Re: [LegacyUG] myheritage bought out

[CE WOOD]

The transaction was signed on February 24, 2021,  and was pending regulatory 
approvals, which have recently been received, and hence the acquisition was 
completed April 8, 2022.

​
CE



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Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 4:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] myheritage bought out

that was about more than one year ago  ;-)

Am 22.04.2022 um 13:35 schrieb Gloria DeSousa:
Maybe this info doesn't belong here but I thought in case others are like me 
who don't keep up with the news, thought I would share this 
https://blog.myheritage.com/2021/04/myheritage-acquired-by-leading-private-equity-firm-francisco-partners/

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Re: [LegacyUG] Unmarried Unions

[CE WOOD]

"mistress"
Despite its pronunciation, the abbreviation Mrs. is derived from the title 
mistress, which accounts for that confusing extra letter. Mistress is the 
counterpart of master, which—you guessed it—is abbreviated to Mr. (Of course, 
English speakers now pronounce the title Mr. as “mister.”)

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Why Is There an R in Mrs.? - Encyclopedia Britannica


​CE


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Sent: Friday, April 8, 2022 10:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unmarried Unions


I guess it depends on timeframe for the significant other Cindy asked about. 
Labelling the king's ladyfriends mistresses way back may be

quite OK, but I doubt the persons living together today would think that is the 
right way of labelling the women in those

relationships.



Anne



From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of CE 
WOOD
Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2022 5:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unmarried Unions



That's where researching medieval genealogy is so informative! Many mistresses, 
some in succession, were the titular Queens of many realms, duchies, etc.! And, 
before your time, "Mistress" was the common polite address for a lady!





​CE





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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unmarried Unions



I agree with Ian,  that is how I do it.



To tag the female partner as a Mistress gives the partnership a feeling of 
something illegal to be spoken about in hushed tones. In my younger days a 
mistress was " a bit on the side."

Just my thoughts.

marina











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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unmarried Unions



There is a Not Married check box in Marriage information section.   I just put 
the name in as a Spouse and then check off the no record of Marriage.





Ian



On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 5:53 PM Cindy Custer 
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Is there a way in the Legacy software to add a “significant other” girlfriend 
that

is not married to the man even though they have been together for years?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Unmarried Unions

[CE WOOD]

That's where researching medieval genealogy is so informative! Many mistresses, 
some in succession, were the titular Queens of many realms, duchies, etc.! And, 
before your time, "Mistress" was the common polite address for a lady!


​CE


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Sent: Friday, April 8, 2022 6:15 PM
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Cc: Marina 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unmarried Unions

I agree with Ian,  that is how I do it.

To tag the female partner as a Mistress gives the partnership a feeling of 
something illegal to be spoken about in hushed tones. In my younger days a 
mistress was " a bit on the side."
Just my thoughts.
marina





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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unmarried Unions

There is a Not Married check box in Marriage information section.   I just put 
the name in as a Spouse and then check off the no record of Marriage.


Ian

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Is there a way in the Legacy software to add a “significant other” girlfriend 
that

is not married to the man even though they have been together for years?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Unmarried Unions

[CE WOOD]

Considering this was normal behavior for kings, peers, and many other people in 
the past, I would check "not married" and add a note that she was a mistress, 
which is what they used to be called.


​CE Wood


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Sent: Friday, April 8, 2022 2:52 PM
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Subject: [LegacyUG] Unmarried Unions


Is there a way in the Legacy software to add a “significant other” girlfriend 
that

is not married to the man even though they have been together for years?
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Re: [LegacyUG] Software

[CE WOOD]

How sad that they have abandoned the devoted users who created and kept 
LegacyFamilyTree the very best genealogical database that existed! I started 
with the very first one, developed in Massachusetts. "Sic transit gloria". "The 
root of all evil is the love of money"...alas, even in genealogical programmers.

​CE Wood

From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
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Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 8:49 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Software

Randall, like you for years I has asked Geoff, or other Legacy representatives, 
at every genealogy convention when a Mac version would be available.  I have 
heard quite a few others express the same wish.  I, like Randall, really prefer 
Legacy to other programs…and yet it slows my MacBook Air terribly, and drains 
the battery to use it in a parallel/fusion setting.  Let’s hope the MyHeritage 
techs do bring a Mac Version to fruition in the near future!

Hopefully,

Jan Hornick

On Jan 31, 2022, at 6:00 AM, Randall Dodds 
mailto:randydo...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Good morning, at least it is where I am at this moment. I try not to link on to 
chain notes I get in my email. But this post has hit me as I ask a few years 
ago when the purchase was released that he had sold Legacy. I ask Geoff at the 
time when was the release of the Mac version on Legacy go to happen. “NOT” I 
even offered to be a beta tester. This was after being told one was. I was told 
by Geoff after a webinar it was really soon. I Like the program and really want 
a Mac version of it. In fact, I use MyHeritage Family tree builder for years as 
now my main program for my tree on the Web. I got to say it is long in the 
tooth as genealogy software goes and lacks some important key items that others 
now have and are needed as a researcher. If anyone at MyHeritage is reading 
these posts, I hope you would consider looking at a Mac version for the Legacy 
program and put to rest the builder program.
Yours in genealogy discovers.
Randall


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Date: Monday, January 31, 2022 at 6:20 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Parents of Spouses and children in reports

All the gripes about MyHeritage buying Legacy is pretty much mirror of Ancestry 
when they went on buying spree.

The user looses out yet
It was the user's who did and STILL DO, I will stress but that both Legacy and 
MyHeritage are still doing a good job of looking after members (wish multiple 
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I agree with CE WOOD, I believe Heritage bought Legacy yo get their users 
buying into their online genealogy database and abandoning Legacy, it’s much 
more profitable for them. Well I’m not buying into that.

And speaking about backup, I never used their online backup anyway. I store all 
my file on my home computer and backup my files to an external hard drive AND 
in addition to Dropbox. And I do that all automatically, starting a batch file 
that first backups my file before opening Legacy, then opening Legacy, and when 
I close Legacy the batch file continues and copies all the changed files to the 
external hard drive and then to my Dropbox folder. And I always watch out that 
my Dropbox folder is up to date before I shut my computer down ( which I rarely 
do, basically only when updates require it).

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On Jan 28, 2022, at 17:23, CE WOOD mailto:wood...@msn.com>> 
wrote:


Yes. Legacy was bought by MyHeritage to shut it down. They would much prefer 
their own, inadequate FamilyTreeBuilder as their only data base program. Thus, 
the fact that theirs automatically updates your website on MH, whereas 
uploading new LegacyFamilyTree files requires re-linking all photos and myriad 
others impediments.

That has been well known, as has the inexcusable number of years they have been 
telling those of us who enabled them become what used to be the best gene 
database, that it's too difficult for the Legacy programmers to undertake.

As to backups, you can backup to as many locations as

Re: [LegacyUG] Parents of Spouses and children in reports

[CE WOOD]

Yes. Legacy was bought by MyHeritage to shut it down. They would much prefer 
their own, inadequate FamilyTreeBuilder as their only data base program. Thus, 
the fact that theirs automatically updates your website on MH, whereas 
uploading new LegacyFamilyTree files requires re-linking all photos and myriad 
others impediments.

That has been well known, as has the inexcusable number of years they have been 
telling those of us who enabled them become what used to be the best gene 
database, that it's too difficult for the Legacy programmers to undertake.

As to backups, you can backup to as many locations as you want. Every time I 
make any changes, I backup to two separate backup folders on my desktop, as 
well as to two separate USB drives on my desktop, to one USBC external hard 
drive, and to the Cloud service that I use. It is a bit time consuming, because 
I can't simply have Legacy do that automatically do that. But, considering how 
many years I have put into collecting the data and media, a few extra  minutes 
are well worth it.


​CE Wood



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John Faulks 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 2:28 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Parents of Spouses and children in reports

Another wishlist feature adding to what others have requested is an extra 
backup option. I know there were legal/logistic issues when the Legacy cloud 
storage option was removed. However I would like to have both a "local" and a 
"remote" backup option. Local is local to the PC or home network. Remote could 
be to a cloud service. This would fit the 3 2 1 best practice (3 copies, 2 
locations and one in a different location).

I like the Legacy features (the ones I use at least) and know migrating is a 
big deal so I am OK for now. However it would be good to "feel" like there is a 
degree of ongoing progress and improvement. Knowing there is a schedule of 
updates and improvements might demonstrate Legacy has "life" and is fully 
supported. For example, windows get monthly updates - they have a lot more to 
worry about fixing things. But they also have a schedule of feature updates. 
You might not like all the changes but it creates a sense that the product is 
"alive".

Since adding another backup option should not (my guess at least) disturb the 
underlying data engine, putting that into a small feature update would be nice 
and could stop my eyes looking at the reviews of competing products for a while.

Cheers

John

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:18 AM Chris Hill 
mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The problem is that Legacy needs a total rebuild, which I had hoped that MH 
would provide the funding.

I have looked at both the MH Family Tree Builder and at Roots magic. Both have 
a more modern design and are functional across multiple operating systems. But 
they do not seem to have the same functionality as Legacy.

What I would be looking for, and have for many years, are

1.Unicode support, not at issue for me but it is for many users.
2.Support for Mac and Linux, again not an issue for me.
3.Ability to extract information from and put into genealogy website 
like Ancestry, FindMyPast, MyHeritage (probably in version 10) etc with user 
control on what is moved.
4.To automatically generate source records when importing information 
from a web site, like a census or BMD source.
5.A more modern design based on the latest GUI interfaces.

Regards

Chris

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To: "Legacy User Group" 
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Sent: 28/01/2022 15:52:50
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Parents of Spouses and children in reports


I am going to chime in here!  I have my own website with a page devoted to 
recommending Legacy Family Tree based on the commendable merits of the 
software.  After waiting for so long for this “bug” to be fixed, as well as 
other issues, I too must consider a change.  Seems like since MyHeritage took 
over, they don’t care as much as before.  It’s too bad because the company 
risks losing more consumers as time passes.  I am hoping that MyHeritage is not 
following in the footsteps of Ancestry and Family Tree Maker where the ultimate 
goal was to bring everybody’s database “online”.  Many simply don’t want to do 
that.



Agree with P Hays – unhappy is putting it mildly!



Larry



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Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 9:51 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Parents of Spouses and children in reports



I agree. I am having the same problem and unhappy is putting it mildly.



On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:44 PM Juergen Amling 
mailto:j...@juergenamling.com>> wrote:

Re: [LegacyUG] Using "Windows Eleven" With Legacy Version 9

[CE WOOD]

I know there are many Legacy users like me, who, for myriad reasons, have not 
yet had the time or energy to upgrade to Legacy 9. For me, it has been several 
years of ill health.

I, certainly, and many others would like advice on the effect Windows 11 has 
had on earlier versions. Mine is Legacy 7.5.


CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Jack Earnshaw 
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2021 4:26 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using "Windows Eleven" With Legacy Version 9

I have no problems and have been using W11 for a couple of months now with LFT9.
Some say they won't upgrade until it stabilises, after some updates - but no 
evidence of any issues affecting Legacy

On 20 Dec 2021 23:56, Thomas Cox  wrote:

Hello all,

I seem to recall some discussion in the recent past about whether Legacy
would run seamlessly on Windows 11.  I don't recall though what the
consensus of the responders was regarding using Windows 11 with the
Legacy program.  I am considering replacing my old computer with a new
one.  This new computer comes with Windows 11 already installed.  I am
suddenly a little hesitant to jump into the new computer fearing
problems with software malfunctions or worse, losing my genealogy data.
I would welcome any comments from  folks who have any experience using
Windows 11 with the Legacy program.

Thank you.

Thomas Cox

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Re: [LegacyUG] Nicknames

[CE WOOD]

I have several persons who are and have been always called by their second 
names. I have put the first name within parentheses, and use that as my "main" 
name.

Some of the above have always signed documents using their first initial - J. 
James x, for example.

If you sort by last name and have all variations as alternate names, you can 
always find them. I include misspellings too because those are often found when 
searching documents. Having all variations included in your alternate list, and 
showing them in the Index means you can always find the person in documents, 
newspapers, letters, et alia.


​CE

From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Terry Montgomery 
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 4:27 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Nicknames

When someone is known by a name other than his given name, I write - for
my father - Ralph "Pat". For official documents his name is 'Ralph';
just one name. Otherwise he was never known as anything but 'Pat'

But what if John James were always called by his second name? If I write
John "James" i would imply that James is not a real name.

What do others do?

Terry Montgomery



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[LegacyUG] Location Index in Reports

[CE WOOD]

Whether in Legacy 7.5 or 9, there is no way to have a Location Index in text 
format, RTF. or HTML! I check mark the box to have it included, but it shows up 
only in PDF. Legacy PDFs, contrary to many other PDFs, does not allow copy and 
paste; the only option is an image. That is not acceptable!

So, there is no way to copy the Index and insert it into my Word file! I know 
Legacy is a database and not a publishing program, but please, because we must 
create our own document styles for our reports, allow us to have a Location 
Index that can be copied and pasted into a carefully constructed Word document!

AAGH!

CE
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[LegacyUG] Cenotaph vs. gravestone in FAG

[CE WOOD]

Many FAG memorials are cenotaphs, not gravestones. People who search cemeteries 
find them and, not knowing the genealogy of the person, mistakenly enter it as 
a gravestone. FAG asks that all cenotaphs be duly marked as such on a memorial 
page, but many people don't follow the rule, even if they know it is a cenotaph 
- they just want to add another memorial in their list.

Cenotaph is Greek for "empty tomb". Not all are single gravestones; many are 
monuments with several family members listed. I have struggled for years to get 
FAG to remove a family cenotaph that the poster refuses to admit is one. Not 
being genealogists, FAG doesn't check accuracy, but sometimes it will change 
things when you can show them documents.

Be aware that many persons in medieval times were buried one place first, then 
moved (sometimes more than once). Also, many churches, abbeys, monasteries, 
etc., were destroyed, so are hard to find in FAG because posters can't find the 
church, etc.

Also, many killed in battle or abroad, may have been brought home to be buried. 
Sometimes, different parts of the body were buried in different locations.

That's why researching actual documents that mention where a person was buried 
is essential.

If you know the actual gravesite of a person, use that as the FAG Memorial# in 
Legacy.


Cheers,
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Re: [LegacyUG] Postings

[CE WOOD]

We are the A-Listers!

​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
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Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 10:00 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Postings

actually a cross between ludites and genius.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 1:13 PM Gary Crull 
mailto:treeclimber1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sowe've become somewhat second-class user's!

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:50 AM Chris Hill 
mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>> wrote:
One answer is that people are using the Legacy group in Facebook, which also 
supports images.

Regards

Chris

From my Motorola G6+

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020, 15:27 Gary Crull, 
mailto:treeclimber1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I used to get several e-mail postings from the group almost daily.

Now I seldom get any. What happened? I'd think with Covid-19 on the loose, 
activity would have increased, rather than slacked off

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Re: [LegacyUG] New Version of Legacy Family Tree?

[CE WOOD]

Ah, yes. For many years it has been back to the old days when everything 
resided on the university computers, which charged by the minute. All we 
plebeians had were dumb computers. Woe unto you if you neglected to log off the 
university computer when you were done because the charges kept accruing until 
you did!

​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Robin McCarthy 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020 8:45 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New Version of Legacy Family Tree?

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Legacy Family Tree goes by the wayside now 
that they are owned by MyHeritage. MyHeritage has their own genealogy software 
program, Family Tree Builder, that synchronizes directly with trees on 
MyHeritage (if you have one).

Daniel Horowitz has been actively demoing Family Tree Builder the past several 
weeks through his Ask the Expert 30-minute webinars on Tuesdays and Thursdays. 
Family Tree Builder has some of the features found in Legacy Family Tree, but 
nowhere near all the bells and whistles. legacy is far superior.

This past February at RootsTech I asked Daniel when MyHeritage would enable the 
Legacy Family Tree program to synchronize with trees on MyHeritage. His answer 
was, "Not this year."  Very disappointing. I get tired of having to maintain 
trees on multiple websites, or periodically export new GEDCOM files to them, 
which restarts record matching all over.

My impression is that MyHeritage is focusing their efforts on DNA tools, as 
that seems to be where the money is these days. I don't think the big companies 
are interested in investing time in computer-based software (as evidenced by 
Ancestry abandoning Family Tree Maker a few years ago). They all want us to 
build our trees on their websites, which really makes us a commodity that they 
use to leverage their business model. Our trees help them bring in more 
customers for DNA and matching.

Just my opinion. I hope I'm wrong, but as a retired software engineer, I'm 
doubtful. Everything is moving away from personal computers and into the cloud.

Robin


 Original message 
From: elblankens...@gmail.com
Date: 6/20/20 7:57 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] New Version of Legacy Family Tree?


Hello…Does anyone know if there are any plans for a major upgrade to Legacy 
Family Tree (i.e. v10)?   It has been over three years since the release of v9. 
 If I recall correctly, v10 was on the verge of being release a couple of years 
ago.   Is it my imagination, but ever since Legacy Family Tree was acquired by 
MyHeritage the updates / enhancements have seemed to come at a snail pace.   I 
really do like Legacy Family Tree and have recommended to many of my friends 
and relatives.   I really liked the frequent free fixes / enhancements and 
looked forward to them and was one of the first to pay for an upgrade.   The 
initial cost and upgrades were always reasonably.   I am just afraid that 
Legacy is not part of the long-term direction or focus for MyHeritage.   I just 
hope this is not the case since I don’t want to see Legacy fall to the side of 
the road like many other genealogy programs.


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Re: [LegacyUG] New Version of Legacy Family Tree?

[CE WOOD]

These "big" players (ancestry, MyHeritage, et al.,) have been acquiring 
excellent programs and decimating them. Thus went Genealogy.com, MyFamily, and 
many more I once used. Sad.


​CE

From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
elblankens...@gmail.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020 7:57 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com 
Subject: [LegacyUG] New Version of Legacy Family Tree?


Hello…Does anyone know if there are any plans for a major upgrade to Legacy 
Family Tree (i.e. v10)?   It has been over three years since the release of v9. 
 If I recall correctly, v10 was on the verge of being release a couple of years 
ago.   Is it my imagination, but ever since Legacy Family Tree was acquired by 
MyHeritage the updates / enhancements have seemed to come at a snail pace.   I 
really do like Legacy Family Tree and have recommended to many of my friends 
and relatives.   I really liked the frequent free fixes / enhancements and 
looked forward to them and was one of the first to pay for an upgrade.   The 
initial cost and upgrades were always reasonably.   I am just afraid that 
Legacy is not part of the long-term direction or focus for MyHeritage.   I just 
hope this is not the case since I don’t want to see Legacy fall to the side of 
the road like many other genealogy programs.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Survey - Syncing

[CE WOOD]

My network

​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
William (Bill) R. Linhart 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 3:05 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Survey - Syncing

What app do you use to 'sync' Legacy between your MAIN computer and a SECONDARY 
computer?

What do you feel is the advantage of your choice vs another app?

1a. DROPBOX (via cloud) for  Legacy data and media, and

1b. EVERNOTE (via cloud) for Research

2. Advantage "set it and forget it"

OTHER:  For backup I use ACRONIS to create two (2) regularly scheduled backups:
1. local NAS, and
2. Acronis Cloud.


On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 1:57 PM Gary Crull 
mailto:treeclimber1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi everybody,

I'm taking a little survey if you'll participate.

What app do you use to 'sync' Legacy between your MAIN computer and a SECONDARY 
computer?

What do you feel is the advantage of your choice vs another app?

Gary
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Re: [LegacyUG] Bad dates

[CE WOOD]

I know a picture is worth a thousand words, yet, somehow, it is eminently 
possible to detail in words how to do something.

​Cheers,
CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Cathy Pinner 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 7:52 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Bad dates

Carolyn,

I already did.
Use Search and Replace. You have to do it for each date type. On
Facebook I posted an image. Images are not allowed on this list.

Cathy

> CE WOOD <mailto:wood...@msn.com>
> Wednesday, 11 March 2020 10:48 AM
> Thank you so much, Paul, for using this site. Many people, for many
> reasons, do not use Facebook.
>
> Cathy, please be kind enough to post answer here; we also use
> LegacyFamilyTree.
>
>
> ​Cheers,
> CE
>
>
> 
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  on
> behalf of Cathy Pinner 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:42 PM
> *To:* Legacy User Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Bad dates
> Paul,
> I've already answered you on Facebook before you wrote this email.
>
> You can do it with Search and Replace on Dates. See details on Facebook.
>
> Cathy
>
> > Paul Lockley <mailto:paullockl...@bigpond.com>
> > Tuesday, 10 March 2020 11:23 AM
> >
> > I originally entered my family tree data using Legacy 7.5 Deluxe Edition.
> >
> > My date’s were inputted as follows:  eg 21^st Dec 1743
> >
> > I would like to know, after importing this data to Legacy 9 Free
> > Edition, if it can be corrected automatically.
> >
> > It would save me a lot of time (going through each one manually)
> >
> > Could you advise please
> >
> > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> > Windows 10
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
> Cathy Pinner <mailto:genea...@gmail.com>
> Tuesday, 10 March 2020 1:42 PM
> Paul,
> I've already answered you on Facebook before you wrote this email.
>
> You can do it with Search and Replace on Dates. See details on Facebook.
>
> Cathy
>
>
> Paul Lockley <mailto:paullockl...@bigpond.com>
> Tuesday, 10 March 2020 11:23 AM
>
> I originally entered my family tree data using Legacy 7.5 Deluxe Edition.
>
> My date’s were inputted as follows:  eg 21^st Dec 1743
>
> I would like to know, after importing this data to Legacy 9 Free
> Edition, if it can be corrected automatically.
>
> It would save me a lot of time (going through each one manually)
>
> Could you advise please
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>


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Re: [LegacyUG] Bad dates

[CE WOOD]

Thank you so much, Paul, for using this site. Many people, for many reasons, do 
not use Facebook.

Cathy, please be kind enough to post answer here; we also use LegacyFamilyTree.


​Cheers,
Carolyn


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Cathy Pinner 
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:42 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Bad dates

Paul,
I've already answered you on Facebook before you wrote this email.

You can do it with Search and Replace on Dates. See details on Facebook.

Cathy

> Paul Lockley 
> Tuesday, 10 March 2020 11:23 AM
>
> I originally entered my family tree data using Legacy 7.5 Deluxe Edition.
>
> My date’s were inputted as follows:  eg 21^st Dec 1743
>
> I would like to know, after importing this data to Legacy 9 Free
> Edition, if it can be corrected automatically.
>
> It would save me a lot of time (going through each one manually)
>
> Could you advise please
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>


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[LegacyUG] BEWARE!!! MyHeritage "wonderful" photo colorization steals your photos!

[CE WOOD]

If you are foolish enough to upload your photos and use this "wonderful" 
colorization service promoted today by LegacyFamilyTree, 
https://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2020/02/your-black-white-photograph-to-full-color-in-1-step.html
[https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVF.SRVXdQJ8IaR9z9m6XztRDg=Api]
Your Black & White Photograph to Full Color in 1 
Step
Brand new - use this incredible new tool to automatically colorize your black 
and white photographs. Watch how here: At www.myheritage.com/incolor I uploaded 
some of my black and white photographs and let the tool do the rest. Take a 
look...
news.legacyfamilytree.com

MyHeritage will OWN YOUR PHOTOS

"...by posting content on the Website, you grant us a royalty-free, worldwide, 
perpetual and non-exclusive license to host, copy, post and distribute such 
content."


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Re: [LegacyUG] Announcement from the staff

[CE WOOD]

Firewalls and antivirus programs are not the issue when MSFT makes structural 
changes.

