone
>
> servi...@80-20inc.com
>
>
>
> Big boys dream from what I can see. You can even buy it by the foot so in
> my case I'm going to make the small piece support for running narrow
> moulding.
>
> Hope this helps someone.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Tim of ZWWS
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:28 AM Bill Bulkeley 
> wrote:
>
> I thought the aluminium legacy rails for the manual mills were
> discontinued being made. On some of the cnc mills the rail is different
>
> When looking make sure it’s the rail you want and not something just
> similar. if it truly is the old legacy rail I’m sure many here would be
> interested in where it can be purchased.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 February 2019 2:44 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy
>
>
>
> Thanks much.  This is very helpful.  If not too much of an imposition l
> could use your reference on the aluminum rail source.
>
>
>
> Thanks again for your feedback.  Much appreciated!
>
>
>
> Ray
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2019, at 12:12 PM, MWF  wrote:
>
> To all,
>
>
>
> I, too, agree with Tim.  As long as we LOM Owners show Legacy that we need
> and are willing to buy parts for our LOMs - it increases the likelihood
> that they will be willing to make parts for our "Legacy" (In this case
> meaning no longer in production.) Mills.
>
>
>
> Thanks you Tim for your "Words of Wisdom".
>
>
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Bulkeley
> Sent: Feb 3, 2019 4:28 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Make a "Split Nut"
>
> I agree Tim
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Tim Krause
> *Sent:* Sunday, 3 February 2019 8:01 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Make a "Split Nut"
>
>
>
> Joe in NY made a batch of split nut a while back.  You all might want to
> ask for availability second.  My first supplier would be Legacy so they
> will keep making the parts needed for our machines.
>
> Tim
>
> On Feb 2, 2019, at 8:22 AM, MWF  wrote:
>
> Thank you, Tim.
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Feb 2, 2019 8:05 AM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut"
>
> I have a buddy up here in Minnesota that has a CNC and I shot him an email
> to see if this something he can create. Hopefully I hear something back
> from him this morning.
>
>
>
> kind regards,
>
>
>
> Tim of ZWW
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 11:23:26 AM UTC-5, Va Oak wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> I am not sure how well a split nut made from HDPE will hold up - but here
> is my 2-cents' worth:
> HDPE (Look on bottom of plastic jugs, bottles, etc for the Recycle symbol
> 

RE: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[Bill Bulkeley]

Legacy rail has 2 wide grooves and 2 narrow grooves 80-20 has all narrow 
grooves if there’s a legacy rail there please post a link to it I would love to 
see it. I believe Legacy had their rails made exclusively for them only and not 
too the general public so you had to buy only from them then they went cnc and 
changed rail type to a more common more available one.

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2019 12:25 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

 

Good morning all, 

As promised 

 

Being fairly new on this I did a lot of digging as I did not want to jump in 
with out first knowing more about 

components, and their availability. Even when I went after the predecessor the 
WC I dug until my head hurt. (Mike Pung and I had many discussions.)

Later joining the forum I got to know Curtis George. I had many more 
discussions with Curtis George. Thanks again for so much support Curt & Mike.

So once I found the 1200 LOM and talked to Cindy from LOM, extensively she gave 
me the company's name of where we can still get rails etc...

I'm not exactly sure how to verify the rail style as you mentioned some are 
different then others. 

So the company is 80-20 inc.  

web site is www.80-20inc.com

https://8020.net

844-802-0932 phone

servi...@80-20inc.com 

 

Big boys dream from what I can see. You can even buy it by the foot so in my 
case I'm going to make the small piece support for running narrow moulding. 

Hope this helps someone. 

 

Kind regards, 

Tim of ZWWS




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:28 AM Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

I thought the aluminium legacy rails for the manual mills were discontinued 
being made. On some of the cnc mills the rail is different

When looking make sure it’s the rail you want and not something just similar. 
if it truly is the old legacy rail I’m sure many here would be interested in 
where it can be purchased. 

