Re: [LegacyUG] How to find " East Ealing " in an event if my tree ?

[Cathy Pinner]

Valerie,

You can use a Detailed Search. It depends whether you are wanting to 
find it in an Event Place field or Event Description or Event Notes or 
all three.


Search > Find > Detailed Search
Individual    Event-Place   contains   East Ealing
OR
Individual   Event-Description contains   East Ealing
OR
Individual   Event-Notes  contains   East Ealing

The crucial bit is to use Contains for How to look
Whether you need all 3 conditions depends on where you think it is. Also 
note the OR between the various conditions.


Cathy


Brian Kelly 
Tuesday, 6 August 2019 10:05 AM
Go to View > Master Lists > Location
Find East Ealing in the location list
On the right you will see who uses that location.
When you click on a name, where tat person uses the location will be 
shown below the right side edit button.


You can use that edit button to edit the person and see all their data 
so if a person has East Ealing in an event you will see which event 
applies.


Brian Kelly



Valerie Garton 
Tuesday, 6 August 2019 9:20 AM

Is this possible please ?

Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney






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Re: [LegacyUG] Sharing Master Source and Source detail with other individuals and events

[Cathy Pinner]

Ian,

If your Basic source citation is a good format there is absolutely no 
need to redo it.
Moving to SourceWriter sources is a long and painful process if you have 
lots of sources.
I still have some Basic sources to redo but only because they were done 
poorly at the time years and years ago.


The SourceWriter is useful to give you a better citation and more idea 
of what you should be recording but it's still just an aid to good 
sourcing which can be done in Basic style though it's more difficult to 
be consistent in Basic.


Remember that all SourceWriter sources are converted to Basic style in a 
Gedcom. That's normally fine for the templates I use but for some it 
doesn't work so well. So consider your output and check.


Cathy


irhock...@xtra.co.nz 
Tuesday, 6 August 2019 9:44 AM
Thanks Cathy,

I am watching the Source writer webinar at the moment, so will play with
your method later this pm.

Normally I would add the source to everyone at the same time, when 
entering

data, but I am doing a clean up at the moment, so re doing some old
citations first, before I move over to the Source Writer from the Basic
format.

Ian


-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup  On 
Behalf Of

Cathy Pinner
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:16 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sharing Master Source and Source detail with other
individuals and events

Ian,

Are you using the Source Clipboard? Once the source is on the 
clipboard with

the detail you want, you can apply it to whoever you want, whichever filed
you want. I leave Prompt for Detail checked to make sure I'm applying the
right detail and right Master source. But I don't have to refill it. I 
just

use it. I consider the extra click worthwhile for accuracy.

If I've used another source in between then I need to go to the Assigned
Sources page for someone I did use that Master Source and Source 
Detail and
copy that source with it's detail to the Source Clipboard again so I 
can use

it again (see copy icon lower left).

Alternatively, if I realise I will be using that Master Source AND the
source detail again but want to use another source right now, I can Save
both Master Source and Detail to the list of 10 quick access sources.
However, I normally save clipboard without the detail to that list. When
you've saved a Source there (and it doesn't matter if the Master Source is
Basic or SourceWriter, you can load it onto the clipboard either using the
Load button or right click on the Source Clipboard triangle and choose the
one you need.

Cathy




Cathy Pinner 
Tuesday, 6 August 2019 9:15 AM
Ian,

Are you using the Source Clipboard? Once the source is on the 
clipboard with the detail you want, you can apply it to whoever you 
want, whichever filed you want. I leave Prompt for Detail checked to 
make sure I'm applying the right detail and right Master source. But I 
don't have to refill it. I just use it. I consider the extra click 
worthwhile for accuracy.


If I've used another source in between then I need to go to the 
Assigned Sources page for someone I did use that Master Source and 
Source Detail and copy that source with it's detail to the Source 
Clipboard again so I can use it again (see copy icon lower left).


Alternatively, if I realise I will be using that Master Source AND the 
source detail again but want to use another source right now, I can 
Save both Master Source and Detail to the list of 10 quick access 
sources. However, I normally save clipboard without the detail to that 
list. When you've saved a Source there (and it doesn't matter if the 
Master Source is Basic or SourceWriter, you can load it onto the 
clipboard either using the Load button or right click on the Source 
Clipboard triangle and choose the one you need.


Cathy



irhock...@xtra.co.nz 
Tuesday, 6 August 2019 8:17 AM
Yes, but I thought the idea was to have one Master source - eg: A 
Church marriage from the same Church, but different details for each 
couple.
Works fine for each set of couples, but not when I want to attach one 
to each of the named parents!


Similar with one Master Source for the New Zealand Birth Register - 
with hundreds of individuals and different details for each one but 
cannot attach to their parents who are referenced on the register.


Same for a census with up to 12 members in the same family recorded on 
the same page.