Legacy paths are now in Documents, so it is vulnerable to changes to within 
Microsoft, When Legacy was separate (version 7.5 and earlier) that was not the 
case. Document paths are stored in the data drive, not the C drive, so Legacy 
7.5 worked perfectly when my Documents path was recently compromised; all Ihad 
to do was access backed up data, and I was good to go. Legacy versions 9 would 
not open.


​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Cathy Pinner 
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 5:03 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Announcement from the staff

Michele Morrison,
When that happens and you know the program is OK, then simply reinstalling it 
is often enough for the security program you use to leave it alone.

If not, here is an article from Legacy Support on the elements of Legacy that 
you may need to make exclusions in your antivirus or firewall

I've never had to use any of this.

Cathy

Michele Morrison
Sunday, 26 January 2020 6:32 AM
Please help.
I just completed the update and my antivirus told me that Legacy.exe was a 
virus and removed it from my computer?
What's going on?

Michele







John Faulks
Sunday, 26 January 2020 5:58 AM
Open you Deluxe copy of Legacy and go to the "Legacy Home" tab. On the right 
you will see an update panel. If it is version 9.0.0.339 you are updated. If 
not highlight the update link and it will download and install for you.

John Faulks
Gmail account




Pat Hickin
Sunday, 26 January 2020 5:53 AM
I can't see how to update without paying anything. I have the DeLuze version.

Pat



John Faulks
Sunday, 26 January 2020 5:26 AM
Yes

John Faulks
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Re: [LegacyUG] Announcement from the staff

[CE WOOD]

Why the rush?

There is a major Microsoft update, varying push dates, that will install 
automatically no matter what.
IT experts recommend waiting until AFTER the update because it will change so 
many things.

What doom awaits tomorrow, the 26th?


​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Michele Lewis 
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:33 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Announcement from the staff

ANNOUNCEMENT:

We just released an update that is a priority. This update has our new
Windows security certificates which will be good for 3 years. Please update
before January 26, 2020.

If you are a Legacy Deluxe user you can update via the Legacy home tab. If
you are a free standard version user you can update here:

https://legacyfamilytree.com/DownloadUpdate.asp

You can also see the complete Revision List for this update here:
https://legacyfamilytree.com/RevisionHistory9.asp


Michele Simmons Lewis, CGR
Legacy Educator
Legacy Family Tree/MyHeritage
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.legacyfamilytree.com




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[LegacyUG] Legacy 9 won't open = can't upgrade

[CE WOOD]

I received the notice about upgrading ASAP, but Legacy 9 Deluxe won't open! 
Downloading again would meaning paying again because I have no way to find my 
ID number!

​CE

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy not working after windows 10 updates

[CE WOOD]

I am so sorry that you do not realize that Windows updates when it has 
discovered and counters new viruses, malware, and worse. The hackers are always 
at work; without these updates, you could have your whole computer held for 
ransom, be sending emails that you do not realize you are sending, and more.


​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
MELISSA BURNS 
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 6:48 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy not working after windows 10 updates

Leave it to Microsoft to ruin a good thing  They should leave their 
products alone once they are out there!!! But no, got to keep stirring the pot!


> On December 5, 2019 at 9:39 PM Alan Thompson  
> wrote:
>
>
> I have been having very similar problems (I reported on them to this group 8 
> weeks ago)
>
> My family file is just over 800MB and contains:
>
> Number of Individuals: 144067
> Number of Families: 44941
> Master locations: 20761
> Master Sources: 1245
> Citations: 759965
> Master events: 197212
> used by individuals: 196591
> used by marriages: 621
> Master media items: 73894
> times linked: 303918
>
> With the latest upgrade of Windows 10 and Legacy 9, on my PC (8GB of RAM), 
> Legacy runs much slower than it used to and I get a “ Run Time Error ‘3035 
> System resource exceeded “ messages ALWAYS during Check-Repair and OFTEN when 
> running multi-Condition search queries. While running Check Repair, Task 
> manager indicates that my computers resources are being used at nowhere near 
> full capacity, with or without all other non-essential programs closed and 
> Security software disabled.
>
> In Windows SAFE mode, Check Repair and the multi-Condition search queries 
> always complete successfully, but Legacy still runs much slower than it used 
> to.
>
> With the latest upgrade of Windows 10 and Legacy 9, on my Laptop (with less 
> resources, ie CPU and Memory), Check Repair and the multi-Condition search 
> queries always complete successfully, but Legacy still runs much slower than 
> it used to (eg check repair took 30 minutes, it used to take 3-4 minutes)
>
> Tested going back to earlier versions of Legacy - made no difference.
>
> Sent my full family file to Legacy support - Check Repair completed perfectly 
> in about 3-4 minutes (They tested with the latest build of Windows 10). They 
> said that other users had reported the same problem, but in no case had they 
> been able to replicate the problem on their computers. Legacy Support stated 
> that they believe that the problem is most likely a conflict with another 
> program.
>
> I also tried exporting my family file to a new Legacy database and running 
> Check-Repair on that, again without success.
>
> If I remove all source and media link records from my file (and compact my 
> file), it reduces the file size to 200MB, but Check Repair still crashes at 
> the same point. So, it looks like size of the family file alone, number of 
> media links or number of sources, are not critical.
>
> If I export a subset of about 50,000 persons from my tree to a new tree, then 
> compact the new file, Check Repair and the multi-Condition search queries 
> USUALLY complete successfully, but Legacy still runs much slower than it used 
> to. This suggests to me that the number of persons in the tree may be a 
> factor, but clearly not the only one.
>
> It's hard to enjoy using Legacy under these conditions 
>
> Alan Thompson
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
> JV Leavitt
> Sent: Friday, 6 December 2019 12:05 PM
> To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy not working after windows 10 updates
>
> Thank you very much! My file is about 625 MB, so it's not over 1 GB.
>
> I'm starting to catch on that this problem is maybe not so unexpected now, 
> even for a file somewhat smaller than a gigabyte in size.
>
> It would be nice to know if more can be found about this issue. The Legacy 
> program was working fine before this latest Windows 10 version update.
>
> Joseph Leavitt
>
>
>
> On 12/5/2019 2:59 PM, Loren L. Johns via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
> > Joyce:
> >
> > Is your file over 1GB in size?
> >
> > Peace, Loren Johns
> >
> > On Thursday, December 5, 2019, 05:52:57 PM EST, Joyce Herzog
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Try shutting your computer off/then on! I worked for me!
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 5:49 PM Loren L. Johns via LegacyUserGroup
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> > Joe:
> >
> > I am not sure what qualifies as "a very large file," but mine is
> > now over 1GB in size and I need to reboot in safe mode to do a
> > check/repair. Running the program as administrator causes the
> > program to crash.
> >
> > Peace, Loren Johns
> > Guatemala City, Guatemala
> > 
> > "I will accept no bull from your house" (Ps. 50:9, RSV).
> >

Re: [LegacyUG] Death-burial-cremation

[CE WOOD]

I have several relatives who were cremated, and then the urn buried in a 
cemetery plot marked with a gravestone. None of mine have been interred in 
memorial  buildings (I don't know what they are called) with memorial crypts 
built into walls. Those crypts have memorial inscriptions. So, in that way, 
they have a cemetery and grave marker.

It's your preference, but I list the site of the burial of the remains, in 
whatever form those remains may be. I deem the site of the cremation to be 
unimportant.

It's going to become more confusing becauses now people are choosing organic 
disposal of their remains, which yields 1 cubic yard of compost. Great if you 
want to fertilize your or someone else's trees (there are groves devoted to 
that). So, perhaps your relative's burial site will be your  back yard, under 
the large oak next to the south fence, or, in the memorial grove at..."xxx, 
some town, some county, some country.

Everyone decides how to best handle their own information. There is no 
"correct" method. Providing enough information, in notes or extra events, is 
what is important.


​Cheers,
CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Ian Thomas 
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Death-burial-cremation


I have begun giving my records more accurate information against their “burial” 
line in Legacy.

Some Melbourne, Australia cemeteries give an annotation “Interment of C.R.” 
which I interpret as interment /burial of the cremated remains. It may be a 
common practice.

So I have been changing or making their record as Cremation, and also adding a 
General Note to indicate (ie, that there may actually be a grave or memorial of 
some type).  For some, it may be useful to visit or to search Billion Graves.



Is this the only way / best way?

I.L. Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia





From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2019 12:07 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy



Hi John



I quite agree, Legacy will be stuck with ANSI until they rewrite it. Given that 
there is also pressure, from its users, for a Mac version, and presumably a 
Linux version, they have a need to develop a new program and database that is 
multi-OS compatible. Hopefully, with the support from MyHeritage, this will 
happen, but MH also owns Family Tree Builder so it might put pressure on 
merging with it.



Regards



Chris



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To: "Legacy User Group" 
mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>

Sent: 27/11/2019 14:26:14

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy



Chris,



During my 41-year career I've been a software developer, software architect, 
and CTO, including a five-year period where my team developed commercial 
applications in VB6. Since 1999 I've had a couple of side-project applications 
implemented in VB6. My focus now is .NET. As discussed on the site you 
mentioned and others, there are challenges to implementing Unicode-aware VB6 
applications. Other sites describe how to meet those challenges. A couple 
techniques we used were Unicode-aware component packages and TLBs for access to 
wide-character functions. Perhaps the technology infrastructure Legacy uses has 
an ANSI-only component baked-in and switching it out would require a 
rewrite-level effort. If so, they'd never rewrite in VB6 now so the effective 
result is "we can't support Unicode until we abandon VB6".



John
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Re: [LegacyUG] Cenotaph

[CE WOOD]

You can also create an new event called "cenotaph".

​Cheers,
Carolyn


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
William (Bill) R. Linhart 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 1:31 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cenotaph

My 2 cents:

EVENT  sounds like the way to go.

There could be more than one Cenotaph, for example one in a family plot and one 
or more included in a veterans memorial.

Another similar situation might be entering cenotaphs for those lost in the 
sinking of ship like the Titanic.


On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 12:42 PM Scott Hall 
mailto:seh0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Quick question -- how best to handle recording a cenotaph?  Specifically, the 
ancestor I'm recording was taken captive in a Native American raid, marched to 
Canada, and died along the way.  Where she was buried (if at all) is lost to 
history.  But, she is memorialized on a family gravestone at the grave site of 
her husband in a local cemetery.

How best to record this in Legacy?

Thanks,
Scott
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Re: [LegacyUG] Could my 10th great grandfather give birth to my 11th ggf?

[CE WOOD]

You can choose between

Show the closest relationship, which would display for example, 3rd Great-Grand 
Uncle before it would show 4th Great-Grandfather,

or

Show the closest direct-line relationship (if any), which would show 4th 
Great-Grandfather before 3rd Great-Grand Uncle.


Someone familiar with version 9 can tell you where to set that. The first and 
many subsequent updates to version 9 had so many bugs that I couldn't it , so I 
had to revert to version 7.5. I have had neither the time nor need to try out 
all the new bells and whistles that the MyHeritage versions contain.


​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Gloria DeSousa 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 2:34 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Could my 10th great grandfather give birth to my 11th ggf?

Hi,
I have in my tree a 10th great grandfather who's son is my 11th great 
grandfather. Is this possible? Or is it an error in my tree that I can not 
find? I set relationships several times.

In addition to this problem, I tried to make my direct line bold like it used 
to be by clicking on the "Indicate direct line children in list (bold)" in 3.8 
in Customize. I get a box that says "'Set Direct Line' Option from the Tools 
tab of the Ribbon to enable the bolding of names". I do not see the option "Set 
Direct Line", at least not in those words, but even the choices that come 
close, do not give me the option to bold. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,
Gloria
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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[CE WOOD]

You can choose between

Show the closest relationship, which would display for example, 3rd Great-Grand 
Uncle before it would show 4th Great-Grandfather,

or

Show the closest direct-line relationship (if any), which would show 4th 
Great-Grandfather before 3rd Great-Grand Uncle.


Someone familiar with version 9 can tell you where to set that. The first and 
many subsequent updates to version 9 had so many bugs that I couldn't it , so I 
had to revert to version 7.5. I have had neither the time nor need to try out 
all the new bells and whistles that the MyHeritage versions contain.


​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Trevor Good 
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 2:23 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships

Hi Everyone

I set "My Relationship" to me and ran process, to my surprise my wife is
showing as my - Half-3rd Cousin Once Removed, I always thought she was
my wife, obviously something is set wrong, can you help please.
Trevor

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Re: [LegacyUG] Coslough, Ireland

[CE WOOD]

It's probably Cos Shalach (Irish) / Cossalagh (English). 
https://www.logainm.ie/en/36236



County Maigh Eo/Mayo

BaronyCoistealaigh/Costello

Civil parishAn tEanach/Annagh

TownlandCos Shalach/Cossallagh



Map at:  https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/costello/annagh/culnacleha/cossallagh/



In archival records, alternate spellings include:



1625Coshillagh

1629Cossillagh

1635Cossallagh, 1 qr called

1661Bellglasse 4 Qrs. (vizt) Cossellagh als Cossollagh als Gortnocronnagh 1 
qr

1679Cossillagh 1 qr

1685Coshillogh

1710c Cossulagh qr... Cossilagh 1 qr

1727Cossallagh, qr of

1787Cossulagh qr... Cossillagh 1 qr

1830Cussalough

1838Cossallagh

1838Coghshelly?

1838Coshillagh

1838Cosalac[.]

1838Cossăllăgh

1838Cois a loch

1838Cossolough

1838Cossolough

1838Cossillagh

1838Cussalough

1838Cosalach, "dirty foot"



See:  https://www.logainm.ie/en/36236





CE





-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Ian Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 3:29 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Coslough, Ireland



I know this is off-topic, but maybe someone has a short answer to help me?



I have a person born 1798, died 1817, place given as Coslough, Ireland. Some of 
her relatives were in Wicklow.

Online searches find numerous lough's (= Scottish loch?) in Ireland. And a hint 
that the locality Coslough is in County Louth.

Confused!



Ian

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

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Re: [LegacyUG] Coslough, Ireland

[CE WOOD]

In County Mayo. See page 435 of Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of 
the Landed Gentry of Ireland, London:  Harrison and Sons, 1904. Found at:  
https://tinyurl.com/yxwjy4dw


"Hibbert Newton, of Ballinglen, co. Wicklow, J.P., Lieut. 32nd Regt., bapt. 5 
Dec. 1790: on. 1817, Dorothea, dau. of James Gildea, of Coslough, co. Mayo. She 
d. 1 June, 1867. He d. 1861 having had issue."





Also see Irish Archaeological Society, Volume 11, pages 415-416. Found at: 
https://tinyurl.com/y65x46gw



"To return to the descendants of Morogh na maor. The most remarkable of these 
was Edmund O'Flaherty, before-named', a man of great strength and stature, 
whose name, as Emuinn laidir, or "strong Ned," is to this day familiar in 
Iar-Connaught.



Tradition has handed down many wonderful narratives of his prowess and 
achievements. Among others, it relates that he had frequent rencounters with 
captain Richard Martin, who obtained several grants of the confiscated lands of 
the O'Flaherties, under the Act of Settlement, and that they generally fought 
on horseback, sword in hand; but that the latter, being continually surrounded 
by his followers, always escaped, while Emuinn laidir was often obliged to cut 
his way through them, to avoid being overpowered. He was first married to 
Mable, daughter of Brian oge na samthach, by whom he had a son, Edmund oge. 
Secondly, to Kate Martin, of Coslough in the county of Mayo, by whom he had 
three sons. "





More is available on Google search url for Coslough, co. Mayo, at:  
https://tinyurl.com/y5b4uf7t





CE





-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Ian Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 3:29 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Coslough, Ireland



I know this is off-topic, but maybe someone has a short answer to help me?



I have a person born 1798, died 1817, place given as Coslough, Ireland. Some of 
her relatives were in Wicklow.

Online searches find numerous lough's (= Scottish loch?) in Ireland. And a hint 
that the locality Coslough is in County Louth.

Confused!



Ian

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

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Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

[CE WOOD]

Returns? Do have dreams at night too?

​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
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Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 5:55 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania


Andrew – You can still enter lat/long in Legacy.  I get them from Google Earth 
Pro.  That way they will be there when the geo-mapping feature returns.



Don Quigley

1207 Huntington Lane

Safety Harbor, FL 34695

(H) 727-330-7030

(M) 925-367-5609

dwq...@gmail.com



From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Andrew Robbie
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2019 11:32 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania



One thing that would really, really help here is Legacy resurrecting their 
geo-mapping feature.  Lat/Long never lies…  Forget excuses about this API or 
that API changing.  Just fix it.



☺



Andrew



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 On Behalf Of Elizabeth Lindsay
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2019 10:48 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania



Unless your research is always going to be limited to only one country, it is 
really helpful to use the full name whenever possible.

Throughout the world, the abbreviations used for cities, towns, counties and 
states, and even some countries, can be confusing. I live in Western Australia, 
and the accepted postal address for the state specifies “WA”, but that is 
evidently also an acronym for Washington, as well as Wenatchee, Namibia, 
Warrington [UK], Westford Academy[MA], Westford Academy [Texas], Westminster 
Academy, and so on – all of which could potentially form part of an address.

I agree that using the name at the time of the event is most helpful and other 
information can be added as an alternative, or in notes.

While it can be frustrating to have to revise one’s ideas and practices, the 
more we conform to the accepted international standard, the easier we make 
things for those we share research with, now or in the future. I started 
genealogy so long ago, I only had boxes and paper files to work with. When the 
time came to enter all the data into a computer, it was really daunting, but I 
managed. As the computer programs became more complex, I have had to keep 
improving my skills and data entry – again, daunting and time-consuming, but 
the brain is being challenged and recording the information is getting easier, 
so I remain grateful☺



From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Shirley Crampton
Sent: Monday, 5 August 2019 12:18 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania



The problem with using the abbreviation for a state is that another country may 
use the same abbreviation which will be confusing.  eg: CA could be California 
or Canada.  I have heard people in Australia say that they have no idea what 
the two-letter abbreviations for US states mean.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

[CE WOOD]

If you are posting in plain text, there is no way other than to use capitals 
for emphasis. There is no way to "bold", "underline", "highlight", et alia,  
leaving capitals as the only option.

​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
John Cardinal 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 11:44 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania


It's not a scream. All-caps for a single word in a sentence is typically used 
to indicate strong emphasis of the given word. But you knew that.



I'm with Michele: I wish this thread would STOP. Unfortunately, it's not up to 
me.



From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Bill Hoff
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 11:42 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania



You scream often?

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 4, 2019, at 11:38 PM, Michele Morrison 
mailto:michele25m...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Could we PLEASE stop this Pennsylvania thread, and just move on?


Michele
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Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

[CE WOOD]

As far as what Location name to use in LegacyFamilyTree, the simplest solution 
for us users would be for AKA entries to be allowed in Locations as it is for 
Names. Doing so would eliminate the problem of knowing which Location to choose 
- you could have many.

Unfortunately, that would mean another task for the programmers who seem to 
have too much to  handle as it is.


​Cheers,
CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Randy Fee 
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2019 9:29 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania


I would like to agree with those who indicate that the location should be 
referenced as it was during the time of the event.  If the event occurred in 
1700, the reference to the location should be entered as it was known at that 
time.

Remember, we are genealogists.  We are basically historians for a particular 
family/s.  We are also detectives, as we have to dig to get the data as it 
pertained to the event and time it occurred.

It was previously mentioned that whomever is recording the events can enter the 
data in whichever format they wish to, which I agree with. Just remember, be 
consistent with the way you enter your data.  Enter your data the same way as 
much as possible.

Remember when entering your data, who is the audience for which this data is 
for?  Yourself?  Immediate family?  In both cases, if you put in information 
about Burroughs, your audience should know what your talking about.  But if 
your audience is outside your immediate family, say someone across the pond.  
Are they going to know what you mean when you have Burroughs in your data?  Do 
you wish to be answering a string of emails about what something means because 
someone is not familiar with your culture? Or even sometime in the future, you 
forgot why you did it a particular way.

In most software packages where you enter the location information, you are 
allowed free form entry, which allows you to enter data in your personally 
selected format.  But, if you vary from the genealogy standards, and then try 
to use a module like GeoCoding, your program might not return the results you 
expected or nothing at all.  You will then wonder why you are having problems.

You could say, it's all a double edged sword.  Enter the data the way you wish 
to, and expect complications further down the line, or use your software to the 
best you  can.  Take advantage of putting as many notes in as possible, explain 
exactly what you mean.  Use Geocoding if you can.


Randy Feezor

**Leave not doubt, spell it out**


On 8/4/2019 9:52 AM, Scott Hall wrote:
I wanted to chime into this conversation because I find entering place names to 
be a challenge as well, and Pennsylvania is a perfect example.

First, I concur with those who say enter the place name as it was at the time 
of the event.  Those who enter the modern address and add the historic address 
in the notes have an interesting alternative, but it's not the preferred method 
as place names (even modern ones) can change.

But, that's not really what I wanted to talk about.  Early on I discovered a 
challenge when more than one "root name" exists within a larger administrative 
division.  For example, in Lycoming County, there is both Muncy Township, and 
Muncy, a borough.  Muncy, the borough, is part of Muncy Creek Township, not 
Muncy Township.  This is far from an isolated case -- numerous counties in 
Pennsylvania have a township and a borough with the same name that are separate 
administrative divisions and where the borough is not located within the 
township.

Now, the commonly accepted place recording convention, as far as I understand 
it, is that descriptors like village, town, county, etc. are not recorded 
unless officially part of the name.  Even New York City should be recorded as 
"New York" with the appropriate county (New York, Bronx, Richmond, etc.) 
recorded--but that's a different discussion.

Back to Pennsylvaniawhen you come across a record that simply says "Muncy", 
which Muncy is it?  Let's say you can figure it out...you know it's the 
Township.  Now, generally you'd record it as Muncy, Lycoming, Pennsylvania, USA 
-- but if you do, when you (or someone else) comes back to it -- which Muncy 
did you mean?

So, to solve this problem, I've started to include the word "Township" in the 
record -- "Muncy Township, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA".  And, of 
course, that means I also have to use "Borough" -- "Muncy Borough, Lycoming 
County, Pennsylvania, USA".  But what if Muncy was a city?  Would I enter 
"Muncy City, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania"?  Or perhaps, "Muncy (city), 
Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA"?  I'd prefer not.

Perhaps only Townships should get that designation, as generally I found that 
they are the one entity that tends to bear the same name as another 
administrative division.  But in much of the northeast, like New York, there 

Re: [LegacyUG] Uninstalling an older version of Legacy

[CE WOOD]

Just realize that deleting everything from your computer does NOT wipe your 
computer clean! You need to drive a nail (literally) through the hard drive. 
Everything can be recovered unless it it literally destroyed!

​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
David Cripps 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 9:39 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Uninstalling an older version of Legacy

Hello Cathy,

Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 2:31:45 PM, you wrote:

> David,
> Try a Clean Uninstall.
> Go to the Program Files (x86) for Legacy
> Find RemoveLegacy.exe
> Right click and run as administrator.
> That should remove Legacy completely apart from your data files. It
> removes settings and removes all references to it in the Registry.
> For instructions with pics see
> http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00926

Thanks Cathy,

That worked a treat.

I  think  this  laptop  will  hit  the  trash  before  my  flight back
home.

Thanks for the great advice, and hope it helps others too.


Thanks - Dave Cripps in Tasmania



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Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud

[CE WOOD]

AND, that is specific to the WEBINARS!