 

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Leaman
Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2019 2:44 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

 

Thanks much.  This is very helpful.  If not too much of an imposition l could 
use your reference on the aluminum rail source.

 

Thanks again for your feedback.  Much appreciated!

 

Ray

Sent from my iPad


On Feb 3, 2019, at 12:12 PM, MWF  wrote:

To all,

 

I, too, agree with Tim.  As long as we LOM Owners show Legacy that we need and 
are willing to buy parts for our LOMs - it increases the likelihood that they 
will be willing to make parts for our "Legacy" (In this case meaning no longer 
in production.) Mills.

 

Thanks you Tim for your "Words of Wisdom".

 

Mac


  _  


  _  


 

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Feb 3, 2019 4:28 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Make a "Split Nut" 



I agree Tim 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Krause
Sent: Sunday, 3 February 2019 8:01 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut"

 

Joe in NY made a batch of split nut a while back.  You all might want to ask 
for availability second.  My first supplier would be Legacy so they will keep 
making the parts needed for our machines. 

Tim

On Feb 2, 2019, at 8:22 AM, MWF  wrote:

Thank you, Tim.

Mac


  _  


-Original Message- 
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Feb 2, 2019 8:05 AM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut" 

I have a buddy up here in Minnesota that has a CNC and I shot him an email to 
see if this something he can create. Hopefully I hear something back from him 
this morning. 

 

kind regards,

 

Tim of ZWW

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 11:23:26 AM UTC-5, Va Oak wrote:

Hello all,
I am not sure how well a split nut made from HDPE will hold up - but here is my 
2-cents' worth:
HDPE (Look on bottom of plastic jugs, bottles, etc for the Recycle symbol w/the 
#2) is the only plastic that I know of that we can "re-purpose" at home.
Do an Internet/BING search for this - you'll be amazed.

I find that the plastic Folgers and Maxwell House coffee canisters are labeled 
#2 - as are most milk jugs.  The two coffee brands yield red and blue plastic 
respectively.
My thought is that you embed a matching Acme rod into the mold you melt the #2 
plastic in. Once cooled, you should be able to "unscrew" the rod from the 
plastic billet.  You then cut/machine the billet to the exterior measurements 
you need and then split it down the 

Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[Tim Ziegler]

Good morning Ray,

Did you see my response to the question of the Rails"?

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 9:43 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:

> Thanks much.  This is very helpful.  If not too much of an imposition l
> could use your reference on the aluminum rail source.
>
> Thanks again for your feedback.  Much appreciated!
>
> Ray
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 3, 2019, at 12:12 PM, MWF  wrote:
>
> To all,
>
> I, too, agree with Tim.  As long as we LOM Owners show Legacy that we need
> and are willing to buy parts for our LOMs - it increases the likelihood
> that they will be willing to make parts for our "Legacy" (In this case
> meaning no longer in production.) Mills.
>
> Thanks you Tim for your "Words of Wisdom".
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Bulkeley
> Sent: Feb 3, 2019 4:28 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Make a "Split Nut"
>
> I agree Tim
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Tim Krause
> *Sent:* Sunday, 3 February 2019 8:01 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Make a "Split Nut"
>
>
>
> Joe in NY made a batch of split nut a while back.  You all might want to
> ask for availability second.  My first supplier would be Legacy so they
> will keep making the parts needed for our machines.
>
> Tim
>
> On Feb 2, 2019, at 8:22 AM, MWF  wrote:
>
> Thank you, Tim.
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Feb 2, 2019 8:05 AM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut"
>
> I have a buddy up here in Minnesota that has a CNC and I shot him an email
> to see if this something he can create. Hopefully I hear something back
> from him this morning.
>
>
>
> kind regards,
>
>
>
> Tim of ZWW
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 11:23:26 AM UTC-5, Va Oak wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> I am not sure how well a split nut made from HDPE will hold up - but here
> is my 2-cents' worth:
> HDPE (Look on bottom of plastic jugs, bottles, etc for the Recycle symbol
> w/the #2) is the only plastic that I know of that we can "re-purpose" at
> home.
> Do an Internet/BING search for this - you'll be amazed.
>
> I find that the plastic Folgers and Maxwell House coffee canisters are
> labeled #2 - as are most milk jugs.  The two coffee brands yield red and
> blue plastic respectively.
> My thought is that you embed a matching Acme rod into the mold you melt
> the #2 plastic in. Once cooled, you should be able to "unscrew" the rod
> from the plastic billet.  You then cut/machine the billet to the exterior
> measurements you need and then split it down the center line.  "Machining"
> can be done with your router, bandsaw, etc.
>
> Does anyone have an idea of how well the #2 plastic (HDPE) will hold up?
> Even if it wears down after 6 months of use - you will be able to reuse
> that worn out piece, with some added #2 plastic, and melt/mold a new
> piece.  If your mold & billet is long enough, you can produce a
> year's-worth in one mold.
>
> If anyone tries this - or something similar, please share pictures and
> results.
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Sent: Aug 3, 2017 10:00 AM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Subject: Re: Wood Chuck Tour by Mike Pung
>
> i'll offer an opinion here, as this could have been a problem for me on my
> recently acquired 1500...the problem is, due to the action/movement of the
> lead screw, the threads in the split nut wear sideways, especially when
> using a drive motor...think of each cross section of thread as a square(see
> photo)...I measured the cross section of the thread(in a new nut) to be
> .140" wide...in the photo of the worn nut, that same dimension is down to
> .065...so you could say the thread went from 1/8" full(new) to 1/16"...and
> sanding the nut down is not going to improve the function of the nut, in my
> opinion...maybe early on you can sand the nut to get a bit more life out of
> it, but that's it...the key to solving this problem is finding the 5/8-4
> acme thread tap...once you have the tap, to make a new split nut is
> somewhat simple...and anyone who has that "hinged" split nut, I would swap
> that out and set up a sliding split nut...much more problematic to make
> that hinged split nut...so, if any member knows where to get that tap, here
> or overseas, please let the group know...I certainly would like to purchase
> one...barring that, I would also attempt to make a tap from some acme,
> threaded rod, if I had to...and the casting idea is also an excellent
> idea...joe b.
>
>
>
>
> 

Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[Tim Ziegler]

Good morning all,
As promised

Being fairly new on this I did a lot of digging as I did not want to jump
in with out first knowing more about
components, and their availability. Even when I went after the predecessor
the WC I dug until my head hurt. (Mike Pung and I had many discussions.)
Later joining the forum I got to know Curtis George. I had many more
discussions with Curtis George. Thanks again for so much support Curt &
Mike.
So once I found the 1200 LOM and talked to Cindy from LOM, extensively she
gave me the company's name of where we can still get rails etc...
I'm not exactly sure how to verify the rail style as you mentioned some are
different then others.
So the company is 80-20 inc.
web site is www.80-20inc.com
https://8020.net
844-802-0932 phone
servi...@80-20inc.com

Big boys dream from what I can see. You can even buy it by the foot so in
my case I'm going to make the small piece support for running narrow
moulding.
Hope this helps someone.

Kind regards,
Tim of ZWWS

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:28 AM Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