Ian

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup  On 
Behalf Of Brian Kelly

Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:44 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sharing Master Source and Source detail with 
other individuals and events


There is a check box in the lower left of the source clipboard source 
details screen that says "Prompt for Detail".


That check box tells Legacy you may want to edit the details each time 
you are applying the source. If you do not want to edit just click 

Re: [LegacyUG] Sharing Master Source and Source detail with other individuals and events SOLVED

[irhocking]

Hi Cathy,

Thanks for your solution, I had not seen the copy icon before, as I did not 
have the Assigned Sources screen in full screen mode. Worked perfectly.

I will gradually convert my old Basic Sources to Source Writer as I update and 
add individuals to my tree.   

Kindest regards,

Ian


Thanks Cathy,

I am watching the Source writer webinar at the moment, so will play with your 
method later this pm.

Normally I would add the source to everyone at the same time, when entering 
data, but I am doing a clean-up at the moment, so re doing some old citations 
first, before I move over to the Source Writer from the Basic format.

Ian

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Cathy Pinner
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:16 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sharing Master Source and Source detail with other 
individuals and events

Ian,

Are you using the Source Clipboard? Once the source is on the clipboard with 
the detail you want, you can apply it to whoever you want, whichever filed you 
want. I leave Prompt for Detail checked to make sure I'm applying the right 
detail and right Master source. But I don't have to refill it. I just use it. I 
consider the extra click worthwhile for accuracy.

If I've used another source in between then I need to go to the Assigned 
Sources page for someone I did use that Master Source and Source Detail and 
copy that source with it's detail to the Source Clipboard again so I can use it 
again (see copy icon lower left).

Alternatively, if I realise I will be using that Master Source AND the source 
detail again but want to use another source right now, I can Save both Master 
Source and Detail to the list of 10 quick access sources. 
However, I normally save clipboard without the detail to that list. When you've 
saved a Source there (and it doesn't matter if the Master Source is Basic or 
SourceWriter, you can load it onto the clipboard either using the Load button 
or right click on the Source Clipboard triangle and choose the one you need.

Cathy


> irhock...@xtra.co.nz 
> Tuesday, 6 August 2019 8:17 AM
> Yes, but I thought the idea was to have one Master source - eg: A 
> Church marriage from the same Church, but different details for each 
> couple.
> Works fine for each set of couples, but not when I want to attach one 
> to each of the named parents!
>
> Similar with one Master Source for the New Zealand Birth Register - 
> with hundreds of individuals and different details for each one but 
> cannot attach to their parents who are referenced on the register.
>
> Same for a census with up to 12 members in the same family recorded on 
> the same page.
>
> Ian
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup  On 
> Behalf Of Brian Kelly
> Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:44 AM
> To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sharing Master Source and Source detail with 
> other individuals and events
>
> There is a check box in the lower left of the source clipboard source 
> details screen that says "Prompt for Detail".
>
> That check box tells Legacy you may want to edit the details each time 
> you are applying the source. If you do not want to edit just click 
> Save and the same details will be applied. No need to recreate new 
> details.
>
> If you are certain you will never want to change the details when 
> sharing remove the check from the box and you can apply the source 
> without being given the details to edit. Every save will use the same 
> details.
>
> Brian Kelly
>
> Brian Kelly 
> Tuesday, 6 August 2019 7:44 AM
> There is a check box in the lower left of the source clipboard source 
> details screen that says "Prompt for Detail".
>
> That check box tells Legacy you may want to edit the details each time 
> you are applying the source. If you do not want to edit just click 
> Save and the same details will be applied. No need to recreate new 
> details.
>
> If you are certain you will never want to change the details when 
> sharing remove the check from the box and you can apply the source 
> without being given the details to edit. Every save will use the same 
> details.
>
> Brian Kelly
>
>
>
> irhock...@xtra.co.nz 
> Tuesday, 6 August 2019 6:13 AM
>
>


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Re: [LegacyUG] How to find " East Ealing " in an event if my tree ?

[Brian Kelly]

Go to View > Master Lists > Location
Find East Ealing in the location list
On the right you will see who uses that location.
When you click on a name, where tat person uses the location will be 
shown below the right side edit button.


You can use that edit button to edit the person and see all their data 
so if a person has East Ealing in an event you will see which event applies.


Brian Kelly

On 05-Aug.-19 9:20 p.m., Valerie Garton wrote:

Is this possible please ?

Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sharing Master Source and Source detail with other individuals and events

[irhocking]

Thanks Cathy,

I am watching the Source writer webinar at the moment, so will play with
your method later this pm.

Normally I would add the source to everyone at the same time, when entering
data, but I am doing a clean up at the moment, so re doing some old
citations first, before I move over to the Source Writer from the Basic
format.