​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Michele Lewis 
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 5:52 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud


Bob,

Here you go!

http://downloads.familytreewebinars.com/misc/Legacy9Setup.exe



Michele Simmons Lewis, CG®

Legacy Educator

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From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
bobsgenealogy
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 5:29 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud



Michele:  Where can I get the direct link - I need to reload Legacy - it seems 
to have gone south on me

thanks

bob jones



On 4Jun, 2019, at 1:42 AM, Michele Lewis 
mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com>> wrote:



The problem with the Hints has nothing to do with the server. MyHeritage had an 
API (programming code) change on their side which caused us to have to make a 
code change on our side.



The Legacy download IS housed on the broken server so we parked a copy on the 
Amazon server that houses the Legacy webinar site and we can give anyone who 
needs it a direct link to it.



Michele



On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 22:27 CE WOOD mailto:wood...@msn.com>> 
wrote:

If the problem was just the Legacy Cloud backup, that would be understandable, 
but, from the many comments to the contrary, both from beta testers posting 
here and users, the whole Legacy program was affected, and version 9 could not 
be downloaded! We were advised that many of the problems with Legacy were 
affected, such as Hints, and could not be remedied until the programmers were 
able to reprogram! That the Legacy program was lost by MyHeritage is 
inexcusable.



​CE





From: LegacyUserGroup 
mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
 on behalf of Ronald Bernier via LegacyUserGroup 
mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 2:00 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Cc: Ronald Bernier
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud



Apparently the sky is falling.  Of course, the banks, doctor’s office, etc. 
store critical data on their server(s) - therefore they must have a fail safe 
system.  A server that houses among other things FREE cloud back-up is far from 
being a critical system.

Ronald Bernier

Woonsocket, RI

USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 3, 2019, at 4:19 PM, CE WOOD mailto:wood...@msn.com>> 
wrote:

You are 100% correct. Imagine if the servers at your bank, doctor's office, 
hospital, amazon, Google, ad infinitum, were out this long! Something else is 
going on here. Maintaining servers is a 24 hour duty. If MyHeritage had no 
total image backup, Legacy made a potentially lethal mistake. Friends and 
family who do server maintenance and programing for a living (MSFT, amazon, 
etc.) are certain there is something fishy about this whole thing.



​CE



From: LegacyUserGroup 
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 on behalf of Chris Hill 
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Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 11:50 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud



And also be aware that the current Legacy cloud backup system is broken,
following a server failure about 3 weeks ago.

Millennia (Legacy) and My Heritage have built a new server and currently
configuring it.

Don't ask me why it is taking so long. Most companies who lose a server
will get it back either directly, or through a Disaster Recovery
process, within a day - just think what Amazon would do if its servers
crashed. I saw a report about 20 years ago, in the UK, that NO
businesses who had lost its servers, and had no recovery process,
actually survived as a business.

Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Brian Kelly" mailto:exma...@gmail.com>>
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Sent: 03/06/2019 18:41:25
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud

>Cloud Backup is free. Note that this is not a full service backup however, 
>Only your data file is included and there is only one copy held. It is 
>strongly recommended that you consider this an extra backup not your only one. 
>If you have media linked to your file you will certainly need to back up the 
>media separately.
>
>Security problems are no worse than any other cloud service. Hackers might get 
>access to the server which contains the backups, no online service is risk 
>free.
>
>Brian Kelly

Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud

[CE WOOD]

So many days/months later..


​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Michele Lewis 
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 5:52 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud


Bob,

Here you go!

http://downloads.familytreewebinars.com/misc/Legacy9Setup.exe



Michele Simmons Lewis, CG®

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Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 5:29 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud



Michele:  Where can I get the direct link - I need to reload Legacy - it seems 
to have gone south on me

thanks

bob jones



On 4Jun, 2019, at 1:42 AM, Michele Lewis 
mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com>> wrote:



The problem with the Hints has nothing to do with the server. MyHeritage had an 
API (programming code) change on their side which caused us to have to make a 
code change on our side.



The Legacy download IS housed on the broken server so we parked a copy on the 
Amazon server that houses the Legacy webinar site and we can give anyone who 
needs it a direct link to it.



Michele



On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 22:27 CE WOOD mailto:wood...@msn.com>> 
wrote:

If the problem was just the Legacy Cloud backup, that would be understandable, 
but, from the many comments to the contrary, both from beta testers posting 
here and users, the whole Legacy program was affected, and version 9 could not 
be downloaded! We were advised that many of the problems with Legacy were 
affected, such as Hints, and could not be remedied until the programmers were 
able to reprogram! That the Legacy program was lost by MyHeritage is 
inexcusable.



​CE





From: LegacyUserGroup 
mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
 on behalf of Ronald Bernier via LegacyUserGroup 
mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 2:00 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Cc: Ronald Bernier
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud



Apparently the sky is falling.  Of course, the banks, doctor’s office, etc. 
store critical data on their server(s) - therefore they must have a fail safe 
system.  A server that houses among other things FREE cloud back-up is far from 
being a critical system.

Ronald Bernier

Woonsocket, RI

USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 3, 2019, at 4:19 PM, CE WOOD mailto:wood...@msn.com>> 
wrote:

You are 100% correct. Imagine if the servers at your bank, doctor's office, 
hospital, amazon, Google, ad infinitum, were out this long! Something else is 
going on here. Maintaining servers is a 24 hour duty. If MyHeritage had no 
total image backup, Legacy made a potentially lethal mistake. Friends and 
family who do server maintenance and programing for a living (MSFT, amazon, 
etc.) are certain there is something fishy about this whole thing.



​CE



From: LegacyUserGroup 
mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
 on behalf of Chris Hill 
mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 11:50 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud



And also be aware that the current Legacy cloud backup system is broken,
following a server failure about 3 weeks ago.

Millennia (Legacy) and My Heritage have built a new server and currently
configuring it.

Don't ask me why it is taking so long. Most companies who lose a server
will get it back either directly, or through a Disaster Recovery
process, within a day - just think what Amazon would do if its servers
crashed. I saw a report about 20 years ago, in the UK, that NO
businesses who had lost its servers, and had no recovery process,
actually survived as a business.

Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Brian Kelly" mailto:exma...@gmail.com>>
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Sent: 03/06/2019 18:41:25
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud

>Cloud Backup is free. Note that this is not a full service backup however, 
>Only your data file is included and there is only one copy held. It is 
>strongly recommended that you consider this an extra backup not your only one. 
>If you have media linked to your file you will certainly need to back up the 
>media separately.
>
>Security problems are no worse than any other cloud service. Hackers might get 
>access to the server which contains the backups, no online service is risk 
>free.
>
>Brian Kelly
>
>On 03-Jun.-19 1

Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud

[CE WOOD]

Ah! So Legacy really DID sell out to MyHeritage, despite all you guys denied 
the truth. "Fake news is catching, I guess.  "Sic transit gloria".


​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Michele Lewis 
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 5:53 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud


You can send your thoughts directly to MyHeritage. I can’t speak for them.



Michele Simmons Lewis, CG®

Legacy Educator

Legacy Family Tree/MyHeritage

mich...@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com>

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From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
dec...@eircom.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 5:52 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud



Hi Michele I have had great response from you with previous questions and thank 
for it. But what is happening now is appalling. We are getting no explanation 
from my heritage as to why things are going wrong, why did they have to change 
their API for example no explanation given. I think the users of Legacy deserve 
much better answers. The Map problem is a laugh while other companies have no 
problems to my knowledge, yet there is no real explanation as to what is 
happening apart from soft changing coding.  what stage are the programmers 
at ,are they near fixing it or miles away from it, Why is it taking so long 
surely they can give us some kind of info to help us to be patient. It has been 
a long time now. Sadly I have been looking at other programmes with maps 
considering moving, never dreamed I would do this as I had been very happy with 
Legacy. Maps was very important to me as I am sure to others as well. But it is 
getting very frustrating, waiting, waiting, waiting but no news of any kind. 
Very sad. Please I know its not your fault and please to give me “they dont 
give out info re when it might be ready”.We want real answers from My Heritage. 
Declan Chalmers





From: dec...@eircom.net<mailto:dec...@eircom.net>

Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 7:33 PM

To: Legacy User Group

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud



First Maps now hints, server and cloud with no indication as to when these will 
be corrected. We are paid for things we have not got. Is it the beginning of 
the end of Legacy? I am a long time user of Legacy and have not  complained but 
what is happening especially re the maps cant be let go . Declan Chalmers

From: Michele Lewis

Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:42 AM

To: Legacy User Group

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud



The problem with the Hints has nothing to do with the server. MyHeritage had an 
API (programming code) change on their side which caused us to have to make a 
code change on our side.



The Legacy download IS housed on the broken server so we parked a copy on the 
Amazon server that houses the Legacy webinar site and we can give anyone who 
needs it a direct link to it.



Michele



On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 22:27 CE WOOD mailto:wood...@msn.com>> 
wrote:

If the problem was just the Legacy Cloud backup, that would be understandable, 
but, from the many comments to the contrary, both from beta testers posting 
here and users, the whole Legacy program was affected, and version 9 could not 
be downloaded! We were advised that many of the problems with Legacy were 
affected, such as Hints, and could not be remedied until the programmers were 
able to reprogram! That the Legacy program was lost by MyHeritage is 
inexcusable.



​CE





From: LegacyUserGroup 
mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
 on behalf of Ronald Bernier via LegacyUserGroup 
mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 2:00 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Cc: Ronald Bernier
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud



Apparently the sky is falling.  Of course, the banks, doctor’s office, etc. 
store critical data on their server(s) - therefore they must have a fail safe 
system.  A server that houses among other things FREE cloud back-up is far from 
being a critical system.

Ronald Bernier

Woonsocket, RI

USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 3, 2019, at 4:19 PM, CE WOOD mailto:wood...@msn.com>> 
wrote:

You are 100% correct. Imagine if the servers at your bank, doctor's office, 
hospital, amazon, Google, ad infinitum, were out this long! Something else is 
going on here. Maintaining servers is a 24 hour duty. If MyHeritage had no 
total image backup, Legacy made a potentially lethal mistake. Friends and 
family who do server maintenance and programing for a living (MSFT, amazon, 
etc.) are certain there is something fishy about this wh

Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud

[CE WOOD]

If the problem was just the Legacy Cloud backup, that would be understandable, 
but, from the many comments to the contrary, both from beta testers posting 
here and users, the whole Legacy program was affected, and version 9 could not 
be downloaded! We were advised that many of the problems with Legacy were 
affected, such as Hints, and could not be remedied until the programmers were 
able to reprogram! That the Legacy program was lost by MyHeritage is 
inexcusable.

​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Ronald Bernier via LegacyUserGroup 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 2:00 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Cc: Ronald Bernier
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud

Apparently the sky is falling.  Of course, the banks, doctor’s office, etc. 
store critical data on their server(s) - therefore they must have a fail safe 
system.  A server that houses among other things FREE cloud back-up is far from 
being a critical system.

Ronald Bernier
Woonsocket, RI
USA
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 3, 2019, at 4:19 PM, CE WOOD mailto:wood...@msn.com>> 
wrote:

You are 100% correct. Imagine if the servers at your bank, doctor's office, 
hospital, amazon, Google, ad infinitum, were out this long! Something else is 
going on here. Maintaining servers is a 24 hour duty. If MyHeritage had no 
total image backup, Legacy made a potentially lethal mistake. Friends and 
family who do server maintenance and programing for a living (MSFT, amazon, 
etc.) are certain there is something fishy about this whole thing.

​CE

From: LegacyUserGroup 
mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
 on behalf of Chris Hill 
mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 11:50 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud

And also be aware that the current Legacy cloud backup system is broken,
following a server failure about 3 weeks ago.

Millennia (Legacy) and My Heritage have built a new server and currently
configuring it.

Don't ask me why it is taking so long. Most companies who lose a server
will get it back either directly, or through a Disaster Recovery
process, within a day - just think what Amazon would do if its servers
crashed. I saw a report about 20 years ago, in the UK, that NO
businesses who had lost its servers, and had no recovery process,
actually survived as a business.

Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Brian Kelly" mailto:exma...@gmail.com>>
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Sent: 03/06/2019 18:41:25
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud

>Cloud Backup is free. Note that this is not a full service backup however, 
>Only your data file is included and there is only one copy held. It is 
>strongly recommended that you consider this an extra backup not your only one. 
>If you have media linked to your file you will certainly need to back up the 
>media separately.
>
>Security problems are no worse than any other cloud service. Hackers might get 
>access to the server which contains the backups, no online service is risk 
>free.
>
>Brian Kelly
>
>On 03-Jun.-19 1:33 p.m., Susan Osborne wrote:
>>Does it cost to use the backup to cloud feature in Legacy?
>>
>>Is there a problem with security if you use it?
>>
>>Susan
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud

[CE WOOD]

You are 100% correct. Imagine if the servers at your bank, doctor's office, 
hospital, amazon, Google, ad infinitum, were out this long! Something else is 
going on here. Maintaining servers is a 24 hour duty. If MyHeritage had no 
total image backup, Legacy made a potentially lethal mistake. Friends and 
family who do server maintenance and programing for a living (MSFT, amazon, 
etc.) are certain there is something fishy about this whole thing.

​CE

From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Chris Hill 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 11:50 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud

And also be aware that the current Legacy cloud backup system is broken,
following a server failure about 3 weeks ago.

Millennia (Legacy) and My Heritage have built a new server and currently
configuring it.

Don't ask me why it is taking so long. Most companies who lose a server
will get it back either directly, or through a Disaster Recovery
process, within a day - just think what Amazon would do if its servers
crashed. I saw a report about 20 years ago, in the UK, that NO
businesses who had lost its servers, and had no recovery process,
actually survived as a business.

Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Brian Kelly" 
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: 03/06/2019 18:41:25
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backing up to the cloud

>Cloud Backup is free. Note that this is not a full service backup however, 
>Only your data file is included and there is only one copy held. It is 
>strongly recommended that you consider this an extra backup not your only one. 
>If you have media linked to your file you will certainly need to back up the 
>media separately.
>
>Security problems are no worse than any other cloud service. Hackers might get 
>access to the server which contains the backups, no online service is risk 
>free.
>
>Brian Kelly
>
>On 03-Jun.-19 1:33 p.m., Susan Osborne wrote:
>>Does it cost to use the backup to cloud feature in Legacy?
>>
>>Is there a problem with security if you use it?
>>
>>Susan
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Today's Tip

[CE WOOD]

The link was not correctly formatted; here is correct link:

https://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2018/11/tuesdays-tip-custom-event-sentences-advanced.html
[https://a6.typepad.com/6a019b0018af4b970c022ad37561de200c-600wi]

Legacy News: Tuesday's Tip - Custom Event Sentences 
(Advanced)
Tuesday's Tips provide brief how-to's to help you learn to use the Legacy 
Family Tree software with new tricks and techniques. Custom Event Sentences 
(Advanced) It would be pretty hard for me to write a step-by-step tutorial for 
this topic...
news.legacyfamilytree.com



​CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Michele Lewis 
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 5:38 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: [LegacyUG] Today's Tip

I am copying this one over from Facebook.

TIP OF THE DAY (Legacy Staff) - Sat Edition!
My current project is a limited One-Name Study. I am compiling every Simmons
(and variants) living in South Carolina pre-1820.
I am doing this project to help break down a brick wall, but even if my
brick wall doesn't crumble, I will be publishing this project in some sort
of way and I want it to read out nice. There is no way I would let all of
this work go to waste (it is going to take me months)

Right now I am working on getting my event sentences right. So far I only
have the following events...

Residence
Occupation
Marriage License
Marriage Settlement
Marriage Bond

I have been entering marriage records and that is why I have this particular
list. I want to get these formatted correctly before I go any further.

I am telling you all of this to show you that the Legacy staff and the beta
testers are seasoned researchers that actually use Legacy. We use the
program in the same ways as you do. I have been researching for 28 years, 17
years of that at a professional level. I have also been board-certified for
2 years. I have been using Legacy for 14 years. I switched from FTM to the
free standard version of Legacy 5 and then upgraded to the deluxe version
when Legacy 6 came out. I have been working for Legacy (and now My Heritage)
for 6 years.

So on this Saturday my plans are to write these sentence definitions and
extract data from The South Carolina Historical and Genealogical Magazine
which is online from 1900-1923.

Happy hunting!

For more information about how to write event sentences, please see this
article:

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Michele Simmons Lewis, CGR
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legcy 9 Freezing

[CE WOOD]

BTW, why did you not start a new post? Does your query about AKAs have anything 
to do with Legacy 9 Freezing?

CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Jane Sarles 
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 2:44 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legcy 9 Freezing

I know you are probably right in this, but it still gives me trouble.  I just 
like everything together in one big group.  Otherwise the danger of missing a 
connection looms large.

J

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:51 PM Brian Kelly 
mailto:exma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If you go the single name with all variations you can use the Master
Surname List to combine the current individual surnames with the
combination one.

My own thoughts are that you should use AKA's and source each one to the
document where it was used for each person. If you make one name with
variations like you suggest it will make searching the internet
difficult or impossible since it is unlikely that anyone uses a name
like Kerns/Kern/Carnes in a record. It is more likely that you will find
some with Kerns, some with Carnes and some with Kern.

Having AKA's will also only use the variations of the surname applicable
to the one person. One person may have used Kerns always, another may
have records under Carnes in some places and Kerns in others and a third
may have Kerns and Kern but no Carnes.

Brian Kelly



On 04-Apr.-19 1:25 p.m., Jane Sarles wrote:
> Some of my surnames have different spellings.  I am wondering if I
> should do an event of Alternate Names for each, or can I just change one
> to read:  Kerns/Kern/Carnes?  How will it show up in the index?  Will
> that even work?
>
> Jane
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 4:48 PM Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup
> mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
> >>
>  wrote:
>
> Legacy 9 Freezing up and have to restart the program
> The updates are done, but still locks up the software
> Steve O
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legcy 9 Freezing

[CE WOOD]

It really depends on whether your preference for "everything together in one 
big group" out weighs your ability to have all alternate names in the AKA list. 
Using AKAs enables you to discover that a person you think you found is already 
in your database. I do  much research in the Medieval period, and many 
documents use different names when referring to the same person. The last name 
is in caps. This way, when perusing a document, I can search my Index, which 
lists the AKAs, and find the person mentioned in the document.


Name: Richard PLANTAGENET 1st Earl of Cambridge

  Sex: M

AKA: Richard of York, 1st Earl of CAMBRIDGE

  Richard of YORK 1st Earl of Cambridge

   Richard Plantagenet, 1st Earl of CAMBRIDGE

   Richard of CONISBROUGH

Richard of Conisburgh 1st Earl of CAMBRIDGE

   Richard of CONISBURGH 1st Earl of Cambridge


Each of the AKAs has a source attached so I can return to the appropriate 
document.

This is incredibly helpful in many other past times and continues into the 
present.

If you truly must have the the alternate names in one big group, add THAT as an 
AKA!


CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Jane Sarles 
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 2:44 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legcy 9 Freezing

I know you are probably right in this, but it still gives me trouble.  I just 
like everything together in one big group.  Otherwise the danger of missing a 
connection looms large.

J

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:51 PM Brian Kelly 
mailto:exma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If you go the single name with all variations you can use the Master
Surname List to combine the current individual surnames with the
combination one.

My own thoughts are that you should use AKA's and source each one to the
document where it was used for each person. If you make one name with
variations like you suggest it will make searching the internet
difficult or impossible since it is unlikely that anyone uses a name
like Kerns/Kern/Carnes in a record. It is more likely that you will find
some with Kerns, some with Carnes and some with Kern.

Having AKA's will also only use the variations of the surname applicable
to the one person. One person may have used Kerns always, another may
have records under Carnes in some places and Kerns in others and a third
may have Kerns and Kern but no Carnes.

Brian Kelly



On 04-Apr.-19 1:25 p.m., Jane Sarles wrote:
> Some of my surnames have different spellings.  I am wondering if I
> should do an event of Alternate Names for each, or can I just change one
> to read:  Kerns/Kern/Carnes?  How will it show up in the index?  Will
> that even work?
>
> Jane
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 4:48 PM Steve Ostheimer via LegacyUserGroup
> mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
> >>
>  wrote:
>
> Legacy 9 Freezing up and have to restart the program
> The updates are done, but still locks up the software
> Steve O
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Re: [LegacyUG] Does Legacy export pictures in a gedcom?

[CE WOOD]

You must upload each picture to MyHeritage. Then you must link each picture to 
the person(s) who use that picture.

The linkage is retained only if you do not delete the specific MyHeritage file 
in which you made the linkage. If you upload a new gedcom and do not delete the 
old MyHeritage file created by the one in which you made the linkage, the 
pictures will still show as originally linked.

Any persons or pictures in your new gedcom that were not in your linked 
MyHeritage file, will have no pictures linked to them, so you will need to 
upload more pictures and link them to your new MyHeritage file.

It gets really complicated if you upload new gedcoms often, because, unless you 
keep detailed notes on which of your MyHeritage files have which pictures, you 
must keep them all!

If you delete a MyHeritage file, all pictures associated with it are no longer 
linked, if they are retained at all!

If you do upload often, it is important to let any members know that they 
should access only the newest MyHeritage file you have created if they want to 
see any pictures!

Bummer!

Cheers,
CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Gloria DeSousa 
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 11:52 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: [LegacyUG] Does Legacy export pictures in a gedcom?

Hi,
I exported several gedcoms I made in Legacy to MyHeritage, choosing Myheritage 
in the drop down menu, and choosing everything I thought I could include in a 
gedcom. In all my attempts, pictures from the Media Gallery never showed up in 
Myheritage. What are the settings to make this happen? I hope I'm making sense.
Gloria
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Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!

[CE WOOD]

AMEN!

CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Chris Hill 
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 2:41 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!

What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled system - 
HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s style email 
mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal with linked 
posts.

This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used by 
game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available software 
to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more functionality.

These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your users 
can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. Against those 
posts other users can create additional posts.

Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make or 
read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; some can 
be limited to developers and testers etc..

And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system.

Chris
(From my Android)
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Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!

[CE WOOD]

Amen! And I AM shouting!


CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Gene Wheeler 
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 4:06 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!

Well said, Chris! We can only hope.

Gene

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:47 PM Chris Hill 
mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>> wrote:
What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled system - 
HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s style email 
mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal with linked 
posts.

This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used by 
game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available software 
to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more functionality.

These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your users 
can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. Against those 
posts other users can create additional posts.

Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make or 
read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; some can 
be limited to developers and testers etc..

And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system.

Chris
(From my Android)
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Re: [LegacyUG] siblings become spouses when printing a family group sheet

[CE WOOD]

Don't hold your breath. Before acquisition bu Heritage, Legacy was much more 
responsive, but seldom many years long problems are still awaiting fixes. It is 
why many early Legacy users have not upgraded to the incredibly bug-ridden and 
ridiculous Legacy 8 and then Legacy 9. Those trying to produce reports for 
clients have migrated. So sad for a once excellent program.


CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
ElisabethJohnson via LegacyUserGroup 
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 5:34 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Cc: ElisabethJohnson
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] siblings become spouses when printing a family group 
sheet

And when will the next update be to fix the family group report? Do we get an 
explanation how it happened in the first place?

"Courtship of Lizzie Andrews"
Read all about it at:
PJWattersBooks.com


On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 7:48:18 AM MST, Brian Kelly  
wrote:


In the current build the FGR is broken. Trying to print one will result
in one of three problems:

a. Error 62 Read past end of File

b. Marriage not found

c. The symptom you have just reported where every second child is listed
as the spouse of the previous child.

All of these problems have been fixed and tested by the Beta test group.
The correction will be included with the next update to Legacy.

