Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-03 Thread Jonathan Harley
On 02/02/11 18:58, Rob Myers wrote: On 02/02/2011 06:47 PM, Jonathan Harley wrote: I think we may have differing interpretations of the intent of the license. Mine is that the license is supposed to allow people to use the map in a variety of ways, online and in print, so long as any new data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Jonathan Harley wrote: Making it impossible to make works where not all of the elements are free does nothing to protect the freedom of individuals to use OSM. That's as may be, but to restate the point made by Frederik, you can't simply wish away what the licence _actually_ _says_, simply

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-03 Thread Jonathan Harley
On 03/02/11 04:21, Anthony wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Harleyj...@spiffymap.net wrote: On 02/02/11 18:00, Anthony wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Jonathan Harleyj...@spiffymap.net wrote: On 02/02/11 17:05, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Jonathan Harley wrote:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-03 Thread Jonathan Harley
On 03/02/11 10:18, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Jonathan Harley wrote: Making it impossible to make works where not all of the elements are free does nothing to protect the freedom of individuals to use OSM. That's as may be, but to restate the point made by Frederik, you can't simply wish away

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-03 Thread Rob Myers
On 02/03/2011 10:13 AM, Jonathan Harley wrote: In other words, yes, we have a different view of the intent. BY-SA is not a permissive or gift economy licence, it is a copyleft licence. Its intent is precisely to ensure that the freedom to use the work is inalienable. Making it impossible

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-03 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net wrote: On 03/02/11 04:21, Anthony wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Harleyj...@spiffymap.net  wrote: I think we may have differing interpretations of the intent of the license. Mine is that the license is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-03 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net wrote: On 03/02/11 10:18, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Jonathan Harley wrote: Making it impossible to make works where not all of the elements are free does nothing to protect the freedom of individuals to use OSM. That's as

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-03 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net wrote: I've always understood that the intent of the ODbL was not to change the spirit of OSM licensing, just to clarify it. Whose intent are we talking about,