Ian


-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of
Cathy Pinner
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:16 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sharing Master Source and Source detail with other
individuals and events

Ian,

Are you using the Source Clipboard? Once the source is on the clipboard with
the detail you want, you can apply it to whoever you want, whichever filed
you want. I leave Prompt for Detail checked to make sure I'm applying the
right detail and right Master source. But I don't have to refill it. I just
use it. I consider the extra click worthwhile for accuracy.

If I've used another source in between then I need to go to the Assigned
Sources page for someone I did use that Master Source and Source Detail and
copy that source with it's detail to the Source Clipboard again so I can use
it again (see copy icon lower left).

Alternatively, if I realise I will be using that Master Source AND the
source detail again but want to use another source right now, I can Save
both Master Source and Detail to the list of 10 quick access sources. 
However, I normally save clipboard without the detail to that list. When
you've saved a Source there (and it doesn't matter if the Master Source is
Basic or SourceWriter, you can load it onto the clipboard either using the
Load button or right click on the Source Clipboard triangle and choose the
one you need.

Cathy


> irhock...@xtra.co.nz 
> Tuesday, 6 August 2019 8:17 AM
> Yes, but I thought the idea was to have one Master source - eg: A 
> Church marriage from the same Church, but different details for each 
> couple.
> Works fine for each set of couples, but not when I want to attach one 
> to each of the named parents!
>
> Similar with one Master Source for the New Zealand Birth Register - 
> with hundreds of individuals and different details for each one but 
> cannot attach to their parents who are referenced on the register.
>
> Same for a census with up to 12 members in the same family recorded on 
> the same page.
>
> Ian
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup  On 
> Behalf Of Brian Kelly
> Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:44 AM
> To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sharing Master Source and Source detail with 
> other individuals and events
>
> There is a check box in the lower left of the source clipboard source 
> details screen that says "Prompt for Detail".
>
> That check box tells Legacy you may want to edit the details each time 
> you are applying the source. If you do not want to edit just click 
> Save and the same details will be applied. No need to recreate new 
> details.
>
> If you are certain you will never want to change the details when 
> sharing remove the check from the box and you can apply the source 
> without being given the details to edit. Every save will use the same 
> details.
>
> Brian Kelly
>
> Brian Kelly 
> Tuesday, 6 August 2019 7:44 AM
> There is a check box in the lower left of the source clipboard source 
> details screen that says "Prompt for Detail".
>
> That check box tells Legacy you may want to edit the details each time 
> you are applying the source. If you do not want to edit just click 
> Save and the same details will be applied. No need to recreate new 
> details.
>
> If you are certain you will never want to change the details when 
> sharing remove the check from the box and you can apply the source 
> without being given the details to edit. Every save will use the same 
> details.
>
> Brian Kelly
>
>
>
> irhock...@xtra.co.nz 
> Tuesday, 6 August 2019 6:13 AM
>
>


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Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

[CE WOOD]

Returns? Do have dreams at night too?

​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
dwq...@gmail.com 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 5:55 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania


Andrew – You can still enter lat/long in Legacy.  I get them from Google Earth 
Pro.  That way they will be there when the geo-mapping feature returns.



Don Quigley

1207 Huntington Lane

Safety Harbor, FL 34695

(H) 727-330-7030

(M) 925-367-5609

dwq...@gmail.com



From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Andrew Robbie
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2019 11:32 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania



One thing that would really, really help here is Legacy resurrecting their 
geo-mapping feature.  Lat/Long never lies…  Forget excuses about this API or 
that API changing.  Just fix it.



☺



Andrew



From: LegacyUserGroup 
mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
 On Behalf Of Elizabeth Lindsay
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2019 10:48 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania



Unless your research is always going to be limited to only one country, it is 
really helpful to use the full name whenever possible.

Throughout the world, the abbreviations used for cities, towns, counties and 
states, and even some countries, can be confusing. I live in Western Australia, 
and the accepted postal address for the state specifies “WA”, but that is 
evidently also an acronym for Washington, as well as Wenatchee, Namibia, 
Warrington [UK], Westford Academy[MA], Westford Academy [Texas], Westminster 
Academy, and so on – all of which could potentially form part of an address.

I agree that using the name at the time of the event is most helpful and other 
information can be added as an alternative, or in notes.

While it can be frustrating to have to revise one’s ideas and practices, the 
more we conform to the accepted international standard, the easier we make 
things for those we share research with, now or in the future. I started 
genealogy so long ago, I only had boxes and paper files to work with. When the 
time came to enter all the data into a computer, it was really daunting, but I 
managed. As the computer programs became more complex, I have had to keep 
improving my skills and data entry – again, daunting and time-consuming, but 
the brain is being challenged and recording the information is getting easier, 
so I remain grateful☺



From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Shirley Crampton
Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 12:18 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania



The problem with using the abbreviation for a state is that another country may 
use the same abbreviation which will be confusing.  eg: CA could be California 
or Canada.  I have heard people in Australia say that they have no idea what 
the two-letter abbreviations for US states mean.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

[CE WOOD]

If you are posting in plain text, there is no way other than to use capitals 
for emphasis. There is no way to "bold", "underline", "highlight", et alia,  
leaving capitals as the only option.