Brian Kelly

On 09-Jan.-19 9:30 a.m., Barbara Schwarting via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
> I have not seen this problem in the past. When I print a family group
> sheet for a family the 2nd, 4th and 6th children become the spouses of
> the 1st, 3rd and 5th children.  Can someone help me - I would surely
> appreciate it.
>
> 1.  Siblings are clearly listed as children of a husband and wife on a
> family group sheet.
>
> 2. When I press "print" and then  "preview" the 2nd, 4th and 6th
> children show as spouses.
>
> 3. If I go back and attempt to make a change in the original record - I
> receive a message "that they are children of their parents.
>
> Thus, it seems that it is something between the input and the printer.
>
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] siblings become spouses when printing a family group sheet

[CE WOOD]

I am so very, very glad you have no deadlines for producing reports for people. 
The fixes that Legacy promises often take many years to appear, and several 
have not at all.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Jennie Matheson 
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 9:40 PM
To: Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] siblings become spouses when printing a family group 
sheet

Do we really need an explanation of specific cause? I think that it is often 
the case with software undergoing updates/upgrades that fixing one thing can 
cause something else to "break". This is not something unique to Legacy. I used 
to work for a large Australian government department and when software upgrades 
were scheduled to run over the weekend we would dread what we would find 
"broken" the following Monday.

Suffice to say that a fix will be available with the next update.

Jennie

On Thu, 10 Jan. 2019, 12:35 pm ElisabethJohnson via LegacyUserGroup 
mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> wrote:
And when will the next update be to fix the family group report? Do we get an 
explanation how it happened in the first place?

"Courtship of Lizzie Andrews"
Read all about it at:
PJWattersBooks.com


On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 7:48:18 AM MST, Brian Kelly 
mailto:exma...@gmail.com>> wrote:


In the current build the FGR is broken. Trying to print one will result
in one of three problems:

a. Error 62 Read past end of File

b. Marriage not found

c. The symptom you have just reported where every second child is listed
as the spouse of the previous child.

All of these problems have been fixed and tested by the Beta test group.
The correction will be included with the next update to Legacy.

Brian Kelly

On 09-Jan.-19 9:30 a.m., Barbara Schwarting via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
> I have not seen this problem in the past. When I print a family group
> sheet for a family the 2nd, 4th and 6th children become the spouses of
> the 1st, 3rd and 5th children.  Can someone help me - I would surely
> appreciate it.
>
> 1.  Siblings are clearly listed as children of a husband and wife on a
> family group sheet.
>
> 2. When I press "print" and then  "preview" the 2nd, 4th and 6th
> children show as spouses.
>
> 3. If I go back and attempt to make a change in the original record - I
> receive a message "that they are children of their parents.
>
> Thus, it seems that it is something between the input and the printer.
>
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[CE WOOD]

Be aware that many people still use plain text when emailing. Their only option 
is to use caps for emphasis.

Only HTML allows bolding, underlining, etc. For many years, this list did not 
allow HTML. Only after HTML became the choice of most emailers were capital 
letters classified as shouting.


CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Carrie Pillow 
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 12:08 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook


I also don’t think its hard to be polite, watch the tone of messages, if you 
want people to go to the effort of posting in 2 places.



There is also no need to ‘SHOUT in these messages, Manners go a lot further.



Carrie



From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Peter Matthews
Sent: 09 January 2019 03:01
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook



I agree.

I'm sure we all do very much appreciate the invariably timely and helpful 
responses from Cathy and Michele to posted problems on this list.

However I think it would also solve some of the angst if any Legacy 
announcements could also be posted to this list. It can't be that hard. We 
don't need all the Facebook posts, only any "announcements", whether formal or 
not. "Legacy News" is not enough.

Yes, FB might have some advantages over this list, but the reality is that a 
significant proportion of faithful Legacy customers just do not want to join 
Facebook. Please, do not "leave us in the dust".

Peter

At 17:17 08-01-19 -0800, Sherry H wrote:


PLEASE!!

REREAD what I wrote. I'm not expecting whole conversations from FB to
be posted here.

If a staff member posts and announcement, such as build release, new
webinar, reduced rates for MyHeritage or upgrade prices for Legacy or
Legacy products = THOSE should be posted on the LUG list. Tips would
also be nice. How-to only if someone on the LUG list asks.

How hard is that to understand?

FB Notifications are IMPOSSIBLE. I've turned them off in most of the
groups I am a member of (I have no "Friends" on FB as they're insane
as well - I've seen some of the threads and no way do I have the time
or energy for that nonsense!) and have few showing only in FB. I will
not get them by text or email. Even if they're not Legacy posts.

FB is so changeable that FB Purity has a hard time keeping up. Plus it
seems to slow FB down, at least for me.

I do subscribe to the LUG email. However, it seems that FB is quicker
for notifications as those are posted right away and the LUG email is
generally quite behind.


S.



On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Cathy Pinner 
mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The reason that pictures and attachments are not allowed on this list is
> that apparently some people still have limited and/or slow internet access.
>
> Note expecting posts on Facebook to be copied here is totally
> unrealistic. I mostly post comments that make no sense without the
> originating post and the following discussion. My comments are often
> tips or step by step directions on how to do something. Most of the
> knowledgeable people on FB do the same. Respond to requests for help
> with useful stuff.
>
> There are various ways to get notifications on Facebook. You can have
> them emailed to you which I think would be a nightmare. I open Facebook
> and see them there on the Notification symbol on the Facebook "toolbar".
>
> RE Webinar announcements, most are also in the Legacy News email so if
> you want them, make sure you get Legacy News by email.
> Here is where you can subscribe. 
> https://legacyfamilytree.com/Subscribe.asp
>
> As Michele pointed out you can join Facebook and participate in Groups
> and not engage in any of the Friend stuff. I only sometimes look at my
> personal newsfeed. I rarely if ever post on my own page. I use F.B.
> Purity to get rid of ads and to control the order of the Notifications
> so they are time ordered rather than what FB thinks I should see first.
>
> Cathy
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[CE WOOD]

So, after we made Legacy great, you are abandoning your diehard supporters - or 
driving and leaving us out to make life easier for you and support ?x!#erberg?

Sic transit gloria.

CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Cathy Pinner 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 4:55 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

The reason that pictures and attachments are not allowed on this list is
that apparently some people still have limited and/or slow internet access.

Note expecting posts on Facebook to be copied here is totally
unrealistic. I mostly post comments that make no sense without the
originating post and the following discussion. My comments are often
tips or step by step directions on how to do something. Most of the
knowledgeable people on FB do the same. Respond to requests for help
with useful stuff.

There are various ways to get notifications on Facebook. You can have
them emailed to you which I think would be a nightmare. I open Facebook
and see them there on the Notification symbol on the Facebook "toolbar".

RE Webinar announcements, most are also in the Legacy News email so if
you want them, make sure you get Legacy News by email.
Here is where you can subscribe. 
https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flegacyfamilytree.com%2FSubscribe.aspdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5491b80371be4e40b7d808d675cd3967%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636825921620279968sdata=H61ENe22bglAAtBkD%2B%2FNmuSSPEVJa5w12LS0uD27iOU%3Dreserved=0

As Michele pointed out you can join Facebook and participate in Groups
and not engage in any of the Friend stuff. I only sometimes look at my
personal newsfeed. I rarely if ever post on my own page. I use F.B.
Purity to get rid of ads and to control the order of the Notifications
so they are time ordered rather than what FB thinks I should see first.

Cathy

> Jeff 
> Wednesday, 9 January 2019 6:42 AM
> +1
> Not even once a month on Facebook!
>
>
>
>
>
> Ian Thomas 
> Wednesday, 9 January 2019 5:55 AM
> Sherry - you have just enumerated all the desires (for a much better
> LUG email list) that I silently think about. Pictures on this list
> would be a major improvement.
>
> I have had a FB account for 10 years but I probably use FB (not the
> Legacy group, which I don't belong to) about once monthly.
>
> Frankly, I'm pleased to see the FB organization withering and being
> held to some) account for its transgressions.
>
> Ian Thomas
> Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Sherry H
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2019 3:29 AM
> To: Legacy User Group 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook
>
> I tried to follow the LUG FB page and it's totally insane. I can't
> keep up with it. People hijack threads on FB just as often as they do
> in mailing lists
>
> It can't take that long to copy a post you just made to FB and paste
> it into an email. No need to retype the entire post. The people on the
> mailing list won't get the follow-ups by the group that are on the FB
> page but there's no reason they can't get announcements or other
> pertinent information about Legacy.
>
> *Many email programs can thread a conversation for you.
> *It's very easy to search emails - I think much easier than searching
> in a FB group, esp if the emails have a good subject line.
> *Sticky announcements are annoying - once I've read it, it's still
> there in my face and I can't get rid of it. I can delete an email.
> *If a mailing list is moderated, either members or posts, then you can
> cut down on spam. In fact, I can't remember the last time I've seen
> spam on any of the mailing lists I'm on. On FB, you have to wade
> through all the ads that FB puts in a group. A moderated list can also
> put a stop to a thread by rejecting posts *Polls can be sent on
> mailing lists as well. I just responded to one on a book list.
> *I can choose to save emails that are of particular interest to me or
> delete ones I have no interest in. They're all lumped together on FB.
> *All the graphics on a FB page are annoying.
> *Mailing lists *can* allow pictures. Up to the list owner.
>
> I've been using FB for a few Christian groups and still not a fan - I
> so wish they were mailing lists instead!
>
> Sherry
>
> Sherry H 
> Wednesday, 9 January 2019 12:28 AM
> I tried to follow the LUG FB page and it's totally insane. I can't
> keep up with it. People hijack threads on FB just as often as they do
> in mailing lists
>
> It can't take that long to copy a post you just made to FB and paste
> it into an email. No need to retype the entire post. The people on the
> mailing list won't get the follow-ups by the group that are on the FB
> page but there's no reason they can't get announcements or other
> pertinent information about Legacy.
>
> *Many email 

Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping Function

[CE WOOD]

>From the lack of attention to the many who made them the company they once 
>were, it is a sad day.

CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
yp0uzqxoy...@opayq.com 
Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 7:06 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping Function


Chris Hill, the retired IT Guru can probably answer your question about 
Legacy’s Unicode capabilities, but as he said in a previous post, the 
underlying database is simply and Access table(s) which based on version has 
varying degrees of Unicode abilities.



When editing an Individual’s Information, the is a small vertical bar to the 
left of the data fields that allows you to add “special characters”; perhaps 
your u-double-acute.  You can select various character sets, but I don’t need 
it and would find it cumbersome if I did.



I for one could not abide MyHeritage.  I have a fairly capable computer with 
two SSD drives and a discrete graphics card running Windows 10 64 bit, but 
MyHeritage runs like molasses on it, and I finally removed it.  Plus, I’m not 
paying for another program, especially one that has all the symptoms of an 
early beta.



Legacy is a nice program, though it could use a cleaner interface, and I think 
in general, Millennia attempts to take care of its customers, but this very 
lengthy period without mapping is not endearing.  It is critical when selecting 
or finding accurate locations.



Should they fix the latest bugs introduced in .269 and bring a capable mapping 
function back, I’d be willing to upgrade to a version 10 if required.  Please 
don’t start any rumors about a new version.  I have no knowledge of one, nor 
any insights into what Millennia is working on.



Mark Trevithick

3rd generation Coloradan who’s left the once magnificent mountains to the 
Californicators…





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I am wondering whether this problem with the new Bing interface is related to 
the problem of Legacy not being able to accept data which uses Unicode 
characters, which most programs in this 21st century can, even Windows Notepad. 
I have raised the Unicode issue several times with Legacy in the past and have 
been told that it is because of the underlying database they use, and would 
require a major re-write of Legacy to fix, so, is unlikely to happen.

Legacy is an excellent and very capable genealogical program, but, unlike other 
popular genie programs, has this major weakness of not being able to support a 
wide range of characters in the data you enter. For example, I have ancestors 
in Hungary, but cannot enter names and places with their correct spelling 
because the English-speaking version of Legacy will not accept Eastern European 
characters, such as u-double-acute. It will accept only characters from the 
Western European character set. (Legacy versions in other languages would 
accept characters in their language of course, but only from the one respective 
256-character set ("code page"). But this is only one aspect of not being able 
to operate in a Unicode environment.

So, are we going to get a band-aid mapping facility, or is Millennia/MyHeritage 
going to bite the bullet and fix Legacy properly for the 21st century, or are 
they going to eventually fob us off on to MyHeritage's Family Tree Builder? At 
least that program can exist in a Unicode environment. Millennia's "Customer 
Service" certainly leaves its loyal users in the dark. Very sad. Come on 
Millennia, take your loyal users into your confidence - you might even end up 
losing less that way, if that's what you're scared of.

If you want to be totally depressed, check out this admittedly 2017 in-depth 
review of Legacy's situation:
https://www.tamurajones.net/MyHeritageBuysMilennnia.xhtml
Let's hope she's wrong.

Peter Matthews
(Grumpy Old Man on soapbox)

At 12:27 06-01-19 -0500, Ronald Bernier wrote:


POSTED BY MICHELLE SIMMONS LEWIS FOUR HOURS AGO ON THE FACEBOOK LEGACY GROUP

"Mapping will not be coming back in its current form. The developers are 
working on something new. Legacy’s platform is simply incompatible with the 
new Bing API.

I am closing the comments."
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Re: [LegacyUG] " Error 62 "

[CE WOOD]

Don't hold your breath. There are so many things that they just don't bother to 
fix - just one being the mapping feature problem recently posted here - one 
that other gene programs have managed to fix... but not Legacy.

CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Leon Chapman 
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 6:22 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] " Error 62 "

This is known problem and should be fixed in next update - soon.

Chap
¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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On Jan 4, 2019, at 6:40 PM, Valerie Garton 
mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I have several family files.

In " HIGGINSONODDS " file I have the following problems that are holding me up.

* Cannot get RIN's printed in any reports [ yes they are selected in customise]

* When trying to print family report " Error 62. Input past end of file ". This 
message will not go away.



I seem to be having different errors in all of my family files.





Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney. DNA - A086848, 
T756083, H947365, MyHeritage & gedmatch





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Re: [LegacyUG] wrapped emails - AOL

[CE WOOD]

DMARC Explained:
https://www.sparkpost.com/resources/email-explained/dmarc-explained/
[https://media.sparkpost.com/uploads/2016/11/DMARC_360x274-01.png?_t=1497306420]

DMARC Explained - 
SparkPost
Understanding DMARC. Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting, and 
Conformance, or DMARC, is a technical standard that helps protect email senders 
and recipients from spam, spoofing, and phishing.
www.sparkpost.com




CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Ian Thomas 
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:35 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] wrapped emails - AOL


Are there just more people on this list with AOL as ISP, or is something odd 
happening over the past couple of weeks?

(“The original message to the list is in the attachment.”)

Perhaps I should re-subscribe with my Hotmail email account ? (though I doubt 
that Hotmail and Outlook handle differently – they use the same server)



Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia


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Re: [LegacyUG] glitch with "user id" latest updat

[CE WOOD]

Legacy listens to only certain customers' requests. How many years now with 
customers begging for the return of the mapping function?


CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Jenny M Benson 
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 3:46 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] glitch with "user id" latest updat

On 30-Oct-18 11:23 PM, Ian Thomas wrote:
> I must be very unobservant, but I don’t see this change (I have the
> latest 9.0.0.258 installed). So it hasn’t irritated me.
>
Perhaps you have not got Legacy set up to show UserID on names.  It's
option 8.2 in the Customise menu.

I have to say that I am one of the ones who is irritated by this new
feature.  I don't want it in Reports either.  I am very pleased that
Legacy staff listen and respond to their customers' requests, but the
trouble is that although hundreds may request a new feature there may be
thousands who would not want it but don't know that they need to say so.
  It would never have occurred to me to contact Legacy to say "Please
don't ever put wording in front of UserID".


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Re: [LegacyUG] Map Family

[CE WOOD]

The original post to this now hijacked thread asked when the latest update of 
October 12th, removed the map and when it would be restored. So far, no reply 
to that.


CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Mary Louise Collier 
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:14 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Map Family


Any idea when this feature will again be available? When I updated my copy of 
Legacy 9 to the latest build, 9.0.0.258, the map disappeared and I have a 
message stating that the feature is under construction and not available at 
this time.
Mary Louise
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Re: [LegacyUG] Good IT can track headers

[CE WOOD]

Part of the full header reads:

"X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any 
abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mm1.emwd.com
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - opayq.com
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - legacyusers.com
X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: mm1.emwd.com: acl_c_authenticated_local_user: 
mailman/mailman
X-Authenticated-Sender: mm1.emwd.com: mail...@legacyusers.com
X-Source:
X-Source-Args:
X-Source-Dir:
X-Sender-Domain: emwd.com"

Knowledgeable IT can decipher all the stuff in the few complete headers that 
are included in some of these messages. Does Legacy still have programmers who 
can do that, or is this list farmed out to someone who does not know how to 
program?



CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Michele Lewis 
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 8:37 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: [LegacyUG] Emails Part III


I just unsubscribed three more email addresses





Michele Simmons Lewis, CG®

Legacy Educator

Legacy Family Tree/MyHeritage

mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

www.legacyfamilytree.com




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Re: [LegacyUG] Programmers?

[CE WOOD]

You totally miss the point! Legacy made its reputation on swift response from 
the programmers. Having now been acquired by MyHeritage, it is being milked for 
its reputation, which, as is an age-old tactic in such acquisitions, for its 
reputations. MyHeritage programmers were ludicrous; the company needed fresh 
blood, so acquired a reputable company, and is proceeding to eviscerate it 
while living off of it's reputation - for as long as that lasts.


Perhaps, just perhaps, Lwegacy programmers are trying (desperately) to create a 
decent database for MyHeritage.


If that happens to be the case (will I live so long), they are totally ignoring 
the concerns of the customers who made them such a prize that MyHeritage wanted 
to acquire them.


It happens in all businesses. It is so sad that the knowledgeable customers who 
pushed Legacy to add new features and correct problems, have been ignored for 
too many years. Problems used to be fixed soon. That is no longer the case. 
Alas.



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
bobstree2 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:48 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Programmers?

Great support reply,  Michelle!

Is 20 people in two months with major things they don't like, out of tens of 
thousands users, a large pct of unhappy users? I don't think so.

If users feel there is a better product they should get off this forum and 
switch products.

Let those who are here continue working together to keep this as the best 
product.   I am tired of these complainer s.   Nothing forcing them to stay.

If they wish to stay and complain, then they should complain to the support 
group, not the users.





 Original message 
From: mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
Date: 9/17/18 4:01 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Programmers?

Cindy,
I am a little confused. You said you have been using Legacy for several years 
but you are having problems getting info on how to generate reports, publish 
etc. There have been no changes in how reports are generated (a few more 
options have been added to make the reports cooler).

1) On every screen in Legacy there is a Help button.  If you click the Help 
button it will take you to the appropriate location in the Help File for that 
topic so that you don't have to search for what you are looking for.

2) Legacy 9 now includes the PDF version of the User's Guide.  In previous 
versions this was a separate purchase.

3) We also have Knowledge Base articles that are searchable here 
http://support.legacyfamilytree.com

4) The Legacy videos (free) are here 
http://www.familytreewebinars.com/legacy_videos.php

5) You are a member of the mailing list and you can ask any questions here

6) If you are on Facebook there is a Legacy Users Group there that has over 
18,000 members.  You can join here 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/LegacyUserGroup/

Both of the Legacy Users Groups are monitored by some of the staff, beta 
testers, and translators.

7) Here is a collection of Legacy 101 articles
http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2018/05/compilation-of-legacy-101articles.html

You can get most of your questions answered using these tools.  If there is a 
question that you haven't been able to find the answer to you can email us at 
supp...@legacyfamilytree.com  or if you have a suggestion for a new feature you 
would like to see, you can submit it here 
https://legacyfamilytree.com/Suggest.asp

Michele Simmons Lewis, CG®
Legacy Educator
Legacy Family Tree/MyHeritage
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From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Cindy Custer
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 3:40 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Programmers?

I have been using Legacy for several years and have over 1,000 names in my 
database.
However, I also recently upgraded to Legacy 9 and have been having problems 
getting
info on how to generate reports, publish, etc.

If Legacy has been sold to someone else whose programmers are not going to be 
responsive
I would consider moving to another platform or software if there is one as 
robust as Legacy.
Any suggestions?




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Re: [LegacyUG] Programmers?

[CE WOOD]

Since it nothing ever happens, people have stopped trying, which is probably 
what they wanted to have happen anyway.



CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Cathy Pinner 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 5:30 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Programmers?

We'd all like our pet bugs fixed. I know I have a few.

However, the programmers are not doing nothing.
Current GR release is no 226. Current beta release is 253. Each release
has numbers of fixes to test.

If you have particular problems in mind, you need to contact Support or
send them in so they get entered or updated in the bug tracking, not
report here where they mostly go nowhere.

Cathy

Ronald E Howell via LegacyUserGroup wrote on 17/09/2018 5:15 AM:
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 2:13 PM Ian Macaulay  > wrote:
>
> I am beginning to think that the programmers of Lagacy all quit
> when the company sold, or they have gone to sleep.
>
> The simplest of fixes has not been done and there is no sign of
> any real changes or updates to the code.
>
> For example how hard is it to make a field unique entry.  The FAG
> number should be unique and yet  this program keeps erasing the
> number when its duplicated, not when its entered where it would be
> noticed but only after a cleanup.
>
> Rule #1 "do not destroy customer data"
>
> Yep, I just got angry,  sorry.
>
> Ian
>


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Re: [LegacyUG] Programmers?

[CE WOOD]

Mapping does not work in any of the previous versions because Legacy is not 
interested in making it work. It is SIMPLE MANY other sites QUICKLY updated 
to the new Bing standards, but Legacy, quite obviously, can't be bothered. So 
much for listening to the people who made Legacy into a great program. Now they 
are ruining it.


CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Gene Wheeler 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 6:09 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Programmers?

There seems to be three options for us frustrated with the lack of mapping in 
v.9 Go back to v.8, change to another program, e.g. RootsMagic, or just 
live with the current situation. The last option is the least preferable.

Gene

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 7:58 PM, Gene Hutson 
mailto:bigfish68...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I too am afraid that the Legacy we all knew and cherished has gone the

way of the dinosaur, like so many of our relatives we research now, never

to be forgotten… but never to be resurrected either.



We used to see sporadic updates… now it just seems we go along with the

flow. Sad to see it happen, but not totally unexpected either.



Sent from 
Mail
 for Windows 10



From: betty hayden bickham
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 3:02 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Programmers?



agree  totally.so many problems and not really any solutionsbought 
my LAST update since originally marketed



On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 2:13 PM Ian Macaulay 
mailto:macau...@icmac.ca>> wrote:

I am beginning to think that the programmers of Lagacy all quit when the 
company sold, or they have gone to sleep.



The simplest of fixes has not been done and there is no sign of any real 
changes or updates to the code.



For example how hard is it to make a field unique entry.  The FAG number should 
be unique and yet  this program keeps erasing the number when its duplicated, 
not when its entered where it would be noticed but only after a cleanup.



Rule #1 "do not destroy customer data"



Yep, I just got angry,  sorry.