> I thought the aluminium legacy rails for the manual mills were
> discontinued being made. On some of the cnc mills the rail is different
>
> When looking make sure it’s the rail you want and not something just
> similar. if it truly is the old legacy rail I’m sure many here would be
> interested in where it can be purchased.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 February 2019 2:44 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy
>
>
>
> Thanks much.  This is very helpful.  If not too much of an imposition l
> could use your reference on the aluminum rail source.
>
>
>
> Thanks again for your feedback.  Much appreciated!
>
>
>
> Ray
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2019, at 12:12 PM, MWF  wrote:
>
> To all,
>
>
>
> I, too, agree with Tim.  As long as we LOM Owners show Legacy that we need
> and are willing to buy parts for our LOMs - it increases the likelihood
> that they will be willing to make parts for our "Legacy" (In this case
> meaning no longer in production.) Mills.
>
>
>
> Thanks you Tim for your "Words of Wisdom".
>
>
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Bulkeley
> Sent: Feb 3, 2019 4:28 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Make a "Split Nut"
>
>
> I agree Tim
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Tim Krause
> *Sent:* Sunday, 3 February 2019 8:01 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Make a "Split Nut"
>
>
>
> Joe in NY made a batch of split nut a while back.  You all might want to
> ask for availability second.  My first supplier would be Legacy so they
> will keep making the parts needed for our machines.
>
> Tim
>
> On Feb 2, 2019, at 8:22 AM, MWF  wrote:
>
> Thank you, Tim.
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Feb 2, 2019 8:05 AM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut"
>
> I have a buddy up here in Minnesota that has a CNC and I shot him an email
> to see if this something he can create. Hopefully I hear something back
> from him this morning.
>
>
>
> kind regards,
>
>
>
> Tim of ZWW
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 11:23:26 AM UTC-5, Va Oak wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> I am not sure how well a split nut made from HDPE will hold up - but here
> is my 2-cents' worth:
> HDPE (Look on bottom of plastic jugs, bottles, etc for the Recycle symbol
> w/the #2) is the only plastic that I know of that we can "re-purpose" at
> home.
> Do an Internet/BING search for this - you'll be amazed.
>
> I find that the plastic Folgers and Maxwell House coffee canisters are
> labeled #2 - as are most milk jugs.  The two coffee brands yield red and
> blue plastic respectively.
> My thought is that you embed a matching Acme rod into the mold you melt
> the #2 plastic in. Once cooled, you should be able to "unscrew" the rod
> from the plastic billet.  You then cut/machine the billet to the exterior
> measurements you need and then split it down the center line.  "Machining"
> can be done with your router, bandsaw, etc.
>
> Does anyone have an idea of how well the #2 plastic (HDPE) will hold up?
> Even if it wears down after 6 months of use - you will be able to reuse
> that worn out piece, with some added #2 plastic, and melt/mold a new
> piece.  If your mold & billet is long enough, you can produce a
> year's-worth in one mold.
>
> If anyone tries this - or something similar, please share pictures and
> results.
>
> Mac
> 

Re: New Horseshoe canes

[Tim Ziegler]

Hey Mac that sounds pretty neat! Could you share more detail on that? My
wife is into making things look old and that
might be a pretty cool process.
I'm open to discuss one on one if you'd like as well as posting?
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 12:45 AM MWF  wrote:

> Curtis,
> Thank you for sharing.  Really nice.  They remind me of a long-handled
> cudgel.  You could put "the Hurt" on someone with them!
>
> I read a neat technique to apply to steel (like your horse shoes):
> Heat the steel up to being very hot - but not red.  Brush on linseed oil,
> rub it in, and lightly buff.
> The effect:  The steel is left with a black patina look.  Very nice - and
> somewhat easy.
>
> Be Safe (and handle the torch and hot horse shoes VERY carefully!) and
> have fun.
>
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Sent: Feb 5, 2019 12:21 AM
> To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills
> Subject: New Horseshoe canes
>
> Hello Everyone
> I had a weekend with out having to work, Which means, I got time in the
> shop this weekend. ;-)
>
> Here are two new canes that I made, the horseshoe can handles are
> something that Ive been playing around with. (as something new, for me to
> try.)
> the first one I used the wave attachment, with a roughing end mill bit,
> cutting from the side. The second one, I played with some stringed buttons
> look.
> the buttons are on a 15" pitch, ( I used Mike's gear indexing method to
> set up the buttons.) It worked out Neat !
>
> Please let me know what you think?
>
> C.A.G.
> [image: Inline image]
> [image: Inline image]
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