​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
John Cardinal 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 11:44 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania


It's not a scream. All-caps for a single word in a sentence is typically used 
to indicate strong emphasis of the given word. But you knew that.



I'm with Michele: I wish this thread would STOP. Unfortunately, it's not up to 
me.



From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Bill Hoff
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 11:42 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania



You scream often?

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 4, 2019, at 11:38 PM, Michele Morrison 
mailto:michele25m...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Could we PLEASE stop this Pennsylvania thread, and just move on?


Michele
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[LegacyUG] How to find " East Ealing " in an event if my tree ?

[Valerie Garton]

Is this possible please ?

 

Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs residence

[Cathy Pinner]

I agree with Christopher.

It may be different in the US where some censuses give you information 
about the ownership etc but in the UK the census was taken over a 
weekend and you were enumerated where you were. You may only have been 
there on census night. Even if the whole family was at the same place, 
if they were poor they may have been somewhere else the following week.


Cathy

Christopher Seward Sr. 
Tuesday, 6 August 2019 1:47 AM

Steve,

Technically speaking - a census is an event, that has both a residence 
and a date (useful for getting approximate ages). It cannot be assumed 
that the census residence is necessarily the residence of the person 
on the census.


My grandfather was a perfect example. He was down the street visiting 
his grandparents when the census worker came by.  He was included in 
the list of persons living in that home, but it as not his residence.  
It just so happened that he was at HIS home when a census worker 
stopped there.  He is listed on both records.


All that to say this: A census is en event, but it is not always a 
record of the person's residence.


Christopher

On 8/5/2019 11:19 AM, Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup wrote:

 
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Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup 


Tuesday, 6 August 2019 12:19 AM
Legacy 9 Census vs residence
*Legacy 9 searches FamilySearch and a lot of the census is listed as 
residence*
I have so many listed as residence and census, which is the 
preferred thru the Legacy User Group

IUt is going to take a lot of time away form research.
Is they a way to change all residence to census.
Thanks
Steve Ostheimer





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Re: [LegacyUG] Sharing Master Source and Source detail with other individuals and events

[Cathy Pinner]

Ian,

Are you using the Source Clipboard? Once the source is on the clipboard 
with the detail you want, you can apply it to whoever you want, 
whichever filed you want. I leave Prompt for Detail checked to make sure 
I'm applying the right detail and right Master source. But I don't have 
to refill it. I just use it. I consider the extra click worthwhile for 
accuracy.


If I've used another source in between then I need to go to the Assigned 
Sources page for someone I did use that Master Source and Source Detail 
and copy that source with it's detail to the Source Clipboard again so I 
can use it again (see copy icon lower left).


Alternatively, if I realise I will be using that Master Source AND the 
source detail again but want to use another source right now, I can Save 
both Master Source and Detail to the list of 10 quick access sources. 
However, I normally save clipboard without the detail to that list. When 
you've saved a Source there (and it doesn't matter if the Master Source 
is Basic or SourceWriter, you can load it onto the clipboard either 
using the Load button or right click on the Source Clipboard triangle 
and choose the one you need.


Cathy



irhock...@xtra.co.nz 
Tuesday, 6 August 2019 8:17 AM
Yes, but I thought the idea was to have one Master source - eg: A 
Church marriage from the same Church, but different details for each 
couple.
Works fine for each set of couples, but not when I want to attach one 
to each of the named parents!


Similar with one Master Source for the New Zealand Birth Register - 
with hundreds of individuals and different details for each one but 
cannot attach to their parents who are referenced on the register.


Same for a census with up to 12 members in the same family recorded on 
the same page.


Ian

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup  On 
Behalf Of Brian Kelly

Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:44 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sharing Master Source and Source detail with 
other individuals and events


There is a check box in the lower left of the source clipboard source 
details screen that says "Prompt for Detail".


That check box tells Legacy you may want to edit the details each time 
you are applying the source. If you do not want to edit just click 
Save and the same details will be applied. No need to recreate new 
details.


If you are certain you will never want to change the details when 
sharing remove the check from the box and you can apply the source 
without being given the details to edit. Every save will use the same 
details.


Brian Kelly

Brian Kelly 
Tuesday, 6 August 2019 7:44 AM
There is a check box in the lower left of the source clipboard source 
details screen that says "Prompt for Detail".


That check box tells Legacy you may want to edit the details each time 
you are applying the source. If you do not want to edit just click 
Save and the same details will be applied. No need to recreate new 
details.