Ian



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Re: [LegacyUG] have been unable to get location mapping function to work

[CE WOOD]

They don't have a solution because it is not important to them. It is an easy 
fix; others did it very soon after Bing changed their maps. Bing provides help. 
Millennia could fix it, but don't making several of their functions now 
unusable. Perhaps they lost good programmers that caused their acquisition by 
MyHeritage; perhaps the good programmers left after acquisition; perhaps their 
programmers have been told to not spend time on mapping. Sad.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
dwq...@gmail.com 
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 4:18 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] have been unable to get location mapping function to 
work


I also have been waiting a long time for this fix and am beginning to believe 
that Millenia doesn’t have a solution at hand and is waiting for something else 
to happen – the grand online merging of Legacy & MyHeritage?  Many 
reasons/excuses have been given by well-meaning Legacy supporters, but enough 
is enough!!  It’s time some “truth” about the situation, ie, something beyond 
“the problem was caused by Bing Maps; it is difficult to fix; we’re working on 
it, but will not give any progress updates or estimates for when the fix will 
be completed”.

Very sad, in my opinion.



Donald Quigley

Safety Harbor, FL

Quigley Doyle Family 
Tree







From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
ltsj...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 7:06 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] have been unable to get location mapping function to 
work



Hi,



I have also asked about this. It has been over a year since I downloaded Legacy 
9.0 and I still can not use the mapping function.



Why does Legacy continue to promote a program that does not include all of the 
features that their customers have paid for?



Somehow all of the add-on programs continue to be promoted but the Legacy 
program itself cannot provide a function that was part of previous versions of 
Legacy.



How much longer will we have to be patient?



Thanks, Steve W.



From: LegacyUserGroup 
mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
 On Behalf Of David Paine
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 11:43 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] have been unable to get location mapping function to work



I have downloaded and installed Legacy 9.0.0.226.



I have tried unsuccessfully on both Windows 8.1 and Windows 10.



I have downloaded and installed the geodata file.



Internet is permanently online.



I have been unable to view maps (neither by using “Map My Family” nor from the 
Location master list) with my own gedcom imports and with the sample legacy 
file.



If I select the master list “Geo-code” button and then select “geo-code all 
un-resolved locations through Bing Maps”, I receive the message “Bing Maps has 
not finished loading yet.  Geo-coding of all locations is not available until 
the map is loaded.”



Any suggestions would be appreciated.



  *   DavidP
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Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

[CE WOOD]

Your plethora of "St. Church" locations is easily solved by putting the Town 
first - "Bamburgh Church of St. Mary" or "Bamburgh St. Mary's Church".


That also keeps report indices sorted by town.



CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Chris Hill 
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:26 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

Hi Cathy

That was pretty well what I had suspected. It almost seems that the 
developers only built half of the system with dealing with locations/places vs 
addresses, or just added addresses as a later extension.

I started using the locations to locate a physical area such as a Village 
or Town / / County / Country (being UK based and based on the GeoLocation 
list), with occasional extensions to add further sub-units, such as Hatcham, 
New Cross, , Surrey, England where Hatcham, Surrey would be misleading.

I then started finding references to churches, as in baptisms and 
marriages, and started adding those to the location list, and my current 
locations list is around 2500 entries, of which 200 or so start with St church 
/ location. I rather suspect that this is what most users do. But this started 
to become more complex, especially as those entries were included in the 
Location index in reports at the building level.

So I then started looking at the Address fields, which happily show up as 
an icon on the marriage and events, or as Address.. option against birth, 
baptism, death and buried entries. Now, as I am working through my database, I 
am moving all of the entries in Location that refer to a building, or vessel, 
into the Address entries, where I can be specific to the building or church by 
street and location. Currently I have nearly 500 churches, or equivalent, and 
more than 100 other addresses. The reverse is that I have removed many of those 
from the Locations list since they map to a single location.

My feeling is that I am working the 'right' way to record Addresses as 
being different from Locations. but that the system, while supporting both, 
does not have sufficient support for addresses or integration between addresses 
and locations.

Regards

Chris

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To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 23/07/2018 03:28:57
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

Chris,
Searching on Marriage Address isn't available.

I think the only thing you can do is work from the Master List for Event 
Addresses (View - Master Lists - Addresses - Event) and the Show List options 
there.

OR, as you say, go direct to the Access database and use SQL since you appear 
to know how. So long as you make a backup before you do this, you can always 
recover if you don't get it right.

Put in a suggestion to include Addresses in the Search options for Marriage.

;) I don't use Event Addresses in Legacy. The tools for Locations are far 
better.
Because I don't use them, I rarely think of asking for them to be improved. I 
leave that to those that do use them.
Nothing I do depends on keeping to the artificial 4 location field idea (which 
works for most USA locations but not for those in Australia or England where 
the majority of my research is) so I enter locations from smallest unit to 
country and sort the location list right to left.

Cathy

Chris Hill 
Sunday, 22 July 2018 11:29 PM
Hi Jenny

No, that does not work and gives very odd responses. The problem is that I 
need to look at the Addresses with the small house icon and not at the Place of 
the event or marriage.

Regards

Chris

Jenny M Benson 
Sunday, 22 July 2018 10:23 PM

I don't think I'm quite sure exactly what you want to search for, but will 
searching for a Marriage with Marriage Place empty AND a secondary condition of 
Marriage with Marriage Event-Place not empty do what you need?
Chris Hill 
Sunday, 22 July 2018 9:47 PM
Where necessary, usually for baptism, death and marriages, I normally place 
the location of the church etc. into the corresponding fields in the individual 
or the marriage, and for marriages I also place them into events for marriage 
banns and witnesses. This then means that if I enable it in the reports I will 
get the (address text) in the report, which I can control as required.

My problem is that I have found that I may have missed putting the 
addresses on marriage itself, but have put them on the marriage events. What I 
cannot find is a search or report that will identify this condition, and not 
even one that will list the addresses listed on the marriages and their events 
so that I can locate those that I need to fix, and I have 3500 marriages in my 
database.

I could probably fix it will a single SQL statement against the database, 
but don't really want to try that.

Regards

Chris



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Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Warning about MyHeritage / OFF LIST / Personal Emails

[CE WOOD]

I agree that Family Tree Builder is far inferior to Legacy. I am sure feedback 
to that effect from many like me made them anxious to acquire Legacy.


The problem with uploading new gedcoms and deleting the old ones is that any 
relationships and photos of people in your previous gedcom will have to be 
reconnected. If you have a large list of members, you must manually reenter ALL 
of those!


Also, so far, MyHeritage is unable to calculate relationships beyond the first 
cousins (sometimes second) if you have a large gedcom. Their support sometimes 
is willing to enter those relationships for you, but if you delete the old 
gedcom, you must again prevail upon them to do do it all over again. For 
photos, you will have to reenter them yourself. But even if your thirs cousins 
are not so identified, MyHeritage will not include those specially entered 
relatives in your list of people whose birthdays and anniversaries are in the 
calendar!


Your only option, if you have, say a third cousins, is to choose ALL relatives! 
It will keep you busy responding to your members about who those people are! 
That is, if you have have reconnected them. Many will wonder why their photos 
are not visible. I have not the time nor energy to reconnect photos to all the 
people in my tree each time I upload a new gedcom! That is not why I am doing 
genealogy!


I have had to prune my members because I am more interested in having correctly 
sourced facts and relatives than padding my database with dubious connections. 
I am appalled at the totally false matches that MyHeritage presents (internet 
trees are NOT sources!)


Was Legacy is such dire straits? They could have raised their prices and 
maintained their integrity rather than lose their place as a premier program. 
Such a shame!



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Cathy Pinner 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:22 PM
To: Legacy User Group; johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Warning about MyHeritage / OFF LIST / Personal 
Emails

John,
It sounds as if you've at some time installed Family Tree Builder, the 
MyHeritage desktop program that syncs with MyHeritage trees.
If you want to remove it, you need to uninstall the program.
It should be in your Apps list (Settings - Apps in Windows 10) and called 
MyHeritage Family Tree Builder

It's nothing to do with Legacy.
Note that it is set by default to start on Starting your computer so you'll 
need to go to your computer Task Manager (in windows 10 you can right click the 
Taskbar to access) Startup Tab, find it and disable it.

I installed it last week just to take a look and see if it was a viable way to 
upload to MyHeritage. I decided it was probably easier to make a new gedcom of 
the people I wanted to upload and just upload a new tree and delete the old one 
than work out whether I could import and merge (wanting to add another branch 
to my online tree for DNA matching as my cousin has given me permission to 
manage her DNA on MH).

Apologies if I've given you more information than you need. I don't know how 
computer literate you are.

Cathy
johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
Wednesday, 27 June 2018 12:28 PM
I am having difficulty deleting MyHeritage from my computer. I found its folder 
on my C drive within another folder named “Program Files (x86)”. When I 
right-click then click delete, a pop-up message says “The action can’t be 
completed because the folder or a file in it is open in another program”. All 
my other programs were however closed. Could the problem be that Legacy keeps a 
connection to MyHeritage in order to conduct the background website searches on 
family trees? I cannot think of any other program that may be using MyHeritage. 
It was previously pinned to the taskbar but not now. Any help would be greatly 
appreciated.

My computer uses Windows 7. I have deleted MyHeritage on the “All Programs” 
list but it cannot be deleted as noted above.

John

-Original Message- From: Arnold Sprague
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:13 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Warning about MyHeritage / OFF LIST / Personal 
Emails

Ward,
As we like to say, "It's confusing."
Here is part of the overhead in your message:

--> From: "Ward Walker" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 

Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2018 15:23:11 -0400
X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Warning about
MyHeritage / OFF LIST / Personal Emails
--> Reply-To: Legacy User Group 

Sender: "LegacyUserGroup" 


When one replies, one expects, at least
I do, that the reply will go to the person/e-mail address in the FROM line.
However, the reply will actually go to

Re: [LegacyUG] Have I been unsubscribed?

[CE WOOD]

With all the hacks in recent years, many people have access to your passwords. 
Change them at least once a year and always after a hack has been made public.
Use a password safe like KeePass in which to store them, and go to Password 
Strength Meter:  https://www.my1login.com/resources/password-strength-test/ to 
find out the strength of your new password.


Changing often is best because once hacked, your old one is no good no matter 
how strong it is. Phrases are better than combinations of random letters, 
symbols, numbers, etc. Computers run through those combinations in seconds, but 
phrases are harder to decode and easier to remember.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
marion wimsett <2wi...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2018 5:21 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Have I been unsubscribed?


Hi John,

I can see your message as well. As Jennie said the email sounds suspicious – 
especially as it has your password! I’m not sure but I don’t believe Legacy 
actually know our passwords and I’m sure they wouldn’t send it to you. Time to 
change passwords quickly I would suggest!

Marion



Sent from 
Mail
 for Windows 10



From: Jennie Matheson
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2018 4:45 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Have I been unsubscribed?



Hi John



Your message has come through so it does not seem as if you have been 
unsubscribed. Are you still receiving list messages? The email you received 
sounds suspicious to me.



Jennie



On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 6:30 AM, John Francis 
mailto:pint...@globalnet.co.uk>> wrote:

I have received an email purporting to come from this group, informing me that 
my membership of the group has been disabled "due to excessive bounces", 
whatever that means. I am then given various links through which I can 
re-enable my membership, and am told that I can visit my membership page (I 
didn't know I had one!), and even tells me my password, which seems rather odd. 
All in all, this looks to me like a scam. Can anyone throw any light on this?

Regards,

John Francis
(Suffolk, UK)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Warning about MyHeritage

[CE WOOD]

For Paypal to make a payment automatically, you have to have specifically 
permitted such a payment in the automated payment section of your account.


Cheers, Carolyn



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 12:56 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Warning about MyHeritage


Before I sent the email to the LUG, I spoke to my bank and PayPal. They saw the 
transaction on their systems but did not mention anything about it being a 
possible scam. PayPal told me to send a complaint to the email address, which I 
did.

John

From: Jennie Matheson
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 5:40 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Warning about MyHeritage

John

Are you sure the email was definitely from MY Heritage not someone spoofing 
their email. Sounds more like the later to me.

Jennie

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 5:19 PM, 
mailto:johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au>> wrote:

About an hour ago I received an update notice for MyHeritage software. I 
clicked on the update to ensure that my computer was protected with the latest 
patches. Very shortly afterward I received an email confirming a subscription 
to My Heritage. I did not want it. I did not see anything asking if I wanted a 
subscription. It was paid via PayPal even though I had not touched my PayPal 
account.

I had not used a MyHeritage subscription for a very long time because I did not 
like MyHeritage. Their software was however still on my computer. I was short 
of time and am not tech savvy so I clicked on the software update to protect my 
computer from “backdoor” cyber attacks. With hindsight, it was a bit odd 
because I do not recall ever receiving software update notices from MyHeritage 
in the past.

I am disgusted with MyHeritage and fear that they will eventually corrupt 
Millennia / Legacy. When I have time, I will try to delete MyHeritage software 
from my computer.

Be warned!



John

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Re: [LegacyUG] obituaries

[CE WOOD]

Because I have many kinds of articles from certain newspapers, I found it much 
more helpful to enter the name of the newspaper as the source, putting "Society 
page", Obits, etc., with the date and page number in the Citation details, the 
text in Citation text, and link to my copy of the article.



Cheers, CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
sarahla...@charter.net 
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 3:47 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] obituaries

I also enter them as an event with the source as "Newspaper Obituaries" and 
entering the name and date of the newspaper in the details.

Sarah Lange


-

From: "Jean Gobel"
To: "LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com"
Cc:
Sent: Sunday April 22 2018 4:40:00PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] obituaries

I am having a hard time deciding where or how to enter obituaries. Years
ago I started putting them on the bottom half of the medical notes. Then I
moved to burial notes, along with FAG info. When Geoff or someone mentioned
putting obits as an event, so you could make a report of all people who had
obit, I started putting them as events, which I still do. Now I am working
on sourcing them (I do not use sourcewriter) and have entered some in the
detail of the source. I am confused. What is the best way of entering
obits, so you can have them appear on reports? Is there a webinar
specifically covering this? Thanks for suggestions.
Jean Gobel
Lakewood, WA, USA


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Re: [LegacyUG] STOP THE AFN Numbers Poll

[CE WOOD]

It is shocking that so people refused to comply to Michele's post requesting 
that people stop replying on list to her request, but contact her directly.


"michele<https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com=from:%22michele%22>
 Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:25:53 
-0800<https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com=date:20180220>
Anyone who has not voted yet on the AFN field, you can email me directly at
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com <mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com>  so that
we don't generate anymore posts to the list.

Michele Lewis, CGR"

You may have unlimited storage, speed, and time to waste, but not everyone 
does. Please be considerate!


CE

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of CE WOOD
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 4:42 PM
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] STOP THE AFN Numbers Poll


Yes, we LUGgites (as in "luddites" who eschew Facebook) would indeed have felt 
left out.



However, because there is no Digest form of this list, we get inundated with 
emails.



Facebook does not. Replies there are listed under the post, in a digest-like 
form, and do not clog up one's email account. I assume you are familiar with 
that Michelle, right?



A little forethought would helped. You should have asked that replies be sent 
directly to you, Michelle, rather than to the list.




CE


From: LegacyUserGroup 
<legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com<mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
 on behalf of mich...@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com> 
<mich...@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 4:19 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] STOP THE AFN Numbers Poll

JoAnn,
The reason I put the poll on the LUG mailing list is that the Lug mailing list 
was complaining about being left out of the stuff we are posting on Facebook. 
The developers and the staff wanted to see if anyone was still using the AFN 
field for actual AFN numbers.  If I had not considered the people on the LUG 
mailing list there would have been complaints that we only care about what the 
people on the Facebook LUG have to save about it.


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-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of JoAnne Flynn
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:11 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
<legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] STOP THE AFN Numbers Poll

For heaven sake stop this Poll. I'm sick of my email filling up with nonsense.

On Feb 20, 2018, at 4:54 PM, Ruth Frank via LegacyUserGroup 
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Re: [LegacyUG] STOP THE AFN Numbers Poll

[CE WOOD]

Yes, we LUGgites (as in "luddites" who eschew Facebook) would indeed have felt 
left out.


However, because there is no Digest form of this list, we get inundated with 
emails.


Facebook does not. Replies there are listed under the post, in a digest-like 
form, and do not clog up one's email account. I assume you are familiar with 
that Michelle, right?


A little forethought would helped. You should have asked that replies be sent 
directly to you, Michelle, rather than to the list.



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 4:19 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] STOP THE AFN Numbers Poll

JoAnn,
The reason I put the poll on the LUG mailing list is that the Lug mailing list 
was complaining about being left out of the stuff we are posting on Facebook. 
The developers and the staff wanted to see if anyone was still using the AFN 
field for actual AFN numbers.  If I had not considered the people on the LUG 
mailing list there would have been complaints that we only care about what the 
people on the Facebook LUG have to save about it.


Michele Lewis, CG®
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-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of JoAnne Flynn
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:11 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] STOP THE AFN Numbers Poll

For heaven sake stop this Poll. I’m sick of my email filling up with nonsense.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping feature

[CE WOOD]

What all the good it will do, AMEN!


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Leo MacDonald 
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 8:46 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping feature


I agree with everyone else on this mapping problem, I have spent a lot of time 
entering the coordinates to my locations and since the mapping program broke 
down I've added over a hundred new locations. The mapping feature is one of the 
major selling points for this program, the programmers need to put aside some 
of their fine tuning projects and concentrate on repairing the mapping feature 
as soon as possible.



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Mary Young 
Sent: February 4, 2018 7:12 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping feature

My situation exactly. I have spent untold hours mapping my locations to exact 
addresses. All that work now feels wasted, and I can't progress this project.
Mary Young

On Sunday, 4 February 2018, Steve Wilson 
> wrote:

Hi,



I have to agree with Paul. This needs to be a priority for Millennia,



Thanks, Steve Wilson

Gaithersburg, MD



From: LegacyUserGroup 
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com]
 On Behalf Of Paul Rogers
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:16 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping feature



I was a heavy user of the mapping feature and was in the middle of a large 
verification project which has now had to be put on the back burner.



What concerns me though is that we have heard very little from Millennia about 
this. Are they doing a work-around? Or perhaps doing a re-write to use Google 
maps instead (my personal preference)?



It would just be nice if they kept us in the loop as to what was happening.



On Mon, 29 Jan 2018, 13:46 Brian Kelly, 
> wrote:

Ian,

Because the old API for mapping was discontinued by Microsoft ALL
versions of Legacy which used mapping no longer work. That includes 7.5,
8.0 and earlier builds of 9.0. There is no way to revert to an earlier
version where you can still use mapping.

Brian Kelly

On 29-Jan-18 3:47 AM, Ian Thomas wrote:
> But I wouldn’t revert to a prior version of Legacy FT in which it was still 
> working… I would lose too many nice new features in v9.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping feature

[CE WOOD]

Obviously after so long and so many complaints, Legacy really does not give a 
fig! Gives one good reason to wonder what the future holds...


CE



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Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping feature

[CE WOOD]

Damn them!




From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Ronald Bernier 
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:00 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping feature

Actually, it was a decision of Microsoft/Bing to change their API and break the 
mapping within Legacy.  It was not a decision of Millennia/Legacy.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:46 PM Ian Thomas 
> wrote:

Windows 10 updates (eg, 1709) have not caused the ‘Mapping’ in Legacy FT to 
disappear. That was a decision of Millennium.



ILT

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia



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Sent: Sunday, 28 January 2018 9:03 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mapping feature



This certainly answers my questions about the map. I have tried everything to 
get it back, only to discover that this horrible Windows 1709 update is causing 
even more problems.



On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 4:11 PM, Mary Wilson 
> wrote:

Thank you everyone so much: I was on the phone with tech support thinking that 
I was having issues with my computer not downloading, so I appreciate all the 
answers.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2018, at 3:54 PM, Ian Thomas 
> wrote:

Mary, it is ‘broken’ for everyone with the latest update (9.0.0.198) to Legacy 
Family Tree.

I understand that this is because Microsoft have changed the way that 
programmers can interface with Bing Maps, and I think the new way (the API or 
applications programming interface) costs software developers substantially 
more than before.



ILT

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia



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Behalf Of Mary Wilson
Sent: Friday, 26 January 2018 9:30 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
>
Subject: [LegacyUG] Mapping feature



I cannot get the maps to show in the mapping feature: the list is there for the 
family selected, the place for the map appears, blank. I have checked the  
'show map' box in the master location list,I have a deluxe edition and current 
build. I am online,

It used to work, but I haven't tried in a few months and don't know if I missed 
something. I know I had to reinstall when I had computer issues, but everything 
else seems fine, at least that I know of.

Any suggestions: the archive was no help

Mary

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Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test

[CE WOOD]

And, to top it all off, some dubious genealogies on the internet trace all of 
us back to Adam and Eve.  


Which, of course, means we all have the same ancestors. Kool-Aid anyone?



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of 
johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au <johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 4:12 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test


Birth, marriage and death records are usually not available from thousands of 
years ago but I agree that mtDNA and Y-DNA can in some cases provide useful or 
interesting information, especially if you are very interested in tracing 
ethnicities and migrations.

For example, my mother’s ancestors were from a village at the base of Asiago 
Plateau in the mountains of northern Italy. I have very strong circumstantial 
or indirect evidence that those ancestors included people from the very top of 
the plateau who claim to be descendants of survivors of a tribe of Scandinavian 
Cimbri who invaded Italy and were almost wiped out 1,000 years ago. They 
remained quite insular for many centuries and there are still a few who speak 
the almost extinct language. My DNA supports the other evidence- it contains a 
lot of Scandinavian DNA and my mother’s mtDNA haplogroup is consistent with it 
coming from her side of my family. (I will keep trying to find the birth, death 
and marriage records that may connect me to the Cimbri. Meanwhile I enjoy 
telling relatives that everything, including DNA, points to us having ancestors 
from a “lost tribe” of Cimbri.)

MtDNA and Y-DNA can also provide “fun facts” about your ancestry from many 
thousands of years ago. The Genographic Project 2.0 provides a “Genius” matches 
with who you share DNA with. The relationships are so old that in one sense it 
is useless information but it is still fun. I have thirteen such matches from 
just my line of mtDNA another of Y-DNA. Some examples include:

Within the last 12,000 years I shared ancestors with both Queen Victoria and 
Nikola Tesla.

Between 45,000 and 65,000 years ago, I shared ancestors with Abraham Lincoln, 
Charles Darwin, Genghis Khan, King Tutankhamun and various other “geniuses”. 
Everybody would geniuses in their trees.

It is very difficult to get your head around the complexity of DNA, and the 
more you dig, the more complex it becomes. I encourage everyone to persist in 
getting a reasonable understanding of how it may or may not assist genealogy 
research, before you spend a lot of money on it. Genealogy marketers can take 
advantage of your ignorance.

To help guide your research, make sense of DNA and ethnicities, and “put flesh 
on the bones”, I strongly recommend researching the history of your ancestors’ 
villages and provinces- invasions, trade routes, waves of migration etc.

John

From: Ian Macaulay<mailto:macau...@icmac.ca>

Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:11 AM
To: Legacy User Group<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test

Yes indeed Mongolians in Italy will show as Mongolian.   However  given two 
beings and their DNA the comparisons of such will give you information.  That 
information may be of value to you or may not.
I have been lucky in that several third party groups have been fascinated 
enough to explore My DNA lines ( By My I mean our, the DNA Group that I have 
been linked to),   There is a whole branch of science attached to determining 
the variations in each bit of the DNA, SNP's  and determining the time and 
distance between them.

Keeping in mind My poor Friend MR. Denis ( ) who has had only the one hit 
for the past 12 Years,  He has no family through DNA.  If your relatives do not 
go up for testing , you will not find them.via the DNA test.