If you are certain you will never want to change the details when 
sharing remove the check from the box and you can apply the source 
without being given the details to edit. Every save will use the same 
details.


Brian Kelly



irhock...@xtra.co.nz 
Tuesday, 6 August 2019 6:13 AM





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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Sentence

[Cathy Pinner]

Jenny,

You aren't using a Description field so make sure you've put the Event 
Sentence code you created in the right place - Date and Place only. It's 
working fine for me.

Your date should be entered "from 26 August 1907 to 18 December 1908"

Cathy


Brian Kelly 
Tuesday, 6 August 2019 6:19 AM
The fact that Legacy does not use the "From" to precede a date range 
when [fromDate] is used is the problem you should enter in Mantis. I 
can confirm that with a date to date format the sentence does not use 
"From date to date".


Brian Kelly



Jenny M Benson 
Tuesday, 6 August 2019 2:59 AM


Ah!  Should have thought of that.

However ... I've corrected my input to use space-to-space instead of 
the hyphen I was using and now I don't get any prefix to the dates!   
So can I only have either a date range or a from date, but not a "from 
date to date"?


Brian Kelly 
Tuesday, 6 August 2019 2:40 AM
Jenny,

The format you used for the date range is not in the list of 
acceptable formats. That may explain why Legacy is not using the 
correct sentence.


Here is an extract from the help topic 9-1077 on entering dates.
Date Ranges

If you need to enter a range of dates, Legacy recognizes the following 
formats:


To
12 Dec 1888 to 6 Jan 1889
1888 to 1892
7 Jun to 9 Jun 1888
12 Dec to 15 Dec 1800

From / To
From 12 Dec 1888 to 6 Jan 1889
From 1888 to 1892
From Dec 1800 to 13 Dec 1805
From 23 Dec 1800 to Oct 1805
From 12 Dec to 15 Dec 1800

Between / and
Between 12 Dec 1888 and 6 Jan 1889
Between 1500 and April 1600
Between 1 and 12 Feb 1658

Brian Kelly



Jenny M Benson 
Tuesday, 6 August 2019 12:39 AM
I edited the Event Sentence for Education so that if only Date and 
Place were entered, the sentence reads [fromDate] [HeShe] attended 
[Place].[Sources][CR][Notes].


I input the date as 26 August 1907-18 December 1908 and the location 
of the school but the Sentence reads "on 26 August 1907-18 December 
1908 she attended Owler Lane Junior School, Sheffield, Yorkshire, 
England."


Can others duplicate this error in dating?  If so, I will report it as 
a bug.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Sharing Master Source and Source detail with other individuals and events

[irhocking]

Yes, but I thought the idea was to have one Master source - eg:  A Church 
marriage from the same Church, but different details for each couple. 
Works fine for each set of couples, but not when I want to attach one to each 
of the named parents! 

Similar with one Master Source for the New Zealand Birth Register - with 
hundreds of individuals and different details for each one but cannot attach to 
their parents who are referenced on the register.

Same for a census with up to 12 members in the same family recorded on the same 
page.

Ian

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Brian Kelly
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:44 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sharing Master Source and Source detail with other 
individuals and events

There is a check box in the lower left of the source clipboard source details 
screen that says "Prompt for Detail".

That check box tells Legacy you may want to edit the details each time you are 
applying the source. If you do not want to edit just click Save and the same 
details will be applied. No need to recreate new details.

If you are certain you will never want to change the details when sharing 
remove the check from the box and you can apply the source without being given 
the details to edit. Every save will use the same details.

Brian Kelly

On 05-Aug.-19 6:13 p.m., irhock...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
> I have been using the Basic Source for years and have been able to
> attach the same source to multiple individuals and events without
> any issue. (I have thousands of Master Sources with similar - but
> not the same – details)
> 
> Today I have tried using the Source writer for the first time, which
> is working as advertised – however I cannot attach/share the _same
> Master source and same detail_ to other individuals or events
> without being forced to re-create a new source detail each time.
> 
> Getting frustrated ☹
> 
> Any suggestions.
> Cheers,
> Ian Hocking, Christchurch , New Zealand

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sharing Master Source and Source detail with other individuals and events

[Brian Kelly]

There is a check box in the lower left of the source clipboard source 
details screen that says "Prompt for Detail".


That check box tells Legacy you may want to edit the details each time 
you are applying the source. If you do not want to edit just click Save 
and the same details will be applied. No need to recreate new details.


If you are certain you will never want to change the details when 
sharing remove the check from the box and you can apply the source 
without being given the details to edit. Every save will use the same 
details.


Brian Kelly

On 05-Aug.-19 6:13 p.m., irhock...@xtra.co.nz wrote:

I have been using the Basic Source for years and have been able to
attach the same source to multiple individuals and events without
any issue. (I have thousands of Master Sources with similar - but
not the same – details)

Today I have tried using the Source writer for the first time, which
is working as advertised – however I cannot attach/share the _same
Master source and same detail_ to other individuals or events
without being forced to re-create a new source detail each time.