Ian

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 4:04 PM, CE WOOD 
<wood...@msn.com<mailto:wood...@msn.com>> wrote:

Not so. DNA tests do not tell you about thousands of years ago. They match your 
DNA to what they have in their own database from others who have contributed. 
If a high percentage of Mongolians happen to now live in Italy, and have 
contributed to the database, you will be matched with Italy, not Mongolia. DNA 
misinformation is rampant and disturbing. If only reputable geneticists had the 
time and inclination to be involved with DNA testing for fun, we would all 
benefit.



“DNA Done Right

…how to use DNA in genealogy.

There are basically 2 kinds of DNA for that purpose: Y and mt. yDNA is 
transmitted by the father to his sons and only to them. mtDNA is transmitted by 
the mother to all her children, but only the daughters will transmit it to the 
next generation.

So what you have to prove is ONE line, not ALL lines. Or TWO lines (from 2 
tested to the common ancestors), one for each tested.

As to confirm a great-grandparent not in Y or mt line, then it would be by 
autosomal DNA.

At FTDNA, I found grand

Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test

[CE WOOD]

Not so. DNA tests do not tell you about thousands of years ago. They match your 
DNA to what they have in their own database from others who have contributed. 
If a high percentage of Mongolians happen to now live in Italy, and have 
contributed to the database, you will be matched with Italy, not Mongolia. DNA 
misinformation is rampant and disturbing. If only reputable geneticists had the 
time and inclination to be involved with DNA testing for fun, we would all 
benefit.



"DNA Done Right

...how to use DNA in genealogy.

There are basically 2 kinds of DNA for that purpose: Y and mt. yDNA is 
transmitted by the father to his sons and only to them. mtDNA is transmitted by 
the mother to all her children, but only the daughters will transmit it to the 
next generation.

So what you have to prove is ONE line, not ALL lines. Or TWO lines (from 2 
tested to the common ancestors), one for each tested.

As to confirm a great-grandparent not in Y or mt line, then it would be by 
autosomal DNA.

At FTDNA, I found grand-parents who compared to their grand-sons.

Father vs son: shared 3,384 cM, 267 is the longest block.

In other words, we have 23 pairs of chromosomes and 1 of each of them is from 
the father.

For the next generation, grand-son to grand-parents, we have (rounded for 
privacy reasons) : 1300 to 2000 cM shared, or 40 to 60%. I have not found a 
ggparent, but it would be 40% of 40% to 60% of 60%, i.e. 16% to 36%.

So, for close relatives, we may estimate the relationship, but after 3 
generations, you are +/- 1 generation, i.e. accuracy is lost quickly. That 
said, you won't use triangulation in that context. You can compare people but 
the accuracy is such that if you want to conclude, you must compare each person 
and each of their chromosomes, which is so more complex than comparing 2 lines 
like Y or mt DNA.

Anyway, FTDNA stops comparing at 5th cousin, which is too short for any 
medieval link. Denis

[Denis Beauregard, généalogiste émérite (FQSG)]"


"Using Y DNA for Medieval Genealogy
1.  You do not have to submit Big Y results to Y Full.  There is at least one 
other service that will extract the SNPs, or you can learn how to do it 
yourself.  Everyone in the AS121210 cluster had issues with YFull.  They're in 
Russia. They provide no details about themselves, no phone number, and no 
contact address, on their web site. Some of us had concerns about the privacy 
of data. They seem to do good work, but I don't care for their setup or their 
attitude. What is more, it is plain wrong to do what the haplogroup I project 
admins are doing, which is getting people to do Y DNA testing and then telling 
them they have to pay YFull $49 to get the results!
Project admins ought to be capable of extracting SNPs from BAM files 
themselves. There are utilities out there for doing that.
Most people doing this work are going to belong to large R1b clades or large 
I1a clades, not brand new and tiny new branches of haplogroup I1 where little 
work has been done, like AS121210 - but we've begun to make the effort. We can 
at least see who shares what, and what we don't share, and then argue about how 
old that is. It can certainly provide useful information about the relative 
time when branches branched off.  Unfortunately, the first line to split off 
was probably the Jewish family, and we won't be able to get them to do a Big Y.
2.  Someone asked about what kind of DNA testing she would use to get results. 
I'm not sure what results she wants and that would determine what testing she 
would use.
Mitochondrial DNA won't usually identify recent relatives because it changes 
over time periods of thousands and not hundreds of years. It can sometimes 
usefully rule people in and out as relatives or ancestors.
For recent relatives, 3rd cousins or closer, who are not of your paternal line, 
usually one does autosomal DNA. Autosomal DNA can identify, or confirm, 
ancestors at times as far back as the 16th century, but not at all reliably. At 
that distance one also runs into the likelihood of sharing more than one 
ancestral couple, and results that there is no way to make sense of.  I keep 
appearing to be descended from the Rev. Thomas Hooker family. The Hooker family 
repeatedly lived where my people lived, but we'd need better evidence than 
that if they shared more than the word of God with their congregations.
For one's male line, one usually starts with 37 markers or 67 marker STR 
haplotype at Family Tree DNA.   67 marker is most useful down the road, but 
sometimes 37 markers yields enough information, especially in the unusual event 
one has no matches at all at that level.   Sometimes people want to know if 
they belong to a surname group but not where in the surname group they belong. 
One can do a 111 marker upgrade to see if a common ancestor lived very 
recently. Unlike the autosomal DNA test it can't specifically identify your 
father.
SNPs come in handy if you aren't satisfied with your 

Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test

[CE WOOD]

The popular DNA tests match you with people who have similar DNA live NOW!


They do NOT match you with the place from which your DNA may have originated!


This misconception is fostered by the sites that are deluding you.



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of 
Cathy Pinner <genea...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 6:30 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test

The least valid part of a DNA test is the ethnicity estimate.

Load your results to GedMatch. They have a number of different options
for calculating your ethnicity - but that's just for fun.

The real results are the matches you have with other people.
Understanding those results takes patience as there's a learning curve.
I know I've barely started on that. The value is being able to see
significant matches to other people and thus after further research
being able to confirm or disprove your research with DNA.

There are lots of webinars on understanding DNA and the various test
results.
If you're going to capitalise on the investment you've made in getting
your DNA tested, then you should invest in learning how to use the results.

There are various discussions on how people are using Legacy to track
matches including this one from Michele in the Legacy blog.
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.legacyfamilytree.com%2Flegacy_news%2F2017%2F08%2Fhow-i-use-hashtags-to-track-my-dna-matches.html=02%7C01%7C%7Ccbb6b2657e3646e1f84408d561403a06%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636521850827701278=Nd0T9Sq5TVBcjWVH7pwI%2B48qwXspEKQSdkyNmsXwin8%3D=0

Cathy


> CE WOOD <mailto:wood...@msn.com>
> Monday, 22 January 2018 10:06 AM
>
> You are absolutely correct. Ask any geneticist! It is incredibly
> complicated. If you research your family, research DNA testing!
>
>
> The whole premise is flawed, to say nothing of the total lack of
> privacy concerning your results. Those may well affect your ability to
> obtain medical insurance and even employment. There is NO privacy. The
> results are a joke, as well documented, both here and elsewhere, BUT
> they may impact your whole life and those of your descendants because
> the false results are available the highest bidder.
>
>
> By the way, I have a bridge to sell you.
>
>
> CE
>
>
> 
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on
> behalf of Edward Fenn <edwardf...@xtra.co.nz>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2018 3:09 PM
> *To:* 'Legacy User Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test
>
> This little flurry of erroneous DNA results reinforces my view that
> the current obsession with DNA as a genealogy tool serves more the
> commercial profiting from a quite recent and important scientific
> discovery, than adding any certainty to our family tree.
>
> Edward
>
> *From:*LegacyUserGroup
> [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Ward
> Walker
> *Sent:* Monday, 22 January 2018 10:19 a.m.
> *To:* Legacy User Group
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test
>
> Agree, and you can create events or notes to document specific matches
> or triangulations that you might find (as you could with Y-DNA matches).
>
> I think that the broad ethnic background tests are still a bit of a
> black art. Different companies produce different results. And how far
> back do you go? If a British ancestor has ancestors that originally
> came from Normandy in the 11th century, is that British or NW Europe?
> My Italian ancestry is partly shown as Iberian and Greek, even though
> those people came to Italy several hundred years ago.
>
>Ward
>
> *From:*Jerry Case
>
> *Sent:*Sunday, January 21, 2018 3:46 PM
>
> *To:*legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
> <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
>
> *Subject:*Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test
>
> Kevin -
> This has been discussed before and, as I remember, the answer is that
> the autosomal results are too massive to include in Legacy. Plus, they
> would be difficult to interpret in Legacy. Putting the lengthy raw
> results into Legacy would swell the files unacceptably.
> Jerry Case
> On 1/21/2018 11:31 AM, Kevin Ferguson wrote:
>
> --
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test

[CE WOOD]

You are absolutely correct. Ask any geneticist! It is incredibly complicated. 
If you research your family, research DNA testing!


The whole premise is flawed, to say nothing of the total lack of privacy 
concerning your results. Those may well affect your ability to obtain medical 
insurance and even employment. There is NO privacy. The results are a joke, as 
well documented, both here and elsewhere, BUT they may impact your whole life 
and those of your descendants because the false results are available the 
highest bidder.


By the way, I have a bridge to sell you.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Edward Fenn 
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 3:09 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test


This little flurry of erroneous DNA results reinforces my view that the current 
obsession with DNA as a genealogy tool serves more the commercial profiting 
from a quite recent and important scientific discovery, than adding any 
certainty to our family tree.

Edward



From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Ward Walker
Sent: Monday, 22 January 2018 10:19 a.m.
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test



Agree, and you can create events or notes to document specific matches or 
triangulations that you might find (as you could with Y-DNA matches).



I think that the broad ethnic background tests are still a bit of a black art. 
Different companies produce different results. And how far back do you go? If a 
British ancestor has ancestors that originally came from Normandy in the 11th 
century, is that British or NW Europe? My Italian ancestry is partly shown as 
Iberian and Greek, even though those people came to Italy several hundred years 
ago.



   Ward



From: Jerry Case

Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 3:46 PM

To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test



Kevin -
This has been discussed before and, as I remember, the answer is that the 
autosomal results are too massive to include in Legacy. Plus, they would be 
difficult to interpret in Legacy. Putting the lengthy raw results into Legacy 
would swell the files unacceptably.
Jerry Case
On 1/21/2018 11:31 AM, Kevin Ferguson wrote:

Hello,



I have the results from a Myhertiage DNA test. I have one for myself and my 
wife. How do I go about adding this to my Legacy family tree? The DNA test was 
an autosumal test but I don't see that listed on the add DNA screen.



The results  are rather intriguing and I have no idea how far back the tests 
would go back to but as far as I can see the test results don't match the 
research I have (I am back to 1780). I find no North African, Nigerian nor 
Finnish connection in my direct line ancestors. I agree with the English 
portion though :). It is a little bit surprising not to find any Celtic markers 
given that my name is Ferguson, my paternal grandmother was MacDonald and I 
have documented proof of Scottish kin on my mother's side. It is all rather 
perplexing and I have no idea why it should be so puzzling. My father's 
ancestors didn't even leave the county of their births for 300 years!



Any assistance would be greatfullly received.



Best regards

Kevin Ferguson



www.abbydalesystems.com



Numbers 6:24-26





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Re: [LegacyUG] Bing Maps and Geo-Code

[CE WOOD]

Thank you, Sherry!


Considering your background and experience, let us hope that your voice will 
finally get Legacy moving to match the ability of other companies to fix the 
problem.


Over the years, there has been an insistence by them that they know what their 
users want, even when the users keep telling them otherwise.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Sherry H 
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 9:38 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Bing Maps and Geo-Code

Another company got the problem fixed right away, but supposedly with
Legacy there's some issue with the older programming language used or
the coding or something. I keep hearing about the major project it is
to fix it. Maps are used in numerous areas in Legacy.

I wonder why they can't use something like Google maps instead? I know
a ton of Legacy users use the mapping a lot and really miss it. I do!

Sherry

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:14 AM, Forest Smith  wrote:
> I am a long user of Legacy and use the Bing maps daily.
>
> One would not think it would take more than 3 months to fix the problem.
>
> This should be a top priority.
>
> Forest Smith
>
>
>
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Steve Wilson
> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 10:42 AM
> To: 'Legacy User Group' 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Bing Maps and Geo-Code
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I just recently purchased and downloaded the new version of Legacy.
>
> I use the Bing Maps and geo-code extensively.
>
> I am extremely disappointed to discover that this part of the program was
> not working at the time to updated program was made available.
>
> How long will I have to wait before this problem is fixed?
>
> Steve Wilson
>
> Gaithersburg, MD
>
>
>
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Sue Irons
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 12:00 AM
> To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Bing Maps and Geo-Code
>
>
>
> Thank you Cathy for your quick response!  It's greatly appreciated even it's
> not exactly what I was hoping for :-)
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> On 1/1/2018 9:52 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
>
> Maps are currently broken in all versions of Legacy and have been for some
> time.
> I understand it requires a lot of re-writing to fix and the programmers are
> working on it.
>
> Cathy
>
> Sue Irons wrote:
>
>
> Hello
>
> I've tried to use the Geo-Code button at the top of the Master
> Location List but I'm getting a message, "Bing Maps has not finished
> loading yet.  Geo-coding of all lcoations id not available until the
> map is loaded."  I've waiting several months for the Bing Maps to
> finish loading  Is there something else going on, or perhaps a
> setting needs to be adjusted?
>
> My connection to the internet is fine through Legacy, so that's not
> the problem.
>
> Using Legacy Deluxe on Windows 10.
>
> Thanks for any help.

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Re: [LegacyUG] RTF - Ancestor/Pedigree chart

[CE WOOD]

If you have Word 2013, 2016, or 365, it will open a PDF, and you can edit it 
and then save is either as a Word document, a PDF, or one of many other 
options. No extra cost to  do so.


CE


From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of 
Roberta Montpetit <robertamontpe...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 7:55 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] RTF - Ancestor/Pedigree chart

I was under the impression that one had to pay in order to be able to edit a 
PDF document because that was the message I used to get whenever I wanted to 
edit a PDF document.  Or has that changed recently?

On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 9:00 PM, Cathy Pinner 
<genea...@gmail.com<mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Arnold,

You want a Pedigree Chart - Blank or with just the first person.
See Reports - Pedigree Chart
You can save to PDF.
Many people can add information to a PDF these days at least via comments in 
their PDF reader.

Cathy

CE WOOD wrote:

PDF files are editable too, either with Adobe, another PDF editor, or
by opening them in Word 2013, 2016, or 365. They can then be saved in
a format of your choice.


CE



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*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] RTF - Ancestor/Pedigree chart
Hi

For full d etails on the ancestors use Reports | Ancestor Book, and
then enable the Rich Text File in the lower right and then Create to make
the file. But, the Ancestor Chart does not include an option for RTF,
which
is annoying.

However, since RTF files are editable, I would normally create a PDF
version when sending information.

Regards

Chris

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Sent: 23 December 2017 19:51
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Subject: [LegacyUG] RTF - Ancestor/Pedigree chart

I've looked and looked and do not see how to make an RTF file for
ancestors when I only have the individual himself. I want to send the file
so that parents, grandparents, etc. can be filled in.
I've looked at Reports, Ancestor Book, etc.
Thank you.


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Re: [LegacyUG] RTF - Ancestor/Pedigree chart

[CE WOOD]

PDF files are editable too, either with Adobe, another PDF editor, or by 
opening them in Word 2013, 2016, or 365. They can then be saved in a format of 
your choice.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Chris Hill 
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 12:01 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] RTF - Ancestor/Pedigree chart

Hi

For full details on the ancestors use Reports | Ancestor Book, and
then enable the Rich Text File in the lower right and then Create to make
the file. But, the Ancestor Chart does not include an option for RTF, which
is annoying.

However, since RTF files are editable, I would normally create a PDF
version when sending information.

Regards

Chris

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Behalf Of Arnold Sprague
Sent: 23 December 2017 19:51
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: [LegacyUG] RTF - Ancestor/Pedigree chart

I've looked and looked and do not see how to make an RTF file for
ancestors when I only have the individual himself. I want to send the file
so that parents, grandparents, etc. can be filled in.
I've looked at Reports, Ancestor Book, etc.
Thank you.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations List - Script error

[CE WOOD]

Seems that Legacy may have caused the problem...



Cheers, Carolyn



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Denise Moss-Fritch 
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 3:07 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations List - Script error


Cathy,



Have to admit that your comment about maps -- “Bing turning off the way they 
were being accessed” -- has me curious  From whom did you receive this 
information?



I am only asking as while I know of two genealogy software (Legacy is one) 
where maps stopped functioning three months ago, I do know of three other 
genealogy software that use Bing maps without problem and have had no 
interruptions during the same period.



Thanks,



Denise



From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 2:56 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Locations List - Script error



Maps are broken in all versions of Legacy currently due to Bing turning off the 
way they were being accessed.
They will be fixed in Legacy 9 in a future update.

Cathy

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Re: [LegacyUG] FindaGrave.com?

[CE WOOD]

Or you could just go the the FAG site and search there for O' names.



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of 
John Groome <johnjgro...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 2:00 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FindaGrave.com?

Although it took a little getting used to I find it relatively easy to use; 
however...

I have many Irish surnames that begin with O' which FAG does not recognise via 
the FAG search button in Legacy and consequently I have to edit the search to 
get any results.

This I find frustrating and hopefully a code change will be made to cater for 
this.

For other surnames the tool works extremely well.

On 9 November 2017 at 17:36, Marianne Nolan 
<m.no...@csuohio.edu<mailto:m.no...@csuohio.edu>> wrote:

I am still using Windows7 and Internet Explorer11.  For me most of the buttons 
do not work (like "refine search" from results, "save to", the tutorial, and 
worst of all, "more search options" from the opening screen, (which must be 
where the memorial # search is hidden). And unbelievably, the new results 
screen lacks the parents, spouse, children and siblings links!  There also is 
no message if the search fails, and no link to edit your search & try again.  
Is it only in IE that these problems exist?


Marianne



From: LegacyUserGroup 
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 on behalf of CE WOOD <wood...@msn.com<mailto:wood...@msn.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 4:11 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FindaGrave.com?


I can still copy and paste data into my sites.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup 
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 on behalf of Martha Graham <martha...@zoho.com<mailto:martha...@zoho.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:55 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FindaGrave.com?

Good Morning,
The new site for FAG is awful and the clipboard function does not work very well
With the old site, it was possible to copy/paste the data into Legacy burial 
notes with one step. Now it is jumbled and will need considerable tweaking to 
be usable.

Obviously both Anc and FAG are trying to attract users of small mobile devices 
to their sites. What they fail to understand is that any serious genealogist or 
historian is not going to be using a 4 inch screen to do research.
It is just too hard on the eyes, even if they are 'young eyes'.

I am sorry to see the more 'flowery' interface, it is just not necessary.

Martha
Los Osos, CA







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Re: [LegacyUG] FindaGrave.com?

[CE WOOD]

An added plus:  it is now able to search for an existing cemetery by location. 
No more slogging through hundreds of St Mary's Churchyard, then another hundred 
St. Mary's Churchyard, then more St Mary's Church. and also, St. Mary's Church, 
when you want the one in Bideford! That should help reduce the scads of 
duplicate cemeteries.


On the home page of the new site, be sure to click on More Search Options.


Click on Memorials, and the options are similar, but look different from, the 
old site.


The look and feel is much different, but improvements have been made in some 
areas, as the one above mentioned.


I have lost no pictures and have had no problems copying and pasting into my 
memorials.


Keep complaining about what you don't like; it has taken years of complaints by 
a small group of us to affect some changes. Realize that when they hire enough 
people to deal with all the problems the original design (recent, not medieval 
cemeteries) they will charge for it. More troublesome are the contributors who 
don't obey the rule about NOT posting memorials for people whose graves are 
lost forever. Those contributors are trying to make FAG a genealogy database 
instead of a cemetery database!



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Bob Austen 
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 12:11 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FindaGrave.com?


The new FAG site doesn’t provide all the information that the old site did – 
including some pictures. Very poor effort.

I agree with Lee, it is not about change it IS a poorly designed site.



Bob Austen



From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Lineagekeeper
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 11:49 AM
To: Leonard J. McCown; Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FindaGrave.com?



For now, the old FAG site interface is at this address:   
https://secure.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi

The new interface is found at this slightly different address:  
https://secure.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi#

Like any terribly designed site, the new face of FAG was obviously designed by 
programmers with little to no knowledge of genealogy and probably was never 
reviewed by user / testers from the 'real' userbase.

As always, the best way to get Ancestry's attention on this terrible flub is to 
flood them with complaints about the new design.

Lee Drew



On 11/8/2017 10:41 AM, Leonard J. McCown wrote:

Had anyone else noticed that now if you click on the FAG number in Legacy that 
it goes to their new page, and does not take you to the memorial? Their new 
page stinks and is not as easy to use as the old one. I hope that number will 
still work when they finally get settled. Leonard



­

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Leonard J. McCown, Irving, Texas -- McCown Family History

217 West 14th Street, Irving, Texas 75060-5903

972-254-7952

leon...@mccown.org -- 
http://www.mccown.org

People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to

their ancestors. -- Edmund Burke, 1790

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Re: [LegacyUG] FindaGrave.com?

[CE WOOD]

I can still copy and paste data into my sites.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Martha Graham 
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:55 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FindaGrave.com?

Good Morning,
The new site for FAG is awful and the clipboard function does not work very well
With the old site, it was possible to copy/paste the data into Legacy burial 
notes with one step. Now it is jumbled and will need considerable tweaking to 
be usable.

Obviously both Anc and FAG are trying to attract users of small mobile devices 
to their sites. What they fail to understand is that any serious genealogist or 
historian is not going to be using a 4 inch screen to do research.
It is just too hard on the eyes, even if they are 'young eyes'.

I am sorry to see the more 'flowery' interface, it is just not necessary.

Martha
Los Osos, CA






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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Notes and now... /par

[CE WOOD]

Did either of you read Cathy Pinner's reply of Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:46:24 -0700? 
It told you how to accomplish what you have both been asking:


"Hi Martha,



Then you need this at the end of your sentence definitions. This starts the 
Event Notes on a new line and doesn't leave a blank line if there are no notes.

[:if [Notes]::[CR][Notes]]



The superscript is for the Sources. You can have Sources either before or after 
the Notes - see Options - Customise 7.10

Cathy"





CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Chris Hill 
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 9:45 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Notes and now... /par


Hi Linda



That is what I have been doing, but I find it awkward and 
remembering to do it.



It would be good if we could manage that as a flag on the Edit Event display, 
with an option to make it the standard for the Event Type or for the whole 
system.



Regards



Chris



From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Linda Greethurst
Sent: 31 October 2017 13:55
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Notes and now... /par



Martha -

I think I have this one figured out.

Before I start entering my notes for an event, I press "Enter" and then start 
my notes.  This basically leaves the first line empty in the note field and the 
notes will print out all nicely grouped on the lines following the description, 
instead of just continuing on the same line.   Just like you want them, I think.

Linda Greethurst



On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:05 PM, Martha Graham 
> wrote:

Hi Cathy,

I know that, but what I want to do is not there.

I am consistent with data entry.

Here is what I get when all fields are filled. this applies to Census work:

When I put in Draft Registrations, it is even worse.



He appeared on the 1900 Federal census on 4 Jun 1900 in Chicago, Cook, 
Illinois.¹ Stubbe, Frederick Age 26, B: Jul 1873, Illinois - Married 4 yrs, 
Parents=Germany, ? Furniture

Stubbe, Bertha Age 25 B: Sep 1874, Illinois - Married 4 yrs, Children 4-2, 
Parents=Germany

Stubbe, Frederick Age 2, B: Aug 1897, Illinois

Stubbe, Earl Age 1, B: Apr 1898, Illinois



Image source: Year: 1900; Census Place: Chicago Ward 14, Cook, Illinois; Roll: 
T623 263; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 451.



Everything is fine except that I want the data to be like this:

Stubbe, Frederick Age 26, B: Jul 1873, Illinois - Married 4 yrs, 
Parents=Germany, ? Furniture

Stubbe, Bertha Age 25 B: Sep 1874, Illinois - Married 4 yrs, Children 4-2, 
Parents=Germany

Stubbe, Frederick Age 2, B: Aug 1897, Illinois

Stubbe, Earl Age 1, B: Apr 1898, Illinois



I do not want the superscript 1 and the name, etc at the end of the sentence. 
It confuses the record.



Martha





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Re: [LegacyUG] Volunteer?

[CE WOOD]

Always double check any latitudes and longitudes that you find on FAG. Go to 
the cemetery cited and look at the map; is the arrow on the cemetery or church, 
or it merely somewhere in the vicinity?


Too many people on FAG enter coordinates without actually looking at a map. If 
you want accurate coordinates, you must look at the map, usually having to 
re-position the arrow that Google or Bing maps cites. I have already sent FAG 
Cemetery Correction Forum many hundreds of corrected coordinates, and I've just 
started.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Debbie Jorgenson 
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 9:38 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Volunteer?

Thank you. It was quickly put together the same day I downloaded my GedSite 
software. I was entering the longitude and latitude for cemeteries from 
FindAGrave's site, but have found some problems with this, so I need to rethink 
this process. Yes, you can choose the elements you wish to incorporate.

On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 11:04 AM Mary Leek 
> wrote:
Debbie,

Thank you so much for sharing your site with us. You’ve done a wonderful job. 
It is so interesting to see some of the elements you’ve used that I didn’t see 
on other example sites. The calendar on the home page is one I hadn’t seen used 
before. I like the way the Google maps is linked and displayed. Is this 
something you elect to include when choosing the elements you want to 
incorporate? Do you have to have the Lat/Longitude entered somewhere in Legacy 
for the map to display?

I so enjoy investigating new software and this one looks so interesting.

My thanks again for sharing with us. Legacy users are the best and are always 
ready to offer helpful suggestions and tips. … I am so grateful to be a part of 
this community.

Mary



From: LegacyUserGroup 
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 On Behalf Of Debbie Jorgenson
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:24 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Volunteer?

Mary,

I have a site up and running using my Legacy database and GedSite: 
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~debjrgnsn/up/index.htm.

On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 10:05 AM John Cardinal 
> wrote:
Update

There are more than enough people interested, so I won't be accepting any
more.

Thanks to everyone who has volunteered. I'll be getting back to all of you
within a few hours.

John Cardinal


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Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage auto renewal warning

[CE WOOD]

That will cancel the subscription itself, not the just automatic renewal of the 
subscription!



CE


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Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 6:01 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage auto renewal warning

http://helpcenter.myheritage.com/mailto-contactForm/31364998/How-do-I-cancel-the-automatic-subscription-renewal.htm
How do I cancel the automatic subscription 
renewal?
helpcenter.myheritage.com
If you are enrolled in an automatic subscription renewal and you would like to 
cancel it, please follow these steps: 1. Log in to your online family site




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Re: [LegacyUG] Problem With Marriage Sequence Dates

[CE WOOD]

>From other posts on this topic, it seems that she would have preferred Legacy 
>9's bug that put spouses in the reverse order.


A REAL improvement would be the ability to have events ordered by name first, 
and then chronoligically. That is definitely possible in Access, on which 
Legacy is still based, but they have not bothered to implement that easy fix.



CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Cathy Pinner 
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 5:58 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Problem With Marriage Sequence Dates

Roberta,
You would have to do that yourself individually for each person with multiple 
marriages.
At the same time you'd have to edit the Marriage Wording for every marriage so 
that they made sense.
Currently the default wording for the first marriage is "married" and for the 
following marriages is "next married".

You can set your own defaults in Options - Customise 8.7 but they only apply to 
new marriages I think. I know the test group has discussed the need for Apply 
buttons as well as reset button on the Marriage Information screen.

But think carefully before doing this. I think it would be very confusing. 
Almost everything else is Chronological from earliest date to latest date 
unless your Events are ordered by Name.

Cathy

Roberta Montpetit wrote:

Cathy, can we put the spouses in reverse order.  ; By that I mean the
most recent spouse first, followed by the previous spouse(e)s so that,
when we print out a report, we automatically have the current spouse
appear first followed by previous one(s).


On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:17 AM, Cathy Pinner > wrote:

Look at the Spouse list and re-order the spouses.
However, it's likely others are out of order so to do them all at
once go to Tools - Other Tools - Sort

Cathy

Thomas Cox wrote:


Hi all,

I have a "strange" problem.  I have a person in my family history
that
in his lifetime married three times.  The correct date sequence of
these marriages have b een recorded correctly in the Family View
Window
of the "legacy" software, however whenever I print out reports
(example; family group sheets and/or other narrative reports)
starting
with this individual the marriage sequence dates of spouse Nr. 1 and
spouse Nr. 2 are reversed thus it looks like he married spouse Nr. 2
before marrying spouse Nr. 1.  I "pulled in" this family file from
another genealogy program via a "gedcom" file .  I even checked
the old
software program and the marriage sequence was correct and reports
printed out from that program were reported correctly.  I hope
this is
not a major problem because as one would expect there are
   p; descendants
recorded from each marriage which could create serious problem
for me.
Please help!

Tom Cox
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Re: [LegacyUG] Procedure for installing and using OneDrive to backup my Legacy media files?

[CE WOOD]

I think he wants to be able to access his media files from OneDrive. If so, 
they would need to be uploaded to OneDrive. They would still remain on his 
computer, but would be synced to the ones on OneDrive. He could then access any 
of his media files from either his computer or from OneDrive.


As I recall, the major complication is that you cannot copy a folder with its 
subfolders to OneDrive.


It is complicated, so I will let someone more knowledgeable detail the 
procedure.



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Roxanne Cummings-Basey 
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 12:21 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Procedure for installing and using OneDrive to backup 
my Legacy media files?

I don't understand the question. Do you want to backup up a restore file that 
includes the media files inside the legacy file so that when you restore it the 
media files are included? If so that is what I would like to know.
But - - - - would this be creating the same type of backup as you get when you 
back up to the Legacy cloud WITHOUT the media files? Or would you be backing up 
a gedcom file to onedrive.
So let me rephrase:
Can you and if so how do you:
1. Backup your legacy files so that all the media files are included.
2. How would you restore that backup from onedrive instead of from the legacy 
cloud and is this possible?
Roxanne

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 8:10 AM, J.M. "Jay" Ingalls 
> wrote:

Can someone find a detailed, step by step, procedure for installing and using 
OneDrive to backup my Legacy media files? That means leaving the media files 
where they are, not putting them in OneDrive. No extra words, just "Step 1, 
Step 2", etc.

Jay Ingalls

On 9/29/2017 4:14 PM, Ian Thomas wrote:
Millennia (Legacy) would have omitted backup of media files because they are 
large, and some users may have hundreds of Mb up to GB of storage requirements 
for their media files.

But everyone has Windows – any version has the free gift from Microsoft of 
OneDrive – which is a more than adequate amount of cloud storage.

While it does require a step-by-step ‘recipe’ for users to set the Legacy FT 
backup location to other than the defaults, over the past year I have seen 
instructions here on how to change to the location of choice for any 
individual. That has included Dropbox (another ‘cloud’ location).

Regards, Ian


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Re: [LegacyUG] Is this group still active?

[CE WOOD]

Very much so! Most of the recent activity involved the email that Geoff from 
Legacy sent regarding the MyHeritage (new owner of Legacy) offer for a very 
reduced rate for current LegacyFamilyTree users who sign up before September 
18th.

Go the the archives to see all the posts:  
http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Jean Taylor via LegacyUserGroup 
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 11:56 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Cc: Jean Taylor
Subject: [LegacyUG] Is this group still active?

The original message to the list is in the attachment.

This action is required because of the DMARC Reject/Quarantine Policy
imposed by some email providers. Users who want to send messages
without conversion to attachments should use a different email address
for their subscription.

Known providers for free email accounts whose emails do not require
this conversion include gmail.com and hotmail.com.  Many other email
providers will also work but you will have to give them a try.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Hello from MyHeritage + 2 unique offers

[CE WOOD]

Here is the latest from Geoff. The email with the offer was sent from Legacy 
News >. It 
just now arrived in my Inbox.

Geoff recommends emailing, but I found it much easier to call and explain. I 
also got a refund for the unused months of my Data and Site subscriptions.



Again, the MyHeritage world-wide toll-free phone list is at: 
https://www.myheritage.com/FP/contact-us.php



CE

Two Unique Offers for Legacy Users - Last Chance





Dear Legacy user,

Thousands of our users have already taken the 2 special offers by MyHeritage, 
given exclusively to Legacy users and webinar viewers. Due to high demand, we 
have extended the deadline of these offers, which are now valid through Monday 
night, September 18. This is your last chance to enjoy the offers.

Offer 1: Get a MyHeritage Complete Plan at 50% off

50% off of the MyHeritage Complete Plan. PLUS: A Price-Lock Guarantee. The 
discounted price of $125/year will remain the same and will never increase in 
the future (as long as you keep your subscription active)! Since you are 
already a MyHeritage subscriber, to add an extra year of this plan at 50% off 
and secure the valuable Price Lock Guarantee, please follow these steps:

- Send an email to 
legacy...@myheritage.com
- include the email address you use to login to MyHeritage
- include your phone number

and a MyHeritage team member will give you a quick call to arrange the 
transaction with the Price Lock Guarantee. They'll also give you a deduction of 
the unused amount of your current subscription. Because there are different 
memberships that you might have (Premium, PremiumPlus, Data, Complete) we 
aren't able to send one blanket email to everyone AND ensure that everyone's 
special pricing would be correct.

See - I told you that you would love this!

Just be sure that you do send the email before Monday night, September 18 to 
secure the discounted offer. This is a unique offer that MyHeritage is giving 
only to Legacy users and webinar viewers.

This Complete Plan offer includes everything MyHeritage has to offer: 
PremiumPlus family site with unlimited tree size, powerful matching to other 
family trees and historical records, and full search access to their collection 
of more than 8.1 billion historical records. This also provides full access to 
all the Record Matches and Smart Matches that appear in your Legacy 9 software. 
All this for just $125 – that’s 50% off the public price.

Offer 2: MyHeritage DNA Kit - Only $59 $99

- Click 
HERE
 to purchase your DNA kit(s)

- IMPORTANT: At Checkout, under “Total,” click “Got a coupon code?” and enter 
the coupon code LEGACYDNA. This is the only way to enjoy the special discount.

Both offers are given at the lowest price ever offered by MyHeritage, 
exclusively to our Legacy users and webinar viewers. Hurry, these offers expire 
on Monday night, September 18.








From: LegacyUserGroup 
>
 on behalf of Dave Keeney >
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:52 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hello from MyHeritage + 2 unique offers



Just an FYI to current subscribers trying to get the deal. I was also able to 
do it but it wasn't as easy as indicated.



When I called they told me that it was only for new subscribers. I explained 
some of the messages on this board but he said there were only 10 reps and no 
one was giving the deal to existing users. That might be why some people are 
saying they can't get the deal.



He then said he'd check with his manager. After a long wait he came back saying 
he was able to do it. He apologized profusely and was able to get it 
accomplished.



So just be warned that all of the reps may not know yet. So if at first you 
don't succeed try, try, again.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Hello from MyHeritage + 2 unique offers

[CE WOOD]

I also have had MyHeritage Site and Data memberships for many years. Today I 
converted my two separate memberships into the new all-in-one Complete Package. 
The cost for me, in WA state was $125.29.It will renew yearly (if on auto 
renewal) on September 13 for the price-lock of $125.29.


Hurry! The offer is running out!


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
bobsgenealogy 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:28 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hello from MyHeritage + 2 unique offers

I did the same thing - I have been a MyHeritage customer for a few years - I 
just called and they gave me the same offer with no new email or new name - as 
Vivian said ‘it was easy and they were as nice as pie’.

On 11Sep, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Vivian Gullickson White 
> wrote:

I don't know why people ASSUME that they can't get the deal because they 
already have a subscription. I called and asked and got it. I didn't have to 
sign up with a new name, or cancel, or anything. It was easy and they were nice 
as pie.

Secondly, the price lock mention was in the email. It states

"PLUS: Those who subscribe before Sunday night, September 10, will enjoy a 
Price-Lock Guarantee. For as long as you keep the subscription, the price will 
remain 50% discounted and will never increase in the future. This is a unique 
offer that MyHeritage is giving only to Legacy users and webinar viewers."

When you click on the link, it brings you to MyHeritage and the last sentence 
on the second paragragh says very clearly that the price is locked. 
https://www.myheritage.com/partner/LegacyFamilyTreeCompleteSep17?utm_source=partner_legacy_medium=email_campaign=legacy_summer_offer_content=complete


On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 3:22 PM, JoAnne Flynn 
> wrote:
Sign up using a different email and credit card how would they know

Josie Flynn
703 628-2100
jflyn...@aol.com

On Sep 4, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Anne Hildrum 
> wrote:

Well one way is to cancel the subscription, and most likely they will come up 
with a better deal.
I know several people who have done that, and MH wants them back and give them 
a better offer.

Anne

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Wendy Edwards
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:15 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hello from MyHeritage + 2 unique offers

Easy - basic economics.

The reason that My Heritage is making this special offer is to grow their 
market. They already have subscribers, who, at least the vast majority, don't 
need cossetting to remain. Exisiting customers are unlikely to put themselves 
through the difficulty and time of creating new accounts.

The way for My Heritage to make more money is with new customers, not giving 
money away via special deals to existing ones.
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 at 4:16 AM
From: "Rick Koelz" >
To: "Legacy User Group" 
>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hello from MyHeritage + 2 unique offers
Don't miss your chance to get this exclusive low price for Legacy Family Tree 
users! This limited time offer will expire on September 10, 2017!
* Eligible for new MyHeritage paying subscribers only

It always ticks me off when EXISTING, LOYAL customers are exempt from special 
deals.
Should I cancel my current subscription and wait until the 9th and sign up for 
this deal? Or should I delete my current MyHeritage account and tree and sign 
up with a new identification
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Re: [LegacyUG] Unsubscribe, please!!

[CE WOOD]

Whatever. My Microsoft Outlook has the link, but here it is so you can 
unsubscribe:

To manage your subscription and unsubscribe 
http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Marianne Nolan 
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 8:59 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unsubscribe, please!!


Just because the words are there on your copy, does not mean MY email program 
(MicroSoft Outlook) shows it!  It does not.  Why--I have no idea.


Marianne


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Jennie Matheson 
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 10:25:45 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unsubscribe, please!!

Linda,

I know what it is I was responding to Marianne who said that there is no 
unsubscribe information at the bottom of any of her emails.

Jennie

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Linda Hodges 
> wrote:
It is the link that will allow you to unsubscribe..  just put in your email 
address after you click the link.

On Sep 9, 2017 10:08 PM, "Jennie Matheson" 
> wrote:
With all due respect what is this???

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It appears at the bottom of every email!

Jennie

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Marianne Nolan 
> wrote:

With all due respect, there is no "unsubscribe" showing at the bottom of the 
page of any of MY emails.  How about a fact check?


Marianne


From: LegacyUserGroup 
>
 on behalf of Michael Slater >
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 6:34:49 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unsubscribe, please!!

The link to unsubscribe is at the bottom of the page

On 9 September 2017 at 14:14, Joyce Herzog 
> wrote:
Beth, do you not read the emails from this list! You are the only one that can 
unsubscribe yourself. The link is at the both of every email that goes out on 
the list!

Joyce

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Beth Marjamaa 
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Re: [LegacyUG] LegacyUG] Future of Legacy Private Website Creator

[CE WOOD]

Wonderful! Thank you!!


CE


From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of 
John Cardinal <jfcardi...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 1:53 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] LegacyUG] Future of Legacy Private Website Creator


CE,



GedSite can be used to make private sites, and many users do so. Also, GedSite 
can be used to create sites that are not published on the web at all, but 
rather copied to a DVD or thumb drive and given to interested parties.



John



From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of CE WOOD
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 4:16 PM
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] LegacyUG] Future of Legacy Private Website Creator



Thank you, I did. An important advantage for TNG is that you can make it 
completely private so no one can access your site unless you grant them access. 
You can also do that on MyHeritage.





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Re: [LegacyUG] LegacyUG] Future of Legacy Private Website Creator

[CE WOOD]

Thank you, I did. An important advantage for TNG is that you can make it 
completely private so no one can access your site unless you grant them access. 
You can also do that on MyHeritage.



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of 
Mike James <mikejames...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 5:34 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] LegacyUG] Future of Legacy Private Website Creator

Have you looked at Gedsite?
http://www.gedsite.com

Regards

Mike James

On 7 September 2017 at 00:01, CE WOOD <wood...@msn.com<mailto:wood...@msn.com>> 
wrote:

Agreed. It is an excellent program, but requires excellent computer skills to 
have it do and show what you want. Darrin was extremely helpful, but that 
wasn't enough.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup 
<legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com<mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
 on behalf of Donna Rodriguez <donna...@tx.rr.com<mailto:donna...@tx.rr.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 8:22 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] LegacyUG] Future of Legacy Private Website Creator

I have attempted TNG with complete installations about three times during the 
last several years. The host I used and the software author gave great support, 
but my skills fall short. It is a beautiful system, just not one that I can 
master.

Regards,

Donna






Cathy Pinner <genea...@gmail.com<mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
No Mary,
I have no information on that but I doubt things will be removed from Legacy 
that already there
Did you read Donna's post?
I was responding particularly to this bit.

Is Legacy the only genealogy software that allows you to
create your website independently and then upload it to a
regular non-genealogy related host?

by pointing out that lots of people already use TNG in preference to the Legacy 
website creation.

Cathy


Mary Young wrote:

Cathy, are you implying that we may have to rely on other means than
Legacy to create our websites?
Mary Yoing

On 6 Sep 2017 4:39 a.m., "Cathy Pinner" <geneakit@gmail.c om
<mailto:genea...@gmail.com<mailto:genea...@gmail.com>>> wrote:

Donna

There are other ways to create webpages using gedcoms.

Many Legacy users already use TNG in preference to Legacy webpage
generation.
The ability to create gedcoms that transfer data very well to TNG
is rigorously tested.
www.tngsitebuilding.com<http://www.tngsitebuilding.com> 
<http://www.tngsitebuilding.com>

There are other similar systems but I don't know of people testing
how the data transfers to them.

Cathy

DonnaMR <mailto:donna...@tx.rr.com<mailto:donna...@tx.rr.com> 
<mailto:donna...@tx.rr.com<mailto:donna...@tx.rr.com>>>
Wednesday, 6 September 2017 8:12 AM

As I understand it, Lega cy software will continue to be a
standalone desktop software.

I have been with Legacy practically since its inception.
Besides using Legacy for recording research and writing
reports, I use Legacy to create my own website, which I then
upload to GoDaddy, a regular non-genealogy related web host.
This gives me complete flexibility in the creation and
ownership of my website.

Since MyHeritage pushes family trees on its own site, will
Legacy continue to give us the capability of creating a
genealogy websi te of our own with the Legacy software?

Is Legacy the only genealogy software that allows you to
create your website independently and then upload it to a
regular non-genealogy related host?

Any thoughts on this?

Regards,

Donna



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Re: [LegacyUG] Comparing commercial websites

[CE WOOD]

Obviously, you have never been held for ransom, or you would never go to a site 
about which you have been warned. Many times, the site is trustworthy, but a 
hacker has stolen the link to the trusted website! McAfee picks those up too. 
It is one of the most common sources of being infected.


Anyway, I am s glad you have the patience and TIME to sit through an hour 
long video.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of 
Susie Zada <sz...@zades.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 7:08 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Comparing commercial websites


McAfee is well known for ‘exaggerating’ – nothing wrong with the link / site 
for the handout.



It’s well worth getting over your aversion for videos to watch this one – I 
hate videos as well but this was worth it.  Watch it on your desktop if you can 
to appreciate it fully – otherwise why not watch it at your local library – a 
much UNDER utilised resource.



Regards … Susie Z



From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of CE WOOD
Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2017 12:02 PM
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Comparing commercial websites



I do so hate videos and MUCH prefer the written word, but unfortunately, the 
site for the handout is a "dangerous site" according to McAfee!





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Re: [LegacyUG] Comparing commercial websites

[CE WOOD]

I do so hate videos and MUCH prefer the written word, but unfortunately, the 
site for the handout is a "dangerous site" according to McAfee!



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Gordon Findlay 

Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:05 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: [LegacyUG] Comparing commercial websites

While considering whether My Heitage is "worth it" and wondering about other 
sites, you might find this presentation from Sunny Morton useful:

https://www.rootstech.org/videos/sunny-morton
Sunny Morton - RootsTech
www.rootstech.org
Sunny Morton Big 4: Comparing Ancestry, findmypast, FamilySearch and 
MyHeritage. Subscribe to the RootsTech Newsletter Submit. Thank You for Your 
Submission


If you like watching hour-long videos as much as I do, you might just look to 
the handout, which I found in many places, such as

 
http://victoriafhc.org/~geneologyvictori/pdf/2017Big4-Comparing_Ancestry,FamilySearch,Findmypast
“The Big 4:” Comparing Ancestry, FamilySearch, Findmypast 
...
victoriafhc.org
“The ig 4:” omparing Ancestry, FamilySear ch, Findmypast and MyHeritage” by 
Sunny Morton 3 The tree-building system is ...


Slàinte
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Re: [LegacyUG] LegacyUG] Future of Legacy Private Website Creator

[CE WOOD]

Agreed. It is an excellent program, but requires excellent computer skills to 
have it do and show what you want. Darrin was extremely helpful, but that 
wasn't enough.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Donna Rodriguez 
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 8:22 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] LegacyUG] Future of Legacy Private Website Creator

I have attempted TNG with complete installations about three times during the 
last several years. The host I used and the software author gave great support, 
but my skills fall short. It is a beautiful system, just not one that I can 
master.

Regards,

Donna






Cathy Pinner  wrote:
No Mary,
I have no information on that but I doubt things will be removed from Legacy 
that already there
Did you read Donna's post?
I was responding particularly to this bit.

Is Legacy the only genealogy software that allows you to
create your website independently and then upload it to a
regular non-genealogy related host?

by pointing out that lots of people already use TNG in preference to the Legacy 
website creation.

Cathy


Mary Young wrote:

Cathy, are you implying that we may have to rely on other means than
Legacy to create our websites?
Mary Yoing

On 6 Sep 2017 4:39 a.m., "Cathy Pinner" > wrote:

Donna

There are other ways to create webpages using gedcoms.

Many Legacy users already use TNG in preference to Legacy webpage
generation.
The ability to create gedcoms that transfer data very well to TNG
is rigorously tested.
www.tngsitebuilding.com 

There are other similar systems but I don't know of people testing
how the data transfers to them.

Cathy

DonnaMR >
Wednesday, 6 September 2017 8:12 AM

As I understand it, Lega cy software will continue to be a
standalone desktop software.

I have been with Legacy practically since its inception.
Besides using Legacy for recording research and writing
reports, I use Legacy to create my own website, which I then
upload to GoDaddy, a regular non-genealogy related web host.
This gives me complete flexibility in the creation and
ownership of my website.

Since MyHeritage pushes family trees on its own site, will
Legacy continue to give us the capability of creating a
genealogy websi te of our own with the Legacy software?