Getting frustrated ☹

Any suggestions.
Cheers,
Ian Hocking, Christchurch , New Zealand


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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Sentence

[Brian Kelly]

The fact that Legacy does not use the "From" to precede a date range 
when [fromDate] is used is the problem you should enter in Mantis. I can 
confirm that with a date to date format the sentence does not use "From 
date to date".


Brian Kelly

On 05-Aug.-19 2:59 p.m., Jenny M Benson wrote:

On 05-Aug-19 07:40 PM, Brian Kelly wrote:
The format you used for the date range is not in the list of 
acceptable formats. That may explain why Legacy is not using the 
correct sentence.


Here is an extract from the help topic 9-1077 on entering dates.
Date Ranges

If you need to enter a range of dates, Legacy recognizes the following 
formats:


To
12 Dec 1888 to 6 Jan 1889


Ah!  Should have thought of that.

However ... I've corrected my input to use space-to-space instead of the 
hyphen I was using and now I don't get any prefix to the dates!   So can 
I only have either a date range or a from date, but not a "from date to 
date"?




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[LegacyUG] Sharing Master Source and Source detail with other individuals and events

[irhocking]

 I have been using the Basic Source for years and have been able to attach the 
same source to multiple individuals and events without any issue. (I have 
thousands of Master Sources with similar - but not the same – details) 

Today I have tried using the Source writer for the first time, which is working 
as advertised – however I cannot attach/share the same Master source and same 
detail to other individuals or events without being forced to re-create a new 
source detail each time.

Getting frustrated ☹ 

Any suggestions.

Cheers,

Ian Hocking, Christchurch , New Zealand

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Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

[Scott Hall]

Logan:

This may be the best answer of all.  I like it.  I, too, will rethink how
I'm recording place names given your response to me.

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 12:39 PM Logan Garth Swanger via LegacyUserGroup <
legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> wrote:

> I’ve been lurking on this conversation for some time as I too have been
> frustrated with how to enter place names, particularly those of
> Pennsylvania (where I and most of my ancestor have lived). For my two
> cents, here is how I have handled it.
>
>
>
> I do a great deal of courthouse research and most documents deal with
> legally incorporated geographical entities in Pennsylvania such as cities,
> boroughs, townships, and counties. I do several things
>
>
>
>1. I use place names as they were AT THE TIME OF THE EVENT which helps
>greatly with research.
>2. I organize my places as (township, or city, or borough), county,
>state, country.
>3. If an event occurred in a village, as they are unincorporated in
>Pennsylvania, I use the incorporated township in which the village is
>located and notate the village name in the description. (I do the same with
>cemeteries.)
>
>
>
> So, Scott, with reference to your illustration from Lycoming County, an
> event which happened in Muncy Township would have a different organization
> than one that occurred in Muncy, the borough. They would successively be:
>
> Muncy Township, Lycoming, Pennsylvania, United States
>
> Muncy, Lycoming, Pennsylvania, United States
>
>
>
> I realize this doesn’t totally solve the issues we have with entry into
> Legacy, but for me it does pretty much what I want it to. The suggestions
> and ideas on this thread are really helpful. I may have to rethink things.
>
>
>
> Logan
>
>
>
> *From: *Scott Hall 
> *Sent: *Sunday, August 4, 2019 10:53 AM
> *To: *Legacy User Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania
>
>
>
> I wanted to chime into this conversation because I find entering place
> names to be a challenge as well, and Pennsylvania is a perfect example.
>
>
>
> First, I concur with those who say enter the place name as it was at the
> time of the event.  Those who enter the modern address and add the historic
> address in the notes have an interesting alternative, but it's not the
> preferred method as place names (even modern ones) can change.
>
>
>
> But, that's not really what I wanted to talk about.  Early on I discovered
> a challenge when more than one "root name" exists within a larger
> administrative division.  For example, in Lycoming County, there is both
> Muncy Township, and Muncy, a borough.  Muncy, the borough, is part of Muncy
> Creek Township, not Muncy Township.  This is far from an isolated case --
> numerous counties in Pennsylvania have a township and a borough with the
> same name that are separate administrative divisions and where the borough
> is not located within the township.
>
>
>
> Now, the commonly accepted place recording convention, as far as I
> understand it, is that descriptors like village, town, county, etc. are not
> recorded unless officially part of the name.  Even New York City should be
> recorded as "New York" with the appropriate county (New York, Bronx,
> Richmond, etc.) recorded--but that's a different discussion.
>
>
>
> Back to Pennsylvaniawhen you come across a record that simply says
> "Muncy", which Muncy is it?  Let's say you can figure it out...you know
> it's the Township.  Now, generally you'd record it as Muncy, Lycoming,
> Pennsylvania, USA -- but if you do, when you (or someone else) comes back
> to it -- which Muncy did you mean?
>
>
>
> So, to solve this problem, I've started to include the word "Township" in
> the record -- "Muncy Township, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA".  And,
> of course, that means I also have to use "Borough" -- "Muncy Borough,
> Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA".  But what if Muncy was a city?  Would
> I enter "Muncy City, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania"?  Or perhaps, "Muncy
> (city), Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA"?  I'd prefer not.
>
>
>
> Perhaps only Townships should get that designation, as generally I found
> that they are the one entity that tends to bear the same name as another
> administrative division.  But in much of the northeast, like New York,
> there are no townships, only towns, which often have villages or cities
> bearing the same name contained within them (e.g. Canandaigua is a city
> wholly contained with the Town of Canandaigua).  While in places like
> Pennsylvania, Michigan, or much of the midwest people may refer to a
> township by saying the word "township", in New York they certainly don't.
> No one says Canandaigua town, nor Canandaigua city.  So, same problem.
>
>
>
> This latter issue is less significant than the Pennsylvania problem,
> though, as at least one entity is contained with another.  But, in
> Pennsylvania, as I pointed out, they do not always bear this relationship.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> 

Re: [LegacyUG] Event Sentence

[Jenny M Benson]

On 05-Aug-19 07:40 PM, Brian Kelly wrote:
The format you used for the date range is not in the list of acceptable 
formats. That may explain why Legacy is not using the correct sentence.


Here is an extract from the help topic 9-1077 on entering dates.
Date Ranges

If you need to enter a range of dates, Legacy recognizes the following 
formats:


To
12 Dec 1888 to 6 Jan 1889


Ah!  Should have thought of that.

However ... I've corrected my input to use space-to-space instead of the 
hyphen I was using and now I don't get any prefix to the dates!   So can 
I only have either a date range or a from date, but not a "from date to 
date"?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

[John Cardinal]

It's not a scream. All-caps for a single word in a sentence is typically used 
to indicate strong emphasis of the given word. But you knew that.

 

I'm with Michele: I wish this thread would STOP. Unfortunately, it's not up to 
me. 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Bill Hoff
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 11:42 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

 

You scream often?

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 4, 2019, at 11:38 PM, Michele Morrison mailto:michele25m...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Could we PLEASE stop this Pennsylvania thread, and just move on?




Michele

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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Sentence

[Brian Kelly]

Jenny,

The format you used for the date range is not in the list of acceptable 
formats. That may explain why Legacy is not using the correct sentence.


Here is an extract from the help topic 9-1077 on entering dates.
Date Ranges

If you need to enter a range of dates, Legacy recognizes the following 
formats:


To
12 Dec 1888 to 6 Jan 1889
1888 to 1892
7 Jun to 9 Jun 1888
12 Dec to 15 Dec 1800

From / To
From 12 Dec 1888 to 6 Jan 1889
From 1888 to 1892
From Dec 1800 to 13 Dec 1805
From 23 Dec 1800 to Oct 1805
From 12 Dec to 15 Dec 1800

Between / and
Between 12 Dec 1888 and 6 Jan 1889
Between 1500 and April 1600
Between 1 and 12 Feb 1658

Brian Kelly

On 05-Aug.-19 12:39 p.m., Jenny M Benson wrote:
I edited the Event Sentence for Education so that if only Date and Place 
were entered, the sentence reads [fromDate] [HeShe] attended 
[Place].[Sources][CR][Notes].


I input the date as 26 August 1907-18 December 1908 and the location of 
the school but the Sentence reads "on 26 August 1907-18 December 1908 
she attended Owler Lane Junior School, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England."


Can others duplicate this error in dating?  If so, I will report it as a 
bug.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs residence

[Christopher Seward Sr.]

Steve,

Technically speaking - a census is an event, that has both a residence 
and a date (useful for getting approximate ages). It cannot be assumed 
that the census residence is necessarily the residence of the person on 
the census.


My grandfather was a perfect example. He was down the street visiting 
his grandparents when the census worker came by.  He was included in the 
list of persons living in that home, but it as not his residence.  It 
just so happened that he was at HIS home when a census worker stopped 
there.  He is listed on both records.


All that to say this: A census is en event, but it is not always a 
record of the person's residence.


Christopher

On 8/5/2019 11:19 AM, Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup wrote:

Legacy 9 Census vs residence
*Legacy 9 searches FamilySearch and a lot of the census is listed as 
residence*
I have so many listed as residence and census, which is the 
preferred thru the Legacy User Group

IUt is going to take a lot of time away form research.
Is they a way to change all residence to census.
Thanks
Steve Ostheimer




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[LegacyUG] Event Sentence

[Jenny M Benson]

I edited the Event Sentence for Education so that if only Date and Place 
were entered, the sentence reads [fromDate] [HeShe] attended 
[Place].[Sources][CR][Notes].