Is Legacy the only genealogy software that allows you to
create your website independently and then upload it to a
regular non-genealogy related host?

Any thoughts on this?

Regards,

Donna



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Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

[CE WOOD]

This all started with a posted message supposedly from "Geoff Rasmussen and the 
Legacy team". Geoff and his team need to clarify this issue!



CE


From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of 
Hot.Rod.Wife <hot.rod.w...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:44 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

How come everyone's coming up with different prices? I could afford the $54.29 
but I keep seeing $125

Sherry



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab® S


 Original message 
From: CE WOOD <wood...@msn.com>
Date: 9/3/17 8:39 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question


Below is what the site says. There is no mention of a Price Lock:
Welcome, Legacy Family Tree users!

MyHeritage is offering a special discount on its annual Complete membership 
price exclusively to Legacy Family Tree users. MyHeritage is one of the fastest 
growing genealogy s125


Sherryites and the best place to build your family tree, with historical 
collections including billions of records. This special offer will give you 
EVERYTHING on MyHeritage for the lowest price.

Ing $
[https://s3.amazonaws.com/storage.myheritagefiles.com/C/storage/partner_logos/partner_3731_logo.jpg]
1 YEAR
Just $54.29
Regular Price $250.74 per year.

Don't miss your chance to get this exclusive low price for Legacy Family Tree 
users! This limited time offer will expire on September 18 2017!
* Eligible for new MyHeritage paying subscribers only
Get Instant Access to:

  *   Private family site with unlimited capacity
  *   Family Tree Builder software premium edition
  *   Start a new tree or import GEDCOM
  *   Unlimited photo storage
  *   Apps for iPhone, iPad & Android
  *   Smart Matches™ with 40 million trees
  *   Full privacy control
  *   VIP customer support
  *   Join 91 million users who have built trees with 3 billion people
  *   New: 450,000 historical books

  *   Search 8.1 billion historical records
  *   Automatic Record Matches
  *   Birth, marriage and death records
  *   Vital records from 48 countries
  *   Military and immigration records
  *   1790-1940 USA Census
  *   1841-1911 England & Wales census
  *   More added every month!

Get Started Now!

By submitting this information, you acknowledge that MyHeritage may contact 
you. Special pricing for Legacy Family Tree users will expire on September 18 
2017.

By clicking "Begin Membership" above, you agree to the Terms and 
conditions<https://www.myheritage.com/FP/Company/popup.php?p=terms_conditions>. 
Secure e-Commerce services are provided by BlueSnap<http://www.bluesnap.com/>, 
an online reseller for MyHeritage Ltd. BlueSnap Terms of 
Use<http://www.bluesnap.com/ecommerce/legal/privacy-policy>

  *
  *
[https://d.mhcache.com/FP/Assets/Images/Testimonials/Wyatt.jpg] N. Wyatt USA
“ I have to tell you how excited I am about the site, my links that I have 
found, and the history I am recovering. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ”
  *
  *
[https://d.mhcache.com/FP/Assets/Images/Testimonials/Denton.jpg] C. Denton New 
Zealand
“ You guys are amazing. Your response is so quick. I don't know how you do 
that. I love you all. You've been such a blessing to me and my family. Touched. 
”



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of 
Leon Chapman <chap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 6:26 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

CE

The 1st sentence is:

MyHeritage is offering a special discount on its annual Complete membership 
price exclusively to Legacy Family Tree users.

It is $103 for a year

Sent from my iPhone
Leon Chapman
chap...@gmail.com<mailto:chap...@gmail.com>
623-271-1206

On Sep 3, 2017, at 6:06 PM, CE WOOD <wood...@msn.com<mailto:wood...@msn.com>> 
wrote:


Hi Chap,

That site makes no mention of a "Complete" price.

That site makes no mention of a Price Lock.

We need "Geoff Rasmussen and the Legacy team" to respond to this thread! It 
was, supposedly, their email that started this whole problem. Where are they? A 
clarification from them could resolve this issue!

CE



From: LegacyUserGroup 
<legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com<mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
 on behalf of Leon Chapman <chap...@gmail.com<mailto:chap...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 5:27 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

CE:

The Complete price is on the following website:

https://www.myheritage.com/partner/LegacyFamilyTreeCompleteSep17?utm_source=partner_legacy_medium=email_campaign=legacy_summer_offer_conte

Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

[CE WOOD]

Below is what the site says. There is no mention of a Price Lock:
Welcome, Legacy Family Tree users!

MyHeritage is offering a special discount on its annual Complete membership 
price exclusively to Legacy Family Tree users. MyHeritage is one of the fastest 
growing genealogy sites and the best place to build your family tree, with 
historical collections including billions of records. This special offer will 
give you EVERYTHING on MyHeritage for the lowest price.

[https://s3.amazonaws.com/storage.myheritagefiles.com/C/storage/partner_logos/partner_3731_logo.jpg]
1 YEAR
Just $54.29
Regular Price $250.74 per year.

Don't miss your chance to get this exclusive low price for Legacy Family Tree 
users! This limited time offer will expire on September 18 2017!
* Eligible for new MyHeritage paying subscribers only
Get Instant Access to:

  *   Private family site with unlimited capacity
  *   Family Tree Builder software premium edition
  *   Start a new tree or import GEDCOM
  *   Unlimited photo storage
  *   Apps for iPhone, iPad & Android
  *   Smart Matches™ with 40 million trees
  *   Full privacy control
  *   VIP customer support
  *   Join 91 million users who have built trees with 3 billion people
  *   New: 450,000 historical books

  *   Search 8.1 billion historical records
  *   Automatic Record Matches
  *   Birth, marriage and death records
  *   Vital records from 48 countries
  *   Military and immigration records
  *   1790-1940 USA Census
  *   1841-1911 England & Wales census
  *   More added every month!

Get Started Now!

By submitting this information, you acknowledge that MyHeritage may contact 
you. Special pricing for Legacy Family Tree users will expire on September 18 
2017.

By clicking "Begin Membership" above, you agree to the Terms and 
conditions<https://www.myheritage.com/FP/Company/popup.php?p=terms_conditions>. 
Secure e-Commerce services are provided by BlueSnap<http://www.bluesnap.com/>, 
an online reseller for MyHeritage Ltd. BlueSnap Terms of 
Use<http://www.bluesnap.com/ecommerce/legal/privacy-policy>

  *
  *
[https://d.mhcache.com/FP/Assets/Images/Testimonials/Wyatt.jpg] N. Wyatt USA
“ I have to tell you how excited I am about the site, my links that I have 
found, and the history I am recovering. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ”
  *
  *
[https://d.mhcache.com/FP/Assets/Images/Testimonials/Denton.jpg] C. Denton New 
Zealand
“ You guys are amazing. Your response is so quick. I don't know how you do 
that. I love you all. You've been such a blessing to me and my family. Touched. 
”



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of 
Leon Chapman <chap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 6:26 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

CE

The 1st sentence is:

MyHeritage is offering a special discount on its annual Complete membership 
price exclusively to Legacy Family Tree users.

It is $103 for a year

Sent from my iPhone
Leon Chapman
chap...@gmail.com<mailto:chap...@gmail.com>
623-271-1206

On Sep 3, 2017, at 6:06 PM, CE WOOD <wood...@msn.com<mailto:wood...@msn.com>> 
wrote:


Hi Chap,


That site makes no mention of a "Complete" price.


That site makes no mention of a Price Lock.


We need "Geoff Rasmussen and the Legacy team" to respond to this thread! It 
was, supposedly, their email that started this whole problem. Where are they? A 
clarification from them could resolve this issue!



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup 
<legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com<mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
 on behalf of Leon Chapman <chap...@gmail.com<mailto:chap...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 5:27 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

CE:

The Complete price is on the following website:

https://www.myheritage.com/partner/LegacyFamilyTreeCompleteSep17?utm_source=partner_legacy_medium=email_campaign=legacy_summer_offer_content=complete

Enjoy!

Sent from my iPhone
Leon Chapman
chap...@gmail.com<mailto:chap...@gmail.com>
623-271-1206

On Sep 3, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Susie Zada 
<sz...@zades.com.au<mailto:sz...@zades.com.au>> wrote:

But if you have the free My Heritage database on your desktop and keep that 
synced then it really doesn’t matter if your data is deleted online because you 
always have it in your possession.  And if you are uploading your DNA results 
from elsewhere presumably you have them located ‘elsewhere’ as well as having 
them on your desktop.

Regards … Susie Z

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Hogrooter .
Sent: Monday, 4 September 2017 9:18 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
<legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>
Subject

Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

[CE WOOD]

Hi Chap,


That site makes no mention of a "Complete" price.


That site makes no mention of a Price Lock.


We need "Geoff Rasmussen and the Legacy team" to respond to this thread! It 
was, supposedly, their email that started this whole problem. Where are they? A 
clarification from them could resolve this issue!



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Leon Chapman 
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 5:27 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

CE:

The Complete price is on the following website:

https://www.myheritage.com/partner/LegacyFamilyTreeCompleteSep17?utm_source=partner_legacy_medium=email_campaign=legacy_summer_offer_content=complete

Enjoy!

Sent from my iPhone
Leon Chapman
chap...@gmail.com
623-271-1206

On Sep 3, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Susie Zada 
> wrote:

But if you have the free My Heritage database on your desktop and keep that 
synced then it really doesn’t matter if your data is deleted online because you 
always have it in your possession.  And if you are uploading your DNA results 
from elsewhere presumably you have them located ‘elsewhere’ as well as having 
them on your desktop.

Regards … Susie Z

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Hogrooter .
Sent: Monday, 4 September 2017 9:18 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

One caution:  I read recently that all your data stored at MyHeritage is 
deleted if you cancel your subscription.  I suggest you confirm or deny this 
before you cancel an existing subscription to take advantage of the new offer.
Dean Adams

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Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

[CE WOOD]

Hi Chap,


>From where did you find the Complete price. The link that I found in various 
>posts here makes no mention of that at all. Please let me know on which 
>website you found that information.



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of 
Leon Chapman <chap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 3:21 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

CE

Reading your information clouds the issue more. Your info Quotes 3 different 
subscriptions:
1. Premium
2. Premium Plus
3. Data subscription

On my account, I see a Site and a Data subscription which might lead me to 4 
different subscriptions

The Legacy offer for $103/yr says that it is a Complete membership price.  So, 
does Complete mean all four membership at noted above?


Sent from my iPhone
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On Sep 3, 2017, at 2:19 PM, Joyce Herzog 
<joyce.her...@gmail.com<mailto:joyce.her...@gmail.com>> wrote:

PLUS: Those who subscribe before Sunday night, September 10, will enjoy a 
Price-Lock Guarantee. For as long as you keep the subscription, the price will 
remain 50% discounted and will never increase in the future. This is a unique 
offer that MyHeritage is giving only to Legacy users and webinar viewers.

Click here to get MyHeritage’s Complete Plan at 50% off with Price-Lock 
Guarantee<http://legacynews.legacyfamilytree.com/campaigns/ws709w3hfoaae/track-url/re382o2mjt82d/f40e1bcf727c1014b5dd048db766efb3377c3724>

The two offers in this email are complementary and can be taken together, or 
separately. If you take both, you get all MyHeritage features, for the lowest 
prices ever offered. This is a unique opportunity, only for Legacy users.

Kind regards,

Geoff Rasmussen and the Legacy team

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 5:12 PM, CE WOOD 
<wood...@msn.com<mailto:wood...@msn.com>> wrote:

Hi Chap,


They are completely separate subscriptions.


>From Best Genealogy Software Online: MyHeritage vs Ancestry vs FindMyPast vs 
>GenealogyBank & More!, 5/23/2017 at: 
>https://www.exploringlifesmysteries.com/myheritage-vs-ancestry-vs-findmypast/


"Based in Israel with U.S. offices in Utah and California, MyHeritage is one of 
the largest international genealogy sites with more than 88 million registered 
users. MyHeritage comes in a close second for best family tree software. It has 
an intuitive platform, endless features including downloadable tree builder 
software. Their robust database of over 7 billion records is impressive but 
does not match that of Ancestry’s 16 billion records. While they do offer 
professional assistance, their customer support and help resources lack those 
on Ancestry. Otherwise, MyHeritage.com<http://MyHeritage.com> is a major player 
in genealogical research — and to top it off, they offer a free forever plan 
for those who just want the basics.


Pros:

  *   Free basic plan and affordable pricing for premium plans
  *   38 million family trees and 88 million registered users
  *   Some records date back to the pre-1000s
  *   Good collaboration tools to sync with other members
  *   You can build a Timeline or Timebook documenting your family roots
  *   Supports 40+ languages
  *   Free Android and iPhone mobile apps
  *   Customer service is prompt and knowledgeable
  *   Active on Facebook, Twitter and Google+

Cons:

  *   Can’t upgrade to Premium or Plus plans without signing up for at least a 
1-year subscription
  *   Phone support is available but difficult to find a contact number
  *   Smaller record base than Ancestry.com<http://Ancestry.com>"


>From NextAdvisor at http://www.nextadvisor.com/genealogy/myheritage_review.php

"MyHeritage offers three different plan options. The Basic plan is free and 
allows you to add up to 150 people to your tree, contains basic Smart Matching 
and a 500 MB storage size for adding photos and videos to your tree. The 
Premium plan costs $6.88/month (billed annually at $82.56), has a family tree 
size of up to 2,500 people, 1,000 MB of storage, enhanced Smart Matching, 
Timeline feature and priority customer support.

The Premium Plus plan has unlimited family tree size and unlimited storage for 
photos, enhanced Smart Matching, Timeline and Timebook features and priority 
customer support. This plan costs $10.95/month and is billed annually at the 
rate of $131.40. For the paid plans, you also have the option to change your 
subscription duration for a discount. For example, expanding your annual plan 
to a two-year plan will give you an extra 20% off and a five-year plan will 
give you an extra 30% off.

The Data subscription can be added to any of the previously mentioned plans — 
Basic, Premium or Premium Plus — and grants you unlimited access to more than 5 
billion historical records on MyHeritage. T

Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

[CE WOOD]

Note that the site at that link does NOT mention a Price-Lock Guarantee.


CE


From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of 
Joyce Herzog <joyce.her...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 2:07 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

I just got the newsletter and here is the Linl:

PLUS: Those who subscribe before Sunday night, September 10, will enjoy a 
Price-Lock Guarantee. For as long as you keep the subscription, the price will 
remain 50% discounted and will never increase in the future. This is a unique 
offer that MyHeritage is giving only to Legacy users and webinar viewers.

Click here to get MyHeritage’s Complete Plan at 50% off with Price-Lock 
Guarantee<http://legacynews.legacyfamilytree.com/campaigns/ws709w3hfoaae/track-url/re382o2mjt82d/f40e1bcf727c1014b5dd048db766efb3377c3724>

The two offers in this email are complementary and can be taken together, or 
separately. If you take both, you get all MyHeritage features, for the lowest 
prices ever offered. This is a unique opportunity, only for Legacy users.

Kind regards,

Geoff Rasmussen and the Legacy team

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Joyce Herzog 
<joyce.her...@gmail.com<mailto:joyce.her...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Like I said before, I signed up today.  I have had a tree on My Heritage for 
several years and they took my money .at<http://money.at> 125.00
Maybe Brian can post that URL again? I can't seem to find it!

Joyce

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 4:07 PM, <bward...@mc.net<mailto:bward...@mc.net>> wrote:
There is NO Heritage offer  that I  can find currently.

AJM



From: Leon Chapman<mailto:chap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 1:51 PM
To: Legacy User Group<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

CE:

I may have got a discount price when I bought my subscription about 3 years ago 
- not sure.
To make things a little more confusing, I looked at my Purchases and there are 
2 subscriptions:

1. Site Subscription
2. Data Subscription

I think the Data subscription includes both, but not sure?

Chap

PS
The newly advertised discount on membership is for 50% off for life -- I did 
not get that for sure.

Chap


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On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 10:34 AM, CE WOOD 
<wood...@msn.com<mailto:wood...@msn.com>> wrote:

Did you not get the special price they earlier offered to current Legacy  
users? They have offered that for several years now. It was always published in 
the Legacy News email.



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup 
<legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com<mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
 on behalf of Leon Chapman <chap...@gmail.com<mailto:chap...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 10:14 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

So, it would then appear that I need to cancel my existing membership (if that 
is possible?) and then buy a new membership at 1/2 price??

If this is the new way to rip off existing customers, then it is probably time 
for me to just drop MyHeritage  membership forever.

Chap

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On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 4:45 AM, Brian Kelly 
<exma...@gmail.com<mailto:exma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I clicked on the link in the Legacy News email. There is a qualifier that the 
offer is only for new MyHeritage subscribers only. Since you had a previous 
subscription you may not be eligible.

Brian Kelly

On 03-Sep-17 7:07 AM, David R.Gamble wrote:
If we have an expired premium MyHeritage membershipthat expired in may 2017, 
does the 50% offer apply to my renewal of the membership
David Gamble
drgkez...@primus.ca<mailto:drgkez...@primus.ca> 
<mailto:drgkez...@primus.ca<mailto:drgkez...@primus.ca>>



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Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

[CE WOOD]

Hi Chap,


They are completely separate subscriptions.


>From Best Genealogy Software Online: MyHeritage vs Ancestry vs FindMyPast vs 
>GenealogyBank & More!, 5/23/2017 at: 
>https://www.exploringlifesmysteries.com/myheritage-vs-ancestry-vs-findmypast/


"Based in Israel with U.S. offices in Utah and California, MyHeritage is one of 
the largest international genealogy sites with more than 88 million registered 
users. MyHeritage comes in a close second for best family tree software. It has 
an intuitive platform, endless features including downloadable tree builder 
software. Their robust database of over 7 billion records is impressive but 
does not match that of Ancestry’s 16 billion records. While they do offer 
professional assistance, their customer support and help resources lack those 
on Ancestry. Otherwise, MyHeritage.com is a major player in genealogical 
research — and to top it off, they offer a free forever plan for those who just 
want the basics.


Pros:

  *   Free basic plan and affordable pricing for premium plans
  *   38 million family trees and 88 million registered users
  *   Some records date back to the pre-1000s
  *   Good collaboration tools to sync with other members
  *   You can build a Timeline or Timebook documenting your family roots
  *   Supports 40+ languages
  *   Free Android and iPhone mobile apps
  *   Customer service is prompt and knowledgeable
  *   Active on Facebook, Twitter and Google+

Cons:

  *   Can’t upgrade to Premium or Plus plans without signing up for at least a 
1-year subscription
  *   Phone support is available but difficult to find a contact number
  *   Smaller record base than Ancestry.com"


>From NextAdvisor at http://www.nextadvisor.com/genealogy/myheritage_review.php

"MyHeritage offers three different plan options. The Basic plan is free and 
allows you to add up to 150 people to your tree, contains basic Smart Matching 
and a 500 MB storage size for adding photos and videos to your tree. The 
Premium plan costs $6.88/month (billed annually at $82.56), has a family tree 
size of up to 2,500 people, 1,000 MB of storage, enhanced Smart Matching, 
Timeline feature and priority customer support.

The Premium Plus plan has unlimited family tree size and unlimited storage for 
photos, enhanced Smart Matching, Timeline and Timebook features and priority 
customer support. This plan costs $10.95/month and is billed annually at the 
rate of $131.40. For the paid plans, you also have the option to change your 
subscription duration for a discount. For example, expanding your annual plan 
to a two-year plan will give you an extra 20% off and a five-year plan will 
give you an extra 30% off.

The Data subscription can be added to any of the previously mentioned plans — 
Basic, Premium or Premium Plus — and grants you unlimited access to more than 5 
billion historical records on MyHeritage. These records include Census, 
military, immigration and legal records, as well as family trees, maps, 
newspapers, yearbooks and directories. The cost for this subscription is 
$9.95/month, and it is also billed annually, like the other paid plans, at the 
cost of $119.40."




This link explains differences:  
http://helpcenter.myheritage.com/Subscriptions-Payments/Site-subscriptions/922939331/What-s-the-difference-between-a-family-site-subscription-and-a-data-subscription.htm



They have similar and identical offers throughout the year. (Genealogy Blog, 
Family History Daily, Legacy News, et alia)



CE


From: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> on behalf of 
Leon Chapman <chap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 11:51 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

CE:

I may have got a discount price when I bought my subscription about 3 years ago 
- not sure.
To make things a little more confusing, I looked at my Purchases and there are 
2 subscriptions:

1. Site Subscription
2. Data Subscription

I think the Data subscription includes both, but not sure?

Chap

PS
The newly advertised discount on membership is for 50% off for life -- I did 
not get that for sure.

Chap


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chap...@gmail.com<mailto:chap...@gmail.com>
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On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 10:34 AM, CE WOOD 
<wood...@msn.com<mailto:wood...@msn.com>> wrote:

Did you not get the special price they earlier offered to current Legacy  
users? They have offered that for several years now. It was always published in 
the Legacy News email.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup 
<legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com<mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>>
 on behalf of Leon Chapman <chap...@gmail.com<mailto:chap...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 10:14 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

So, it would then appe

Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

[CE WOOD]

Did you not get the special price they earlier offered to current Legacy  
users? They have offered that for several years now. It was always published in 
the Legacy News email.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Leon Chapman 
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 10:14 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage 50% off offer question

So, it would then appear that I need to cancel my existing membership (if that 
is possible?) and then buy a new membership at 1/2 price??

If this is the new way to rip off existing customers, then it is probably time 
for me to just drop MyHeritage  membership forever.

Chap

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On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 4:45 AM, Brian Kelly 
> wrote:
I clicked on the link in the Legacy News email. There is a qualifier that the 
offer is only for new MyHeritage subscribers only. Since you had a previous 
subscription you may not be eligible.

Brian Kelly

On 03-Sep-17 7:07 AM, David R.Gamble wrote:
If we have an expired premium MyHeritage membershipthat expired in may 2017, 
does the 50% offer apply to my renewal of the membership
David Gamble
drgkez...@primus.ca 
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List maps

[CE WOOD]

And, NEVER trust just Google or Bing maps. Entering a latitude and longitude 
will not necessarily return the exact location. That is the main reason many of 
the cemeteries on FindAGrave are wrong - someone trusted what Google or Bing 
returned without looking at the map, and pinpointing the churchyard!


CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Ian Thomas 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:27 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List maps


Bummer.

It would be useful if a better implementation was also substituted - consistent 
with the way that both Bing Maps and Google Maps return the LatLong to the user 
on their maps (which are different, as you would know).

In my opinion, the current method in Legacy for manually inputting a location 
is a nonsense. And if the nlocation name inpout returns a not-found, I always 
end up somewhere off the coast of the USA.

I saw a post from someone on this list, in the last week or so, who had 3 
browser windows open to effectively do accurate and reproducible locations to 
plug into Legacy FT.



Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia



From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2017 5:44 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List maps



No, it's still being worked on. It probably won't be in the next update as 
there's a new beta to test some FamilySearch stuff and that is likely to go to 
public release before the mapping is sorted.

Cathy

Ian Thomas wrote:


Any word on when this will be fixed? I see that .189 is still the
latest version/build of Legacy.

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List maps

[CE WOOD]

I assume Legacy cares enough about the many users with earlier versions of 
LegacyFamilyTree so that your fix will return that invaluable tool to them!



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Cathy Pinner 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:44 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List maps

No, it's still being worked on. It probably won't be in the next update as 
there's a new beta to test some FamilySearch stuff and that is likely to go to 
public release before the mapping is sorted.

Cathy

Ian Thomas wrote:

Any word on when this will be fixed? I see that .189 is still the
latest version/build of Legacy.

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
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