I input the date as 26 August 1907-18 December 1908 and the location of 
the school but the Sentence reads "on 26 August 1907-18 December 1908 
she attended Owler Lane Junior School, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England."


Can others duplicate this error in dating?  If so, I will report it as a 
bug.

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[LegacyUG] Census vs residence

[Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup]

Legacy 9 Census vs residence
 Legacy 9 searches FamilySearch and a lot of the census is listed as residence
I have so many listed as residence and census, which is the preferred thru the 
Legacy User GroupIUt is going to take a lot of time away form research.Is they 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

[Bill Hoff]

You scream often?

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 4, 2019, at 11:38 PM, Michele Morrison  wrote:
> 
> Could we PLEASE stop this Pennsylvania thread, and just move on?
> 
> Michele
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 13:32, Andrew Robbie  wrote:
>> One thing that would really, really help here is Legacy resurrecting their 
>> geo-mapping feature.  Lat/Long never lies…  Forget excuses about this API or 
>> that API changing.  Just fix it.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> J
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
>> Elizabeth Lindsay
>> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2019 10:48 PM
>> To: 'Legacy User Group' 
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Unless your research is always going to be limited to only one country, it 
>> is really helpful to use the full name whenever possible.
>> 
>> Throughout the world, the abbreviations used for cities, towns, counties and 
>> states, and even some countries, can be confusing. I live in Western 
>> Australia, and the accepted postal address for the state specifies “WA”, but 
>> that is evidently also an acronym for Washington, as well as Wenatchee, 
>> Namibia, Warrington [UK], Westford Academy[MA], Westford Academy [Texas], 
>> Westminster Academy, and so on – all of which could potentially form part of 
>> an address.
>> 
>> I agree that using the name at the time of the event is most helpful and 
>> other information can be added as an alternative, or in notes.
>> 
>> While it can be frustrating to have to revise one’s ideas and practices, the 
>> more we conform to the accepted international standard, the easier we make 
>> things for those we share research with, now or in the future. I started 
>> genealogy so long ago, I only had boxes and paper files to work with. When 
>> the time came to enter all the data into a computer, it was really daunting, 
>> but I managed. As the computer programs became more complex, I have had to 
>> keep improving my skills and data entry – again, daunting and 
>> time-consuming, but the brain is being challenged and recording the 
>> information is getting easier, so I remain gratefulJ
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Shirley Crampton
>> Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 12:18 AM
>> To: Legacy User Group 
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The problem with using the abbreviation for a state is that another country 
>> may use the same abbreviation which will be confusing.  eg: CA could be 
>> California or Canada.  I have heard people in Australia say that they have 
>> no idea what the two-letter abbreviations for US states mean.
>> 
>>  
>> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

[dwqusc]

Andrew – You can still enter lat/long in Legacy.  I get them from Google Earth 
Pro.  That way they will be there when the geo-mapping feature returns.

 

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From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Andrew Robbie
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2019 11:32 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

 

One thing that would really, really help here is Legacy resurrecting their 
geo-mapping feature.  Lat/Long never lies…  Forget excuses about this API or 
that API changing.  Just fix it.

 

:)

 

Andrew

 

From: LegacyUserGroup mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> > On Behalf Of Elizabeth 
Lindsay
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2019 10:48 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

 

Unless your research is always going to be limited to only one country, it is 
really helpful to use the full name whenever possible. 

Throughout the world, the abbreviations used for cities, towns, counties and 
states, and even some countries, can be confusing. I live in Western Australia, 
and the accepted postal address for the state specifies “WA”, but that is 
evidently also an acronym for Washington, as well as Wenatchee, Namibia, 
Warrington [UK], Westford Academy[MA], Westford Academy [Texas], Westminster 
Academy, and so on – all of which could potentially form part of an address.

I agree that using the name at the time of the event is most helpful and other 
information can be added as an alternative, or in notes. 

While it can be frustrating to have to revise one’s ideas and practices, the 
more we conform to the accepted international standard, the easier we make 
things for those we share research with, now or in the future. I started 
genealogy so long ago, I only had boxes and paper files to work with. When the 
time came to enter all the data into a computer, it was really daunting, but I 
managed. As the computer programs became more complex, I have had to keep 
improving my skills and data entry – again, daunting and time-consuming, but 
the brain is being challenged and recording the information is getting easier, 
so I remain grateful:)

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Shirley Crampton
Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 12:18 AM
To: Legacy User Group mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

 

The problem with using the abbreviation for a state is that another country may 
use the same abbreviation which will be confusing.  eg: CA could be California 
or Canada.  I have heard people in Australia say that they have no idea what 
the two-letter abbreviations for US states mean.

 

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